*Menopause*

[jelli]

Menopause is not an illness, but a natural process in a woman's body. Symptoms like hot flashes, night sweats, vaginal dryness, mood swings, declining libido, lack of energy, and weight gain are just indicators of the changes caused by unbalanced hormone levels in a woman's body.

How has menopause effected your life? Taking any treatments? Tips?

[jelli]

Wow, that many. :)

[Gráinne]

I've been in perimenopause for awhile, without major symptoms :). I'm going to go as natural as possible unless I become a raging beast.

[Daktari]

Menopausal and mad as hell here!

I soddin' hate it.

I started with major symptoms last year after having a couple of years of menstrual changes.

Unfortunately said symptoms also coincided with giving up smoking so I was twice as loopy for a while there. :seeingstars:

I started having quite serious night sweats which necessitated me having to sleep on towels for a few months. Then the night sweats stopped and the hot flashes started and they came every 10-15mins throughout the day and night. At first I thought the sweats and flashes could be as a result of my body being unaccustomed to all the oxygen it was now getting after quitting smoking. However the flashes didn't stop and I hadn't bled for months so I went to see my doctor who confirmed that yes I was having menopausal symptoms and could only suggest hormone replacement. I had to explain that my Ma died of breast cancer as a direct result of taking HRT (many moons ago now) so I am reluctant to take the risk myself.

I did my research and and started taking soy isoflavones (plant estrogens) along with high strength fish oils 3 times a day. After a few days they started to work and the hot flashes started to decrease in frequency. As they're really quite expensive I tried decreasing the number of isoflavone pills but the hot flashes increased again. So, I've been taking these pills for a year now and they work ....on the whole.

Recently I went to see the practice gynae nurse who suggested taking a low dose of Clonidine (Dixarit). I've been taking these for a month now and they have really helped. I have barely had a hot flash for a month!! We've just increased the dose a little bit and I'm 'cooler' than I've been in a whole year.

What is really hard to cope with is I feel so much like a 'girl'. I've always been a more male identified genderqueer being so am finding it really rather alien to feel female and I hate it. Really, really hate it. Having months on end where I don't bleed is the only 'good' aspect.

Ok I'll stop whinging on....for now

[jelli]

I figured this topic wouldn't be for everyone publicly. Thank you to anyone that takes the courage and or time to post. for those that are reading... take care of yourselves.

My journey with female issues and menopause started at age 14 with endometriosis. By 16 they wanted me to have a hysterectomy, but that wasn't going to happen since I always wanted a big family. Over the next few years I dealt with fibroids everywhere and excessive bleeding and pain. During this time I would also have my children. By 25 I had my hysterectomy and like most, menopause ensued. It hasn't been a great situation. They did start the patch after surgery, but I had a major skin reaction.

I started having trouble with ICC and that brought about them finding I needed to have an oophorectomy. So at 35 they removed the last ovary, major scar tissue, and some repair of a prolapse.

My Dr. recently prescribed a "compounded for me" cream for estrogen and testosterone. I am turning 40 in less than 2 weeks and things are starting to become a bit more normal. Thankfully, I have had great support.

Something else though, I am not sure if related or not, but they also found I was Vitamin D deficient(I posted in the vitamin D thread), magnesium very low, and my body wouldn't process vitamin B normally, so I take the sublingual.

I've noticed several people I know(IRT) that are almost ashamed to talk about their journey. Some to the point they won't even go see a doctor. I feel sad about the last aspect.

[Apocalipstic]

Hi there! )

I had a hysterectomy in 2008, and though I have a lone ovary left it is riddled with endometriosis and my hormone levels are way lower than they were before.

I guess you would say I am in perimenopause. Not yet on any supplements.

I do take Vitamin D as I also have a deficiency and B12, which seems to help with moods.

Omega 3s help too.

I have really bad heat flashes and this heat wave right now ia mking it all pretty miserable.

[foxyshaman]

This is my Canadian :canadian: cold as (insert word of choice) favorite story. During this past winter I put on my long coat, and all the other necessities. It was -35C with a horrible wind chill. Nature with her, sense of humor (?) sent along a big ol hot flash. By the time I got to the gym I was sweating... seriously. All I could think was how stupid it was to be freezing and sweating buckets at the same time.

I run hotter now than I ever have. I am a furnace when I sleep. I am low in Magnesium and also take a B3 and B6... prevents murder, I'm all for that. I finally have no low iron issues... yeah me.

I have been exceptionally lucky I think. :byebye:

[jelli]

You Might Be Going Through Menopause IF...

If you frequently find your head in the freezer, you might be going through menopause.

If more than six times a day, you say "Now what was I doing? -looking for?-saying?, you might be going through menopause.

If your partner asks, "How are you, honey?" and you burst out crying and stay mad at him for the rest of the day, you might be going through menopause.

If you are yelling at your children to "keep it down" and they are reading, you might be going through menopause.

If you consider ramming that car that took your spot, you might be going through menopause.

If all of your clothes are suddenly a size too small, you might be going through menopause.

If the shock of the smaller size of your clothing sends you straight to the freezer and while you're there you grab some ice cream, you might be going through menopause.

If you stand at the refrigerator with the door open and someone else has to remind you of what you want, you might be going through menopause.

If your partner suddenly buys a new motorcycle for quick escapes a few times a day, you might be going through menopause.

If your children seem to be spending more time "out" with their friends, you might be going through menopause.

If your idea of torture is asking that little skinny girl in the cute blouse for the dressing room key, you might be going through menopause.

If you could swear she snickered as she let you in, you might be going through menopause.

If you are suddenly finding the need to shave places you've never shaved before (like your chin), you might be going through menopause.

If your life could be perfect if you didn't have to live with all of these irritating people or work with those jerks or go to church with those other people or share the road with those lousy drivers, you might be going through menopause.

If laughing at a joke reminds you of something else which reminds you of something sad and then you burst out crying while everyone else is still laughing, you might be going through menopause.

If you wish that you could sleep on ice, you might be going through menopause-or global warming.

If you are printing this out to show your friends.......well, you know.

[sweetfemme247]

Man I think my aunt is going through menopause, she is a raging bitch lately.... yells all the time, no energy

[Daktari]

None of my trousers or shorts fit me now that 'The Alien' has settled round my middle. I know other skinny folks who've

Oh foxyshamen I so know how that hot even whilst it's freezing thang.

I also take vit.B6, zinc and iron.

I have yet to find any supplement that makes me feel less 'nuts' *sigh*

[jelli]

Man I think my aunt is going through menopause, she is a raging bitch lately.... yells all the time, no energy

Express to her your concern that the reason she may not have much energy is because she IS yelling all the time.

[jelli]

I am a student and I swear the only thing that I was retaining in 3 semesters was WaTeR. Some how my instructors did not see this as a viable excuse to be late on any assignments. LOL

[Daktari]

I am a student and I swear the only thing that I was retaining in 3 semesters was WaTeR. Some how my instructors did not see this as a viable excuse to be late on any assignments. LOL


hah! I can imagine what my tutors would say if I asked for extra time with my assignments because I'm menopausally nuts. :groucho:

[Rockinonahigh]

In 1998 I had a total hysto cause of fibroid tumors that were causeing me to have 3 week long periods that near sent me to the hospital many times.Going into sudden menopause was a Bytch if the first order,the days were either good or bad depending on how many wet crying towles I used a day,mood swings were like Jeckle ad Hyde so I stayed to myself most of the time..wich made it easyer for all conserned.Now after all these years I still have some killer hot flashes and night sweats that sometimes I have to shower in the morning before going to work,I did take hrt for about 6 months but quit after I found out how dangerous they were,im not saying takeing something wouldnt help me but I never have ask my doc about it..no real reason just it never comes up at an appointment.I often cant sleep at night,do forget things( at times) wonder if I forgot to insert my brain cells when I get up in the morning cause of some of the stupid stuff I sometimes do,yeah it leave ppl wondering if im all hear..heck I wonder if im all hear.

[Daktari]

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[Converse]

I’m a Stone Butch, I’m tough, I came out of the womb that way – In fact I’m so tough that I had to google “ where do Stone Butches come from?” and found the word “womb”, after all Stone Butches don’t concern themselves with that kind of “women’s stuff” do they?

I have an education, I can write a dissertation without much of a nudge, but ask me to discuss an ovary and I will stare blankly. Women don’t discuss “secret women’s business” around baby stone butches let alone grown ones, and the most personal conversation between tough Stone Butches may involve tips on packing or if we are feeling particularly sensitive- the awkwardness of binding may get raised.

It was clear to me that the new washing machine obviously caused my jeans to shrink, but I became slightly confused when the same happened to my belts – had someone been putting them in the wash as well? I checked the buckles for signs of being placed in the dryer.

Then my energy level dropped, probably a reaction to the world climate change, I should start eating raw meat or buckets of spinach, and will as soon as I stop turning the house upside down looking for chocolate. The hunt for sugar is exhausting.

I’m probably so tired because it’s hard to sleep in the furnaces of hell, laying there in a pool of perspiration I think I should quickly go and water all of the plants before they die in this heat – I will as soon as I get the energy.

What I don’t understand is why the teenager is so loud all of the sudden, and why the cashier is moving at a speed that if any slower would actually result in her working in reverse, and since when did my pin number on my debit card end in a zero, and have I always taken sugar in my tea?

Those weren’t tears that came from watching that stupid show, it’s quite obvious that my eyes are simply watering - a reaction to having just recently been prescribed reading glasses. I knew that I didn’t need glasses because I was getting older- its just that my eyes are tired, they will believe me once I start eating that raw meat and my hawk eye vision returns. It’s also probably why I can’t finish reading a book, and has nothing to do with suddenly developing the attention span of a 3 year old (although oddly, a childish temper tantrum has some appeal right now).

After I had run the cold water over the top of my head, opened all the doors and the windows and put the ceiling fans on maximum – I stared in disbelief at my wife who seemed to be sitting calmly unperturbed by the sudden heat wave that had hit. “Aren’t you boiling up?” I asked, “No” she replied – I had to touch her skin before I could be convinced.
I finally declared “I’m sick! I have a fever!”
She smiled, she said “it’s called menopause”. “No you don’t understand- I just don’t feel myself, I can’t explain it”.
My wife took me to the healthfood store – we stood in the women’s care section, I looked at the labels. I was suddenly struck with having to acknowledge the body I was born into - I became disorientated and chose to wait outside.

As I type this I’m looking at a bottle labelled “ Womensense – for the reduction of hot flashes and other symptoms of menopause”.

I select “female” on official forms, perhaps in my lifetime “Butch” will appear as an option on those forms, but until then I’m ok with my selection. And one day “happy birthday to our daughter” cards will sit next to “happy birthday to our Butch”, on the shelves at the gift stores, but in the mean time I’m ok with opening the card that my parents send me. But this, this dialogue, verbiage and images of womanhood and femininity in the context of discussing Me, is something I’m having a hard time coming to terms with.

I’ll think about it some more after I have splashed some cold water over my head.

[Daktari]

Great post Converse, thank you - of course I had to put my specs on to read it because I can't see to read without them anymore. That's only happened in the last year! :glasses:

I suddenly don't feel so alone...

...I know, I know you women of the femme persuasion are sharing the same symptoms and wotnot but menopause is not necessarily challenging your whole sex/gender/id/concept of self like it can do for those of us on the other side of the bf equation.

It was good to spend some time with an older ex recently who has come out the other side of menopause and is happy with her older, aging self............she doesn't get hot flashes anymore - wooohoooo they do eventually stop!!

Bound up in all this menopause gubbins has to be the notion of aging surely? I don't mind admitting that I so looked forward to my 40s and have had a ball thus far but I'm struggling with the run down to 50. :sunglass:

[jelli]

I’m a Stone Butch, I’m tough, I came out of the womb that way – In fact I’m so tough that I had to google “ where do Stone Butches come from?” and found the word “womb”, after all Stone Butches don’t concern themselves with that kind of “women’s stuff” do they?

I have an education, I can write a dissertation without much of a nudge, but ask me to discuss an ovary and I will stare blankly. Women don’t discuss “secret women’s business” around baby stone butches let alone grown ones, and the most personal conversation between tough Stone Butches may involve tips on packing or if we are feeling particularly sensitive- the awkwardness of binding may get raised.

It was clear to me that the new washing machine obviously caused my jeans to shrink, but I became slightly confused when the same happened to my belts – had someone been putting them in the wash as well? I checked the buckles for signs of being placed in the dryer.

Then my energy level dropped, probably a reaction to the world climate change, I should start eating raw meat or buckets of spinach, and will as soon as I stop turning the house upside down looking for chocolate. The hunt for sugar is exhausting.

I’m probably so tired because it’s hard to sleep in the furnaces of hell, laying there in a pool of perspiration I think I should quickly go and water all of the plants before they die in this heat – I will as soon as I get the energy.

What I don’t understand is why the teenager is so loud all of the sudden, and why the cashier is moving at a speed that if any slower would actually result in her working in reverse, and since when did my pin number on my debit card end in a zero, and have I always taken sugar in my tea?

Those weren’t tears that came from watching that stupid show, it’s quite obvious that my eyes are simply watering - a reaction to having just recently been prescribed reading glasses. I knew that I didn’t need glasses because I was getting older- its just that my eyes are tired, they will believe me once I start eating that raw meat and my hawk eye vision returns. It’s also probably why I can’t finish reading a book, and has nothing to do with suddenly developing the attention span of a 3 year old (although oddly, a childish temper tantrum has some appeal right now).

After I had run the cold water over the top of my head, opened all the doors and the windows and put the ceiling fans on maximum – I stared in disbelief at my wife who seemed to be sitting calmly unperturbed by the sudden heat wave that had hit. “Aren’t you boiling up?” I asked, “No” she replied – I had to touch her skin before I could be convinced.
I finally declared “I’m sick! I have a fever!”
She smiled, she said “it’s called menopause”. “No you don’t understand- I just don’t feel myself, I can’t explain it”.
My wife took me to the healthfood store – we stood in the women’s care section, I looked at the labels. I was suddenly struck with having to acknowledge the body I was born into - I became disorientated and chose to wait outside.

As I type this I’m looking at a bottle labelled “ Womensense – for the reduction of hot flashes and other symptoms of menopause”.

I select “female” on official forms, perhaps in my lifetime “Butch” will appear as an option on those forms, but until then I’m ok with my selection. And one day “happy birthday to our daughter” cards will sit next to “happy birthday to our Butch”, on the shelves at the gift stores, but in the mean time I’m ok with opening the card that my parents send me. But this, this dialogue, verbiage and images of womanhood and femininity in the context of discussing Me, is something I’m having a hard time coming to terms with.

I’ll think about it some more after I have splashed some cold water over my head.

Converse,

Hello there. I can not express enough appreciation for your post. As I read further and further into your post my eyes begin to well up with tears(don't worry I'm a sensitive girl). I felt what you were writing as it applies to my menopause in the female sense, but could also feel it as if it were my Butch. It pains me more for Butches - then again most things do. Hope that's not a dangling participle because my Cruel is always telling me not to leave them hanging. As you can tell, I can not write a dissertation for anything. Maybe one day.

Cruel met me as the mother of 5 and completely took on the task. Of course I didn't say it was easy, but my point being, we want Cruel to have a holiday since I had Mother's Day. Cruel got Father's Day with a twist... BUTCH'S Day. Surely I hope you didn't misread that holiday. Just wanted to show love, appreciation and acceptance. Hope we did her justice.

May you and your wife share many years of love and happiness.

[jelli]

Great post Converse, thank you - of course I had to put my specs on to read it because I can't see to read without them anymore. That's only happened in the last year! :glasses:

I suddenly don't feel so alone...

...I know, I know you women of the femme persuasion are sharing the same symptoms and wotnot but menopause is not necessarily challenging your whole sex/gender/id/concept of self like it can do for those of us on the other side of the bf equation.

It was good to spend some time with an older ex recently who has come out the other side of menopause and is happy with her older, aging self............she doesn't get hot flashes anymore - wooohoooo they do eventually stop!!

Bound up in all this menopause gubbins has to be the notion of aging surely? I don't mind admitting that I so looked forward to my 40s and have had a ball thus far but I'm struggling with the run down to 50. :sunglass:



{{{{{ Incubus }}}}} because sometimes my words feel inadequate for what i feel from a post.

My Cruel, Mr. Bent, among so many others will tell you I have the utmost respect and appreciation for what Butches, Trans, etc.

I wish the world would wrap you in love and acceptance. I wish I could be all of your neighbors. Just sayin'.

[Rockinonahigh]

Thanks so much for the post,I know just how u feel,u explaned things In ways I havent been able to..thank u so much.

[Corkey]

I'm a male ID'd Butch TG, I have a female body I rarely acknowledge. That is until I hit 47 and the perimenopauisl shyt of hot flashes bombarded my body and muddled my brain. I took to calling it mental pause because it effected my brain more than I could have ever imagined. I took to reading glasses at 35 and continue to get more distance between my menu and my face, when my wife sits across from me and I have forgotten my eyes she will gladly hold the menu or read it to me. Some kids will wonder if I can read, the answer is yes when I have my damn eyes on. Back to the gates of hell and the night angles that pick one up and drop one into a pool of lava with no hope of ice. This last winter I wore a sweat shirt the entire time and we have some cruel winters of over 60" of snow. I shoveled the white stuff in my sweat shirt the wind in my face glad for the bite of freezing bits of ice. I tried the black kohash, it worked for a while, but not over the years.
I park my ass in front of the fan and pray the flash gods will be kind. I am now at the stage where it is not an every 5 minute occurrence and I can sleep at night with sheet and blanket, often tossed aside but not far from reach.
I am a secure human, so I know this too shall pass and has nothing to do with how I am perceived. In passing you would not know that I had just given a pint of liquid 10 minutes ago, except for the longing stare at the ice machine.
Oh the joys of the addled brain, forgetting from one minute to the next what the hell I'm doing in the bath room when I don't have any business to preform in said room. Or I know I was looking for something if only to remember the next day. These sad tricks of the addled mind are at once frightening and humorous. You can tell I'm looking for my glasses when a remarkable stare fixes my eyes, only to have pointed out they are already on my face.
Yes, dears the joys of mental pause, this too shall pass.

[jelli]

I'm a male ID'd Butch TG, I have a female body I rarely acknowledge. That is until I hit 47 and the perimenopauisl shyt of hot flashes bombarded my body and muddled my brain. I took to calling it mental pause because it effected my brain more than I could have ever imagined. I took to reading glasses at 35 and continue to get more distance between my menu and my face, when my wife sits across from me and I have forgotten my eyes she will gladly hold the menu or read it to me. Some kids will wonder if I can read, the answer is yes when I have my damn eyes on. Back to the gates of hell and the night angles that pick one up and drop one into a pool of lava with no hope of ice. This last winter I wore a sweat shirt the entire time and we have some cruel winters of over 60" of snow. I shoveled the white stuff in my sweat shirt the wind in my face glad for the bite of freezing bits of ice. I tried the black kohash, it worked for a while, but not over the years.
I park my ass in front of the fan and pray the flash gods will be kind. I am now at the stage where it is not an every 5 minute occurrence and I can sleep at night with sheet and blanket, often tossed aside but not far from reach.
I am a secure human, so I know this too shall pass and has nothing to do with how I am perceived. In passing you would not know that I had just given a pint of liquid 10 minutes ago, except for the longing stare at the ice machine.
Oh the joys of the addled brain, forgetting from one minute to the next what the hell I'm doing in the bath room when I don't have any business to preform in said room. Or I know I was looking for something if only to remember the next day. These sad tricks of the addled mind are at once frightening and humorous. You can tell I'm looking for my glasses when a remarkable stare fixes my eyes, only to have pointed out they are already on my face.
Yes, dears the joys of mental pause, this too shall pass.

Corkey,

Thank you so much for posting.

I must go and thank my T for reading my menu to me once more. Cruel never leaves me :hanging: . And I appreciate that fact.

I am a secure human, so I know this too shall pass and has nothing to do with how I am perceived.

This is THE best statement!!! In my eyes, this is yet another situation in which I give major "att-a-bois".

Mindlessness? wondering if it's 'mentalpause' or Alzheimer's. AAAAhhhhh yes, I've probably already stated about the lack of retention for school. then feeling a form of guilt for not remembering 3/4 of my semester. Although I can get a real chuckle from the kids for looking for the very sunglasses that are on my head. :blink:

[Rockinonahigh]

You Might Be Going Through Menopause IF...

If you frequently find your head in the freezer, you might be going through menopause.

If more than six times a day, you say "Now what was I doing? -looking for?-saying?, you might be going through menopause.

If your partner asks, "How are you, honey?" and you burst out crying and stay mad at him for the rest of the day, you might be going through menopause.

If you are yelling at your children to "keep it down" and they are reading, you might be going through menopause.

If you consider ramming that car that took your spot, you might be going through menopause.

If all of your clothes are suddenly a size too small, you might be going through menopause.

If the shock of the smaller size of your clothing sends you straight to the freezer and while you're there you grab some ice cream, you might be going through menopause.

If you stand at the refrigerator with the door open and someone else has to remind you of what you want, you might be going through menopause.

If your partner suddenly buys a new motorcycle for quick escapes a few times a day, you might be going through menopause.

If your children seem to be spending more time "out" with their friends, you might be going through menopause.

If your idea of torture is asking that little skinny girl in the cute blouse for the dressing room key, you might be going through menopause.

If you could swear she snickered as she let you in, you might be going through menopause.

If you are suddenly finding the need to shave places you've never shaved before (like your chin), you might be going through menopause.

If your life could be perfect if you didn't have to live with all of these irritating people or work with those jerks or go to church with those other people or share the road with those lousy drivers, you might be going through menopause.

If laughing at a joke reminds you of something else which reminds you of something sad and then you burst out crying while everyone else is still laughing, you might be going through menopause.

If you wish that you could sleep on ice, you might be going through menopause-or global warming.

If you are printing this out to show your friends.......well, you know.



Dose any of this stop??Im 64 and do take some meds that make me a bit sleepy and sometimes a bit of vertago so I thought it was the meds...may be "menopause" insted.Confues hear...yikes!

[Corkey]

Rockin', some of the symptoms do ease as one gets further down the road. But you see it is all subjective because we are all different. So while mah pony may have gone out to pasture a year ago I still suffer PMS mood swings, though that is even getting better. I'm still getting blemishes from it and that too will go away. The best thing to do is keep your mind and body active, even through the energy drain. I feel better when I can excersize, I may never loose the pounds that came with the change, but I can do my part to help keep the creep at bay.

[TIMBERWOLF]

I understand where your coming from. I went through "mechanical menopause " when I was40. I wore a hormone patch or used pills for about 7 yrs before i stopped them. I was lucky as the hot flashes were more of a flush then the full out dripping sweat my friends had told me about. The not sleeping got to me but over that now. The one thing i can say is even after my hysterectomy , once a month i got that "PMS, I don't care what you say , your wrong attitude"........So now that WT is going through it i have lots of patience and just say , yes Honey, whatever you say, because like i told her i know what its like, and its not all about me, its the PMS of menopause.
TIMBER

[Rockinonahigh]

Rockin', some of the symptoms do ease as one gets further down the road. But you see it is all subjective because we are all different. So while mah pony may have gone out to pasture a year ago I still suffer PMS mood swings, though that is even getting better. I'm still getting blemishes from it and that too will go away. The best thing to do is keep your mind and body active, even through the energy drain. I feel better when I can excersize, I may never loose the pounds that came with the change, but I can do my part to help keep the creep at bay.

I work out nearly every day and it dose help keep my head clear and to the point,I can tell the diff when I dont workout,I was told it was because of the endorphine rush that comes from the work out..dont care why just that it works.I know I take a fue more naps than I did years ago and my energy isnt as much as it was...refer to working out to help.

[Lady Pamela]

Sharing by request..lol

‪Menopause & Middle Aged Woman Cartoons‬‏ - YouTube

[Sparx1_1]

As a female id'd butch I haven't had the issues that might be less than pleasant for some male id'd butches facing menopause; so for me it's been a lot easier to just sit and bitch and suck up all the sympathy and advice I can get without any strangeness or discomfort.

So far I am peri-menopausal - for me this has been bursts of menopause followed by bursts of raging hormones that would make any young girl in the first flushes of puberty proud.

The best and worst so far was going 9 months without a period - absolute heaven except that my body decided I was going to bleed "any day now", meaning 9 months of bitching and bloat. The only reason my lovely wife did not divorce me is because "I'm used to you being an asshole, besides it's kinda funny watching you cry at EVERYTHING tee hee." Yes without her loving support, this would be much more difficult.

So far I've been lucky actually. I have a bad knee so the hot flashes (still mild so far) can actually feel really good as it heats up my extremely cold sensitive legs. The night sweats and all the other symptoms are there but they too are also still mild. On the days when the symptoms aren't so mild I just remind myself that Menopause isn't fatal - except to innocent bystanders, but the kids can outrun me.

[jelli]

The only reason my lovely wife did not divorce me is because "I'm used to you being an asshole, besides it's kinda funny watching you cry at EVERYTHING tee hee." Yes without her loving support, this would be much more difficult.


My Cruel would say your wife sounds like me!!!!

[jelli]

I was looking around to find some information about apples supposedly helping you to lose weight, a friend said it was on Dr. Oz, and I stumbled upon this:

http://www.healthy-eating-made-easy.com/menopause-diet.html

[jelli]

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[jelli]

The DivaCup

"Have you ever…(?)

~co-opted toilet paper from a public washroom as a temporary measure

~planned a vacation around your period

~avoided white pants for that one 'special' week of the month

~done a supplies hand-off with a girlfriend while the dates weren't looking

~cautiously tucked the telltale string into your bikini

~accidentally pulled a mystery object from your purse in front of a curious male audience

~scuttled to the washroom to survey the leak damage after a sudden 'surge'

~clogged your toilet with "flushable" feminine products

~left a party with a jacket tied around your waist...?

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The DivaCup to the rescue!!!

The DivaCup is a non-absorbent menstrual cup that simply collects menstrual flow. It is inserted in the vagina and sits at the lower base of the vaginal canal. It is worn internally, yet because it is soft and smooth, it cannot be felt nor will it leak when inserted properly.

The DivaCup is the most clean and convenient method of feminine hygiene protection. No need to touch the flow. It is worn low in the vagina, not near the cervix, so it is easy to remove. No mess!

The DivaCup ends hassles with unreliable disposables in endless absorbencies, shapes and styles. It is perfect for all activities – giving women true freedom without the worry, guessing and unreliability that disposable feminine hygiene products pose.

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[Toughy]

My ex-wife tried the Diva Cup and she damn sure could not go 12 hours without changing it. Overnight was impossible. She had really heavy periods, so maybe that was why.

I posted this in another menopause thread, but will cross post it here:

It's a perfectly natural thing to happen. All my butch friends and I have talked about and still talk about it with great humor. None of us find it embarrassing or any kind of specially cruel joke for butches. One of my favorite conversations occurred outside The Stud one evening. over a cigarette. 4 of us stone cold passing butches (the old terminology) were talking about menopause. We said all the words and were all waiting for the day it all ends. War stories about dripping wet sheets, which movies made us cry the most, etc went on for about 20 or so minutes. I have talked about it with my femme friends who are experiencing the same things.

I haven't bleed in almost 30 years, had my cervix & uterus removed but they left my fine healthy ovaries. So about 10 years ago, the ovaries did their natural slowdown and those wonderful symptoms appeared.

I cried at stupid commercials on TV and steamed up car windows with hot flashes. The crying slowed down, but the hot flashes were like 50 a day and sleeping with me was like being in a steamy jungle. The hot flashes did not stop until I completely permanently stopped drinking alcohol....it took about a month. In the last couple of three years I might have had 3 or four hot flashes.

I turned 59 in June and now that menopause is over.....well that makes me a crone. Another phase in my born butch woman life.

[Daktari]

I've been using a Moon(Diva) Cup since Un-Mrs.I introduced me to them a few years ago. Highly recommended. I love that I've not had to buy any more 'female' products at the supermarket/shop since I got one.

Thanks for posting here Toughy. I see no need for a seperate 'Butch' menopause thread, especially as several of us male-id and/or butch folks have posted here already and raised the issue of how this affects us.

[Novelafemme]

I've been using a Moon(Diva) Cup since Un-Mrs.I introduced me to them a few years ago. Highly recommended. I love that I've not had to buy any more 'female' products at the supermarket/shop since I got one.

Thanks for posting here Toughy. I see no need for a seperate 'Butch' menopause thread, especially as several of us male-id and/or butch folks have posted here already and raised the issue of how this affects us.

I'm pretty sure Strappin started a thread recently for butches going through menopause. I'll see if I can find it!

[Novelafemme]

i think i have used every menstrual product out there and can hands down say the Diva cup was my least favorite. my absolute favorite was the sea sponge <shush Lady Snow and Strappin> but with both you inevitably end up having to manage the "bloody hand" predicament when using public stall-style restrooms.

i had a hysterectomy in may of this year and while i love it i do want to remind everyone to still have bi-annual sonograms of your ovaries. Either that or ask your doctor to run a c125 blood work up. That is the ovarian cancer marker, much like the brca test is for breast cancer. ovarian cancer is the silent killer and often is a-symptomatic until it becomes a stage 4 situation.

and for everyone who loathes the gyn office as much as i do (think i'd rather dig a ditch naked), most planned parenthood offices have lgbtq friendly obgyn docs who are trans-friendly. :)

[Novelafemme]

The tears at the drop of a hat, the sweats (not just at night mind you) The mood swings god I feel like I'm losing my mind..... Menopause

I mean growing up finding myself as a "female identified Butch" was in it self a hard thing to grow into. Walking into a women's bathroom and being told "sir you are in the wrong bathroom", I was mortified as a young adult to hear that and it still happens to me on a wkly basis. I'm better equipped to handle those words now at my age. But Menopause, god help me!

Lets not forget how I as a Butch tried to say the words Menstrual Cycle it just wouldn't come out of this mouth so I came up with my own word for it the "devil" The things that little thing does to a Butch every month is painstakingly hard to accept at a young age, hell even now. It's as if it's been a cruel joke for us Butches, Ftm's and anyone else that does not identify as femme.

I have been putting off going to the Doctor for a very long time and well I know I have to swallow my pride and go. Because if I don't I may just lose my friends, family and possibly my job because of my emotions. Ok it's really not that bad but holy cats I can't stop crying.. lol I love my friends dearly and they know I'm going through this but I don't think they understand what it's "really" doing to me as far as my masculinity.

Do any other Butches think it's a cruel joke?

The mind games it plays on a butch, I can't even describe or put into words the mind games it plays.

Found it :)

[Daktari]

Found it :)

Thanks for that Novelafemme...I was saying that I didn't think it necessary for another menopause thread butch or otherwise....thanks anyway.

[Novelafemme]

Thanks for that Novelafemme...I was saying that I didn't think it necessary for another menopause thread butch or otherwise....thanks anyway.

I'm a selective reader ;)

[jelli]

My ex-wife tried the Diva Cup and she damn sure could not go 12 hours without changing it. Overnight was impossible. She had really heavy periods, so maybe that was why.

I posted this in another menopause thread, but will cross post it here:

It's a perfectly natural thing to happen. All my butch friends and I have talked about and still talk about it with great humor. None of us find it embarrassing or any kind of specially cruel joke for butches. One of my favorite conversations occurred outside The Stud one evening. over a cigarette. 4 of us stone cold passing butches (the old terminology) were talking about menopause. We said all the words and were all waiting for the day it all ends. War stories about dripping wet sheets, which movies made us cry the most, etc went on for about 20 or so minutes. I have talked about it with my femme friends who are experiencing the same things.

I haven't bleed in almost 30 years, had my cervix & uterus removed but they left my fine healthy ovaries. So about 10 years ago, the ovaries did their natural slowdown and those wonderful symptoms appeared.

I cried at stupid commercials on TV and steamed up car windows with hot flashes. The crying slowed down, but the hot flashes were like 50 a day and sleeping with me was like being in a steamy jungle. The hot flashes did not stop until I completely permanently stopped drinking alcohol....it took about a month. In the last couple of three years I might have had 3 or four hot flashes.

I turned 59 in June and now that menopause is over.....well that makes me a crone. Another phase in my born butch woman life.

I appreciate your posting Toughster!!!!

You are right about the heavy periods though. I was quoting the site itself. It will go overnight, but again maybe not with heavy bleeding.

Respectfully, jelli*

[jelli]

I've been using a Moon(Diva) Cup since Un-Mrs.I introduced me to them a few years ago. Highly recommended. I love that I've not had to buy any more 'female' products at the supermarket/shop since I got one.



No more hygiene aisle was a definite plus for some!!!

[jelli]

i think i have used every menstrual product out there and can hands down say the Diva cup was my least favorite. my absolute favorite was the sea sponge <shush Lady Snow and Strappin> but with both you inevitably end up having to manage the "bloody hand" predicament when using public stall-style restrooms.

i had a hysterectomy in may of this year and while i love it i do want to remind everyone to still have bi-annual sonograms of your ovaries. Either that or ask your doctor to run a c125 blood work up. That is the ovarian cancer marker, much like the brca test is for breast cancer. ovarian cancer is the silent killer and often is a-symptomatic until it becomes a stage 4 situation.

and for everyone who loathes the gyn office as much as i do (think i'd rather dig a ditch naked), most planned parenthood offices have lgbtq friendly obgyn docs who are trans-friendly. :)

I know here in the Bible-belt you can usually find out lgbtqi resources such as friendly docs by contacting your local PFLAG too.

[jelli]

I know it's not for everyone, but wanted to mention the shewee/he-wee too. Whether it be when you're camping, public restrooms(where you wouldn't have to explain the direction your feet are facing), or every day life.

Amazon.com: SHEWEE: Sports & Outdoors

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[Daktari]

I'm quite comfortable using male or female toilets. Both have cubicles. There are plenty of cis-guys who will only use a cubicle, for whatever reason.

When it's Mooncups are Go! I never visit the restroom without a bottle of water.

I'm a daily 'packer' but really not when I'm bleedin' ...although that's not been a problem since Feb/March.

TMI? (Too Much Information?)

[jelli]

I'm quite comfortable using male or female toilets. Both have cubicles. There are plenty of cis-guys who will only use a cubicle, for whatever reason.

When it's Mooncups are Go! I never visit the restroom without a bottle of water.

I'm a daily 'packer' but really not when I'm bleedin' ...although that's not been a problem since Feb/March.

TMI? (Too Much Information?)

Not to much TMI in my opinion. Thank you for being open and posting!

[Daktari]

Not to much TMI in my opinion. Thank you for being open and posting!

Yer welcome jelli...I just think it's important we all share about this together. It's not something that divides us, it unites us. There's a shared physical experience, even emotional experiences.

We may have a different experience when it comes to our gender expression but does that mean we need to separate our experiences? You lot love us for our butch/genderqueer/otherness and we love you for your femme/queerness/otherness too. It's a shared experience as far as I'm concerned.

:cheesy::o:cool:

[jelli]

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[jelli]

Don't even get me started....

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[T4Texas]

I have been very fortunate in some ways. I had a cancerous tumor in 2005 which necessitated a hysterectomy. I made sure they removed everything. ovaries and all. My docs told me I would go into instant menopause at that time. And so I waited and waited but nothing happened. I have had one hot flash, (so I know how it feels) and one instance of night sweats and that was it. Im hoping Ive sidestepped this but of course your body can play tricks on you and its possible it might still come up in the future. For now Im enjoying the reprieve.

[jelli]

I am hoping to find some relief here before long. I mean sheesh.

I knew today was going to be a bad day. I tossed and turned all night long. The fan was on high as well as the Ac going(kids were probably like penguins by sunrise). So when it was finally time for me to wake up I was totally caddywhompus in the bed, sheets wrapped up around me, surely it must have been all that random hair sprouting. lol

The rest of the day was on and off tears... it's either the menopause or the idea of turning 40. LMAO

[Ranger Butch Force]

I just wanted to bump this thread up and chat more about this.

I will probably have to have a hysterectomy soon and I'm both nervous and excited at the same time. Nervous because I'm scared about "going under the knife" even though it will more than likely be a laser. Excited because I won't be in pain anymore as well as feeling better in general.

My sex drive has gone down a bit but when I told my girlfriend that it will go back up (I read that it will on several sites), she was pretty happy about that.

So, I was wondering about others experiences with the surgery, especially with recovery time.

[Luv]

I guess it depends on if you have a full or partial hysto..but there are meds out there to help bring up the sex drive if you need it

[Ranger Butch Force]

I guess it depends on if you have a full or partial hysto..but there are meds out there to help bring up the sex drive if you need it

I won't know until I go to the OBGYN, which will be real soon.

[stonewalldog]

Intelligent design my ass! The female reproductive system is a freaking joke!
I am an atheist but if there is a god, I sure have a bone to pick with him! LOL!
But that is another topic.

My night sweats would cause me to toss and turn all night. Then I would be sluggish and grumpy all day. My solution is simple. I work out. I get up between 4:30 and 5 Am every week day. When it is light enough out, I ride my bike between 5 and 8 miles. Then I work out with free weights, some kettlebell moves, sit-ups, and planking. Then in afternoon, I walk my Queensland Heeler for 2 miles. She is really hyper so there is no living with her if she doesn't get a good long walk. My job requires me to be on my feet all day and some heavy lifting.

By 9pm, when my head hits the pillow, I am out. I sleep like a baby. I know I still have the night sweats but they don't wake me up anymore. If I fon't work out, I get the night sweats and toss and turn again.

There are theories about caffiene and alcohol as being catalyst for night sweats but I am willing to give up either.

[~ocean]

or use soy products holistic care for yourslef helps alot od menopause
Great energy for ur heart stonewall.. :)

[Kobi]

I just wanted to bump this thread up and chat more about this.

I will probably have to have a hysterectomy soon and I'm both nervous and excited at the same time. Nervous because I'm scared about "going under the knife" even though it will more than likely be a laser. Excited because I won't be in pain anymore as well as feeling better in general.

My sex drive has gone down a bit but when I told my girlfriend that it will go back up (I read that it will on several sites), she was pretty happy about that.

So, I was wondering about others experiences with the surgery, especially with recovery time.



I was thrust into surgical menopause. The hot flashes have lessened over the past 20 years but still rear their head now and then. I am still thinking the flare ups are due to diet rather than a biochemical thing. The "heavier" I eat the more likely they recur. The "lighter" I eat, the less they happen. Carbs seem to make them worse as does dehydration.

Prior to surgery my sex drive was diminished. Excessive bleeding caused fatigue, there was pain and discomfort, and just a general ill feeling. Post healing phase, the drive returned to normal.

I dont know what the recovery/healing times are like with the new methods of doing the surgery. I had the old fashioned abdominal one. Took a good month for the internal healing. Overall a couple of months to get back to feeling like my functional self again.

The only thing I wish someone had told me was the vagina, as a muscle, will lose its strength and function as a result of the surgery and lack of use. Muscle tone and strength needed to be regained post op i.e. kegels and orgasms once this was deemed medically safe to do so.

[macele]

i am 47. sigh. i haven't been to the doctor yet. i have an appointment this week. but i think that i am starting what i have been waiting for since i was 11 years old. menopause lol. o my, i am sweating up a storm. night and day. moody has hell. weight gain. crying way more than usual. etc etc.

i've read some of this thread. i am going back to the beginning. i don't think i saw my question discussed in what i have read so far. which is, has anybody experienced highs/rush? like feeling so damn good! i mean even with all these bad symptoms, i feel better (sometimes) than i've felt in a long long time.

[Smiling]

This was the thread that most closely matched what I have to say, so I hope no one minds my having posted this here....

I awakened at 3am from such a deadly sound sleep that my face was noticeably swollen from fluids accumulated (I could feel the pressure even before I scared myself by looking in the mirror, lol) while my head was planted face-down in a pillow for hours and I found my arms were completely numb beneath me.

That happens to me sometimes; on those occasions when I sleep really hard.

After I quit drinking coffee about 2 months ago, the insomnia I suffered with for the past year + seems to have completely left me; at least for now. My new problem is actually a very old one that seems to have resurfaced: sleeping so soundly that I cannot wake up without some sort of very loud, jarring aid.

This happens more frequently during that time of the month for whatever reason.

When I was much younger, I used to fall asleep for entire weekends; unable to hear alarms or the telephone ringing or even someone trying to physically rouse me. I subsequently found that when I left a TV on for background noise (and I think the room being filled with ambient light helped, too), I didn't enter into such a deep sleep state and so I had CNN on in my bedroom 24/7 for quite a few years.

Anyway, as the fogginess lifted a bit this morning, my fear began speaking directly to me. So clearly, I could almost imagine it had a voice; and just what that voice might sound like, were Fear standing right beside me in tangible form whispering quiet poison into my rapt ear.

And as I listened, I sobbed like a scared child afraid of some imaginary Bogeyman under the bed. What the heck...?

I had to pee. Then I started my period and I suddenly knew what had happened. Usually, I get a backache so severe that it reduces me to tears; I didn't get that this time. That is what I can always rely on to know I'm about to get my period, because my cycle isn't always regular. The accompanying sickness is, though.

And once I actually start bleeding, the symptoms dissipate as if by magic. It's so bizarre.

My face is still really swollen even now; just over 2 hours later. And I don't know if it is from sleeping face-down or from the crying jag. Probably both. Each month, it seems to get worse; especially so as I have gotten older.

I cannot wait for menopause. I don't mean to make light of it, as I know it creates a great deal of suffering for many people; but as it stands right now, I say please bring on the hot flashes and major mood swings. I welcome them.

Unfortunately, I'm only 38.

[Gayandgray]

BUMP! BUMP!

[Deborah*]

That women have to bleed each month, and get cramps for days each month, seems like a curse on womankind. Or like God hates women.

Deborah

[Gayandgray]

I'm 48 and suffering with terrible hot flashes, night sweats, weight gain and no energy, tired no matter how much sleep I get, and the absolute worst is the "Menopausal Brain Fog"!!!!! I forget everything and have to write myself notes daily. Oh and I cry at the drop of a hat and for absolutely no reason at all. All the time. Doctor says I will be fine, this is normal. :seeingstars::seeingstars::seeingstars::seeingstar s::seeingstars:

[homoe]

I'm 48 and suffering with terrible hot flashes, night sweats, weight gain and no energy, tired no matter how much sleep I get, and the absolute worst is the "Menopausal Brain Fog"!!!!! I forget everything and have to write myself notes daily. Oh and I cry at the drop of a hat and for absolutely no reason at all. All the time. Doctor says I will be fine, this is normal. :seeingstars::seeingstars::seeingstars::seeingstar s::seeingstars:

Good luck, once you get through all of this things will get back to normal

[girl_dee]

Black Cohosh cured my hot flashes.. its a natural option - doesn't work for everyone but worth a try!

You get it at CVS, not the tablets but the capsules.

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[homoe]

Black Cohosh cured my hot flashes.. its a natural option - doesn't work for everyone but worth a try!

You get it at CVS, not the tablets but the capsules.

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Yes, this was a godsend for me as well................:hangloose:

[Gayandgray]

Yes, this was a godsend for me as well................:hangloose:

How much do I need to take? How many times a day???

[girl_dee]

How much do I need to take? How many times a day???

i take 540 mg each day. I make sure to get it in that dosage so i only have to take one.