Singles dating: online VS real world?

[Library_girl]

Hello singles,
I'm starting this thread just to see what everyone thinks about online dating vs. real-world dating. Any and all comments are welcome!


*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?


Any other comments on this subject would be great.....these are just questions off the top of my head. :deepthoughts:

THANKS!

[J. Mason]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?

Yes I have and I would go out with someone I met online!

NO blind dates, and no I would not go out with someone who has dated someone I know.

It's a toss up, I have done the online dating and the real life dating, so I do not see either one as better than the other!

[bigbutchmistie]

Hello singles,
I'm starting this thread just to see what everyone thinks about online dating vs. real-world dating. Any and all comments are welcome!


*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?


Any other comments on this subject would be great.....these are just questions off the top of my head. :deepthoughts:

THANKS!

I would and have gone out with someone I met from dating sites, butch femme planet both long distance and locally

I have gone out on blind dates set up by my friends

I wouldnt date someone that dated someone I knew. Its just not right.

To me online first. Due to the fact that I am shy and cant just ask someone out initially. But if a femme asked me out in real time I wouldnt say no if I liked her too :)

[*Anya*]

Hello singles,
I'm starting this thread just to see what everyone thinks about online dating vs. real-world dating. Any and all comments are welcome!


*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?

THANKS![/B]

*Yes, I would date someone I met online. I am not 25 and don't go out to clubs anymore. One must be careful of course-I am not talking about Craig's List! A lesbian dating site or the planet, yes I would. I think you can gain a sense of a person from how they how they put their thoughts, values and beliefs together in writing. I read posts and often think: "Great brains, love the writing, would like to know her better". Even when we try to put our best foot forward online, our real selves do shine through the words we put down.

*LDR is very hard for me. On one hand, the ability to put thoughts to paper (computer actually) fosters communication but it is still difficult to try to establish a true, trusting relationship long distance. I am talking thousands of miles, not just a few. It is a challenge to really, truly, with a whole heart; connect emotionally with someone that you can't even touch, hold or make love with. Yes, I have tried it. Additionally, the two people have to be in the same place emotionally. I am slow to love. My heart is a little crispy. I am shy and kind of an introvert. I don't just jump into anything quickly. It is difficult for me to communicate on a deeper level in a LDR. Hundreds of miles distance
would be easier for me, than thousands. I know people do it every day and I never say never.

*Blind date? Maybe. If it were a friend with very good judgment. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. A few hours of my time could wind up giving menthe greatest gift of all- love.

[Kobi]

I prefer real life/real time stuff. So, internet dating, LDR and such do not appeal to me. Relationships are hard enough without adding in distance and other obstacles.

Luckily, I live in an area where there are opportunities to meeting a variety of fine women.

Dont believe in blind dates.

Dont advocate dating someone who has seriously dated someone I know. That would be weird.

[Glenn]

After years of being in real relationships, I actually prefer online ones. I once dated, married, made love to, argued, and divorced a femme thousands of miles away for nearly three years all online. I did'nt speak more than a paragraph, or have to spend anything. or go anywhere. I did'nt have to do anything. In fact, it was the best relationship I ever had!;)

[Just_G]

Most of the women I meet are met online. I had a policy for years that if you lived within a 100 mile radius of me, I would not date you. I am leaning back towards that, but it is hard with the cost of travelling these days.

As far as blind dates go...hell to the NO! My friends always think that since I am gay and their friend is gay, that we would be the perfect couple! That makes me queasy just thinking about the ignorance behind that kind of thought process! My friends think that I would like the sporty/jock type of girl because that is how they see me....wrong again!! I am not sporty/jock...I am butch. I also don't care for the softball playing, typical androgenous lesbian. No offense to those of you that like them or are one...I just don't prefer to date them. So, back to the topic: No, absolutely NO BLIND DATES!! (unless of course it is set up by one of my BFP friends...they know exactly how I like 'em! :winky:)

Would I go out with someone that dated someone I knew? No. I have a hard time dating locals because the pond here is so small. I don't like the gossip that comes along with that whole package. "Did you hear what she did to so-and-so?" Nor do I like people knowing my business when I date someone, i.e. things that happen behind closed doors. :blink:

I think that both meeting people on line and meeting people in person have their advantages. Meeting them online, I tend to get to know them a little bit better and know more about them prior to meeting. Meeting them in person, I know right away if there is that physical chemistry and I can read their body language to know if they might be interested.

I was with a woman I met through a butch/femme singles site, she lived 3 hours away and we saw each other like every other weekend. It was the best relationship I have ever had. I had my space to work and do things in my hula hoop, and she had time to spend with her kids and take care of her hula hoop, then when we would get together, we didn't have to worry about anything but spending time together. It worked wonderfully for both of us!

[pajama]

I have gone out with lots of people I met through online dating sights. Some were nuts, most were not. Met one of the most wonderful people that way, my ex-wife. But I haven't ventured back into dating sights for over 8 years, just 'cause I do fine without them. And quite frankly, I don't sustain relationships worth a crap, so I'm not going to put the work into meeting someone through a sight that is required just to have it end a few months later.

I have never been on a blind date, but would be open to it. Might not meet a mate, but might meet a new friend. So sure, why not?

I would/have dated someone that dated someone I knew. Good lord, I have tons of friends. This would seriously curtail the posibilities if I didn't date someone who dated someone I KNEW. Now would I date an ex's ex, or a best friends ex. Possibly not.

For me, I prefer meeting people in person so I can work my magic. ;)

[SugarLips]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both) Yes I have and would do it again. Both local and long distance (although I think it's harder to have a long distance relationship in general)

*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers) I did once and I will NEVER do it again. However, I am more than willing to have an arranged meeting within a group setting. This way there is no pressure on either of us.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know? Probably not. I haven't so far. I tend to have a "circle of friends" policy that I just don't break.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life? I think each has their pros and cons. You can be taken in by a scumbag just as easily if you meet them in real life as you can meeting them online... And you can just as easily meet some amazing people online as you can in real life.

[LaneyDoll]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
Yes. I have met people online that I dated or fell in love with or dated but realized we were better as friends.


*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
No. I think it is a bad idea. My mom once secretly arranged for me to meet someone. I was supposed to meet her and she had them waiting. The problems were numerous. 1. It was a man. 2. He was in overalls. 3. He was in overalls knowing he was supposed to meet someone. 4. He barely talked to me anyway. 5. He was in overalls knowing he was supposed to meet someone he could be set up with. (Nothing against overalls but come on, I do not want to meet you for the first time and you look like you are going hunting or plowing a field.


*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
Yes. Assuming they ended things because they just did not match. I have dated someone that I was better friends with but who would have been perfect for another friend. But I do not arrange meetings/blind dates etc.


*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?
For me, probably online. I find it hard to meet other people. I have been told that I am intimidating. But that is my fault. Since my fave alt bar does not get busy until late, I go from the dungeon. Leather corset, leather skirt, super high heels and full blown femme mode equates that the only people who talk to me are the cute little gay boys who want to pet me. I probably look like the most unapproachable person there.

You would think that I would learn-lol.


:sparklyheart:

[sara-bera]

I have dated people from all different places online, many times.

I've been set up on a couple blind dates, but I don't really care for it.

I'm not sure if I'd go out with someone who's dated another person I know. The circumstances haven't occurred yet. I think it would depend on the situation and the people involved.

Which is better... well, I really prefer meeting people in person, but that happens very rarely. I'm painfully shy (though I've been working on it) and just a little bit old fashioned (I prefer the masculine/butch half of the equation makes the first move) so I tend to meet people online more often.

I'm afraid online dating is a bit challenging at times. I'm trusting and that allows me to be easily fooled, if the pursuant is of that ilk. I'm learning to be a little more careful and that it's not 'demanding' of me to want to talk to someone on the phone or see a recent picture of them. I don't like to be pushy or aggressive, but I do need to be a little more realistic and make requests, at the very least, when I'm getting to know someone.

That being said, the internet has been a really useful tool to meet people. I've made lots of friends, even a couple that I see prett y regularly. And you never really know where you will find love if you're open to the possibilities!

[JAGG]

After years of being in real relationships, I actually prefer online ones. I once dated, married, made love to, argued, and divorced a femme thousands of miles away for nearly three years all online. I did'nt speak more than a paragraph, or have to spend anything. or go anywhere. I did'nt have to do anything. In fact, it was the best relationship I ever had!;)

Wait what???:seeingstars:

[Julie]

After years of being in real relationships, I actually prefer online ones. I once dated, married, made love to, argued, and divorced a femme thousands of miles away for nearly three years all online. I did'nt speak more than a paragraph, or have to spend anything. or go anywhere. I did'nt have to do anything. In fact, it was the best relationship I ever had!;)

How do you make love to someone online?
Serious?
Or are you just speaking phone, video, cyber?
And how do marry them?
Are you being sarcastic - because my head is spinning!!!

[Julie]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
I am currently in a LDR with someone I met online. It has been almost 2 years!

*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
I have been on one blind date and it lasted 7 years.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
Someone I know or Someone who was in a relationship with them? YES to someone I know - MAYBE to someone who previously was with them. Depends on my relationship with the Someone. If it is a good friend, absolutely NOT!

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?
I have had both and I cannot say one is better than the other. It really depends on the person you are dating.

I am also really quirky when it comes to online relationships. Dreamer and I have been seeing one another for almost two years. I just don't understand how people can say they are IN LOVE and in a relationship, when they have never met. How can you know, when you have never shared physical energy. I know love can be BIG for some people, but I am fairly literal in every sense. I do not consider phone sex to be sex, as the same way as sharing your physical body with another. It took me well over a year of admitting to myself and others, that I was even in a relationship. Even though, we had spent time together physically and I love this person. We are not together full time, and so it is hard for me to understand. Even though my relationship was committed. I hope that makes sense. I just have a hard time grasping the idea of online (I am in love with you and we have never met) relationships.

Julie

[clay]

me, too...Jagg! Wait what???:seeingstars:

[SugarLips]

Me three!....

[clay]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both) I did, I have, and I will....My last partner & I met in the OLD w4w chat room...and we were together for 15 years!!! As some others have posted...you can find good both IRL and Online! Same goes with "bad apples".
*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
I have gone on blind dates....many, many years ago. I am just not into that now...but mine was a positive experience.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
Probably not if they had "dated" that person, but would consider it, if I were in that situation.


*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?
I have had just as much positive from both venues...so can't say one or the other wins out. Both have their pros and cons. Online and LDR affords you to get better acquainted at a slower, more relaxed pace...and IRL allows you to actually see them in the flesh. Online, I tend to agree with some other posters, you get a "feel" for them more realistically in their written words as opposed to their spoken words. There is just something mystical, magical about, and having the the luxury of, reading their words, at your time and pace, and digesting..and being able to peruse them frequently..as oppsoed to IRL, spoken..you hear them then, and later try to recall what was said...online you have a digest to look at, so to speak. I can actually "feel" someone's energy in written words...someone had said in another thread, about how can you "fall in love" online...while I agree with that, for me, my love has many layers. I can feel love..and express that...no, I am NOT saying I am IN LOVE to them, I am sharing a level of love I have for them...be it their soul..their personality, or their words..or their actions...no two of us are alike, so what one may see, feel, etc...another may not..that is the beauty of the human race..we are each one UNIQUE! Love starts as a small seedling..and is nurtured, tended, and fed..so it can grow over time..and "time" to one is not the same to another...I happen to be one of those people who feels love...in so many forms, and am not afraid to share it. I OWN that one, and am proud of it. I tend to let go of the "negatives" and focus on the goodness, the positives...so....have a grand evening, everyone!

[DapperButch]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both).

Since the 90's this has been my usual way of "meeting" people to date (personal ads...not web sites). I find you can sift through people quickly this way. I don't do long distance and always date within a 30 mile radius (except maybe once or twice).


*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
Yep. Current partner is from a blind date!


*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
Nope. Never.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?
None is better than the other.

[DapperButch]

[B] I just don't understand how people can say they are IN LOVE and in a relationship, when they have never met. How can you know, when you have never shared physical energy. Julie

I concur! Not even the relationship or in love thing.... I think it is even weird for people to say they are "dating" before they meet.

What the heck?

[lettertodaddy]

Every partner I've met in the last 12 years or so has been through online dating. I don't know how to meet people in real life, it seems.

[SugarLips]

I concur! Not even the relationship or in love thing.... I think it is even weird for people to say they are "dating" before they meet.

What the heck?

I think you can be committed to a person before you actually meet them... That to me would be dating. Maybe not your traditional dinner and a movie kind of dating... But you can still get to know a person (sometimes more so) online just as you can in person. Which is all that dating is anyway.

Not sure if I could go as far as getting married online without meeting the person in real life... but I certainly won't invalidate what someone else perceives as a "marriage" for them.

[Nadeest]

I've gone out both with people that I've met online and through blind dates. I haven't been out with someone that one of my friends have dated, however. I think that both methods have possibilities, but I probably tend to be more wary when meeting people for the first time, when I have met them online.

[JAGG]

Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both) I have so that would be a yes. But I really want something local .
*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers) never again.
*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know? No. Seems like a bad idea all the way around.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life? Hands down with out a doubt, meeting someone in real life.

[Julie]

Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both) I have so that would be a yes.
*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers) Once and never again.
*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know? No. Seems like a bad idea all the way around.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life? Hands down with out a doubt, meeting someone in real life.

So here is a question to all of you who would not date someone who dated someone you know...

Our community is fairly incestuous - be it online or real time. How can this be avoided? Seriously.

[JAGG]

So here is a question to all of you who would not date someone who dated someone you know...

Our community is fairly incestuous - be it online or real time. How can this be avoided? Seriously.

It does limit your choices. But that's life. At least for me.

[Julie]

Well it's partly why I'm still single, not a whole lot of choices.

No, not a whole lot.
You could find a Virgin Bride.

[JAGG]

No, not a whole lot.
You could find a Virgin Bride.

Virgin???? Heck no. I want someone who has been around the block. I like experience. Virgin has nothing to offer me. BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SugarLips]

lmaoooooo.... omg... you all have me dying in laughter over here!

[DapperButch]

It does limit your choices. But that's life. At least for me.

Yep. It's a butch code thing for me, personally. No offense to the choices others make.

[Julie]

Virgin???? Heck no. I want someone who has been around the block. I like experience. Virgin has nothing to offer me. BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jagg...
Back to your original statement.
You will be single forever.

Virgin or Has Been Had.
The choice is yours.

(snort)

[clay]

Julie...good question....seriously! For me, I lived in Atlanta,GA for a few years...it was so huge as a community that anyone I did date, hadn't been with anyone in the "community". PLUS I tend to gravitate towards Nurses/Medical People....and that "pool" is not so much a "community". Then I was in a 5 yr and a 15 year relationship...pretty close together. Since being single the last 3 years...I have dated people I met from dating sites...and none were in the community, so to speak. Each person was either an hr. or up to 8 hrs. away...soooo..that kept me from being in the "community" where I lived. I have dated (IRL) 3 people from a site...online...and again, each was from a few states away...and I hadn't thought about your question, until you brought it up. So that is how I manage to stay away from the pool...I tend to steer clear of the "community" just for the "incest part". I was at a potluck a few months ago, in Jacksonville,FL. My first, and only foray into the "pool". The group I was conversing with began to talk about who all each had "slept with" at this particular function...one said "8", one said "5", and one said "almost all the femmes here". It startled me so...and I just thought to myself...I am NOT interested in anyone here. I think it is disrespectful to "kiss and tell" like that....and I didn't want to be a part of it. So, I come online and steer clear of that, if possible. This is just what works for me...and my own opinion...<smiles>So here is a question to all of you who would not date someone who dated someone you know...

Our community is fairly incestuous - be it online or real time. How can this be avoided? Seriously.

[DapperButch]

I think you can be committed to a person before you actually meet them... That to me would be dating. Maybe not your traditional dinner and a movie kind of dating... But you can still get to know a person (sometimes more so) online just as you can in person. Which is all that dating is anyway.

Not sure if I could go as far as getting married online without meeting the person in real life... but I certainly won't invalidate what someone else perceives as a "marriage" for them.

Yes, I agree. I can be "committed" to someone (that is as simple as not seeing anyone else), but I think that I have to meet someone first in order to "date" them. Half of the image one has of a person prior to meeting them (even if they talk 50 times a day on skype), is what they create in their own mind as to who they perceive/want the person to be.

[JAGG]

Jagg...
Back to your original statement.
You will be single forever.

Virgin or Has Been Had.
The choice is yours.

(snort)

oh no don't be jinxing me Julie.HAHAHA Are you saying I have to lower my standards? Single forever? Well guess I'll just play out the hand I was dealt then. Somehow I doubt I'll be single forever. It will work out for me, it always does.

[JAGG]

Yes, I agree. I can be "committed" to someone (that is as simple as not seeing anyone else), but I think that I have to meet someone first in order to "date" them. Half of the image one has of a person prior to meeting them (even if they talk 50 times a day on skype), is what they create in their own mind as to who they perceive/want the person to be.

I agree, you have to meet someone before you can call it dating. Otherwise, you're just TALKING.

[SugarLips]

semantics... lol :P

[atomiczombie]

I have done the online relationship thing, and it just doesn't work for me. I have been burned too many times from it. I would rather have someone I can actually spend time with in person and have real dates, sex, etc. I think it is just too difficult to really get to know someone only through online and phone conversations. And I just want a flesh and blood hand to hold.

I have never been on a blind date.

I would not date the ex of a friend of mine.

[RiverBoi]

I give up on both lol ;)

[Gráinne]

Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)

I've done so before, and met a wonderful woman. Unfortunately, she was pretty far away and both of us had rotten timing. We're still great friends. I'd go out with someone I met online, as I don't go to clubs or bars, especially a site where the person's character could be vouced for (like BFP).

*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)

Not again. It's a shock learning what your friends think your "type" is, or what you'll settle for. Now, a party or dinner in which said person was also invited but not as my date-that's OK. It's not just about the fix-up, that way.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?

Generally, no. It depends. My best friend's ex, no way (she's straight, anyway, but I mean a very close friend). An aquaintance, again it depends. I'd rather not date if the community was that insular.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?

In real life, because you get to see the person "in action", and probably doing something you already like to do.

[dixie]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)

Yes. I have and I am, and I would again. I have met local and long distance, my current being long distance.


*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)

I've done that a couple times. Once worked out well. Or rather, the dating didn't go so well but I made a very dear lifelong friend out of it.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?

Pffft. Have you ever been to Asheville? My entire group of local friends, we have all dated each other, each other's exes, each other's relatives, yada yada yada. It isn't a very large place, and we all just seem to know and understand. Rarely does anyone ever have hard feelings about it. Usually, no matter who is dating or breaking up, we are all still one large group of friends for the long haul. Maybe it's just become tradition, because we all seem to pass one on to the next...lol

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?

I actually prefer meeting them online and getting to know them that way for a few months before meeting them in person. To me, first dates (and the entire early stage of dating) is awkward and I don't really feel like I can be myself the way I would like. Getting to know someone online allows me the opportunity to open myself up to them without the awkwardness, the physical aspect (lust/shyness/whatnot), or any of the other clouding my mind. Then, by the time I do meet them in person I am much more comfortable and things seem to flow much more smoothly. This could also be because I am a painfully shy person when it comes to the whole dating thing. *shrug*

[MysticOceansFL]

Sure I would date someone from online but only if I chatted with them over five years.
I don't do blind dates nor do I date anyone who has dated someone I know or known for years.
online source and real time are both considered good and you have to becareful in both.






Hello singles,
I'm starting this thread just to see what everyone thinks about online dating vs. real-world dating. Any and all comments are welcome!


*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?


Any other comments on this subject would be great.....these are just questions off the top of my head. :deepthoughts:

THANKS!

[*Anya*]

"*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?".

I did not answer this one, so here goes.

There are all different levels of dating. If a friend of mine had a very, very casual dating relationship and when it ended-it was mutual, I would still ask her if it would be OK and how she would feel about it. I am very intuitive and if I even had a sense ut bothered her, would never do it. Friends come first to me. I am never going to lose a friend over a date, no matter how attracted I might be to the butch.

If they had had a much more serious relationship & it ended, I would never consider it. There is too much emotion left when a serious relationship ends. She would need my friendship more than ever!

Separate issue: I do not call online interactions dating. I call that getting to know someone and there are also many different levels of that, too.

The online interactions can and do, range from casual, brief, superficial chit-chat, to much more intimate verbal sharing.

When one gets to the much more intimate sharing stage, then I would want to meet that person; in person. If we meet in person and all the feelings, thoughts, hopes and shared dreams that we had online, bonded us and there was genuine physical and emotional attraction (and not just a projection of what we thought the person or wanted the person to be) then, I would call that dating.

Before that, I am getting to know them on a deeper level than even an actual casual, physical date.

I agree about not discussing people you have dated or slept with with others. What goes on between me and someone else, is our business. I never, ever share a confidence either. That is an important value of mine. I do not betray trust.

Have a great day everyone!

[ruffryder]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)

Yup I would and have on several occasions both local and long distance and had some rewarding and long relationships from it. For myself now as I grow older and wiser and been around dating for a few years, I do not want to get attached to someone online until I can meet them in person and get to know them better. I just do not see the point in rushing it now since I've been single for over a year and am enjoying me time and figuring out what I want in life. I want Ms. perfect for me and I will wait. *smile*

*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)

Yes I have and have found some great friendships and was in one long relationship due to a blind date. I would do it again.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?

Depends, but more than likely I would as long as it's upfront, honest and no one is ill about it.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?

I say either. Just meet them first before you commit to more than just dating. I find most of my dates nowadays online and it's easier to get a feel for someone and chat and see if there are any interests there.
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[Apocalipstic]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
I met several people on line in the past...until...2 different people pretended to be someone else to talk to me. They made up entire personas to mess with my head...so unless someone has good references from people I know in person, can't do it.

*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
I would, but have only ever done it a couple of times. It was fun.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
Sure, in a town like Nashville it is hard to avoid.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life? Real life has worked better for me in the past....or maybe not? Since I am single now. Who knows?

[ruffryder]

After years of being in real relationships, I actually prefer online ones. I once dated, married, made love to, argued, and divorced a femme thousands of miles away for nearly three years all online. I did'nt speak more than a paragraph, or have to spend anything. or go anywhere. I did'nt have to do anything. In fact, it was the best relationship I ever had!;)

I can get some of this, but the speaking not more than a paragraph in 3 years?? .. and argued?

Sounds like one of those sex sites or maybe second life.. oh hell yeah those types of relationships are bomb. Is this what you are referring to?

I thought you said the "best relationship I never had." :/ Please explain how this is possible if you don't mind or are you being silly?

[WolfyOne]

Jagg...
Back to your original statement.
You will be single forever.

Virgin or Has Been Had.
The choice is yours.

(snort)


Julie, if JAGG don't want the virgin, I'll take her
I'm not afraid to explore the unexplored
I think teaching is a wonderful thing
Heck, who knows, I could learn something, too

[Apocalipstic]

No virgins for me thanks!

I value experience in a lovah.

[SugarLips]

I met several people on line in the past...until...2 different people pretended to be someone else to talk to me. They made up entire personas to mess with my head...so unless someone has good references from people I know in person, can't do it.

I actually knew someone who would do this to "test" their prospective others... It's crazy...

[Shadowboi2010]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?




1. I have, so I guess that implies that I would, and they always seem to be not in my local area.
2. I have gone on blind dates, it normally doesn't work well.
3, I would date someone who dated someone I know if they are cool with it, and the person wasn't insane.
4. I think dating online and dating RL both have their pros and cons, so its 6 to one, half dozen to another.

Jess :hangloose:

[WolfyOne]

No virgins for me thanks!

I value experience in a lovah.


What if you passed on a virgin that could've been your soul mate?

What if that virgin took direction and turned out to be a great lover?

Things you'll never know if you pass one up

And as for experience, a virgin is only as good as the teacher, but can sometimes pass the teacher easily

Just a few things to ponder

[*Anya*]

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"...and the person wasn't insane."
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I did not include this but yes, some semblance of sanity is definitely on the top of my criteria for dating someone!

[Blade]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
yes I have and would again date someone I met on a dating site or online forum
*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
No have never will never
*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
I'd date someone who had dated someone I know. It's doubtful I would date someone who had dated someone I consider a friend.
*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?
I actually like meeting people online first, building a friendship, meeting in RT and if something develops that is great if not then you have a great friendship. That said I don't do LDR's so an online meeting and pending relationship would be with someone in fairly close driving distance. Don't get me wrong, I like meeting in RT too but it seems less stressful to build a online relationship to start out. Less distractions.

[Silverseastar]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
I would definitely go out with someone I met online if the mental attraction was there, but I find irl is where I have met my dates, felt that energetic attraction and gone for it.

*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
This just sounds like a BAD idea. Finding connection is such a subtle art. How would anyone else know what makes us hot? I do think a social gathering with no pressure is cool though.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
Yes as long as they were not a friend (i.e. acquaintance only) and there were no bad "political" repercussions. It hasn't happened so far and I'm in a small Butch/femme community. Mind you I was in a long term relationship too.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?
I think in this day and age it happens all kinds of ways and I try not to evaluate it. Online does afford you the opportunity to see how the person thinks.

Oh and as for LDR's, after having one recently end because my partner could not take the distance piece (it was a first ldr for me) I'm really gun shy about the person being more than a few hours drive away. It was heartbreaking to have the distance be the deal breaker. Then again, I was okay with it because I'm more about the person and the type of connection when we could be together than things that kept us apart. But everyone is different.

[msW8ing]

Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
Yes i have. They key is both people MUST be honest. i've had LTR and made very dear friends from online. my best friend and i met in a chat room over 10 years ago, she is my soul sister and i hers. Although the LTR didn't last my friendships have. :)
*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
Oh Hell to the NO..i detest the "i have a lesbian friend that.." well i'm sure we've all heard the rest..oh lawd just because they are lesbian don't mean we're a match.lol bless their hearts they mean well. But NO.
*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
Although i never have..i guess it would have to depend on the circumstances.
*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?
Eh, six of one, half a dozen of the other..i think it's just the way society is leaning towards the computer and electronic ages..i'd prefer old fashioned wooing and courting myself..either way as i stated before HONESTY is a must when getting to know anyone in any kind of media/social situation. *sigh* whatever happened to the days of taking your time and getting to know one another??

[Gemme]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?



1. Yes, I have and would again.

2. I've never been on a blind date. I'm afraid who my friends would hook me up with.

3. Ebon dated one of my best friends before we got together. Before taking that boat, I spoke to both of them until *I* felt comfortable progressing with our relationship. Both were fine with it. If one had not been, that would have been the end of things.

4. There are pros and cons to both. Here, it's much easier (for me) to type the things that I need and want in a partner. That lets the person know upfront, who and what I'm looking for. IRL, it's a giant crapshoot. You may meet someone and you like them, but they aren't compatible with you in some major way and it's very sad when that happens. It can happen online too, if someone ignores the deal breakers of another or if someone plays the 'she obviously didn't mean ME/that/all the time' game, but I think it happens less often.

[Sachita]

So here is a question to all of you who would not date someone who dated someone you know...

Our community is fairly incestuous - be it online or real time. How can this be avoided? Seriously.

This is very true. On one hand I say no but the truth is that if you have chemistry then everything else goes out the window. Someone is going to know someone, some where. If I had serious chemistry with someone that use to date someone I knew well then I would talk to my friend and ask them how they felt. I would discuss it first. If I knew of them, just someone I knew but we were not good friends I wouldn't really care.

[Sachita]

In our community we often don't have a choice then to network and pursue people online. I've always used this venue to meet people, however I won't engage in a relationship online. I might get to know someone but soon after I want to arrange a meeting. If someone is long distance I need to know they can afford the time and money to come visit me to pursue the relationship. I will do the same. If that goes well after a while I think we need to sit down and decide how we will merge.

[ButchEire]

Lol, I haven't ever dated anyone on this site and I have but a single ex living in this town or even within thousands of miles of here. It would be more probable that I would date someone who doesn't know anyone I know than it is the opposite.

So here is a question to all of you who would not date someone who dated someone you know...

Our community is fairly incestuous - be it online or real time. How can this be avoided? Seriously.

[Rockinonahigh]

I once dated one of my best friends ex partner and didnt know it,they were together when they both were way younger wich was ovr ten years before.Then we met (all 4 of us ) for dinner one night...OMFG! When they saw each other I thought I was gonna need the popo..but it works out ok,but u bet we didnt doubble date again.

[clay]

Lol, I haven't ever dated anyone on this site and I have but a single ex living in this town or even within thousands of miles of here. It would be more probable that I would date someone who doesn't know anyone I know than it is the opposite.

ditto, Butcheire

[sanee66]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)

I once drove to Greenville Indiana to meet a woman I had been talking to from another chat site when she lived in Ohio. We ended up being together for 7 years, so the answer is yes, as long as I feel comfortable meeting them face to face and dont think anything "hinky" is going on lol.

*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)

I have never been on a blind date, but I might be open to the possibilty if the person or persons setting it up knew me well enough to know what I was looking for.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?

No I kind of agree with the other posts I have seen where you just dont want to deal with the gossip that is sure to accompany it. That and if someone tells you all about the person, there is nothing there to learn on you own.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?

I think both are full of endless possibilities! But having a real hard time finding people where I am lol.

Any other comments on this subject would be great.....these are just questions off the top of my head. :deepthoughts:

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[Strappie]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)

Yes, I have and I am currently. We met here in BFP

*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)

I did once on a dare, it was more of a prank set up by her friends. If ya want to know the story I started a thread about Blind dates a while back.
As for now, I would not do a blind date. It's just not my style.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?

I try to stay away from those situations. I'm not one to date a friends heartbreak.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?

There are some PRO's to dating long distance. One is all you have is communication so it forces you to get to know each other which is so important. If you are honest with each other you learn how to work out differences or if you can't then you know that person is not for you. You have to remember that when you see each other if it's once a month or a couple months before seeing each other that it's still some what of a vacation, it's not everyday living. If you can't live without them... DON'T MOVE THEM IN, if you can live separately (in the same city) for even a few months if not a year.

On the CON side of things, not having that person with you once a week or even more for that matter does suck. If you are the type of person that has to or can't live with out the sight and touch of the other person this may not be for you.

I can't say if online or in person is better? If you meet someone from your own city. Do you really get to know them the way you get to know someone online (yes and no) if you were to go out on your first date (in person) you may not ask the "questions" you really need to know. Such as Top. bottom, Sub, Dom or the many questions that people are a bit shy to ask right away to see if there is even that dynamic you are looking for. Online makes it much easier to ask those hard questions. I think it teaches you to communicate right away. Learning to talk to each other is so important I can't stress enough.

[deedarino]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)

Of course, it's too hard to find a good butch just anywhere...;-)

*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)

Hate 'em. Everybody has an opinion as to what you need, usually doesn't include you in any way, shape, or form.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?

No, probably not. That is kinda creepy.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?

I guess any way you can find someone who compliments you is a good thing. Online can be a great way to meet someone (and have fun) but IRL is important eventually.

I have had a couple of bad experiences and a couple of good experiences with on-line...people can easily be what they want to be, not what they truly are. Sometimes, dangerously so.

Sorry, just coming off a bad one...

[Cuddles]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)

I would and have. I've had two long term relationships that began online from a gaming community. Even though they ended I still think online dating is a great way to get to know someone. Usually both people feel comfortable enough to let their guard down and open up.


*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)

No. They aren't going to know what it is I'm really searching for.


*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?

I'd have to have more information to answer this. Was it a brief fling and the person I know is totally cool with it? Just hard to answer that one.


*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?

I think both have their pros and cons. I don't think one is better than the other but I do know that online dating is harder!

[Ciaran]

Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)

Yes, I have done so and think that this is perfectly normal and healthy. However, I wouldn't / couldn't "date" someone online. Rather, via online media, I've been able to meet (in real-life) some interesting people and date.

Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)

Have done so and have had some very enjoyable and fun nights out as a result.

Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?

Yes. I wouldn't have a problem with this at all in most circumstances. The only difficulty I would have would be where my friend had been in a full blown relationship with the other person and still had strong feelings for the person or was feeling hurt emotionally. Likely, I'd still be happy to date this someone but it woukd create an unwelcome complication.

Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?

I think that either can be great in that you can meet what become fantastic friends or fantastic partners via online or in real-life. However, generally, real life can be better in terms of initial interaction as, for me, it's so much easier to get idea of who someone is and what they are by interacting with them in the flesh and looking in their eyes.

In my experience, a person's online persona is typically different from their real-life persona. In most cases, there's nothing disingenuous about that - it's just that we are much more multi-layered in real-life, for good and bad, than we can be online. Of course, there are those who are rather disingenuous online and, in addition, some crazy people can appear normal online. Therefore, the real-life method is a better filter mechanism for me.

[pinkgeek]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)

You try living on butchless island 2400 miles from anywhere and see just how long you won't do long distance..... Luckily I like frequent flyer miles a lot.. :)

*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)

I did and omg I have some ammmmmmmazing stories....Like the hobbit......

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?

really.small.swiming.pool - nearly everyone I know has slept with or seen everyone else naked... sooooooo...

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?

I've done both and in all reality I'd have been just as crushed out on my ex's either way.. And besides - assholes can hide behind a drink glass as readily as they can hid behind a computer screen!

:moonstars:

[laruss]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)

Yes, I have and fell in love and I think it is a great way to meet people.

*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)

I met my first husband that way and am open to it.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?

Yes, because the person you know would be a great reference.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?

Both are great. I am open to any way of meeting new people.

[sarahwho]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
Yes I would and yes I have


*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
I have, but......not working out so well.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
sure, unless it would create hard feelings w/my friend.


*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?
What's the difference really? In the end, you meet.....maybe gives you an opportunity to meet someone that you would have otherwise not having had the chance of meeting and getting to know.

[calibri]

Not that the OP didn't raise an interesting question, but the very idea of "real life VERSUS online dating (http://badoo.com)" suggests that they're mutually exclusive. I think they can compliment each other to give you a bigger overall pool of people to interact with.

[sara-bera]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both) - Yes, I have and I still do.

*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers) - I have, but my friends are not very good at picking out my dates. They do try hard and I appreciate them.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know? - Yes, unless it caused strife somehow.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life? - I think both have their qualities. I do like being in the same room with someone a lot, though. It helps to know if there is chemistry (the happy intermingling of pheromones).

[imperfect_cupcake]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)

I have. Quite a few times. I've met people from three different forums, dating sites and chat rooms. I've had long term relationships with people I've met that way.


*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)

Well not blind dates, per say. But I have had friends organise a social eve and invite me and someone they think I would get on with. Or they've invited me and their single friend they'd like me to hook up with to the same event. It's pretty normal in my expereince for people to do this. I think it's rather generous and kind. I met one partner this way.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?

Considering the small size of the entire community, this would be impossible if I didn't. One of my exes in San Fran wound up being a very close friend of someone I was dating in London. There are seven dykes on the planet and the rest is done with mirrors.

I've dated many people that are known to others, and my friends have set me up on dates with their exes if they think we'd get on. I personally have no issue with someone I know or a friend dating one of my exes - as long as there has been enough time for me to get over it.

It's not *really* my biz if someone dates one of my exes. As the saying goes "not my monkeys, not my circus" and if I am truly over my ex, I can leave them to their privacy about it.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?



I could say "it doesn't really matter" but to be totally honest, the relationships I've had with meeting people for romance the meat world has turned out better in that the relationships lasted much longer, they were local to where I was, we had friends in common and it was easy to upkeep the relationship.

From the net, it has usually been with some kind of distance which made easy physical contact difficult, no shared social spaces, and usually those things tended to give rise to dishonesty and more work to upkeep anything long term.

Other users milage may vary. My expereince is certainly not par for the course.

[starryeyes]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)

Yes! I have had several relationships with people I have met online, both locally and long distance.


*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)

I have never been on a blind date, but I wouldn't mind. I might questions some of my friend's judgement as to the type I prefer to date, but I am open to meeting new people, regardless of it materializing into a relationship. Friendships are great too!

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?

Depends who. A close friend, absolutely not! I value my friendships too much, and it would bother me if a close friend was with an ex of mine. If it is an acquaintance, maybe. I guess it depends!! :-D

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?

I would love to meet someone in my local area, of course, but that isn't always possible. The Internet gives us such a broad spectrum of people to connect with, I think it's more likely to find someone compatible, especially in our community which is already small. As long as the person embodies the qualities I am looking for, I am ok with either. :)

[Dude]

[B]*


I could say "it doesn't really matter" but to be totally honest, the relationships I've had with meeting people for romance the meat world has turned out better in that the relationships lasted much longer, they were local to where I was, we had friends in common and it was easy to upkeep the relationship.



Meat world has always worked the best for me too bwahhaha! Except for maybe that one time in a Seattle bar ,standing at the wall referred to as the meat rack. I was an out of towner and clueless why women were looking me over. Their come hither looks were completely lost on me. Finally, someone explained it all to me which was hysterical. I kept thinking, they wanted to rumble :| brilliantly dense - I still Have It like that ;]

[Jesse]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both) Yes I would, and have, gone out with femmes I have met online, both local and long distance.

*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
I have never been on a blind date before. I would likely want to set it up as a coffee date first to make sure that we both felt comfortable and then either continue it into a dinner date or set a future 2nd date.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know? This would depend on the individual situation. If the person is an ex of an acquaintance, then possibly, again it depends on the situation. If the person is an ex of a close friend of mine, no. I would not want to risk losing the close friendship on the possibility of a new relationship working out.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life? To me, dating locally would be the ideal but I have not found the local Trans/femme dating pool as of yet. I prefer to date queer femmes because they usually understand where I am coming from and vice versa, plus I love the queer energy and the dance...not many queer femmes around where I live. That said, long distance dating can be fun and work well with clear communication and effort by both parties.

[Tuff Stuff]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
Yes,did it,would do it again.

*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
Sure,why not.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
Yes,did it...

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?
Both.


Well,that was fun..:blink:

[Ender]

*Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)
I've never gone out with someone I've met online, but if I trusted the person enough online, and we knew each other for a little while, I'd be open to meeting someone online, however I'm a huge introvert and kind of awkward when meeting people online, so my hopes of finding someone online feel pretty slim...

*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
I have never been on a blind date, but I would be open to it, if it was set up by someone I knew.

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
Depends on the circumstances. If the person I knew was ok with it, then I might.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?
I prefer meeting people irl rather than online, but I'll keep my options open, and it seems like meeting people online is a little easier.

[indigo]

Do you (or would you) go out with someone you met online, such as from a dating site, chat room, BFP, etc.? (this can be local or long distance or both)

Yes, why not. Important for me is, to have at least an idea about the personality of the other person, to have a feeling for what/ who to expect and which expectations the other person has.


*Do you go out on blind dates? (set up by friends, co-workers)
Nah, not really my thing. Never say never, though...

*Would you go out with someone who has dated someone you know?
Never was in a situation like this, I assume rather not, especially when that someone is a close friend of mine.

*Which do you think is better: meeting and dating people from an online source, or meeting and dating people you meet in real life?
People that I already met in real life, because I prefer to watch from a save distance before a "date-like situation" develops. Still, one of my projects for next year is to become a bit more courageous on respect thereof.