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Ms. Meander
06-15-2011, 10:22 AM
They don't make 'em like they used to! What are some of your favorites?
fisticuffs - combat with the fists
* The participants could not resolve their differences and the debate ended in fisticuffs.
S2PDllPoWyw
(old fashioned – [noun] a cocktail made with whiskey, bitters, water, and sugar, and garnished with citrus-fruit slices and a cherry.)
Sparkle
06-15-2011, 10:42 AM
"Patch me through"
:D :D :D
gotoseagrl
06-15-2011, 10:53 AM
Unbeknownst
Mr.Nobody
06-15-2011, 11:01 AM
courting...
Hollylane
06-15-2011, 11:02 AM
From my recent(last night) brush with Andy Griffith:
Sheriff Andy Taylor:
"I don't know why I am always gettin' my britches caught on my own pitchfork!"
Ms. Meander
06-15-2011, 11:40 AM
caddywhompus - crooked, broken, bent, sideways, damaged
* I sat on my glasses and now they are all caddywhompus.
Hollylane
06-15-2011, 11:42 AM
A true statement about my Hayden, from his mother, who was full of these:
"You move so slow, dead lice wouldn't fall of you!"
Deborah
06-15-2011, 11:56 AM
my mother's favorite to just about anything my sister would do; "you're slower than molasses in January" :rolleyes:
LaneyDoll
06-15-2011, 12:05 PM
Oooo fun! While looking for the correct spelling and the definition of one word I found another!
* Euphonious-Pleasant sounding, especially a pleasant sounding word.
From the ancient Greek word euphonos, meaning "sweet-voiced":
eu-, good + phone, sound.
* Crepuscular-Of or like twilight; dim.
Ms. Meander
06-15-2011, 12:05 PM
Trousers
*as in, pants
OR (better yet):
the phrase, "All talk and no trousers" - Blustering and boastful, showing off without having the qualities to justify it.
(I must credit Sparkle with bringing this use of trousers into my daily lexicon)
Hollylane
06-15-2011, 12:15 PM
That's better then hip pockets!
MsTinkerbelly
06-15-2011, 04:35 PM
Twit.
My Mother must have called me that a million times!
lillith
06-15-2011, 04:51 PM
"Trip the light fantastic" means to dance really well...
twitterpated
1)to be completely enamored with someone/something.
2) the flighty exciting feeling you get when you think about/see the object of your affection.
3) romantically excited (i.e.: aroused)
4) the ever increasing acceleration of heartbeat and body temperature as a result of being engulfed amidst the exhilaration and joy of being/having a romantic entity in someone's life.
When he smiled at her, the rush of warm, fuzzy, excited sensations that filled her made her realize she was completely twitterpated with this man.
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press = closet
redd out = clean up
redd up = clear the table
smearcase = cottage cheese
uh, unless nobody else ever heard those.....
He was all over that "like white on rice."
I don't know where the hell that came from, but I run into it once in a while here in Maine.
Julien
06-15-2011, 05:19 PM
"comeuppance" as in what goes around comes around, hey is that a twofer (or more)? hmmm....
Corkey
06-15-2011, 05:32 PM
Ya' betcha bippy
I have no clue what a bippy is.
Mr.Nobody
06-15-2011, 05:34 PM
In like Flynn
wolfbittenpoet
06-15-2011, 05:37 PM
Faster then a herd of turtles or Off like a herd of turtles.
Gone done it.
Corkey
06-15-2011, 05:39 PM
For the love of Pete........... not Chancies Pete
Mr.Nobody
06-15-2011, 05:41 PM
Please...and thank you
Mr.Nobody
06-15-2011, 05:42 PM
The best thing since sliced bread....(what was the best thing before sliced bread?)
Corkey
06-15-2011, 05:44 PM
That was the bees knees:blink:
lillith
06-15-2011, 05:53 PM
Golly Gee Willikers that's neat!
femmedyke
06-15-2011, 06:17 PM
from my other mama, just the other day... "Amanda are you still 'pining'?"
A friend of mine asked me the other day if I was "settin' my cap" for someone....
Setting your cap is to fall in lurve and start flirting with them so they know you're into them. :sunglass:
Hollylane
06-15-2011, 06:37 PM
As Grandpa Charlie used to say:
"Oh Godfrey!"
Glenn
06-15-2011, 06:40 PM
My parents had me later in life and were older than the average,so I use to hear these old slang words regularly in the house:
Take a powder-Leave
Beat it. Leave
He's a good egg.
Bohunk- A derogatory name for an Eastern Europeon immigrant
Bootlegger-Dealer in illegal liquor
She was a tough old bird.
Knocked up.-To make pregnant
He wants to make her.- To make love/sex.
Dang my onery hide.
Mooch
Sap-Fool
Take a snort.-A drink
Up the road a piece
Floozy-Promiscuous woman
High brow- Geek
Blue nose-Snob
Ms. Meander
06-15-2011, 06:52 PM
The best thing since sliced bread....(what was the best thing before sliced bread?)
It must have been The Wheel. Before that? Fire.
At least that is my take.
DoReMiFemme
06-15-2011, 06:58 PM
"Going steady."
D'awww.
Ms. Meander
06-15-2011, 07:02 PM
Caliginous [kuh-lij-uh-nuhs] - misty; dim; dark
*The long abandoned house had a caliginous aura.
I first heard this word as a child in the film The Wizard of Oz when the wizard refers to the Tin Man as a "clinking, clanking, clattering collection of caliginous junk". I asked my mom what it meant and she told me to look it up (apparently she did not know either). I remember deciding that it didn't really fit in that sentence and was only put there for the alliteration. That has always bothered me.
DapperButch
06-15-2011, 07:03 PM
"Lady friend"
term used by:
1) people who are in their 80's
2) betenoire :|
DapperButch
06-15-2011, 07:13 PM
"It's time to blow this pop stand".
My mother's way of saying she is ready to leave a location.
caddywhompus - crooked, broken, bent, sideways, damaged
* I sat on my glasses and now they are all caddywhompus.
haha yes... and the ever (no longer) popular kittywampus
Mister Bent
06-15-2011, 07:29 PM
What in the Sam Hill?!
Sam Hill is an American English slang phrase, a euphemism or minced oath for "the devil" or "hell" personified (as in, "What in the Sam Hill is that?"). Etymologist Michael Quinion and others date the expression back to the late 1830s
(Wikipedia)
Criminy!
UofMfan
06-15-2011, 07:35 PM
Oopsy-daisy
Mister Bent
06-15-2011, 07:37 PM
Cretin
(from the French)
Chancie
06-15-2011, 07:48 PM
And don't take any wooden nickels.
There is no canoodling in class.
Oh, for Pete's sake. <-- where Pete got her nickname
I use:
at sixes and sevens
scootebaby
06-15-2011, 07:57 PM
goin trading--as in going to the grocery store
by cracky
knee high to a grasshopper
Corkey
06-15-2011, 08:05 PM
Hop to it! :| Iz not wabbit.
scootebaby
06-15-2011, 08:06 PM
put on your Sunday best
Corkey
06-15-2011, 08:20 PM
For cotten picken sake, and the ever just as odd crimeny
moxie
06-15-2011, 08:22 PM
I get told I say this kind of stuff all the time but I can't think of anything except:
swell
shush!
and saying things by their actual name instead of brand name (i.e. bandage instead of Band-Aid, tissue instead of Kleenex, soda instead of Coke)
scootebaby
06-15-2011, 08:41 PM
dont get your knickers in a twist
n'ary you mind
dagnabit
aint that a kick in the pants
Mr.Nobody
06-15-2011, 08:52 PM
as my pops used to say...Imma knock you into next Tuesday
again as my pops used to say...if you are going to be a garbage man, be the best damn garbage man there ever was!
Ms. Meander
06-15-2011, 09:00 PM
What in the Sam Hill?!
Sam Hill is an American English slang phrase, a euphemism or minced oath for "the devil" or "hell" personified (as in, "What in the Sam Hill is that?"). Etymologist Michael Quinion and others date the expression back to the late 1830s
(Wikipedia)
Criminy!
My grandmother always said "Crominy!" (usually followed by someone's name). Close, but distinctly different.
Andrea
06-15-2011, 09:02 PM
One of my favorite words - abreast
As in they were walking two abreast.
Andrea
lillith
06-15-2011, 09:04 PM
My mom's favorite: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on!
kannon
06-15-2011, 09:15 PM
studmuffin
urban dictionary: A rather attractive human of the male (in this case butch, trans, FTM, etc) variety. Can be described as being 'good enough to eat'.
mmmm.... I can smell freshly baked studmuffin.
I say "Swell" a lot.....it's a 50's word.
My Granny Sweeten used to say "directly" (pronounced d'reckly): We're goin' to the store d'reckly. (Soon)
"Sunday-go-to-meetin' clothes"
"Church house"
Corkey
06-15-2011, 10:10 PM
My grandma used to always say "go wash your teeth". I thought she was kidding....
Ms. Meander
06-15-2011, 10:37 PM
I have been truly enjoying all of your posts! Keep 'em coming!
I am now off for one last gander at the moon before I hit the hay.
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JakeTulane
06-15-2011, 10:49 PM
Haberdashery.
rainintothesea
06-15-2011, 10:56 PM
You're talking on a dead phone. (You're wasting your breath.)
Mosey.
Keen.
Nifty.
Snazzy.
Spiffy.
I'm sure there are more, I'll add 'em as I think of them.
It must have been The Wheel. Before that? Fire.
At least that is my take.
But did Fire come before or after Dirt? My grandfather was "older than dirt".
I use:
at sixes and sevens
That gives me an Evita flashback, which is weird because those are usually thread hijacks rather than on topical...
"All you will see is a girl you once knew,
allthough she's dressed up to the nines,
at sixes and sevens with you..."
"dressed up to the nines" being all dressed fancy like.
Ms. Meander
06-16-2011, 07:04 AM
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Ms. Meander
06-16-2011, 07:32 AM
bad hat - someone who deliberately stirs up trouble
*I won't give an example lest I get myself in trouble, and come off like a bad hat.*
I also say:
'good egg'
and use the expression:
'I love you more than salt' (which is from an old fable/folk tale)
Queerasfck
06-16-2011, 07:54 AM
"Follow that car!!!"
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dzQzKheYdDM/S_qxRi22ZCI/AAAAAAAAAe4/NtoRAWvXx94/s1600/KeystoneCops-1.jpg
JakeTulane
06-16-2011, 08:01 AM
As My late maternal grandmother made famous as a saying to My later maternal grandfather..
"Go piss up a rope"
Queerasfck
06-16-2011, 08:04 AM
Good night Nurse!
The_Lady_Snow
06-16-2011, 08:05 AM
Don't be such a Ninkumpoop!!!(sp?)
Andrea
06-16-2011, 08:27 AM
My honey teases me that I am showing my age by calling him a Silly Goose!
Andrea
The_Lady_Snow
06-16-2011, 08:34 AM
What a maroon!!!!
spry
chipper
whatever blows your skirt up Madge
hitch in the get a long
weatherboi
06-16-2011, 08:45 AM
Friend of Dorothy
scootebaby
06-16-2011, 08:57 AM
golly gee
thats baloney
none of ur beeswax
he got the bums rush
dont know from nothin
The_Lady_Snow
06-16-2011, 09:02 AM
An apple a day, keeps the doctor away.
Sparkle
06-16-2011, 10:19 AM
"All Talk, No Trousers" remains a favourite, always accompanied by an eyeroll.
"Hello Pot, this is Kettle calling"
"Pardon my French" - when caught cursing, particularly in front of children.
"The Bee's Knees AND the Cat's Pajamas" - really top of the top, the best thing ever
"Full of Beans" - to mean full of energy or a nice way to say 'your child is manic and out of control'
"It's all gone pear shaped" - all wrong, not as expected, disappointing
"Ass over Tea-kettle" - to describe a particularly fantastic fall
Whinge - to whine
Suss/Sussed - to figure out, understand
Strop/Stroppy - to throw a fit or tantrum, to sulk
Twee - to be dainty, quaint
Gallivanting - out on the town, running around
weatherboi
06-16-2011, 11:06 AM
dizzy with a Dame!!!
very much in love:jester:
The_Lady_Snow
06-16-2011, 11:14 AM
That boy has me on cloud nine!!
:sparklyheart:
lillith
06-16-2011, 12:29 PM
Honeychild....please!
weatherboi
06-16-2011, 12:46 PM
What's your story, morning glory?
My Aunts Ruby and Lois used to say "Law, law!" because it was as close as they could get without taking the Lord's name in vain.....
~Lawsy mercy!
~Land sakes alive!
:giggle:
AtLast
06-16-2011, 02:11 PM
From my Grandmother born in the 1880's in Italy-
"sacremente la bastia!"
"inchastra!"
"miseria"
My Mom (1917-1998)-
"Jesus, Mary & Joseph!"
"tall drink of water"
"everyone's shit stinks"
"royal pain in the ass"
... last but not least... "stupid is what stupid does"- When I saw "Forest Gump", I couldn't believe someone else's mother said that!
Yeah- not exactly from a refined background...
Daktari
06-16-2011, 02:21 PM
Oh my giddy aunt!
Jeepers!
Twit!
Ms. Meander
06-16-2011, 05:10 PM
Ya' betcha bippy
I have no clue what a bippy is.
bippy - an unspecified part of the anatomy (usually used in the phrase You bet your ( sweet ) bippy ).
"Straighten up!"
:| My Dad said this to me a lot!
He also said, in the same tone, "Here now!"
From an older friend of mine...."Hotter than 9 hells!" (which it is right now)
Ms. Meander
06-16-2011, 05:28 PM
Reading your posts is great fun! I use some of these words and phrases regularly. I've learned some others here that I intend to incorporate. Today, I caught myself saying that I am "keen on" something.
One more:
Trollop - (noun)
1. an immoral or promiscuous woman, especially a prostitute.
2. an untidy or slovenly woman; slattern.
*That Ms. Meander is a trollop but we love her anyway.
(Ms. Meander is not actually a prostitute)
Ms. Meander
06-16-2011, 09:43 PM
It's been a long, trying day and I feel "rode hard and put away wet".
:|:|:|:|:|:|
Hold Your Horses!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hold_your_horses
(the things you are making me remember, MsMeander...not sure if I am liking this game! ;) )
Corkey
06-16-2011, 11:39 PM
When the cows come home.
I always wanted to ask where they'd been...
The_Lady_Snow
06-17-2011, 12:29 AM
Heavens to Mergatroyd!
Heavens to Mergatroyd!
LMFAO... a fav! Just the name Mergatroid... (if you feel offended Mergatriod, just call me... if not... well.. pls call me... haha)
Jamie
Btw, just to give myself up to the same love I give, Buela... my daddys nickname for me as a sprout... yes, always open for ribbing
:)
T4Texas
06-17-2011, 04:35 AM
One of my favorites, Pie Eyed, meaning to be drunk.
lop-joggered
WVa/OH border; possibly wider spread
The_Lady_Snow
06-17-2011, 06:53 AM
Looks like Met's got herself into quite a pickle!
Ms. Meander
06-17-2011, 07:10 AM
Heavens to Mergatroyd!
Love it! Wasn't there a cartoon character who used to say that? I want to say it was Huckleberry Hound but I'm not sure...
Ms. Meander
06-17-2011, 07:12 AM
When the cows come home.
I always wanted to ask where they'd been...
They were down yonder, teaching the pigs to fly
Ms. Meander
06-17-2011, 07:13 AM
lop-joggered
WVa/OH border; possibly wider spread
What does it mean?
femmiredhead61
06-17-2011, 09:02 AM
My mothers was "Slower than frozen molasses going up hill" lol
decorum
it's one of my favorite words, more even so, it's one of my favorite states of being....
lad
case of the nerves
touched:twitch:
wet your whistle:koolaid:
hitting the sauce
theoddz
06-17-2011, 10:02 AM
I've always heard these and use them today, myself:
"Thank G-d and Sonny Jesus".....
and....
"Jesus have pity".
:)
~Theo~ :bouquet:
Novelafemme
06-17-2011, 10:12 AM
my dad always said (and probably still does say) "JUDAS PRIEST" instead of more traditional curse words. :confused:
Sparkle
06-17-2011, 10:37 AM
Love it! Wasn't there a cartoon character who used to say that? I want to say it was Huckleberry Hound but I'm not sure...
It was Snagglepuss. the pink cat.
girl_dee
06-17-2011, 11:25 AM
I've always heard these and use them today, myself:
"Thank G-d and Sonny Jesus".....
and....
"Jesus have pity".
:)
~Theo~ :bouquet:
and in my house it was
"Jesus, Joseph and Mary!!!"
:|
What does it mean?
catty-whompus
haha!
panhandler
(I know what it means, but where the heck did it come from?)
Tommi
06-17-2011, 11:41 AM
Go redd up yuur room.
Hey, scooch your hiney over and lemee sit dahn
Divvy up the candy so yinz all can have some.
Awlright yinz kids better be be-haven yourselves down there!
http://www.pittsburghese.com/glossary.ep.html?type=verbs
flanapple
all right, so i made that one up
Go redd up yuur room.
Hey, scooch your hiney over and lemee sit dahn
Divvy up the candy so yinz all can have some.
Awlright yinz kids better be be-haven yourselves down there!
http://www.pittsburghese.com/glossary.ep.html?type=verbs
This is the Upper Midlands dialect. It extends across PA, OH, upper KY and WVa. I grew up with all these same sayings.
Ever hear "redd up the press"?
gotoseagrl
06-17-2011, 01:06 PM
betwixt - in the space which separates
Tommi
06-17-2011, 02:44 PM
This is the Upper Midlands dialect. It extends across PA, OH, upper KY and WVa. I grew up with all these same sayings.
Ever hear "redd up the press"?
Nope, but growing up in the west, Pa corner , my Gramma used to tell me to go redd up my room as she pressed my clothes.
Djeet? No . Dju?
See ya later alligator..After while crocodile
cinderella
06-17-2011, 05:39 PM
Beholding, reckon, 'your servant', madam, sir, begging your pardon, pardon me, etc., etc. Unfortunately all these words/expressions are falling out of favor - now there's another expression, little used.
Hollylane
06-17-2011, 08:56 PM
If I had my druthers....
This is one my mother and I use often, but I had a customer use it today too!
Ms. Meander
06-17-2011, 10:51 PM
It was Snagglepuss. the pink cat.
Ah - but of course!
Ms. Meander
06-17-2011, 10:56 PM
flanapple
all right, so i made that one up
I was just going to post, "Are you making these up?!", when I saw...
Feel free to make up your own, but at least give us a definition!
Ms. Meander
06-17-2011, 11:01 PM
pennywise and pound foolish - making bad decisions based on short term thinking
Mister Bent
06-17-2011, 11:02 PM
Can't believe this one hasn't come up:
Best thing since sliced bread.
or
Cuter than a bug’s ear.
DamselFly
06-17-2011, 11:21 PM
horsefeathers!
Tcountry
06-18-2011, 03:26 AM
Keep ur britches on
Holy buckets
Oh my stars
Don't get ur panties in a bunch
Smack my ass & call me Charlie
Butter my buns & call me a biscuit
Grandpa says when u sleep past 8am "people die in bed, ya know"
Peek & plumb town (town so small, if u peek round the corner...ur plumb out of town)
Sweating like a whore in church
Take a load off (have a seat)
Gettin married was the old "ball & chain"
Shotgun wedding...(just to make sure the groom wasn't gonna run away)
That is ALL I can think of right now....still use most of them occasionally
Andrea
06-18-2011, 05:05 AM
I happened to be sitting with someone who was watching a fishing show once. The fisherman was talking about some new product and said:
As handy as a pocket on a shirt.
I still chuckle over that.
Andrea
Ms. Meander
06-18-2011, 06:51 AM
tight scratch - difficult fight
* It was a tight scratch, yet we emerged victorious.
DoReMiFemme
06-18-2011, 07:59 AM
Calling soda "soda pop" or "pop."
http://popvssoda.com:2998/
And that's all she wrote!
That's interesting because it has to be delivered exactly that way. You can't say, "I agree but that is all she wrote." It loses its idiomatic meaning (for most speakers) in that context and reverts to the literal: "and she didn't write down anything more."
T4Texas
06-18-2011, 09:02 AM
Something my dad would say to me when he got aggravated with me:
Why don't you use your head for something besides a hat rack?
TickledPink
06-18-2011, 09:12 AM
Asking someone how they are doing and they reply "fair to midland" and actually finding out it is "fair to midling."
Gemme
06-18-2011, 09:28 AM
I was just going to post, "Are you making these up?!", when I saw...
Feel free to make up your own, but at least give us a definition!
Flanapple sounds like a mighty tasty treat, actually.
Can't believe this one hasn't come up:
Best thing since sliced bread.
or
Cuter than a bug’s ear.
No need for disbelief; sliced bread *was* mentioned a ways back. :)
Let's see....
shit eatin' grin
ten ways to Tuesday
don't know him from Adam
apple of my eye
throwing the baby out with the bathwater
baker's dozen
did you get out on the wrong side of the bed today
that takes the biscuit aka that takes the cake
for the birds
throw me a bone
blood is thicker than water
giving someone the bum's rush
bury the hatchet
calling a spade a spade
nitty-gritty
That's all I've got for now.
"Six of one, half-dozen of the other"
I think I like the explanation the best. :blink:
"Six of one, half-dozen of the other" says that two things which people refer to differently are actually the same thing. A "dozen" is a counting word that represents twelve (12) of some particular item, so a "half-dozen" is equal to six (6) of that item, and saying "six of one" is equal to saying "a half-dozen of the other." The "one" and the "other" refer to the two things which you are saying are not so different. Example: "I say she's a stewardess. She says she's a flight attendant. It's six of one, a half-dozen of the other." Although something has been said in two different ways, they ultimately mean the same thing.
DapperButch
06-18-2011, 09:52 AM
Flanapple sounds like a mighty tasty treat, actually.
No need for disbelief; sliced bread *was* mentioned a ways back. :)
Let's see....
shit eatin' grin
ten ways to Tuesday
don't know him from Adam
apple of my eye
throwing the baby out with the bathwater
baker's dozen
did you get out on the wrong side of the bed today
that takes the biscuit aka that takes the cake
for the birds
throw me a bone
blood is thicker than water
giving someone the bum's rush
bury the hatchet
calling a spade a spade
nitty-gritty
That's all I've got for now.
Damn you're good. I must know...did you come up with these yourself, or did you find this on google or something?
Not that you couldn't come up with them yourself, it is just a lot to come up with and I want to know just how impressed I should be! :winky:
I was just going to post, "Are you making these up?!", when I saw...
Feel free to make up your own, but at least give us a definition!
Well... there is no definition, other than what it sounds like. I don't have a recipe or anything else.
Here's one I've been trying to insinuate into general culture, but it hasn't taken off yet. Joking! i don't really think one person can do that but here's what happens:
You know that politician "Huckabee." Well I thought his name sounded like an idiom and I made up a meaning and used it whenever I could. The meaning I made up for it is "to throw a fit." (Which, come to think of it is an idiom in its own right.)
Every chance Ive had, I've used it in that context: Man, my boss really hucked a bee over that one.
People either ask me what the heck I said, or they just look at me with suspicion. I haven't heard anyone who''s picked it up. Foo-ee.
cinderella
06-18-2011, 10:34 AM
...if 'druthers' was formed from a combination of 'I would rather'....hmmm, kinda makes sense that it would.
If I had my druthers....
This is one my mother and I use often, but I had a customer use it today too!
cinderella
06-18-2011, 10:43 AM
'alienist' - the 19th century term for a psychiatrist when the science was in it's infancy. I got that from a fictional novel I read about the first documented serial killer in NYC. The title of the book was 'The Alientist' by Caleb Carr - a great read.
little_ms_sunshyne
06-18-2011, 01:31 PM
Whenever my Abuelita (granny) says she is getting old and it will be her time soon, my Dad always jumps in and says:
"You know what they say about the bad weed...it never dies" lol
Now imagine this conversation in Spanish...yup..very animated.
When referring to "grooming" your special areas...Grandma's advice to me was (keep in mind I didnt ask for any advice),
"If there is no nest, there will be no bird" Ummmm..wonder if Grandma realizes I am not looking for any visits from birds lol
Sparkle
06-18-2011, 01:32 PM
I'm quite sure I made this one up...it is a cousin to "Frippery"
Friphoppery verb the action of being showy, frivolous, often bawdy, nonessential.
"After a cocktail (or two) the evening proceeded with much friphoppery."
little_ms_sunshyne
06-18-2011, 01:34 PM
Thought of another:
Cant get blood from a turnip
Ms. Meander
06-18-2011, 01:59 PM
"Six of one, half-dozen of the other" says that two things which people refer to differently are actually the same thing. A "dozen" is a counting word that represents twelve (12) of some particular item, so a "half-dozen" is equal to six (6) of that item, and saying "six of one" is equal to saying "a half-dozen of the other." The "one" and the "other" refer to the two things which you are saying are not so different. Example: "I say she's a stewardess. She says she's a flight attendant. It's six of one, a half-dozen of the other." Although something has been said in two different ways, they ultimately mean the same thing.
I'm so glad we've got that cleared up. :|
Ms. Meander
06-18-2011, 02:07 PM
I'm quite sure I made this one up...it is a cousin to "Frippery"
Friphoppery verb the action of being showy, frivolous, often bawdy, nonessential.
"After a cocktail (or two) the evening proceeded with much friphoppery."
Friphoppery! My very favorite Sparkle-word, and not coincidentally - my very favorite Sparkle-activity! :wine:
Ms. Meander
06-18-2011, 02:11 PM
<<<needs a lesson from Gemme on "multi-quoting"
Galahad
06-18-2011, 03:07 PM
"You'll have to lick the calf over again" my grandmothers saying. She meant redo something until it's perfect. Because cows will bathe their calf over and over, as if they missed something. I don't know if this was a common saying or just a family or local saying.
Chancie
06-18-2011, 03:25 PM
Thought of another:
Cant get blood from a turnip
Nor can you get blood from a stone.
I remember my grandmother saying in broken english
Always knock with your feet
Gemme
06-18-2011, 04:01 PM
Damn you're good. I must know...did you come up with these yourself, or did you find this on google or something?
Not that you couldn't come up with them yourself, it is just a lot to come up with and I want to know just how impressed I should be! :winky:
You should be VERRRRY impressed.
:blink:
Nope, all of that jumble was from my noggin. I've got more but it tends to come out when the situation warrants it.
Whenever my Abuelita (granny) says she is getting old and it will be her time soon, my Dad always jumps in and says:
"You know what they say about the bad weed...it never dies" lol
Now imagine this conversation in Spanish...yup..very animated.
When referring to "grooming" your special areas...Grandma's advice to me was (keep in mind I didnt ask for any advice),
"If there is no nest, there will be no bird" Ummmm..wonder if Grandma realizes I am not looking for any visits from birds lol
Weeeellllll.......in the old days, a female was referred to as a bird.
:cheesy:
:blink:
For Dapper's Google infactuation (I knew about the term but couldn't remember how it came to be):
bird - woman or girlfriend - now unfortunately a rather unflattering term, but it wasn't always so; until recent times 'bird' was always an endearing term for a girl, derived from the Anglo-Saxon 'brid' which meant 'baby animal', in other words a cute little thing. The origin also gave us the word 'bride'.
DamselFly
06-18-2011, 09:41 PM
i've heard this a before but had forgotten it until i came across it again while i was reading today:
HORSEFEATHERS!!!
damselfly
Gemme
06-18-2011, 11:33 PM
Are you daft?
I still refer to myself as a flibbertygibbet, though I've seen it spelled other ways too. I've called myself a fussbudget too.
Now, don't lollygag around.
My Gramps used to warn me against engaging in tomfoolery, but I think someone may have said that one already.
A couple more for the road:
...on a wing and a prayer
...lickety split
...snug as a bug in a rug
Tcountry
06-18-2011, 11:41 PM
whenever someone complained about getting old my grandpa(& now dad does too) said "its better than the alternative"
little_ms_sunshyne
06-18-2011, 11:45 PM
"Ambulance you got a chance...If its a hearse its got to be worse"
Not sure how old this one is...but I love it! lol
Venus007
06-18-2011, 11:47 PM
"Why isn't she just cuter than a bug's ear?"
Tcountry
06-19-2011, 12:09 AM
just heard tonight at work.....
-Raining like a cow pissin' on a flat rock
-bout as worthless as peein' in the ocean
CherryFemme
06-19-2011, 12:44 AM
When a was very young, I used to refer to myself as a "sexual invert" because that was what people in my rural town called me "like me" back then.
I used it about half a dozen times after I moved to San Francisco, but no one knew what the Sam Hill I was talking about, so I stopped.
Yes, Dorthy, I really am 63 in many, many ways.
*Cheers to my ex, Radcliff Hall*
~CF
Pretty is as pretty does.
cinderella
06-19-2011, 09:54 AM
"Yerba mala nunca muere."
Lol. I remember that one too - my mom used to say it about my father all the time. She wasn't too far from the truth - he died a few months ago at the age of 91!
Whenever my Abuelita (granny) says she is getting old and it will be her time soon, my Dad always jumps in and says:
"You know what they say about the bad weed...it never dies" lol
Now imagine this conversation in Spanish...yup..very animated.
When referring to "grooming" your special areas...Grandma's advice to me was (keep in mind I didnt ask for any advice),
"If there is no nest, there will be no bird" Ummmm..wonder if Grandma realizes I am not looking for any visits from birds lol
Gemme
06-19-2011, 12:53 PM
just heard tonight at work.....
-Raining like a cow pissin' on a flat rock
-bout as worthless as peein' in the ocean
This reminded me of:
as useless as teets on a bull
Hollylane
06-19-2011, 01:18 PM
I've been working my brain to the white meat!
Gemme
06-19-2011, 01:20 PM
I'm so hungry my stomach's gnawing on my backbone.
Elijah
06-19-2011, 02:15 PM
Some of My favorites:
Drat!
Ornery
and Shenanigans
Andrea
06-19-2011, 03:50 PM
It's just going to get a lick and a promise..... means I will clean lightly now and promise to do a better job soon.
Andrea
batty: She's been a bit batty since she got older.
tetched: He's a bit tetched in the head if you know what I mean.
three sheets to the wind: When they come outta that bar, they was three sheets to the wind.
to beat the band: She was a-singin' and a clappin' to beat the band.
lick o' sense: Billie Joe never had a lick o' sense. (Pass the biscuits please.)
Gentle Tiger
06-19-2011, 04:45 PM
They don't have a pot to pee in but they spent money on foolishness.
Stomach so full you could crack a flee on it.
Gemme
06-19-2011, 05:36 PM
'retch 'round as in I'm gonna 'retcha 'round and smack the crap outta you if'n you don't mind.
I might have heard that once or twice.
:blink:
jenny
06-19-2011, 05:38 PM
I haven't read all the posts, so my apologies if this one has been posted...
Keeping company.
I love that term for a courting couple...
Ms. Meander
06-19-2011, 06:11 PM
I haven't read all the posts, so my apologies if this one has been posted...
Keeping company.
I love that term for a courting couple...
I don't believe we've seen that one yet, and I like it! Thanks!
Ms. Meander
06-19-2011, 06:19 PM
Today i had occasion to tell someone, "You bet your sweet bippy!". It feels good to say, you should try it.
cogitations- unpleasant thoughts
*I found it difficult to abide her company but I kept my cogitations to myself.
lillith
06-19-2011, 10:32 PM
Shut the door! You weren't born in no barn!
Tcountry
06-20-2011, 01:14 AM
I was born at night....but not last night.
Act ur age not ur shoe size.
Mind ur p's & q's
cinderella
06-20-2011, 10:15 AM
...on wee-weeing...this reminded me of:
"I have to pee so bad, my eyeballs are floating." lol
just heard tonight at work.....
-Raining like a cow pissin' on a flat rock
-bout as worthless as peein' in the ocean
cinderella
06-20-2011, 10:18 AM
Something said by one who is constantly committing faux pas...
"I just open my mouth to change feet."
SmoothButch
06-20-2011, 12:47 PM
"It's hotter then a witches tit"
"your up shits creek without a paddle"
"just about as useless as a tit on a cow"
"it's gone to Hell in a handbasket" ...
My good ole GrandMa, she always told it like it was
PinkieLee
06-20-2011, 01:03 PM
Pocketbook ~ purse or handbag
Underpants ~ underwear
"for shits & giggles" ~ doing something just because...
cinderella
06-20-2011, 07:03 PM
Um, a tit on a cow is VERY useful...did you mean 'bull' perhaps?
*snip*
"just about as useless as a tit on a cow"
Starbuck
06-20-2011, 07:46 PM
"Mash" as in "Mash that button for me"
Gemme
06-20-2011, 08:26 PM
...on wee-weeing...this reminded me of:
"I have to pee so bad, my eyeballs are floating." lol
I used to hear "I have to pee like a Russian racehorse" a lot.
Today, I got to say, "Lord love a duck!" and I liked it.
:cheesy:
DoReMiFemme
06-20-2011, 08:44 PM
I used this in passing conversation today:
Heavens to betsy!
cinderella
06-20-2011, 09:40 PM
Lol, Miss Gemme, never heard about the Russian racehorse, but I have about 'Lord love a duck' - wish I knew the history behind that one. :)
I used to hear "I have to pee like a Russian racehorse" a lot.
Today, I got to say, "Lord love a duck!" and I liked it.
:cheesy:
lillith
06-20-2011, 09:51 PM
I wear a brassiere under my blouse that I tuck into my slacks .
"It's hotter than a popcorn fart"
For reals, I've heard this one many times.
Ms. Meander
06-21-2011, 03:03 PM
"It's hotter than a popcorn fart"
For reals, I've heard this one many times.
um... :blink:
Ms. Meander
06-21-2011, 03:07 PM
Elbow relation - distant relation, like a cousin-in-law
gotoseagrl
06-21-2011, 03:57 PM
what the deuce?
Charming Texan
06-21-2011, 08:32 PM
Egads!
thick as thieves
shut the door and your mouth behind it - <3 Grandma
The_Lady_Snow
06-21-2011, 08:38 PM
When the hand held bug zapper comes out I know I'm going to be having:
"More fun than a fox in a Hen-house"
hpychick
06-21-2011, 08:42 PM
One of my favorites, that makes me cringe every time I use it (it's the first one). And I'm not even sure I can pull it off phonetically here, but I'll give 'er a go:
heyuh (as in *here*- to be used when calling someone or an animal *to* you.) The southerners will be the ones to get this first!
finer 'n frogs hair (answer when someone asks how you are doing)
fair ta middlin' (answer when someone asks how you are doing)
sowing yer randy oats (being cheeky or sassy in a sort of flirtatious way)
The_Lady_Snow
06-21-2011, 08:46 PM
Don't be such a fuddy duddy!
moxie
06-21-2011, 08:57 PM
People don't use enough Yiddish words anymore.
or maybe it's just where I am
Gemme
06-21-2011, 09:13 PM
"It's hotter then a witches tit"
I've heard it the other way...'it's colder than a witch's tit'.
Interesting!
Lol, Miss Gemme, never heard about the Russian racehorse, but I have about 'Lord love a duck' - wish I knew the history behind that one. :)
This is helpful. Not.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_origin_of_the_phrase_Lord_love_a_duck
Today was a day for "more nervous than a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs".
The_Lady_Snow
06-21-2011, 09:23 PM
Spiders give me the willies!
speaking of willies, tallywacker
The_Lady_Snow
06-21-2011, 09:28 PM
Don't let that money burn a hole in your pocket!
Gemme
06-21-2011, 10:43 PM
Spiders give me the willies!
But not the heebie jeebies?
lillith
06-21-2011, 10:48 PM
Don't let the door hit ya where the good lawd split ya!
I am only joshing...don't be a patsy.
Outlaw
06-23-2011, 05:10 PM
Behoove
Numbskull
Six of one, half-a-dozen of another
Iran-Contra
TV Guide
"like a broken record"
"three sheets to the wind"
"coming down the pike"
Ms. Meander
06-23-2011, 05:22 PM
vexed - irritated; annoyed
*I am truly vexed by her insistent denial, despite ample proof.
vittles
Ma fixed us up some vittles and we commenced a-eatin' 'em.
deb_U_taunt
06-23-2011, 06:39 PM
As easy as standing on your head stacking BBs. (dad)
Don't get your tail so tied up in knots. (mom)
Cold as a well digger's ass. (dad)
Pay ya Tuesday for a hamburger today. (uncle stole it from his favorite whimpy)
I am going to rip off your arms and legs and beat you to death with 'em. (grandpa)
I am going to knock off your block and shit down your neck. (grandma's version)
hpychick
06-23-2011, 07:15 PM
It's hotter'n two cats fuckin' in a wool sock :|
Gentle Tiger
06-23-2011, 07:18 PM
I will box your ears.
If you don't sit your happy self down somewhere.
.......you will be picking your teethe up off the floor
Ms. Meander
06-23-2011, 07:21 PM
As easy as standing on your head stacking BBs. (dad)
Don't get your tail so tied up in knots. (mom)
Cold as a well digger's ass. (dad)
Pay ya Tuesday for a hamburger today. (uncle stole it from his favorite whimpy)
I am going to rip off your arms and legs and beat you to death with 'em. (grandpa)
I am going to knock off your block and shit down your neck. (grandma's version)
Grandma and grandpa had a violent streak!
Outlaw
06-23-2011, 07:44 PM
Barf - as in vomit
Dis - as in reject
Federal Case - as in big deal
and one of my mother's favorite expressions was..."somewhere between there and here, you must have lost your ever-lovin mind, I suggest you go back the same way you came and see if you can find it"
What time is it? - Quarter After, Twenty After, Half Past, Twenty of, Quarter of, Noon and Midnight are terms that seem lost on a generation that finds telling time on analog clocks antiquated.
deb_U_taunt
06-24-2011, 03:48 AM
Grandma and grandpa had a violent streak!
And at 90 and 95, they throw empty threats. :)
deb_U_taunt
06-24-2011, 03:49 AM
If you lay with dogs, you get fleas. (dad)
Sparkle
06-24-2011, 05:37 AM
"Whatever's Fair is Fair, Kid" Grampa
when spoken in a resigned tone meant: "whatever your grandmother says - goes!"
when said after a few beers with his buddies at the KofC meant: "whatever you want!"
and when said in response to my tears or pouting, in a mollifying tone meant: "chin up, as soon as they're not looking we'll go get ice cream"
NJFemmie
06-24-2011, 06:24 AM
"What in tarnation?"
or ... "cuss it all to tarnation"
Deborah
06-24-2011, 10:00 AM
"I'm so hungry my stomach thinks my throats been cut"
"Why you're no bigger than a wart on a nats ass"
"Big as the side of a barn"
hmmm my family seemed to have been obsessed with the size of things....no wonder I have issues :|
deb_U_taunt
06-25-2011, 10:41 AM
my grandma is also 4'9" and we would tease her she would 1. have to catch us and 2. have to drag a ladder with her...lol
we were some wild lil 'hellions
Grandma and grandpa had a violent streak!
Gemme
06-25-2011, 12:54 PM
Cussing up a blue streak.
Fiddlesticks!
I'll be a monkey's uncle!
Imma pop you in the kisser!
Ms. Meander
06-29-2011, 06:10 PM
So beautifully executed, I thought it deserved a re-posting here. Thank you, Sparkle!
To a top-notch, class-A DollyBird (& my Darling Femme Friend)
I wish you a year of friphoppery, shenanigans, goings on & only the best of the hullabaloo ~ may it be full of frolic & shimmy & a cacophony of clinking crystal overflowing with bubbly.
May your brassieres be busting, your knickers untwisted, your pumps sky-high & your every ensem: La-Di-Da!
May there be more trousers - less talk!
Love & Louboutins & Luscious Libations,
Your Triumvirate of Trollop
weatherboi
06-29-2011, 06:44 PM
it needs a haircut!
Talking about a concept and giving it a new outlook.
Gemme
06-29-2011, 08:46 PM
Let's put a pin in it.
deb_U_taunt
06-29-2011, 08:58 PM
'Don't get your tit in a wringer'
(my mom did get her hair caught in it once)
UofMfan
06-30-2011, 07:26 AM
I am in a pickle.
Venus007
07-01-2011, 05:43 AM
Really old. . . Lest
It means "so that you might not"
I am quite fond of it because 1 word replaces 5 words, ahhh economy
another one . . .
social intercourse for conversation
fine fettle
high mettle
in their oats
fit as a fiddle and ready to play
Gemme
07-04-2011, 01:37 PM
I was thinking about phrases that were well known but don't really make sense and/or just aren't right earlier today.
For example, sweat like a pig makes absolutely no sense as pigs do not sweat. Also, someone said my boss eats like a bird, meaning that she picks at her food and/or doesn't eat a lot, but birds typically eat 2-3 times their body weight daily so that's not right. *I* eat like a bird.
:|
Gemme
07-07-2011, 09:41 PM
My panties were totally in a twist earlier today.
Gentle Tiger
07-07-2011, 10:36 PM
your eyes were bigger than your belly.
...smellin' himself
...too big for your britches
Dante
07-07-2011, 11:10 PM
two french fries short of a "happy meal"
Gentle Tiger
07-08-2011, 08:43 AM
knee high to a grasshopper.
"I've known that child since they were knee high to a grasshopper.
MissPriss
07-08-2011, 09:50 AM
That dog dont hunt!
Useless as tits on a bore hog.
and my favorite.....
Colder than a well diggers A beep
Dante
07-08-2011, 12:42 PM
as snug as a bug in a rug ...
Gentle Tiger
07-11-2011, 12:33 AM
smack dab in the middle
Holly.88
07-11-2011, 12:46 AM
Bend and pat: to bend your knees and pat your feet on the ground; to walk.
How am I gonna get there?
You better bend and pat!
Don't eat the dead ones!: a warning to not eat boiled crawfish that aren't curled up because any that have straight tails were dead before they were boiled.
Y'all enjoy, but remember, don't eat the dead ones!
Poke and grits: to poke your feet under the table and grit your teeth
Mom, what's for supper tonight?
Poke and grits!
Venus007
07-11-2011, 05:51 AM
23 skidoo meaning to leave advantageously or to be bum rushed out depending on how it was used
oh and probably (although I use the phrase) bum rush which means to be thrown out from around 1910 apparently the phrase received a revival in the 1980s and came to mean to be slammed into a fence, wall or other surface by someone taking a run at you
Oh and one more, shrive, it means to forgive sins or obtain forgiveness by confession
the past tense is used still today, shrove, as in shrove Tuesday for lent (aka Mardi Gras)
Dante
07-11-2011, 05:16 PM
It's not over til the fat lady sings ...
Holly.88
07-11-2011, 05:34 PM
Close! But no cigar.
Dante
07-11-2011, 06:03 PM
Going to kick you into next week ...
girl_dee
07-11-2011, 06:08 PM
Going to kick you into next week ...
and as my mom would say...
and beat you again on Thursday.
girl_dee
07-11-2011, 06:10 PM
cheapskate...
"tighter than a crab's ass"
I bet I have 427 million of these , thanks to my grandmother. Here's a few:
Live by the sword die by the sword.
Those who have will get.
Beggers can't be choosers.
It will all come home to roost.
If you want to dance you have to pay the fiddler.
If you'll do something once, you'll do it again.
Don't believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see.
Love me, love my dog.
I will post more another time.
Ms. Meander
07-12-2011, 10:04 AM
Dilatory - tardy, stalling
*I was prepared to leave a 5 o'clock but was delayed by my dilatory child.
Inspired by Mary Hooper.
Take your half out of the middle.
You're all shined up like a new penny.
That car is deer. (meaning the car is expensive)
Oh she thinks her shit is better than ice cream, I don't see anyone following her around with a dixie cup.
The hail fellow well met. (Meaning he thinks he's more important than he is)
Too dumb to come in out of the rain.
You pay the band, you pick the music.
Hard work never killed anybody yet.
You kids have everything coming and going, you don't know what it means to go without.
Like it or lump it.
Everyone has something to offer.
But for the grace of god, there go I.
Shirts going one way, pants going the other, you look like a bag tied in the middle.
(My fav. One) laughing leads to crying.
Dante
07-12-2011, 06:09 PM
Let's make like the wind and blow ...
Holly.88
07-12-2011, 06:20 PM
Ah shucks!
And yet I have more. Ha Am I the only one posting on this thread? Haha
If wishes were horses beggers would ride.
people in hell want ice water. Usually came after I said I wanted something she couldn't afford.
Give um an inch they will take a mile.
Watch your p's and q's.
You're gonna poke your eye out! Hahahaha
Show me your friends, and I'll tell you what you are.
Your opinion and 50 cents will buy me a cup of coffee
You don't know shit from shinola. Ha still haven't found any shinola.
Birds of a feather flock together.
You're so full of it your eyes are brown.
You could screw up a 1 car funeral procession.
A fool and his money soon part.
You're still wet behind the ears.
You're a day late and a dollar short.
Holly.88
07-13-2011, 01:45 PM
Let's ditch this popsicle stand.
Ms. Meander
07-13-2011, 02:51 PM
Chinwag -
–verb
1. to chat idly; gossip.
–noun
2. an idle chat; gossiping.
sharkchomp
07-13-2011, 03:12 PM
'tighter than dick's hat band'
this is my personal fav..... I'mina as in I'mina go to the store. People say it all the time but don't realize they say it.
~~~shark~~~~~~
Ms. Meander
07-13-2011, 03:23 PM
give your head a wobble - to ask someone to re-think what they have said
Soft*Silver
07-13-2011, 07:20 PM
If I said "Mom, I'm hungry!" Momma would say "go upstairs and eat a dead monkey..."
DoReMiFemme
07-13-2011, 07:33 PM
I'm not sure how particularly old-fashioned this is, but my grandma uses it and so do I:
passel - a large group of people or things; a pack.
I usually refer to the dogs in my home as a "passel of demons." Okay, there are only three of them but they sure feel like a larger pack when they all clamber around to say hi when I get home.
Gráinne
07-13-2011, 09:58 PM
Any sentence followed by "Bless her heart" (as in, "She's a little dim, bless her heart")
She doesn't have the sense God gave a billy goat
Mind your P's and Q's (oops, that's been said-oh well)
Don't be a flibberdegibbet
Don't read me the entire magillah (from mother)
All that and a bag of chips
The bee's knees
I wanna knock you into next week! (meaning a punch, or..something ;))
A bird in hand is worth two in the bush
Robbing Peter to pay Paul
Red in
the morning sailors warning, red at night sailors delight.
Fox smells his own hole first.
If the shoe fits wear it.
Don't get too big for your britches.
Monkey see monkey do.
Do I look like bank of america
Money doesn't grow on trees
either stay inside ,or outside this isn't grand central station
Were you born in a barn close the door
get on the stick
"hurry up and get started"
You better get on the stick with that cleanin', girl!
Dreams
07-14-2011, 02:57 PM
you can't unring a bell..
Two peas in a pod.
Feast or famine
Your hair looks like you combed it with a fire cracker.
Get your act together.
If you had 3 hands you'd choke to death (meaning you eat too fast)
You don't know whether to scratch your ass or wind your watch.
Get your priorities straight.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all.
Life is full of hard knocks get used to it.
Defend your convictions, it's who you are.
Honesty is the best policy.
If someone punches you, you punch them back twice as hard.
No use crying over spilt milk.
Nobody likes a tattle tale.
Gráinne
07-14-2011, 10:45 PM
And how could I forget:
Never a borrower nor a lender be
Beauty fades; dumb is forever
Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining (thanks Judge Judy for both of those)
Beauty is as beauty does
They that dance must pay the piper
Knee high by the Fourth of July
Lower than a pregnant ant
Little pitchers have big ears
Blind as a bat
Works like a dog
Sick as a horse
Used everything on that pig but the oink (thanks, Dad)
socialjustice_fsu
07-14-2011, 10:55 PM
My mother to me while I was in the backseat of her car (age 4, not 35): "Do you want me to stop this car and pop you?"
Me: "No."
Have not heard that in years....
jelli
07-14-2011, 11:01 PM
"Well, I swanny."
Yes I have more, bet you thought it wasn't possible.
Home again home again jigity jig.
Whether its cold or whether its hot, we'll have weather , whether or not.
Like beating your head against the wall.
Talking to you, is like talking to the wall.
Let's not, and say we did.
If you want to argue, go upstairs, if I'm not there in 5 min. Start without me. ( haha always worked to shut us up )
If I had an extra 20 dollars, I'd sit up all night long and stare at it.
Don't let that money burn a hole in your pocket.
There is truth to every lie.
There are 2 sides to every story.
msW8ing
07-18-2011, 11:36 AM
Can't dance and it's too wet to plow.
More skiddish than a long tail cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
More nervous than a wh*%e in church.
Why pay for the cow when you can get the milk for free.
A penny saved is a penny earned.
Two heads are better than one.
Do you wanna go pick a switch? (Umm yeah like we WANTED to)
Do you think I was born yesterday?
Told you I have a lot!
Hind sight is 20\20.
If it was a snake it would have bitten you.
Can't see the forest through the trees
Par for the course
Familiarity breeds contempt
Can't see for looking ( meaning you are trying to hard)
Can't win for losing
Close but no cigar
Give em enough rope they'll hang themselves.
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