Pillow Princess

[imperfect_cupcake]

I read someone mentioning this in the stone thread and I quite like the term. Although I sometimes refer to myself as "fuck dolly" as a joke.

I am not a stone femme. To my own understanding that's an ID for iether sexually stone femmes or stonefemmes. I am neither.

However I go through fabulous periods of being a complete pillow princess/fuck dolly and I love it. I'm multi-orgasmic, squirty, messy, loud, scratchy, grabbing, occasionally with tears from how completely turned inside out I am from the cluster orgasms.

I personally love the periods of pillow princess I go through. I'm also a quite capable dominant pillow princess. I've tied my partners up, whipped their backs and asses for being filthy, horrible, dirty minded, nasty... and then when I undo them, they grab me, pin me down with the weight of their bodies, wrap an lovely arm around my back and fuck the life out of me afterwards. It's a fun game.

Pillow Princess crown is fun to wear. I'm more than happy to bring them off after they've spent all that time enjoying themselves turning me into a sex-mess. Many of my partners don't to want to bother with reaching their bonna everytime afterwards but I'm more than happy to suck them off properly. Personally I still think that's still within the realm of Pillow Princess/Fuck Dolly.

Some of them like a finger on their gspot when I suck them off, so it's not exactly stone. I'm happy with performing that ritual thanks. I'm fine with it not happening.

I'm not stone, but I love being a Pillow Princess/Fuck Dolly.

I'm not all the time... but it's a good 70-30 split. The other 30 percent is Holy Hell Domme Bitch, but I don't need to fuck anyone while I'm in that space. it's nice, but it's equally nice to just be a royal fucking nasty sadistic bitch and then, of course, hit the pillow...

Thought since there was space for expressing "other sexual ID's" I thought I'd speak up in defence of Pillow Bitch or Fuck Dolly or Pillow Princess...

I am also dying for a good shag at the moment so I'm funneling all that sexual energy someplace....

[G Snap!]

I always thought the term "pillow princess" meant a girl who just lays there and doesn't participate and demands their partner to do all the work...

Would love to comapre sex terms with someone from another country...
:phonegab:

I do, however, agree with a proper reward if one turns me into a sex-mess, especially if they didn't reach their bonna. :wink:

[imperfect_cupcake]

I don't buy it, that meaning to the term. Stone isn't really a term that's known here, so they call everyone who doesn't "fuck them back" a pillow princess. Frankly, there's nothing wrong with not doing anything back. But jesus, not doing anything back dosen't mean you lay there like a lump. It means you turn into a writhing multi orgasmic response unit to someone else's prowess!

I'd say a good chunk of the time they don't want to be brought off. They reach their bonna by having their brain glow from what they do to someone else. I get it. I've done domme work before and I never want anything done to me when I'm in that headspace. The getting something back happens while doing it to someone else.

I don't really follow the "you do me then I do you" school of thought. I do them some other time when they want it.

[boobookitty]

Happy thoughts and a big smile!

[Sachita]

I always thought the term "pillow princess" meant a girl who just lays there and doesn't participate and demands their partner to do all the work...

Would love to comapre sex terms with someone from another country...
:phonegab:

I do, however, agree with a proper reward if one turns me into a sex-mess, especially if they didn't reach their bonna. :wink:

yeah I thought so too! Damn I must be a pillow princess after all!

[Miss_J]

I read someone mentioning this in the stone thread and I quite like the term. Although I sometimes refer to myself as "fuck dolly" as a joke.

I am not a stone femme. To my own understanding that's an ID for iether sexually stone femmes or stonefemmes. I am neither.

However I go through fabulous periods of being a complete pillow princess/fuck dolly and I love it. I'm multi-orgasmic, squirty, messy, loud, scratchy, grabbing, occasionally with tears from how completely turned inside out I am from the cluster orgasms.

I personally love the periods of pillow princess I go through. I'm also a quite capable dominant pillow princess. I've tied my partners up, whipped their backs and asses for being filthy, horrible, dirty minded, nasty... and then when I undo them, they grab me, pin me down with the weight of their bodies, wrap an lovely arm around my back and fuck the life out of me afterwards. It's a fun game.

Pillow Princess crown is fun to wear. I'm more than happy to bring them off after they've spent all that time enjoying themselves turning me into a sex-mess. Many of my partners don't to want to bother with reaching their bonna everytime afterwards but I'm more than happy to suck them off properly. Personally I still think that's still within the realm of Pillow Princess/Fuck Dolly.

Some of them like a finger on their gspot when I suck them off, so it's not exactly stone. I'm happy with performing that ritual thanks. I'm fine with it not happening.

I'm not stone, but I love being a Pillow Princess/Fuck Dolly.

I'm not all the time... but it's a good 70-30 split. The other 30 percent is Holy Hell Domme Bitch, but I don't need to fuck anyone while I'm in that space. it's nice, but it's equally nice to just be a royal fucking nasty sadistic bitch and then, of course, hit the pillow...

Thought since there was space for expressing "other sexual ID's" I thought I'd speak up in defence of Pillow Bitch or Fuck Dolly or Pillow Princess...

I am also dying for a good shag at the moment so I'm funneling all that sexual energy someplace....



I would like to say... You are the absolute shit! (thats a good thing) Thank you for sharing, thank you for putting that into words that are perfect and thank you for giving me my own issues of needing a good fuck.

[dark_crystal]

i most often hear it as an insult.

but it could be a great screening tool, as in "i think you're cute too, here is my number. btw i am a pillow princess"

OMG THEY CALLED?????

win.

[Daktari]

Pillow Princess is a relatively derogatory term when used by many here in UK and means what previous posters have already said...in my experience.

Stone is not anathema here, in some circles, but it is uncommon if not unheard of outside the bft 'community'...also in my experience.

As for myself, well I don't attribute the negative connotations to the phrase and can *coff* appreciate a pillow princess :groucho:

[The_Lady_Snow]

Thank all the sex Deities for fuck dollies!!!

[dark_crystal]

man

i kinda feel like doing some princessing right now!

[imperfect_cupcake]

I'd like to sign up for a session of it myself. If I was back in London, might have a chance. Oxford?? Well... yes. But I have to find those boyish dykes are that are usually screwing all the bored housewives, but are twiddeling their thumbs this weekend cause the hubbies have taken the family off for the Jubilee weekend... It's not an easy search. Hellllooooo you don't have to go screwing "straight" married girls anymore...

ahh the single femme life in a southern town outside london... the concept of queer community dried up like a puddle in july... I can't even use the word "butch" at the local lesbian night without people getting nervous... it's like I jumped back to vancouver island, 20 years ago... this summer is going to have verrrry little sex in it...

[G Snap!]

i most often hear it as an insult.

but it could be a great screening tool, as in "i think you're cute too, here is my number. btw i am a pillow princess"

OMG THEY CALLED?????

win.

I would like to conduct a study. "I am a pillow princess" vs. "I am a fuck dolly".

I have been called a "fuck toy" and "cum bucket" among other creative names in the heat of passion. I think I like "fuck dolly" a lot!

[imperfect_cupcake]

it was an expression I used when a relationship ended where I was the top and the active member most of the time. I remember telling the stone butch I was out on a date with that all I wanted was to be a "fuck doll" for a little while, but far more animated and without the shocked expression. It morphed into fuck dolly and it kind of stuck. I quite like it myself. It's rather dirty. I like dirty.

This fuck dolly also enjoys dishing it out when it's wanted. I'm pretty skilled myself. But I do love being on my back and giving in.

maybe cause of my job being in control all the time that the chance to just let go and give over is a very sweet relief.

[Kal-el Trail]

To the OP of this thread...I just want to say, as a straight male, I wish more females were like you. In my case, I wish more straight females were more like you. :)

Cheers.

[The_Lady_Snow]

To the OP of this thread...I just want to say, as a straight male, I wish more females were like you. In my case, I wish more straight females were more like you. :)

Cheers.



LOL, it's funny you say that cause I wish more guys and butches were fuck dollies and weren't so caught up in their machismo and other such stuffs. If they were more guy/butch fuck dollies I'd be a mother fucking happy camper!!!

[Nat]

Well that first post was a fun read anyway. :)

Pillow princes and princesses can be the bomb. <3

[Kal-el Trail]

LOL, it's funny you say that cause I wish more guys and butches were fuck dollies and weren't so caught up in their machismo and other such stuffs. If they were more guy/butch fuck dollies I'd be a mother fucking happy camper!!!

I think my problem is, I look like the type that would man handle a woman, (not saying I'm ugly, I actually think pretty highly of my looks and try to take care of myself and stay somewhat in shape) when the fact of the matter is, I would have zero issues what-so-ever if I had a girlfriend who was a Pillow Princess. In fact, I find it completely hot. Most women I meet though want to be man handled...and to me, I feel like they have just been brainwashed into thinking that's how they need to be or something. I don't know...just doesn't feel right.

Don't get me wrong, I am a man, completely a man, most would say a "tough guy" but when it comes to a woman, she's to be worshiped, not controlled and beaten and treated like meat in bed. I don't get it. Honestly confuses the hell out of me.

[MsTinkerbelly]

I think my problem is, I look like the type that would man handle a woman, (not saying I'm ugly, I actually think pretty highly of my looks and try to take care of myself and stay somewhat in shape) when the fact of the matter is, I would have zero issues what-so-ever if I had a girlfriend who was a Pillow Princess. In fact, I find it completely hot. Most women I meet though want to be man handled...and to me, I feel like they have just been brainwashed into thinking that's how they need to be or something. I don't know...just doesn't feel right.

Don't get me wrong, I am a man, completely a man, most would say a "tough guy" but when it comes to a woman, she's to be worshiped, not controlled and beaten and treated like meat in bed. I don't get it. Honestly confuses the hell out of me.

We have many people here that prefer many different types of sex...please refrain from your iky judgements of what someone might find fucking wonderful.

And btw for "me" being a tough guy and completely a man isn't somethng that gives you any cred, as this is a queer website.

Just my 2cents, not trying to start a problem.

[Kal-el Trail]

We have many people here that prefer many different types of sex...please refrain from your iky judgements of what someone might find fucking wonderful.

And btw for "me" being a tough guy and completely a man isn't somethng that gives you any cred, as this is a queer website.

Just my 2cents, not trying to start a problem.

I think you misinterpreted my meaning. I am simply speaking from my personal experiences. I can't sit here and tell you yours no more than you can tell me mine. My point is, is that the type woman I seem to attract is exactly as I described. So my judgment was not directed at anyone other than from my own point of view and the people I have personally been with. I'm not here to bash anyone.

Furthermore, the relevance of me stating that I am often taken as a "tough guy" was simply because, I feel that just because my personality would give most the indication that I am more of a "me me me" kind of man, the reality couldn't be further from the truth.

Sorry you took me like that...I'm sure most straight people who have visited this web site has given you flack of some sorts, so I am sure you are on guard, but trust me, I am not here to judge nor am I here to cause trouble. If I wanted trouble, I would find it on Facebook much easier than here.

[MsTinkerbelly]

I think you misinterpreted my meaning. I am simply speaking from my personal experiences. I can't sit here and tell you yours no more than you can tell me mine. My point is, is that the type woman I seem to attract is exactly as I described. So my judgment was not directed at anyone other than from my own point of view and the people I have personally been with. I'm not here to bash anyone.

Furthermore, the relevance of me stating that I am often taken as a "tough guy" was simply because, I feel that just because my personality would give most the indication that I am more of a "me me me" kind of man, the reality couldn't be further from the truth.

Sorry you took me like that...I'm sure most straight people who have visited this web site has given you flack of some sorts, so I am sure you are on guard, but trust me, I am not here to

judge nor am I here to cause trouble. If
I wanted trouble, I would find it on Facebook much easier than here.

Ah, you are correct, "most" straight people, especially men have (in the past) either come to judge us, get a little (or a lot) iky, or study us for a paper they are writing. While i understand that this is a "public website" (although privately owned) and anyone can read what is written here, i personally am not comfortable with hetrosexual men being in what should be "safe" space unless they are FTM and are part of the LGBT community.

I do not understand why you would want to be here; i mean, there wouldn't be much of a dating pool here, and we're not here (well most of us) to educate the general population about queer sex practices, and you (general you) can find a whole bunch of other sites dediated to golf or travel or yada yada yada.

Any way...i am going to get my ass handed to me for being unwelcoming, but i gotta tell you my truth so you will understand how a few others are going to feel, although i am not speaking for anyone but me. We are not here to educate you about women, and wevare not here to educate you about being queer...we are part of a community that deals with men thinking they can go anywhere they want, simply because they are men.

I'm done. Sorry Medusa and Jack

[Kal-el Trail]

Ah, you are correct, "most" straight people, especially men have (in the past) either come to judge us, get a little (or a lot) iky, or study us for a paper they are writing. While i understand that this is a "public website" (although privately owned) and anyone can read what is written here, i personally am not comfortable with hetrosexual men being in what should be "safe" space.

To be honest, I came here looking for people who could relate. But if straight men make people here nervous, I can respect that and respectfully leave. Unfortunately, there aren't (or doesn't seem to be) any other groups out there that seem to relate.

[Jet]

To be honest, I came here looking for people who could relate. But if straight men make people here nervous, I can respect that and respectfully leave. Unfortunately, there aren't (or doesn't seem to be) any other groups out there that seem to relate.

Relate to what?

[Kal-el Trail]

I do not understand why you would want to be here; i mean, there wouldn't be much of a dating pool here, and we're not here (well most of us) to educate the general population about queer sex practices, and you (general you) can find a whole bunch of other sites dediated to golf or travel or yada yada yada.

Any way...i am going to get my ass handed to me for being unwelcoming, but i gotta tell you my truth so you will understand how a few others are going to feel, although i am not speaking for anyone but me. We are not here to educate you about women, and wevare not here to educate you about being queer...we are part of a community that deals with men thinking they can go anywhere they want, simply because they are men.

I'm done. Sorry Medusa and Jack


Ummm...I'm not here to be educated. I am no stranger to people who are queer, bisexual or any other form of sexual preference. I have many gay female friends, one of which I was simi intimate with. She related to me on a level that no other woman has ever related to me on.

Furthermore, I am not here looking for any hook-ups either. I'm not the traveling type...and besides all the impractical means it would take to meet anyone from this web site, I am not here to try and convince anyone to be with a straight man.

Ugh...I can see joining this site was a bad idea. Sorry for interrupting.

[RockOn]

Pillow Princesses are wonderful. I need their affections, their squeezing my buttocks, up my back and shoulders ... screamers break my concentration ( I'm just not that good :) ) but soft moans are oh so sweet while it is going on ...

I am totally satisfied in every way and all my needs are met.

Really like reading this topic, h.b.! Thank you and thanking everyone for their participation.
:)

[RockOn]

Kal-el Trail,

Speaking only for myself. You are right, definitely bad idea. Your apology is accepted by me.

Exit to your left.

Good-Bye.

[DapperButch]

Ummm...I'm not here to be educated. I am no stranger to people who are queer, bisexual or any other form of sexual preference. I have many gay female friends, one of which I was simi intimate with. She related to me on a level that no other woman has ever related to me on.

Furthermore, I am not here looking for any hook-ups either. I'm not the traveling type...and besides all the impractical means it would take to meet anyone from this web site, I am not here to try and convince anyone to be with a straight man.

Ugh...I can see joining this site was a bad idea. Sorry for interrupting.

I think a little clarity would be helpful here.

Were you born a biological male (meaning, assigned male at birth)?

Or are you a person who was born biologically female (meaning, assigned female at birth), who identifies as a straight male?

Thanks.

[Jet]

Kal-el Trail,

Speaking only for myself. You are right, definitely bad idea. Your apology is accepted by me.

Exit to your left.

Good-Bye.
Geezus RockOn, don't sugar coat it. LOL

[The_Lady_Snow]

I think a little clarity would be helpful here.

Were you born a biological male (meaning, assigned male at birth)?

Or are you a person who was born biologically female (meaning, assigned female at birth), who identifies as a straight male?

Thanks.


Well fuck, I never thought to ask, I just assumed he was not a cisgender dude


:|

[nycfem]

Just to be clear, this site is not for cis gender males. I have PM-ed him but have not yet heard back (sent message same time as Dapper). I think what he is saying is that he is a cis gender male who has queer friends and has liked being intimate with a queer woman, he thought this site might be a cool place to chill with people on. Unfortunately this is not the right site for him if he is a cis gender male. Just to be extra clear some trans men id as het males / straight males and are welcome on the site... but this site is not for cis gender males whether straight or homosexual!

[RockOn]

I "read" him to be a bio straight male. If wrong, I have to apologize.

Anyway, that is the reason why I (as Jet noticed )sugar-coated my response.

[RockOn]

Thank you, nycfemm! :)

Now, can someone please come and talk more hot about Pillow Princesses?

[nycfem]

So it's been clarified that this is a cis gender bio-born male (I should have added bio-born in my own previous post), and I have explained that this site is just not the right place for bio born cis gendered males. He's taking a gracious exit.

[nycfem]

BTW, pardon my struggle with the vocab soup. Just trying to handle this quickly due to many reports. Hopefully it's clear what I am trying to get across.

[DapperButch]

Just to be clear, this site is not for cis gender males. I have PM-ed him but have not yet heard back (sent message same time as Dapper). I think what he is saying is that he is a cis gender male who has queer friends and has liked being intimate with a queer woman, he thought this site might be a cool place to chill with people on. Unfortunately this is not the right site for him if he is a cis gender male. Just to be extra clear some trans men id as het males / straight males and are welcome on the site... but this site is not for cis gender males whether straight or homosexual!

Right. I used the terms biological and assigned male/female at birth, as there are a lot of people out there who do not know what the term cis means.

Yes, we have more than one FTM "straight" person here, so that is why I thought it was important to ask the question. Also, some people stop identifying as "trans*", if they view their transition as "complete" (which is why I specifically asked what sex they were assigned at birth).

Glad you stepped in and PMmed him, NYC.

EDIT: posted this prior to seeing NYC's latest posts

[The_Lady_Snow]

Well that was certainly interesting for a Monday!

:|

[DapperButch]

Well that was certainly interesting for a Monday!

:|

Truly laughed out loud.

[nycfem]

Also, some people stop identifying as "trans*", if they view their transition as "complete" (which is why I specifically asked what sex they were assigned at birth).

Thanks, Dapper, yes, thanks for articulating.

[Jet]

Kal-El Trail, you know, this is in the forum OTHER SEXUALITIES AND IDENTITIES. That includes Straight. It's easy to stumble upon and post just because you see this as an open forum. But it would serve you well to do your homework and read up before you come on strong after, let's say "a hard day's work as workin' man tough guy which you claim to be. Bad move.

So, Kal-El Trail before you hit the trail, know this...

One, you're not the only man here. The men here are just as valid as you as FtMs and TGs and stone TGs. Some guys here may indeed be biologically straight. Who knows. But there are guys here who could kick your face off your head. So never come on like a tough guy because you're asking for it. If you don't believe me, bring 'er on down to jo-juh.

Two, do your homework. People join sites because they feel safe and they want to express themselves in a space that accomodates their views. Knowledge would serve you well, sir.

Three, don't fuck this up for yourself. Be considerate of other people. This is NOT adultfinder.com or Facebook or the like where there is only one way to think—you're way. The lady (Ms. Tinkerbelly) didn't like your post, much less your presence, but she might have had you been sensitive and considerate had you looked before you leaped. Good luck.

[nycfem]

Let's move on.

[fatallyblonde]

JFC another good topic derailed by a bro coming in and chucking his weight all around. vomit.

ANYWAY. back to the topic at hand!

"pillow princess" is definitely a derogatory term but lots of us princesses have reclaimed it XD cos as others have pointed out the perception is that we 'just lay there and do nothing' but actually we are certainly active, passionate participants... just the nature of our participation looks different to the 'you fuck me then I fuck you' style... some people can't understand it... well honeys... you're not fucking us so you don't fucking have to lol!
Those who love the pillow princesses know and appreciate and respect our own style of participation and love us for it! Just as we love them for what they give us.

I personally never switch... it feels unnatural and inauthentic to me... just not how I get down. I can't relax in that role. It feels false. That's not how sex should feel! So I don't switch but certainly I know many, many people who do and love it.

I'm all about do what is right for you with partners who have complementary desire...

if pillow princesses are not your thing then fine... but don't make the mistake of thinking there aren't plenty of people for whom pillow princesses are exactly right! and most of all don't diss the way other consenting adults enjoy having sex with each other... just because it isn't your thing.

[RockOn]

I was out to lunch a bit daydreaming about our topic here. Once I saw what was going on, I went and read all of this person's posts. In his 4:02 p.m. post, I quote small part:

"I just want to say, as a straight male ..."

I had a bad situation back in 1990 when an out of town straight male started attending my Gay recovery meetings. Long story short, he began stalking me outside of meetings. I did not fear him but it was all too creepy. This guy in the recovery meetings and this guy here tonight sounded a great deal alike in what they were saying.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Woah, I hope we don't have guys, butches or TG folk who want to kick people's faces off their heads!


Yuck!
Not ok!

[nycfem]

No threats of violence allowed (please keep this in mind, Jet).

If we want to talk about straight bio cis gendered males, someone please start a thread on that, but for now let's get back to rockin' the pillow talk!

[fatallyblonde]

I actually would like to write something a little hot musings on princessing especially to steer convo back on track but I'm not convinced our little superman wouldn't still be reading, which makes me feel icky tbh. :/

but I'm thinking it... I'm thinking it!!! :)

[nycfem]

The Internet never stops being a public place, so make your decisions with that in mind!

I actually would like to write something a little hot musings on princessing especially to steer convo back on track but I'm not convinced our little superman wouldn't still be reading, which makes me feel icky tbh. :/

but I'm thinking it... I'm thinking it!!! :)

[Jet]

No threats of violence allowed (please keep this in mind, Jet).

If we want to talk about straight bio cis gendered males, someone please start a thread on that, but for now let's get back to rockin' the pillow talk!

Okay Jennifer.

[RockOn]

rockin the pillow talk ...

liking that idea ;)

[Martina]

But there are guys here who could kick your face off your head. So never come on like a tough guy because you're asking for it. If you don't believe me, bring 'er on down to jo-juh.


I found this way more dick-waggingly offensive than anything he said.

[imperfect_cupcake]

what kind of story would you want?

[MsTinkerbelly]

I am a pillow princess until I'm not, which probably makes me fall somewhere in the middle of the give/take spectrum, lol.

I find it liberating to do nothing except be adored and fuked out of my mind, but I can also be the one who does the giving, just because it is needed by my lover even if i am not in the mood.

Funny thing though, i would never think of her as a pillow butch. Hmmm what does that say about steriotypes (sp) in my head??

[Genesis]

This topic is so freaking hot... Wow.... Thanks Honeybarbara for posting this... will be back with more musings....

[imperfect_cupcake]

Her voice wove over me like smoke. I could be completely engulfed by her arms and her voice; I just melted into what she was doing to me. My body wanted to turn to hot sand and disintegrate in her touch; her arms wrapped under me, my hips under hers. I was so relaxed and I couldn't gain any control over my own body, nor did I want to. I just reacted over and over, like a tidal movement: rocking, swelling, cresting and breaking.
I woke up stunned from how incredibly hypnotic it was. I felt drugged. Oh my god,
that voice, those hands.
It felt like I had experienced some kind of genie. I have never dreamed anyone like
that before. Not with details like that. Ephemeral. The way she held and touched me was perfect. Safe, relief, responsive, my body just reacting, without thought, to everything she did. I was completely able to let go. Awash, rinsed and falling to pieces, disintegrating into the pleasure of it.
I want that. I want to be touched and released.

a clip of writing from being in that pillow princess state.

(I'll Show You Mine: Tales of Dyke Drama and Smut. 2012)

[C0LLETTE]

There you are...and I'm happy to see you lol

[Sweet Bliss]

So Collette, tell us more about that goat milk bath :rrose:

the rumor mill is turning :rofl:

[imperfect_cupcake]

Just got reminded of this thread. And I am pretty glad there are those out there that enjoy a pillow princess. I was re-i produced to being one again this summer and I forget just how fantastic, lovely, hot, amazing it is to he wanted in that way. Turns me into a stack of greased pancakes, really.

I will always do what is wanted from me and do what I'm told to get someone off. I will service someone how they wish, and be happy about it. But as long as it's them being g the boss or the nuts at the end of the sunday.

I give back in many ways. I'm certainly not selfish. But I really am a pillow princess. And I'm active and submissive.
Hard to explain without going into graphic detail.

Some one asked me recently if I was a top,bottom or switch. And I said "an active submissive bottom that services as required"

I can't put anything into simple terms

[cutiefemme]

I like rocking the pillow princess talk. I normally date stone butches or butches who don't mind being stone with me :) I just can't resist it because it's so hot! I love giving up control and going into a trance of ecstatic pleasure! I used to share a house with a bunch of butches and it was heaven. I don't need to switch and I think "pillow princess" is always a compliment when used by my kind of butch!

[flapdoodle]

I am a total Pillow Princess. Realizing it's not for everyone, I made sure i found dudes that understood I like being a bodacious play-thing. They crave it as I do.

Those who aren't "into" it or have mistaken my identity to mean a lazy Princess who fluffs pillows and says "do me", will, perhaps never understand that's not so.

For this choice, I have been made fun of, told I was wrong for being one, yada yada. I agree, it's often said in a negative sense, like it's bad thing to be a Pillow Princess..
That kind of makes me dig it even more

It's the whole, mind body soul.....and the rest, is magic

[Luckydwg07]

I'm very fond of pillow princesses. My sexual pleasure is always present when they are feeling the their own from me. Nothing selfish about it either its just what we do. To have someone enjoy what I do for them in this sense. I love it!
Saying "Please" is the word for me.. nice.. all night all day!

[cutiefemme]

I love stone butches! I'm a very exciting princess

[AishasWrath]

I like pillow princesses a lot. I think it's hot when they're lying around not being all active. It's calming, it feels so nonthreatening, I don't have anything to be vigilant against or have performance anxiety about. I know this is 180 to the common complaint of "not active enough," but I love pillow princess behavior, the lazier and passive-er the better!

[Gemme]

I like pillow princesses a lot. I think it's hot when they're lying around not being all active. It's calming, it feels so nonthreatening, I don't have anything to be vigilant against or have performance anxiety about. I know this is 180 to the common complaint of "not active enough," but I love pillow princess behavior, the lazier and passive-er the better!

Wow. What a backhanded compliment.

Awesome.

[AishasWrath]

Wow. What a backhanded compliment.

Awesome.

That was not meant as a backhanded compliment at all. I would not do that. I'm sorry it sounded that way.

Edited to add: I meant everything I said, I do think these are attractive qualities! Maybe it's weird to people but I don't see the traits of the negative stereotype as a bad thing. The best experiences I've ever had were with people who layed there and relaxed and didn't get very handsy.

[Angeltoes]

That was not meant as a backhanded compliment at all. I would not do that. I'm sorry it sounded that way.

Why do you want a femme to be so passive? What are you afraid of?

[*Anya*]

I like pillow princesses a lot. I think it's hot when they're lying around not being all active. It's calming, it feels so nonthreatening, I don't have anything to be vigilant against or have performance anxiety about. I know this is 180 to the common complaint of "not active enough," but I love pillow princess behavior, the lazier and passive-er the better!

Almost sounds like necrophilla...

I am sure you don't want a lover to be "lying around, not being at all active" for real?

The "lazier and passive-er" the better!?

Edited to add: this is not my understanding of a stone femme or a pillow princess at all. I have been schooled and educated in these forums and have so appreciated the knowledge I have gained.

I don't recall anyone saying before that they did zero activity and just laid down, not to actively participate in whatever way was right for them.

[Angeltoes]

I look very nonthreatening in person. If a butch wanted to be scared of me for no logical reason, then I would probably laugh and scare them on purpose. I would not lay still and sexy time would definitely be over.

[AishasWrath]

Why do you want a femme to be so passive? What are you afraid of?

*sigh* My turn to be offended now. I'm not afraid of people, I just don't like nonpassive partners. Do I need to through all the justifications and disclaimers again about how I don't like being touched, how it's overwhelming and uncomfortable when others are too active, and give five notarized affidavits of the times I tried to "stop being afraid" and found out it wasn't about fear it was about physical discomfort when I placed myself in such situations?

Going back on topic, there are people out there who are very passive in bed, and there's nothing wrong with them. I'm not the only person who thinks it's beautiful and desirable and ideal to be very languid.

[AishasWrath]

Almost sounds like necrophilla...

I am sure you don't want a lover to be "lying around, not being at all active" for real?

The "lazier and passive-er" the better!?

Edited to add: this is not my understanding of a stone femme or a pillow princess at all. I have been schooled and educated in these forums and have so appreciated the knowledge I have gained.

I don't recall anyone saying before that they did zero activity and just laid down, not to actively participate in whatever way was right for them.

Yes I mean it, I'm sure, I've heard all the comparisons to necrophilia and the insinuations that being how I am makes me a Bad Person before, so I'm leaving this thread alone after this.

I look very nonthreatening in person. If a butch wanted to be scared of me for no logical reason, then I would probably laugh and scare them on purpose. I would not lay still and sexy time would definitely be over.

So you'd be totally ok with violating another person's boundaries in a way that intentionally provokes anxiey, because of how you look. That sounds like bullying behavior.

[Angeltoes]

You're the one who said it feels 'nonthreatening' when a femme is passive and still. That indicates to me that you're scared. And, maybe you should work out what it is you're afraid of but that would be disturbing to me. Not sexy at all.

Anyway, you're new and your name is 'Aisha's revenge' which makes me wonder about your intentions here.

[Angeltoes]

I would never violate anyone. I would leave.

[Gemme]

Almost sounds like necrophilla...

I am sure you don't want a lover to be "lying around, not being at all active" for real?

The "lazier and passive-er" the better!?

Edited to add: this is not my understanding of a stone femme or a pillow princess at all. I have been schooled and educated in these forums and have so appreciated the knowledge I have gained.

I don't recall anyone saying before that they did zero activity and just laid down, not to actively participate in whatever way was right for them.

Your understanding is correct.

That was not meant as a backhanded compliment at all. I would not do that. I'm sorry it sounded that way.

Edited to add: I meant everything I said, I do think these are attractive qualities! Maybe it's weird to people but I don't see the traits of the negative stereotype as a bad thing. The best experiences I've ever had were with people who layed there and relaxed and didn't get very handsy.

I'm okay with passive, although that's incorrect for me personally. It's the part where you called a whole group 'lazy'. Pillow princesses aren't lazy. That is offensive.

I see you're new here so I'll let you in on something. Blanket statements as a general rule are offensive. so it's best to be as specific about the things you have strong opinions about.

*sigh* My turn to be offended now. I'm not afraid of people, I just don't like nonpassive partners. Do I need to through all the justifications and disclaimers again about how I don't like being touched, how it's overwhelming and uncomfortable when others are too active, and give five notarized affidavits of the times I tried to "stop being afraid" and found out it wasn't about fear it was about physical discomfort when I placed myself in such situations?

Going back on topic, there are people out there who are very passive in bed, and there's nothing wrong with them. I'm not the only person who thinks it's beautiful and desirable and ideal to be very languid.

I get where you are coming from. Stones have a hard road sometimes, and you may certainly have come across some women that are fine with being called passive and lazy, but I can venture to say that most of us here aren't okay with it.

No one is saying you can't have boundaries. Boundaries are healthy. It's not an issue for me that you don't want anyone too 'handsy' as you said. We all have 'no go' zones on our bodies for a thousand different reasons. Just please try not to generalize a whole group of women; especially when so many princesses have been fighting the very stereotypes that you have played in to and called us.

I didn't jump on the necrophilia train and I think that condition was brought up prematurely in the discussion. I don't want to stomp all over you and your personal boundaries. I do want to make you understand that you just offended a whole division of our community and that is going to piss some people off.

[Gemme]

I look very nonthreatening in person. If a butch wanted to be scared of me for no logical reason, then I would probably laugh and scare them on purpose. I would not lay still and sexy time would definitely be over.

You're missing the point. I'm not sure if you are Stone or not, but that could explain why you see things the way you do. AW, while doing it clumsily, was expressing their relief that pillow princesses don't violate their personal boundaries. They just chose a seriously poor way to communicate that appreciation.

Stone butches and femmes have historically had a difficult time with partners, especially if they try to partner with a non-Stone.

You're the one who said it feels 'nonthreatening' when a femme is passive and still. That indicates to me that you're scared. And, maybe you should work out what it is you're afraid of but that would be disturbing to me. Not sexy at all.

Anyway, you're new and your name is 'Aisha's revenge' which makes me wonder about your intentions here.

Wrath, not revenge.

I would never violate anyone. I would leave.

This is certainly healthy and I hope that all of us would be sensitive to violating another's boundaries.

[Angeltoes]

Oops you're right it's wrath not revenge. It still would be offensive to Muslim person. It seems like an unnecessary jab.

No, I'm not stone. I can understand taking it slow because I'm pretty shy myself. But if I can't move around without scaring my partner, then I'd rather not bother trying to have sex.

[storyspinner70]

Wow...I was enjoying the thread then the nonsense earlier and now this...

Why so judgmental? Why is everyone so quick to pounce on one word or phrase and pick pick pick when someone's choice is exactly that...their choice...

I don't care what anyone likes...you like them so lazy they're practically catatonic? That is your choice and what you like and when you find someone that likes it too, y'all will have a great time...

Personally, I'm a pillow princess with a switch follow up...:D I'm 1000% bottom but I'm not leaving my butch undone...regardless...I think it's cause I'm a Virgo and I've got this unusual sense of justice...coughs...fair is fair...

Luckily, my butch is perfect for me cause, seriously, if she handed me a strap I'd be like...Oh, you need me to hold this for a minute for you?

That's the point, really...find what you like and find someone that likes the same...Get someone that fits and fuck yourselves crazy...

I've got a thing for control, hands and voices, and I've got a daddi with big hands and a voice like river stones dragged over sandpaper and that is what turns my crank the most...

Don't think I don't appreciate a pillow princess myself, though...god knows there's nothing like listening to the whimpering and begging and the cussing and knowing that you caused all of it...Knowing she's gonna be hoarse and fucked out and you're the sole reason she's trying to buck you off the same time she's scrambling to get you and your mouth closer.

Damn...now I got myself itchy...my daddi needs to get the hell back here...her supper can wait! lmao

[BullDog]

I am a stone butch and I always think of my partner as being actively receptive. That is a huge turn on for me. We respect one another's boundaries (which complement one another) and the energy exchange is very hot.

[Angeltoes]

I'm not jumping on anyone. This person said they prefer lazy/passive femmes because they're 'nonthreatening.' I responded by saying that their preference sounds very unsexy *to me*. They stated a preference and I responded with my thoughts. If people don't want their preferences judged, then they probably shouldn't post them in a public forum.

I actually could be totally submissive with the right person, but not with someone who's afraid of me. That just sounds lame in *my opinion.*

[job]

I personally would like to be with a feminine woman who is a little more active. Not that I don't like the women I'm typically with, who seem to just hold on and make all the right noises...or only move around when I ask them to. I like that, too. A lot actually. But, it'd be nice to, every now and then, experience a woman who does use her hands/mouth with a little more "gusto". Show me how much you want it, cause I'm narcissistic like that when it comes to sex. (Being honest here, not cocky.) But, I'm not saying try to top me, cause then we'd just be two naked people rasslin' on a bed and that'd just look silly.

(Disclaimer: no offense to people who participate in naked wrestling matches on beds.)

[Angeltoes]

It's frustrating because I'm a quiet person, so I tend to attract timid people, but I don't like that in a partner. Despite being quiet I have a strong personality and I need to be with someone who is also strong or it's not going to work. I would slowly end up bossing them around and never having sex with them...lol. Then eventually I would sorry be for mistreating them and we'd end up being just friends. All I meant to say was that if someone is scared just because I'm moving around, then it definitely would not work for me.

I was just kidding before about laughing at them. I wouldn't laugh, but it would be awkward, not sexy.

[Gemme]

Oops you're right it's wrath not revenge. It still would be offensive to Muslim person. It seems like an unnecessary jab.

No, I'm not stone. I can understand taking it slow because I'm pretty shy myself. But if I can't move around without scaring my partner, then I'd rather not bother trying to have sex.

I didn't even think about a Muslim connection. I know a handful of Aishas (with no Muslim connection), so I originally thought of a jilted lover scenario for the screen name.

It has nothing to do with 'taking things slow'. Being Stone can be similar to knowing a secret language that most don't. If you're not Stone, it's likely that you don't 'hear' what's being said.

A lot....not all but a lot....of Stone butches don't like to be touched in certain ways and areas, especially in the chest and genital region. A lot.....not all but a lot....of lesbians and femmes that are not Stone or a pillow princess expect a 'you do me, I do you' kind of mirroring game that involves touching in the chest and genital region. (Most) Stones don't play that game, although some might play a variation of it.

What you are hearing is not what's being said. What's being said is not what you're hearing.





(Disclaimer: no offense to people who participate in naked wrestling matches on beds.)

This cracked me up.

[Angeltoes]

You're right, I definitely do not know what goes on between a stone butch and stone femme, because I've never been with a stone. However, I wasn't responding to that unless you're saying that stone femmes have to be still or the stone butch will get freaked out. I don't think that's true, because other stone butches in this thread said otherwise. When I talked about 'taking it slow,' it's not that I didn't hear or understand that Aisha is a stone, it's that I don't care. I wasn't talking about them and their preference, I was talking about my preference.


I'm not sure what you mean by mirroring or playing a game. I kind of resent that comment. Lesbian sex is as real to lesbians as your sex is to you.

Of course I respect boundaries and would never want to touch someone in a way that bothered them, but at the same time, I'm eventually going to lose interest if all I do is lay there and get done. I don't see a future in that for me. Yes, I know stone's think differently, but there's more than one perspective in this thread.

[imperfect_cupcake]

By non-threatening people mean, someone isn't trying to penetrate you when you don't want it, or trying to convince you to be penetrated and that all lesbians need like like fingers in their bits.

I've been with stone lovers who *get* femmes trying to do that to them all the bloody time. It can feel threatening.

I can be incredibly languid if it's wanted. I have had partners who loved to fuck me while I was asleep (and I love that. I gave preconsent for it) and role payed kidnapping where I've been chloroformed and can't make a peep or move (waaaaaayyyyyy harder than it sounds) and it's very hot. I love bondage and being immobilized so I can't struggle, turns me way on.

So, there are peppers to everyone's salt. And just cause something doesn't suit you or gives you the oogies doesn't mean there aren't people out there who will like it. I like being used by my partner, sexually, to be super blunt. That's what turns me hella on the absolute most. And however they'd like to use me, usually turns my crank. I'm all about them reaching their bonna so if that's by me being trussed up like a turkey and immobile or by being "made" to come 14 times whether I "like it or not" (consensual non-consent... but I just can't seem to stop coming for them, please stop making me cum, please, please etc), or by being the naked beer girl durning a game that sucks them off every time their team scores... Whatever. I'm that.

So I really am a fuck dolly. Most of that is a pillow princess in that I'm am actively and submissively receiving something into an orifice somewhere. They get to tell me how that happens.

Sorry for being so blunt/graphic but I feel things get misunderstood when it's all polite and vague and I'm not really one for mystery anyway. Whether I'm pretending to be unconscious or I'm actively jerking them off with my boobs because they told me do be waiting naked on the floor just inside the door when they get in, it doesn't matter to me.

I personally get on with stones and non-stones alike because of this being my sexuality.

Happy to be an utterly lazy, pet femme shag princess or an active submissive working hard at getting her boss off the way she is told to.

It suits stones and non-stones alike, so long as they like being the boss of it.

So can we cut the stuff about how somethings are naff if they don't suit someone else?

[Angeltoes]

That sounds really hot cupcake, but again, I understand what the fear is about. What I'm saying is that it wouldn't work for me. My comment was simple, really. I don't need to keep hearing 'oh but you don't understand how stone butches are' because I'm not a stone butch and my comment was about my preference not theirs.

This is all hypothetical anyway. I haven't been sexual with anyone in so long. I'm ready to start adopting cats and be done.

[job]

I also want to add that I don't get too into labels. I call myself butch because I've always called myself butch. But, if not wanting to be penetrated or not having someone touching my chest junk means I'm "stone", then I am most definitely stone.
So, when I mentioned using hands/mouth, and I sooo can't believe I forgot "boobs", with a little more gusto, I meant it in the perfect way that imperfect cupcake said, "actively jerking them off with my boobs"....(sigh)....yeah, that kind of "gusto".

[imperfect_cupcake]

I misunderstand then, angel toes. You sounded like you were having a go at someone because of the words "feeling threatened".
If you were just saying " oh, I can't understand that in a personal sense, but have at it, whatever floats your boat"
I didn't read that clearly. But thanks for clarifying that was what you meant after all.

:)

[Angeltoes]

The only jab I took at them was when I said I would laugh and scare them on purpose. I took back the part about laughing. The scaring part I meant like 'boo' not grabbing them...

[Gemme]

By non-threatening people mean, someone isn't trying to penetrate you when you don't want it, or trying to convince you to be penetrated and that all lesbians need like like fingers in their bits.

I've been with stone lovers who *get* femmes trying to do that to them all the bloody time. It can feel threatening.

I can be incredibly languid if it's wanted. I have had partners who loved to fuck me while I was asleep (and I love that. I gave preconsent for it) and role payed kidnapping where I've been chloroformed and can't make a peep or move (waaaaaayyyyyy harder than it sounds) and it's very hot. I love bondage and being immobilized so I can't struggle, turns me way on.

So, there are peppers to everyone's salt. And just cause something doesn't suit you or gives you the oogies doesn't mean there aren't people out there who will like it. I like being used by my partner, sexually, to be super blunt. That's what turns me hella on the absolute most. And however they'd like to use me, usually turns my crank. I'm all about them reaching their bonna so if that's by me being trussed up like a turkey and immobile or by being "made" to come 14 times whether I "like it or not" (consensual non-consent... but I just can't seem to stop coming for them, please stop making me cum, please, please etc), or by being the naked beer girl durning a game that sucks them off every time their team scores... Whatever. I'm that.

So I really am a fuck dolly. Most of that is a pillow princess in that I'm am actively and submissively receiving something into an orifice somewhere. They get to tell me how that happens.

Sorry for being so blunt/graphic but I feel things get misunderstood when it's all polite and vague and I'm not really one for mystery anyway. Whether I'm pretending to be unconscious or I'm actively jerking them off with my boobs because they told me do be waiting naked on the floor just inside the door when they get in, it doesn't matter to me.

I personally get on with stones and non-stones alike because of this being my sexuality.

Happy to be an utterly lazy, pet femme shag princess or an active submissive working hard at getting her boss off the way she is told to.

It suits stones and non-stones alike, so long as they like being the boss of it.

So can we cut the stuff about how somethings are naff if they don't suit someone else?

As always, you cut right to the middle.

And you gave me a new idea for later....:thinking:...

[Nattih]

I wonder if stones who prefer this type of relationship are simply much less common with millenials. It's like I keep trying to understand a forgein language. I am enjoying everyone's banter.

[imperfect_cupcake]

I dunno. I'm 46 and some of my sex buddy partners have been in their early 30s and LOVE what I am. It's a sexuality, like any other kind of sexuality. They usually have never had anyone who "gets" them before and I'm their first. I don't call them stones. I don't use terminology like that. We just discuss what's ok or not ok for touching with them. Most the ones I meet in that age bracket understand themselves as female bodied but not women. They mostly haven't talked about it much at all, or they call themselves genderqueer.

They are usually new to bdsm and/or new to the acceptance of having a cock in their mind.

They are also really confused why someone with my expereince would want to be with someone with very little expereince in that way. Personally, I don't find expereince makes much difference either way. We either have chemistry or we don't. If they are enthusiastic and have desire, then they pick it up very quickly. I have to learn them too.

I'm not old school, and I don't care if people use labels or IDs or not. A rose by any other name still smells the same. Not all of my partners have ID'd. But to my own personal definition they were butch. Didn't matter to me that they didn't use the ID. To them butch meant something with a lot of rules around presenting a certain way or behaving a certain way. They didn't want those rules. I get it. I don't agree, but I totally get it.

[MsTinkerbelly]

I wonder if stones who prefer this type of relationship are simply much less common with millenials. It's like I keep trying to understand a forgein language. I am enjoying everyone's banter.

From my own personal *me* experience (I'm 54), stone is often there with some people, long before they even know what it means. They spend years wondering what is "wrong" with them, knowing that their partners want to give them pleasure by touching them as maybe they were touched...and either not allowing it and hurting their partners, or subjecting themselves to something they find unpleasant just to please their lover.

Ms. Cupcake is right; if you are going to have sex with someone you should be having some sort of discussion beforehand about what you like, and what you don't. It saves soooooo much heartache later.

My first stone didn't know what to call it, didn't know how to tell me what areas were off limits....it was an unpleasant experience for us both. If we had discussed those things ahead of time, it would have led to a much better first time with a woman for me! Good thing I am tenacious! Lol

[DapperButch]

I wonder if stones who prefer this type of relationship are simply much less common with millenials. It's like I keep trying to understand a forgein language. I am enjoying everyone's banter.

Stone butches get all of their pleasure from pleasing their partners. It is like a mental orgasm. I am completely sated after my partner orgasms. It is as if I had one myself.

I disagree that it is less common with younger people. People are born Stone, not made. It is not like all of a sudden this type of sexuality stopped existing.

I think there are a number of people who are Stone, but think there is something wrong with them, so they just "put up" with touch they don't want. They think they are being "bad partners", if they don't. It is possible that the millenials just haven't "come out" yet, as Stone...they are still in the process of fighting with themselves over it.

Or, as Titsalina (cupcake), said, they just don't call themselves Stone. I'm sure many have never even heard of the word, or think there is no one else like them. That certainly was me at some point. It wasn't until I found another butch/femme site and learned that there were others like me and what the name was for my type of sexuality.

[ProfPacker]

Thanks Dapper, as always you can put into words (as did cupcake) what others have been feeling for a long time. For me, I never called myself stone, I am not 100% but say 98% stone and always thought "something was wrong with me". I know I am female bodied but don't feel traditionally "womanly" which was brought to light when I discovered the calm and relief that packing brought me. It allowed me to identify bringing myself to orgasm while pleasing someone else. The cock was a part of me. There are other joys that come from being top or bottom.

Dapper has always been able to help this butch develop an id that was hidden before.

Thanks

[Nattih]

Thank you all for educating me on this a bit. I really just want to understand. I have not run into it at all, but at some point I may, and I want to be able to be totally understanding and respectful of the stone identity.

[Martina]

Stone butches get all of their pleasure from pleasing their partners. It is like a mental orgasm.


I have known a number of stone butches who orgasm by rubbing against their partner.

[imperfect_cupcake]

Most people I've slept with that don't like penetration still like being sucked off in a way that affirms the masculine perception/take of their genitals.

I really don't like using the term stone because I find it really loaded with "what's a real stone, what isn't, who gets to be one" I generally just talk to people about what their sexuality means to them, how they see themselves, what turns them on the most. And most of the time, in bed, after they trust me, things change a bit - they let me in on fantasies, what they'd *really* like to do etc etc etc. It takes a while to get to know someone sexually, to have them actually let go enough to truly be themselves in bed. I generally don't tend to make commitments or promises with anyone until we've slept together for a bit because people tend to "be" what they think you want - or that's at least my expereince - and it takes a while for who they actually are to come out. And I don't like making promises until I get to see who that person is. Especially sexually. Because I've that that stuff turn very different, very quickly, when people relax.

I tend to talk a lot more abut fantasies now in order to get a better idea of underlaying sexualities earlier on.

I don't mean to be an arse, but I'm not trying to have a convo abut stone butches or stone culture or stone sexuality. I am NOT a stone femme. I am just a plain ol femme that happens to be a pillow princess most of the time. I am not old school, nor stone. More like Post modern pillow princess.

This is about femmes that aren't stone but are big ol submissives or pillow Empresses (dominant bottoms - the kind that service tops lurrrrve. I know sooooooo many service top butches that if I was one of these I'd be a happy girl indeed. You know, the kind that knows exactly what kind of fucking they need and they need it right now, with your cock, stud), or bottoms just the same. That's why I didn't put this in a stone thread, I made this an "other" sexuality thread

[Gemme]

Thank you all for educating me on this a bit. I really just want to understand. I have not run into it at all, but at some point I may, and I want to be able to be totally understanding and respectful of the stone identity.

There are a number of good Stone threads that will definitely help with understanding this flavor in the rainbow even more.


This is about femmes that aren't stone but are big ol submissives or pillow Empresses (dominant bottoms - the kind that service tops lurrrrve. I know sooooooo many service top butches that if I was one of these I'd be a happy girl indeed. You know, the kind that knows exactly what kind of fucking they need and they need it right now, with your cock, stud), or bottoms just the same. That's why I didn't put this in a stone thread, I made this an "other" sexuality thread

I think, statistically, that the majority of pillow princesses are somewhat Stone or partner predominantly with Stones but I see your point and why you designed it this way. It's a different corner of the bed altogether where different blends can bleed over into one another, as long as everyone's happy in the end.

[ProfPacker]

cupcake: I like the post modern thing...socially constructing stone butch, nice. I think I am a post modern stone butch nice :)