View Full Version : Lessons Learned: Would You or Would You Not.....
Kenna
01-11-2012, 08:01 PM
(let's see if I can get a poll started without any phone pad typos or foot -in-mouth statements)..... If you were approached by a friend and asked "what do you know about [this person]?..... Would you answer? ...Do you feel obligated to answer a trusted friend? .....Are you quick to answer or do you refrain from getting "in the middle"?...... disclaimer: over the last few months, I've been asked that question by several different people about several other different persons, all non-related situations. I struggle answering because I feel it's gossiping.
Strappie
01-11-2012, 09:24 PM
I know what people say about me. It's not nice.. I think there are way too many people that are quick to judge and haven't a CLUE as to what they are talking about. In my case, if they "really knew me" they would know I'm far from it.
I try my best not to say a whole lot for the fact that if the two people start dating and if I said horrible stuff about the person and then those two people stay together for a long time WHO LOOKS LIKE THE FOOL? That would be me because you know the person I said it to will eventually tell them. So I try to stay out of it as much as I can.
Whenever asked such a thing, I am always on guard....even if it is a trusted friend asking.
I always want to know 3 things. 1. what do they really want to know? 2. why do they want to know it? 3. why are they asking me in particular?
Their answers help me decide how to answer them or avoid answering them. Anything I choose to share is based on my own personal experience with someone and always with a positive spin (karma stuff ya know).
This, to me, is just sharing facts of my own experience. I dont consider this gossiping.
Gemme
01-11-2012, 10:03 PM
I would answer honestly but as kind as I could.
For example, let's say I have a friend John and my other friend Regina asked me about John. I might say he's a good writer, funny and nice but he does like to drink.
*Note* I'm making these people and issues up for the sole sake of the question.
Why would I tell someone something like that? Well, maybe Regina has been in an alcohol-fueled violent relationship before and maybe John gets mean when he drinks. I would be doing what I felt was in the best interest of Regina by mentioning that to her. Did I say he's a raging alcoholic? No. I was referencing something that I knew would be a major trigger for her if that were the case.
Is it gossiping? Yes. Every time anyone says anything about anyone else, it's gossip. We all gossip. I think the intention plays heavily in situations like this.
pajama
01-12-2012, 06:52 AM
I am usually very particular about who/how I make my own opinions of people. I tend not to listen to other peoples gossip about how people are, I just get to know them on my own. We are all different, to some degree, in different situations. So I try to refrain from making an opinion about someone until I get to know them myself.
When asked about someone. I'm honest. I am also extremely honest is pointing out that what I am saying is ONLY MY OPINION. I also don't relay what I've heard about someone from a third party, unless it is the same conclusion that I have come to. I only keep it to what I have observed.
But I openly admit I am a HUGE gossip. :|
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Tawse
01-12-2012, 06:57 AM
Having been in both positions. (really is there a person who has NEVER asked another persons opinion about someone??? really????)
I like Gemma's approach - both in giving and receiving.
I've had my best friend have an all out feud with someone and yet I befriended that person despite that.
I'll listen to what you have to say - and then I'll use MY brain to see what I think. But I do appreciate being warned that XYZ enjoys smoking pot... because I have issues with that and would probably wonder why a friend failed to mention that fact to me if they knew my issues with the subject matter.
*Anya*
01-12-2012, 07:07 AM
This situation always feels set up for failure to me.
Do they really want the truth as you personally see it and have personally experienced it?
They may not really be asking for truth, just validation of what they have already decided to do or what they want to keep on doing.
I would only share what my personal experience was- not gossip.
I remember playing the "telephone game" as a kid and what the last person heard was never what the first person said.
Chancie
01-12-2012, 07:18 AM
I wouldn't be having this conversation at all with someone I did not know very well, and who did not know me very well.
I would share information about someone I knew well, but not someone with whom I had merely interacted a few times online.
I would share my impressions of someone I interacted with online, but I would be clear that I had never met the person and that I was just relating what I knew of them superficially.
I would not filter what I shared based on my personal interpretation of what I thought that person needed to hear. That's none of my business.
In most cases, if someone wants to know something specific, I usually encourage them to ask the other person directly.
But, if I have concrete first hand knowledge of behavior which I believe to be dangerous to others, I would certainly take the risk of sharing that information, regardless of whether I had been asked, and regardless of the potential fall out.
1QuirkyKiwi
01-12-2012, 08:47 AM
I tend not to listen to other peoples gossip about how people are, I just get to know them on my own. We are all different, to some degree, in different situations. So I try to refrain from making an opinion about someone until I get to know them myself.
When asked about someone. I'm honest. I am also extremely honest is pointing out that what I am saying is ONLY MY OPINION. I also don't relay what I've heard about someone from a third party, unless it is the same conclusion that I have come to. I only keep it to what I have observed.
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This is me to a T! I take each person on their own merit....should the gossip turn out to be true, then I at least know this from my own experiences.
I don't always get this courtesy back and some have admitted they were wrong about me and apologised.
ruffryder
01-12-2012, 09:16 AM
I would answer, but let them know it's what I know and how the person to be and it's just my opinion. I don't feel obligated, I'll just do it if someone asks my opinion. If it's a really good, close friend and I see them getting close to someone I know is sketchy I will tell them how I feel even if they don't ask because I'm a friend and I care about them and if they get hurt. I don't see it as getting in the middle. The person can get to know them for themself and usually they do. What I refrain from doing is staying out of drama and judging people before I get to know them for myself.
Glenn
01-12-2012, 09:16 AM
Sweet; Slowly, with time, You actually will achieve that zenlike feeling of existence that is of the utmost importance: YOU TRULY WON'T GIVE A ****.
LaneyDoll
01-12-2012, 09:44 AM
My answer would depend on the parties involved. If a close, trusted friend were to ask the question, they are more likely to get an in-depth answer. If the asker was someone I barely knew or someone I am unsure of, they are going to get factual answers only.
Most of the people I interact with are in my lifestyle community. Since I am probably considered to be a leader in this community, I have to often stay neutral/unbiased etc. My reputation took years to earn and I will not throw it away on anything that could be perceived as gossip.
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Honey
01-12-2012, 11:07 AM
I think too we must ask of ourselves and others- Is this who that person IS .or is this who that person is with ME. Also, ppl change over time...I know I am not the same person today that I was 10 yrs ago...ppl change , learn, process and evolve...If they are doing it correctly.....
Apocalipstic
01-12-2012, 11:41 AM
In our community it is important that we be able to ask for references or know that someone is who they say they are. I think being able to ask a few questions and get references is a way to stay safe.
Beyond that, I agree that we all have different interactions with different people and react really differently to different people. Also, as humans we grow and change. Just because someone used to drink a lot, or used to be a jerk does not mean they still are...or that they will be a jerk to you.
People act really differently when they are having all their buttons pushed. I myself act really differently depending on how I am treated. We ALL do.
So I would answer the question but make sure they know that it's my opinion and reaction to this person, and that their experience might be different.
(shhhhhh!!!! Strappie has an icing addiction shhhhhhh!!!! gossip alert)
starryeyes
01-12-2012, 11:41 AM
Refrain!! Make your own assumptions. Everyone has different perspectives. I have heard crap about people before I met them, and they ended up being amazing folks!
But! If you hear they might be dangerous or something like that... I would look into it.
JustJo
01-12-2012, 12:56 PM
I've been one who asked. :)
Honestly, I would like to know if there is something serious I should be aware of....and I'd also like to know if the "reference" is a good one too.
I recently asked about someone....not randomly or haphazardly or in general...but someone that I knew actually KNEW the person I was asking about...and someone whose opinion I trusted.
I'm very glad I did.
Now....would I reach out and offer my opinion without being asked? No. My feeling is that, if someone wants to know, they will ask me.
Would I give an opinion about someone I didn't know well? No, I'd decline.
Would I give an honest, factual account of someone that I did know well? Yep.
Recently a friend sent me a Facebook message asking if an ex of mine was "safe" because she was meeting him for lunch after meeting him through my Facebook. I have thought they would be a great match for some time but a mutual friend mentioned this woman tears men to shreds. And so I responded - "way safer than you! But seriously I'm not sure what your definition of "safe" is, but he won't rape or kill you or anything and he's a pretty good conversationalist."
She found this funny and said he was a "sweetie" but I think it might have been a one time meeting, alas. They really would make an excellent couple.
I will talk people up, but I'm really trying not to speak badly about people or share info that's not mine to share.
The older I get the more I realize we all have flaws, and even if I have had a bad experience with a person, that doesn't mean another person would. When I was single, I was warned about pretty much every person I flirted with by some person or other, and most of those warnings never applied. The warnings I should have heeded were the ones who warned me about themselves.
For people I consider premeditatedly predatory, I prefer not to speak about them either. Besides, anybody with healthy boundaries and google can find a list of red flags and be willing to utilize it.
Sachita
01-12-2012, 02:14 PM
OMG I deal with this all the time! My son and the baby mama who is like my daughter. But I flat out tell them both (or anyone else in the same situation) I will listen, offer my opinion but I don't get involved by exchanging information. I make it very clear that I will not be in the middle and the first sign of drama my ass becomes distant until the work it out.
The ONLY time I engage in any kind of gossip is with a very close girlfriend and that's just how we roll. There are very few people in my life I'll carry on this way. I'm all about girl code. If someone breaks up, a couple and they were both friends I must always take girlfriends side. I am friendly with the other just at an arm's distance. I would never hook up, flirt or be with a girlfriends ex no matter how many years they were apart. Girlfriend code is sacred to me.
chefhmboyrd
01-12-2012, 04:30 PM
as long as you are being forthright and truly have someone's best interest in mind, one should refrain from any overtly negative comments. When in doubt, bow out. Something like, " i don't know much about them" which is usually true, will suffice in any situation.
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Hi Ya'll:cowboy:
Kenna
01-13-2012, 07:19 AM
Interesting ...very interesting. I'm learning and absorbing a lot from everyone's responses and positive dialog. Can't thank you enough. It always helps to see multiple sides of a question or issue and be open to suggestions or new ways of thinking.
girl_dee
01-13-2012, 07:45 AM
way too many variables to answer this. It's a case by case thing but mostly it sounds like gossip to me.
My thing is if person A wants person B to know something about themselves (or not) they will tell them... they only way I would share any significant personal info is if I knew for sure someone was about to put themselves in a harmful situation.
I figure if it's somebody else's business it's really not mine to tell...
Like decades ago a group of clique-y uptight lesbians told a woman who I was dating I was bad news because I was a wild one, party, rock & roll, black leather etc.... thankfully she listened to her heart about me because now that's she's older and has some health issues I'm the ONLY one out to her house helping her, making sure she still has gardens every year, fixing her house for her even know they are all still around and friends with her... I'm like just stop w/ the holier than thou talk peoples (not you peoples ; ) and walk the walk...
MsMerrick
01-13-2012, 09:03 AM
(let's see if I can get a poll started without any phone pad typos or foot -in-mouth statements)..... If you were approached by a friend and asked "what do you know about [this person]?..... Would you answer? ...Do you feel obligated to answer a trusted friend? .....Are you quick to answer or do you refrain from getting "in the middle"?...... disclaimer: over the last few months, I've been asked that question by several different people about several other different persons, all non-related situations. I struggle answering because I feel it's gossiping.
Assuming that it is a trusted friend, and they have some good reason to know..ie they are considering dating them, lending them money, whatever ..because I am not interested in discussing people simply to amuse someone..here is how i answer
1... Here are the things i know about the person ( and of course good and bad ) because I have observed this behavior , interacted with them, and seen specific things.
2.. These are things i have heard about them , from people, that I don't consider to be drama queens or people that make stuff up just to make themselves feel important !
3.. Depending on a lot of factors, I may get into general speculation that I have heard, but I'll stress, the lack of reliability.. Whereas with #1 , I consider that information fairly reliable, and #2, again, I can usually attach a percentage of how likely I think the information is.
And btw, I try always, to stick to behavior vs ..general statements about character.
WolfyOne
01-13-2012, 09:28 AM
I got a story once from someone that knew one of my exes and she told me, you're nothing like your ex described you to me. I'm glad I finally got to meet you and am able to draw my own conclusion of you as a person. She went on to say, btw, your ex must have told this to others, if she was able to tell it to me.
So, I never judge anyone because I despise being judged by others
I tell you what I know or what I may have heard, but will tell you it is hearsay
I don't care for those that instigate because they need to see the outcome
I'm very much open with my words, so if you don't want to hear my truth, don't ask me
amiyesiam
01-14-2012, 03:21 AM
THis is interesting. Because how people treat you and react to you has a lot to do with how You yourself act and behave and what your own boundaries are.
I rarely have problems with people, even people who seem to cause others problems.
I would never give my opinion about another human being that I did not actually know in real life and then only in certain circumstances.
There are always at least 2 sides to stories/situations. And behaviors can be triggered by both sides, sometimes it is just 2 people together and alone they are much better people.
ways to handle such questions:
1. I don't know that person well enough to feel comfortable answering that question.
2. Please understand that I am close to the person you are asking about and you understand I don't feel comfortable discussing them without their knowing. You know I would do the same for you.
3. If you really don't know anything bad about that person: I only know that person at (work/school/on line/church) and I have not had any negative experiences with them.
4. If you think the person being asked about might actually want you to provide some info (such as 2 friends liking each other) Well, if you really want me to answer you honestly, I will ask (so and so) if they would mind me providing some info. (then actually ask if it is ok to share)
5. If you actually know the good/bad/ugly about someone first hand and know the person asking has no real reason to be asking. Ask them why do you want to know and I find that asking a person directly is always best. You understand that I would do the same for you also. (this has the amazing effect of shutting people up fast)
6. You have heard stories but have no first hand info or you know what happened and know that person does not want others to know (things like write ups at work, miscarriages, marital issues etc) Honestly I will bold face lie (I hate nosy people) so I say things like: I don't know. They have not discussed that with me. I had not heard anything about that.
7. and sometimes you just have to tell people: Would you want people talking about you? and I don't think it is fair to discuss so and so when they are not here to defend themselves.
Now there are consequences to implementing any/all of the above. People will stop asking you about things that are none of their business and people will stop telling you everyone else's business and you will find that there is very little drama in your life, and you will actually be clueless about what is going on around you in other peoples lives unless they themselves tell you directly. You will find that some people come to you to vent cause they know you understand that it is venting and know you won't repeat it. Also your telephone time will drop dramatically and you will have more time to do the actual things you enjoy in life.
And lastly: To people who ask others for their opinions about others, please realize that you may be putting the person you are asking in a very uncomfortable position, especially if the person you are asking is close to you and the person you are asking about or if you know the person you are asking does know confidential information and you ask anyway or if the person you are asking has heard stuff but wasn't actually involved.
Honestly, you are being ballsy and rude and not nice to do this to others. At least have the curtesy to tell the person you are asking that it is ok if they don't feel comfortable answering.
Soft*Silver
01-14-2012, 03:55 AM
I had an ex (from another site, long ago) who would bait the new people in her exes life to talk to her about the ex. Behind the scenes, talk to them about her ex and give them the "scoop" on what she put them through. (Knowing this about her behaviors in the past, I assume she did this with me too when we broke up.) You have to wonder what the agenda really is for someone to do this. It was obvious she wasnt over the ex. And that she had to clear her own name.
so sometimes when people hunker up next to you to ask what you know about so and so, its not to protect you, its to deflower a new start. Sour grapes, so to speak.
Two really good people can get involved and have a disastrous relationship. Until I got honest with myself and acknowledged that I was getting into one disastrous relationship after another with people who also were doing that, i kept repeating the same relationship. I have broken the cycle by not getting involved that way.
so if anyone wants to know something about me, they can just ask me themselves. I will be honest. As honest as I can see it currently. Honesty is like an onion with layers of truth mixed with tears.
but what if people dont have the gumption to ask me directly but want to ask someone else about me?
I would expect people to tell others about me that I am a difficult person and not easy to have a relationship with and that I am in recovery and cant handle being around active addiction and that by my own words, I am more off center than not. and that I can be vicious when cornered (but who isnt) and am OCD about horses. And can be oversensitive as well as insensitive and that I can start shit as well as end it, depending on where I am in my mental health continuum.
feel free to add whatever you wish, if people ask you about me. I have learned that we all carry chapters around with us, about the people we meet. I think Dorothy would be a whiny little bitch or a strong independent young blossoming woman instead of a lost little girl if she were put in different novels. The story is as its told by those who read it, as much as it its told by the one who writes it...
Martina
01-14-2012, 04:56 AM
i also wouldn't offer much to a casual acquaintance unless i thought they were at risk, which is fairly unlikely. If someone i know and trust asks me how i feel about someone, i will be honest. i have grown more discreet over the years. So i am not going to confide in relative strangers. i used to. It hasn't worked out that well for me in recent years. i like people who are open like that though. People who just lay it out there.
Sachita
01-14-2012, 07:32 AM
Like decades ago a group of clique-y uptight lesbians told a woman who I was dating I was bad news because I was a wild one, party, rock & roll, black leather etc.... thankfully she listened to her heart about me because now that's she's older and has some health issues I'm the ONLY one out to her house helping her, making sure she still has gardens every year, fixing her house for her even know they are all still around and friends with her... I'm like just stop w/ the holier than thou talk peoples (not you peoples ; ) and walk the walk...
Things are not always as they appear. I have a little 23 year old, tattooed, piercings everywhere, purple haired, maybe 90 pound little baby dyke who pulled up for a job. A few people looked at me like I was crazy but I believe in giving everyone a chance, at least once. She out worked any man out here and people twice her age. I enjoy doing things for her- maybe buying her a shirt, a jacket, extra gas money, etc. Her roommate, who I also know, made a comment that I was a dirty old woman coming onto her. Needless to say it was gossip and the furthest thing on my mind. I like them younger but not younger then my son! I enjoy helping her because she deserves someone to give her a chance. People would rather talk about her.
You know I hear so much shit about me from third parties. I even hear gossip stemming from people I don't even know. I am convinced that it is driven by jealousy and insecurity. All things I am not, therefore I refuse to contribute. The best proof of this is that the people that talk the most do the least and within a reasonable amount of time vanish. I've learned that its best just to let the natural order of things play out. If someone needs to know something that bad, (or know me for that matter) they will invest the time and not listen to others.
Sometimes I wish someone would have warned me about a few people I could have done without in my life, however in hindsight I see how necessary the journey. Even if they had said something I probably would have still checked it out for myself.
Blade
01-14-2012, 01:56 PM
For me it would depend on many variables.
Safety being of the utmost importance. If I knew someones safety was at risk I'd say so.
It would also depend on how well I knew the fisherman and the fish. I don't know many people online well enough to share information with them that I know about someone else I only know from online. Unless it were someone of great integrity. Simply because knowing someone online is way different than knowing someone in RT and having RT knowledge of who this person/s are.
The thing is it seems the fisherman, especially online, isn't really looking for the good things about the catch, they already know many good things. They are fishing for the other stuff. The stuff that might send up a red flag.
In RT yep I'd spill the beans if I knew something that was important enough to bring to the surface. I know this person beats women, uses drugs, is a sex offender, has a criminal past, is a snake in the grass etc. I'd mention the good stuff to.
I would only share info I knew to be factual. Witnessed info, or something with proof or continual bad behavior or behaviors I had seen first hand.
Vlasta
01-14-2012, 04:50 PM
as far I am concerned it depends on the situation . When two people are already involved no matter what do you say on the end you will end as a bad guy .
From my experience when a gun was waived in my face , I would definitely warn a person since I was frozen and didn't know what will happened next . On the other occasion when my so call butch was bisexual I would warn you too for your safety and leave it up to you what you will choose to do , even if I would ended as a bad guy .
otherwise , when my partners confined to me about a sexual abuse or other traumatic events in they life , I wouldn't never reveal that to nobody . It's up to them who they choose to tell .
Gossip it's just a gossip , unless you lived with me and things didn't work out between us , because I am demanding on personal hygiene , clean house , please shot your mouth .
Ciaran
01-15-2012, 01:18 AM
Clearly it is different where there's a potential physical safety issue (emotional abuse is something of a greyer area, in my opinion, as the label of "emotionally abusive" is one that too many people can attach to ex-partners for a whole host of reasons, some of which may not reflect actual emotional abuse), but, otherwise, I find that many people are all too willing and enthusiastic to interfere under the pretence of trying to be helpful or supportive, when it's nothing of the case.
Also, I'd like to think that if someone asked an opinion on someone else from that person's ex-partner that they would have the common sense to treat these views with an appropriate level of caution given that, as an ex-partner, their viewpoint will potentially be rather biased and slanted.
hahahahaha I'm so out of the loop.. I didn't know what "quoin" meant ...*still chuckling*
softheart
01-15-2012, 08:02 AM
I for one. don't feel it's gossip, if you tell what you know about someone as long as it's a fact. For example , I might say, oh I know she was looking to change jobs recently, because she asked if my company was hiring. And she dated so and so for about 3 years and has been single for awhile.
Now if it's a real close friend I would tell them what I know and also what I have heard. Stressing that I have heard other people say this and I don't know how true it is, but keep it in the back of your mind.
If someone asks , and you know something about this person and it's not good, I think you would be doing an injustice to them not to say so.
I would want to know the truth. Who wants to invest their time and energy, and yes heart, only to be crushed by a cheater, a player or worse.
Then while dealing with the pain and heartache, a friend tells you , I couldn't believe you were dating them anyway, as much as they have cheated and lied in the past, I thought everybody knew blah blah blah.
JustJo
01-15-2012, 10:28 AM
Also, I'd like to think that if someone asked an opinion on someone else from that person's ex-partner that they would have the common sense to treat these views with an appropriate level of caution given that, as an ex-partner, their viewpoint will potentially be rather biased and slanted.
I think this is an important distinction. I would never ask an ex-partner for a perspective...too many other things can be at play.
Also...it's perfectly possible for two good people to bring out the worst in each other. Any feedback from that ex-partner is going to be tainted by that experience.
So....I would also never give an opinion about an ex-partner of mine either. Someone who brought out the worst in me may bring out the best in someone else....and should be given that chance without interference.
If I'm asking for input, it's going to be from someone who has known that person, in real life, for an extended period of time....someone whose judgment I trust....and someone who has not been romantically involved with them.
Shadownthemind
01-15-2012, 03:53 PM
This situation always feels set up for failure to me.
Do they really want the truth as you personally see it and have personally experienced it?
They may not really be asking for truth, just validation of what they have already decided to do or what they want to keep on doing.
I would only share what my personal experience was- not gossip.
I remember playing the "telephone game" as a kid and what the last person heard was never what the first person said.
I agree with you. When asked what I think of someone I only speak what I know from first hand experiance not from what others have told me
Mr Nice Guy
01-15-2012, 04:48 PM
I would be honest and refrain from saying anything negative. I would hope someone would do that for me.
Legendryder
01-15-2012, 07:28 PM
If a friend of mine asked me directly what I knew about someone, the first thing out of my mouth would be "my personal experience with this person is..........". Unless I had never met the person, then I would say, "I do not know this person" regardless of what I have heard someone else say about them. I put no merit in second hand information. I do not care about gossip, never have. I tend to get a bit rude when someone begins to talk smack about anyone else. Honestly, it is none of my business. I also do not care what is said about me. I learned a long time ago, what someone else thinks about me is NONE OF MY BUSINESS!!! I am an adult. At least I try to be an adult. As long as Bob thinks I am great, the rest is gravy.
AtLast
01-16-2012, 12:25 PM
This situation always feels set up for failure to me.
Do they really want the truth as you personally see it and have personally experienced it?
They may not really be asking for truth, just validation of what they have already decided to do or what they want to keep on doing.
I would only share what my personal experience was- not gossip.
I remember playing the "telephone game" as a kid and what the last person heard was never what the first person said.
Most of the time, I think it is a set-up, too. Yes, the "telephone game" remains!
If I have actual, personal information about something like a person being dangerous (physically or emotionally), I would disclose it. But, the thing that I am more interested in with this whole matter is the "motovation" behind the question(s).
Even when I have had a falling-out with someone, I still keep whatever we may have shared confidential. It's called having honor and integrity.
Unndunn
01-16-2012, 01:05 PM
apparently I'm really out of the game because I have no idea what a qoin is. Can someone please help a butch out?
Kenna
01-21-2012, 10:11 PM
apparently I'm really out of the game because I have no idea what a qoin is. Can someone please help a butch out?
Lmao!!! Did I spell it wrong or my auto correct "flip" it from heads to tails incorrectly? *looks up again.... smacks forehead* Coin!! Silly me! Typing on this damn phone and trying to get all the words in the right little box is a challenge sometimes ....
Thank you everyone for such wonderful responses and diverse opinions. I enjoyed "seeing " different thoughts.
Ginger
04-14-2012, 05:04 PM
Once this butch was showing a little social interest in me and his ex (who was my friend at the time) warned me to stay away from him; she said he was bad scary psycho news...
She also enlisted a couple well meaning mutual acquaintances of ours to join her in discouraging me from getting to know her ex.
I was still shaky at that time from another situation I'd been through, and was new to the scene, and not up for any kind of risk, so I cut off contact with this particular butch.
Eventually, though, all us realized that the femme warning me off, was the problem. And I also slowly realized that it was jealousy that had fueled her "protectiveness" of me.
I still feel bad about listening to what amounted to mischaracterization about an innocent person. And my god, what are we, in the seventh grade???
*************
That said, in the following years I would always ask, What do you know about this person? to a trusted confidante, when I was dating or even just flirting in the threads with someone.
In online communities where identities can be masked in so many ways, I think it's reasonable to get feedback from someone whose opinion you trust, who has been around the block a few times with different groups, and has a lot of real-time contact with folks from all over.
I don't consider this gossip; I consider it intelligence gathering, and I assess the validity of the intelligence as I would any other kind of evidence.
In the end, while I might take this information into account, I make a decision based on personal experience with the person.
The ironic part is that once my emotions and libido kick in, my ability to be objective and look out for myself, are really compromised. I'm afraid that isn't going to change, though I always hoped it would.
Blade
10-30-2012, 02:26 PM
After rereading this thread, the question came to mind. If you had ask person A about person B. Would you believe what they had said? Would you take a step back and slow down, pay closer attention or would you think oh he/she was just that way with so and so. Or he/she isn't like that with me and ignore person A's warnings. Do you pay attention to the good things person A says about person B even though you have heard some not so favorable things about person B. How many people's opinions is enough? I mean could everyone be wrong/right?
imperfect_cupcake
10-30-2012, 02:53 PM
Oh I'd answer if it was a friend, of course! They are asking for my opinion on what I know. Most of my friends are mature enough to make up their own minds - they are asking for information that could be important. For example, a friend called Flick started dating someone local and asked me and a mate what we thought as she was feeling hesitant. It's a good thing she asked. Niether of us knew she had gone out with him. He had a restraining order from his last gf and drank and got into fights. So we told her.
I hope to hell that if I ask a friend "hey you know so and so right? she's asked me out. You know anything I should know?" someone tells me. Last time someone did that was my detached wife... she told me "LINDA??? oh jesus Barb. yeah, she's dapper and funny. But she is absolutely mental. I love her to bits but Barb, I think you've had a hard enough time recently to put up with her heavy drinking and inability to to have a quiet night in. Your choice and you often don't listen to me, but I think you are asking for trouble. "
I went out with her keeping this information in mind and it backed up what I saw in one date.
There is nothing at all wrong with asking friends for their opinion on clothes, neighbourhoods, or people. As long as we keep in mind it's an opinion and nothing more - unless it's some facts, like a restraining order has been taken out etc.
kittygrrl
10-30-2012, 07:41 PM
"an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
However, personally I've always been very careful about giving my (so called) opinion..but sure if someone is a real trainwreck..i might be tempted but rilly when it comes to relationships..if there is smoke there is usually a fire and anything you say to someone whose fire has been lit is more or less ignored..if you're tempted- saying less is probably better for someone to nibble on then spilling your guts about all you know..they can always ask for more if they want it.
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