Was at the Dr today for my Militia physical

[stephfromMIT]

Just for shiggles, I had my body fat measured. I have 3% body fat! I saw that, and thought,"Knew I was lean, didn't realize I was that lean!"

[Okiebug61]

Just for shiggles, I had my body fat measured. I have 3% body fat! I saw that, and thought,"Knew I was lean, didn't realize I was that lean!"

Wow Stallone was at 2.8 when he filmed Rocky! That's pretty amazing. Congrats!

[funkyfemme]

seriously?

[The_Lady_Snow]

Shit, my fat ass is at your 3% x's 300

:|


I blame Hostess

[Words]

Are you sure?

That's extremely low for a woman.

Words

[Toughy]

skinny skinny skinny.........

and what militia are you talking about?

[stephfromMIT]

Yup, I'm sure. I agree it's low, but I'm extremely muscular.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Holy shit Steph! You're BMI is lower than Michael Phelps!


Share your secrets with me so I can stuff my body in a latex suit!

[stephfromMIT]

Toughy-The Women's Football Alliance team I play for.

[The_Lady_Snow]

skinny skinny skinny.........

and what militia are you talking about?


HAHAHA!

I was confused in another thread I was ready for gun talk!

It's a womans football team!

[funkyfemme]

Toughy-The Women's Football Alliance team I play for.

Yo Stephy! My honey did a quick google on your team but couldn't find you on any of the rosters. ? Nor could he find anyone who matched your height and weight (in case you used a different name). Maybe you could be so kind as to provide a linky? He really loves his football!! :D

[The_Lady_Snow]

Maybe she's a kicker?

[Estella]

Um ... at competition weight, Lenda Murray is at 7.5%. If you're at 3%, you should be very very worried. I've had some issues with insufficient body fat in the past and it can be extremely dangerous for women, leading to dramatic bone loss, among other things.

http://laxcrossfit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/lenda-murray-ms-olympia.jpg

[stephfromMIT]

Stella-Thanks for worrying. I keep up my nutrition, so I'm not worried (I probably should as I get older)

[The_Lady_Snow]

Stella-Thanks for worrying. I keep up my nutrition, so I'm not worried (I probably should as I get older)

Mad props for being healthy! You should start a thread on work out routine, what you eat, and your mindset to stay with it!

A healthy lifestyle is a fucking bitch to live in day in and out!

Thanks for sharin'.

[Estella]

Stella-Thanks for worrying. I keep up my nutrition, so I'm not worried (I probably should as I get older)

You're entirely welcome ... now please excuse me while I hobble into the kitchen to take my calcium supplements.

:sunglass:

[funkyfemme]

Yo Stephy! My honey did a quick google on your team but couldn't find you on any of the rosters. ? Nor could he find anyone who matched your height and weight (in case you used a different name). Maybe you could be so kind as to provide a linky? He really loves his football!! :D

in case you missed this...

:4femme:

ps...my honey thanks you too!

[The_Lady_Snow]

in case you missed this...

:4femme:

ps...my honey thanks you too!



Steph is 6' 1" 225 there are women on the roster close to her descriptor of herself she may be private.

[funkyfemme]

Steph is 6' 1" 225 there are women on the roster close to her descriptor of herself she may be private.

I didn't see anyone over 5'8"....I will check again just in case I'm a twat and missed it. Funny, I don't see her being the private type.

[stephfromMIT]

They don't always print the whole roster. Believe me or not, I could care less.

[BullDog]

Hey can everyone please upload a scanned copy of your driver's license. Thanks in advance.

[Okiebug61]

Steph is 6' 1" 225 there are women on the roster close to her descriptor of herself she may be private.

Wholly Cow! Remind me to never make her mad!

[The_Lady_Snow]

I didn't see anyone over 5'8"....I will check again just in case I'm a twat and missed it. Funny, I don't see her being the private type.



Steph's said she's a linewoman for The Boston Militia there's a couple of women close to her descriptors so I dunno:/

[Okiebug61]

Hey can everyone please upload a scanned copy of your driver's license. Thanks in advance.


Now this is funny!

[The_Lady_Snow]

They don't always print the whole roster. Believe me or not, I could care less.



Now THAT sucks!!! They need to change that shit!!! If you're working out to be on a team I don't believe you should be left out!!


Boooo to that shit!!!

[lusciouskiwi]

HAHAHA!

I was confused in another thread I was ready for gun talk!

It's a womans football team!

Me too! :glasses:

[Okiebug61]

OK! Here is Terrell Owens workout plan he is 6' 3" and 225 so we are not far off from your size and weight. He stays between 3-4%. Do you happen to eat like this?


http://www.sixpacknow.com/terrell_owens_workout.html

[stephfromMIT]

Other than eating yolks, and not doing meal replacement, we eat quite similiarly.

[ButchEire]

Allow me to clarify. I found a Stephanie with her stated last name at MIT studying physics as a grad student and the pictures were far removed from her description. I looked at the team rosters for both new england teams including the militia with no one by that name. Additionally, Steph stated regular workouts that included weights that as another member pointed out,typically exceeded world records for men and women. I remain skeptical and more so with the bodyfat that is lower than a professional female bodybuilder and an olympic swimmer.

[The_Lady_Snow]

:|...........

[Strappie]

Just for shiggles, I had my body fat measured. I have 3% body fat! I saw that, and thought,"Knew I was lean, didn't realize I was that lean!"

You need to show pictures... Gotta admire a 3% body fat and perv over it.

[ButchEire]

Don't hate the ellips-er...
:D

:|...........

[BullDog]

Allow me to clarify. I found a Stephanie with her stated last name at MIT studying physics as a grad student and the pictures were far removed from her description. I looked at the team rosters for both new england teams including the militia with no one by that name. Additionally, Steph stated regular workouts that included weights that as another member pointed out,typically exceeded world records for men and women. I remain skeptical and more so with the bodyfat that is lower than a professional female bodybuilder and an olympic swimmer.

You know be skeptical all you want, but I find it creepy that you are going around trying to look up someone's personal info.

[Estella]

Now THAT sucks!!! They need to change that shit!!! If you're working out to be on a team I don't believe you should be left out!!


Boooo to that shit!!!

Steph may not have made the posted roster, but the players who did are pretty easy on the eyes in general. That Katy Bertman is a cutie.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Roster = Femme Spank Bank Material

[funkyfemme]

They don't always print the whole roster. Believe me or not, I could care less.

Oh no it's not that i don't believe you dearheart. We just wanted to follow you since you sound like such a badass warrior.

[Okiebug61]

I have a scale that measures your BMI. Mine just said please step off Now! Is there a hidden meaning here?

[ButchEire]

I found it interesting that she posted her personal info as well as that of her partner. If someone is making seemingly outroageous claims on a public forum, everyone has the right to investigate further to determine if they are true. I assure you,i wasn't the only one who googled her name. Hardly creepy. I lifted weights for many years and would love to see pictures of someone who has apparently achieved something few others have.

You know be skeptical all you want, but I find it creepy that you are going around trying to look up someone's personal info.

[The_Lady_Snow]

I have a scale that measures your BMI. Mine just said please step off Now! Is there a hidden meaning here?



Mine did what cartoon scales do, springs popped out and there was a loud grunt followed by a * BOIIIIIINGGG*


I need a cookie!

[Estella]

You know be skeptical all you want, but I find it creepy that you are going around trying to look up someone's personal info.

Not creepy ... pervy. If there's a 6'1", 225 lb football player with 3% body fat roaming around loose on the other side of the river then I, for one, want to know about it. My femme-friends do, too.

[BullDog]

I found it interesting that she posted her personal info as well as that of her partner. If someone is making seemingly outroageous claims on a public forum, everyone has the right to investigate further to determine if they are true. I assure you,i wasn't the only one who googled her name. Hardly creepy. I lifted weights for many years and would love to see pictures of someone who has apparently achieved something few others have.

Wow glad you have the time to do all this.
I read stuff all the time on here that I am highly skeptical about and have never tried to look up someone's info.
Seriously uncool. Two thumbs down from me.

[Toughy]

Um ... at competition weight, Lenda Murray is at 7.5%. If you're at 3%, you should be very very worried. I've had some issues with insufficient body fat in the past and it can be extremely dangerous for women, leading to dramatic bone loss, among other things.

http://laxcrossfit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/lenda-murray-ms-olympia.jpg

If steph looks like this pic, I will not, repeat not, be perving on her............

just saying........

[stephfromMIT]

I'd hope not! I'm very taken. ;)

[Novelafemme]

Um ... at competition weight, Lenda Murray is at 7.5%. If you're at 3%, you should be very very worried. I've had some issues with insufficient body fat in the past and it can be extremely dangerous for women, leading to dramatic bone loss, among other things.

http://laxcrossfit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/lenda-murray-ms-olympia.jpg

Dangit! I thought I kept all my body building pics on private! :4femme:

[NJFemmie]

http://www.askthetrainer.com/image-files/fat-percentage-women.jpg

I believe men can actually be "okay" with 3% body fat.
For a female body, it is dangerously low and the stored fat is necessary for day to day body functions. At the height and weight that was previously mentioned .... well, let's just say that it leaves me "speechless".

[Daywalker]

Shit, my fat ass is at your 3% x's 300

:|


I blame Hostess


Ding Dongs.

I blame those.

And cheese.

And bread.


:hypno:
I've lost 30 pounds in the last year or so.
I've got physical limitation factors n what have you.

So anything I lost might be gone but I certainly didn't improve
any kind of body fat measurement bullshit during that time.

I don't care to know mah numbers either.
:|

But I admire the folks who work hard at
their numbers, especially for Health reasons.

My Sister is 51, and rides her cycle to work n shit.
:marketbicycle:

:daywalker:

[Corkey]

I blame being 53 and having fibroyds. Life is what it is and we all grow. I was 18 and 118 lb at one point in time.

[princessbelle]

I blame being 53 and having fibroyds. Life is what it is and we all grow. I was 18 and 118 lb at one point in time.

AWwwww yes. To only be able to go back and time and have that 18 year old body again and yet keep the intellect and experience that we have today.

Seems like i heard my parents say something very similar to that when i was growing up.

Someone hold me.

[Daywalker]

I don't need to go back.


I brought mah baby fat with me.
:rainsing:

:daywalker:

[Electrocell]

I'd hope not! I'm very taken. ;)

Steph just put a pic of yourself in the gallery then all will cease to wonder what you look like.:D

[Nomad]

"overfat"?

as in 'i am soooooo OVER this fat'?

or 'i wish i could get rid of this fat that is suspended OVER my supermodel body'.

or 'could you please pass me that bowl of broccoli with the cheesy fat sauce poured all OVER it'?

or 'why are we always so verklempt OVER fat for f*ck sake? dont we have anything better to expend brain cells on'?

or...............................

[Tony]

I think we all had, at one point in our life or another, the body we wanted or close to it. I believe I still have mine; it's just covered by a more mature, seasoned casing. When we fall in love with someone, we see each other's version of the body we wish we had because after all, isn't that what love really is? (hmmmm maybe this should also be in another thread lol).
Anyway, just my .02

[Nomad]

I think we all had, at one point in our life or another, the body we wanted or close to it. I believe I still have mine; it's just covered by a more mature, seasoned casing. When we fall in love with someone, we see each other's version of the body we wish we had because after all, isn't that what love really is? (hmmmm maybe this should also be in another thread lol).
Anyway, just my .02


i have 'six pack' abs. i'm just keeping them in an insulated cooler!

[Tony]

i have 'six pack' abs. i'm just keeping them in an insulated cooler!

I say that all the time!

[Nomad]

I say that all the time!


evil twin? :watereyes: is that you? OMG! it IS you!!!! first we were separated at birth and now............now..........THIS! :bigcry: i'm sooooooo happy!!!!

[Tony]

evil twin? :watereyes: is that you? OMG! it IS you!!!! first we were separated at birth and now............now..........THIS! :bigcry: i'm sooooooo happy!!!!

I'm the more evil one tho, right?

[Nomad]

I didn't see anyone over 5'8"....I will check again just in case I'm a twat and missed it. Funny, I don't see her being the private type.


i count 17 players over 5'8"

the roster is from 2011 and not 2012

[Nomad]

I'm the more evil one tho, right?

tell yourself anything you need to darling.

[Little Fish]

http://www.askthetrainer.com/image-files/fat-percentage-women.jpg

I believe men can actually be "okay" with 3% body fat.
For a female body, it is dangerously low and the stored fat is necessary for day to day body functions. At the height and weight that was previously mentioned .... well, let's just say that it leaves me "speechless".


I love statistics too!
And teach it too!
(got geek?)

I'd like to see the source of the statistics presented.
Also, presenting one individual (the body builder) and contrasting it with Steph in this forum is not terribly practical and really doesn't lend itself to an accurate or precise comparison.

And, who knows HOW Steph's body fat was measured? The reality is, unless she was submerged in a dunk tank with all the forced air expelled from her lungs (the single most accurate way to determine % body fat)--the "calculations" can have a +/- factor of up to 8% or so.....

Steph has impressed me with her kindness, her intellect, her enthusiasm for our Planet her obvious adoration for Amanda--and again, I say Welcome to her.

I'm all out of fucks to give about Steph's body fat %, I'm more concerned with my own.

[apretty]

Wow glad you have the time to do all this.
I read stuff all the time on here that I am highly skeptical about and have never tried to look up someone's info.
Seriously uncool. Two thumbs down from me.

I work plenty and found time in my day to Google the hell out of Steph's remarkable achievements. Only, I don't get why people waited this long to question the inconsistencies: The first time someone posts that she's lifting more weight than any guy I've ever met, I am beyond DELIGHTED.

Basically, Steph's posts are the FIRST posts that I read--What can I say, I love a good novella.

[BullDog]

I work plenty and found time in my day to Google the hell out of Steph's remarkable achievements. Only, I don't get why people waited this long to question the inconsistencies: The first time someone posts that she's lifting more weight than any guy I've ever met, I am beyond DELIGHTED.

Basically, Steph's posts are the FIRST posts that I read--What can I say, I love a good novella.

When someone is new and young to our community I will give them a big benefit of the doubt unless they are being an asshole or in any way shape or form seem they are potentially dangerous or could potentially harm others. I would rather be wrong out of kindness than drum someone out of our community.

If she is lying about how much weight she can lift, or whether she plays on a football team, etc the only person she hurts is herself. I don't like lying or liars but this isn't something that is going to hurt me or anyone else here. If she is lying about anything I do hope she learns from her mistakes.

I know people who have died, been raped, severally beaten, had lots of money bilked from them and other harsh, cruel things based on lies and other deceptions over the internet. Some of it I have seen first hand.

So y'all go ahead with your "Welcome" Wagon.

[Tommi]

I have a scale that measures your BMI. Mine just said please step off Now! Is there a hidden meaning here?

Mine did what cartoon scales do, springs popped out and there was a loud grunt followed by a * BOIIIIIINGGG*


I need a cookie! -->http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1526108281/cookie_bigger.gif

Only batteries on the premises that are dead. :fastdraq:

wow..page 4 already.

[Tony]

tell yourself anything you need to darling.

LMFAO.....

[apretty]

So y'all go ahead with your "Welcome" Wagon.

I hear what you're saying, and I must say, we spend a lot of time achieving authentic space, here. Most of us really put ourselves out 'there' and it's unfortunate, however amusing, to manipulate this medium to play out any non-consensual fantasy life.

[Nomad]

When someone is new and young to our community I will give them a big benefit of the doubt unless they are being an asshole or in any way shape or form seem they are potentially dangerous or could potentially harm others. I would rather be wrong out of kindness than drum someone out of our community.

If she is lying about how much weight she can lift, or whether she plays on a football team, etc the only person she hurts is herself. I don't like lying or liars but this isn't something that is going to hurt me or anyone else here. If she is lying about anything I do hope she learns from her mistakes.

I know people who have died, been raped, severally beaten, had lots of money bilked from them and other harsh, cruel things based on lies and other deceptions over the internet. Some of it I have seen first hand.

So y'all go ahead with your "Welcome" Wagon.



ditto. random public conversation about someone's character is a bummer. if someone has a beef with me i always hope they'll just come at me directly and say 'listen f*ckwit. i gotta problem wit you. let's talk it out.' i'm not a timid little bunny but calling someone someone out as a liar in a thread for something as inconsequential as whether or not they live up to their description of themselves gives me the squickies.

i'm not advocating lying or letting someone get away with lying when we're talkin public safety, the wellbeing of those who are easily exploited, area 51, and etc. i'm sayin that it really doesnt matter if Steph is lying about herself or not because if she is lying then the only person who's gonna be disappointed about the reality of things is Steph. no one needs to build a flashing neon sign and throw glitter at it. lying becomes apparent on its own and ends up reaping an appropriate 'reward' in the long run. (we've all been down that road at least once in life) if Steph is embellishing then Steph pays the price. no one loses a million dollars, no one bursts into flame, no one's birthday gets taken away. if you think a person's posturing is out of the ordinary for most human behavior then the worst thing you can do to them is pay no attention.

(unsubscribing)

[BullDog]

I hear what you're saying, and I must say, we spend a lot of time achieving authentic space, here. Most of us really put ourselves out 'there' and it's unfortunate, however amusing, to manipulate this medium to play out any non-consensual fantasy life.

LOL, non-consensual fantasy life. Really? Well when I read things that I don't believe I roll my eyes and move on.

I have enjoyed quite a few of your one liners over the years but haven't seen a whole lot of in-depth sharing. I must have missed those posts.

You are quite funny at times though. Loved that bold for emphasis. I caught the little inside joke. ;)

[QueenofSmirks]

I give as much eyeroll to the responders who are supposedly concerned for Stephie's health. Do you really think someone who is a PhD candidate from MIT, plays football, has the most amazing girlfriend on the planet, and can out lift most human males needs advice on healthy body fat statistics? I highly doubt it.

As to the original post, I see it as a thinly veiled self-congratulatory slap on the back / ego boost, bordering on bragging, which I find as unappealing as 3% body fat.

[apretty]

I'm deep!

And super COMPLEX!!!@@!1111

[BullDog]

I'm deep!

And super COMPLEX!!!@@!1111

Of course you are! No one could be that funny if they weren't. ;)

[stephfromMIT]

Smirks-Sorry you saw it as stealth bragging. NOT my intention at all. ANd I appreciate all the kind words in this thread about me.

[funkyfemme]

I give as much eyeroll to the responders who are supposedly concerned for Stephie's health. Do you really think someone who is a PhD candidate from MIT, plays football, has the most amazing girlfriend on the planet, and can out lift most human males needs advice on healthy body fat statistics? I highly doubt it.

As to the original post, I see it as a thinly veiled self-congratulatory slap on the back / ego boost, bordering on bragging, which I find as unappealing as 3% body fat.

She is WAY past "bordering on bragging"! Poor thing, she just can't help herself. Bless her heart. I now look forward to more of her super awesomeness as purely entertainment.

[NJFemmie]

http://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/6a00d8341c630a53ef01310f869aeb970c-320wi.jpg

[The_Lady_Snow]

She is WAY past "bordering on bragging"! Poor thing, she just can't help herself. Bless her heart. I now look forward to more of her super awesomeness as purely entertainment.



This right here makes me uncomfy, as does the veiled bless her heart. It makes me grit my teeth cause I KNOW that kind of back handed southern talk disguised as honeyed words.


So not fucking ok.

[Novelafemme]

I keep checking the gallery for Steph's picture.

Not to be mean.

I'm just super nosy and have zero impulse control.

[The_Lady_Snow]

To bad no one grills the newbie Daddy's like Steph is being grilled over her 3% body fat. Imagine the lack of drama if a new Top/Daddy /Lord Master was grilled this way for their stats and pictures.

Just sayin'

[BullDog]

Seriously people if you don't believe her then don't believe her, but do people really have to be nasty and petty? Is this what we are all about?

I agree with Nomad, if you think someone is lying or bragging why not just ignore it.

[NJFemmie]

Ding Dongs.

I blame those.

And cheese.

And bread.






Key lime pie.

I blame that.
I also blame Mare for introducing me to key lime pie.

Bread.
A weakness.

Carbs in general.
The devil created carbs.

[QueenofSmirks]

Smirks-Sorry you saw it as stealth bragging. NOT my intention at all. ANd I appreciate all the kind words in this thread about me.

And I'm sorry you felt that it needed an entire thread dedicated to it. If it was merely a passing thought, you could have just posted it in one of a dozen other threads. If not, then please do clarify what your intention was.

[funkyfemme]

This right here makes me uncomfy, as does the veiled bless her heart. It makes me grit my teeth cause I KNOW that kind of back handed southern talk disguised as honeyed words.


So not fucking ok.

I'm sorry it makes you uncomfy, not my intention. Nothing veiled or back handed about it. I truly feel sorry for her and my words were not "honeyed". I'm hoping she gets a clue and maybe even realizes that it's ok to be yourself, including flaws and all.

[Nomad]

i know i was gonna unsubscribe but right after posting that i forgot about it. so i clicked back on this thread to catch up before unsubscribing because i also have no impulse control. the only thing that came of it is that i now have someone on my 'ignore' list. dont know why. i didnt used to be such a wimp. huh. must be getting old. seems like i can actually tolerate human posturing and harmless stupid more than i can venom.

[NJFemmie]

I just think that if you are going to start a public thread with some really outrageous claims of strength and such, people are going to question it. This is a public forum, and not everyone is going to agree or accept everything that is said at face value. I mean, I know that the internet doesn't lie (tongue in cheek) and that everyone online is completely and totally honest to a fault (tongue on other side of cheek)....

... but we're talking about some amazing stuff here. Can it be true? Maybe. Can it be a sack of wet lies? Certainly. It's only human nature to question.

My own intention is not to grill anyone.

[yotlyolqualli]

I'm sorry it makes you uncomfy, not my intention. Nothing veiled or back handed about it. I truly feel sorry for her and my words were not "honeyed". I'm hoping she gets a clue and maybe even realizes that it's ok to be yourself, including flaws and all.


You say that as if it's a foregone conclusion that she is in some way being misleading.


Now, for all the haters... cause that IS what you're being... for all of you... seriously, unless you know for absolute sure that this person is not who she says she is, why would you even feel the need to post such negative bullshit on this thread? Why the need to post at ALL?

Furthermore, if you DO know for sure, then DON'T READ her threads. See how simple and drama free life can be? But maybe that's the entire point, there are those who thrive on drama.

I agree, this thread has started to suck, but not because of the OP's post. Rather, it's because of those who THINK their opinion is fact and they feel a need to belittle and put down, BASED on that OPINION!


As Mother would say... "if you don't have anything nice to say about someone, then shut up till you grow up."

[apretty]

You say that as if it's a foregone conclusion that she is in some way being misleading.


Now, for all the haters... cause that IS what you're being... for all of you... seriously, unless you know for absolute sure that this person is not who she says she is, why would you even feel the need to post such negative bullshit on this thread? Why the need to post at ALL?

Furthermore, if you DO know for sure, then DON'T READ her threads. See how simple and drama free life can be? But maybe that's the entire point, there are those who thrive on drama.

I agree, this thread has started to suck, but not because of the OP's post. Rather, it's because of those who THINK their opinion is fact and they feel a need to belittle and put down, BASED on that OPINION!


As Mother would say... "if you don't have anything nice to say about someone, then shut up till you grow up."

Is this you, not thriving on drama?

[Nomad]

huh. another 'wow. just wow' moment for me.

oh well.

[Hack]

I am sorry if I am missing the point here, but ...

Why do we care?

Why do we care about her body fat percentage?

Why do we care if she is lying or being deceitful?

Why do we care so much about someone we don't know, may never meet and likely will never befriend?

I want someone to honestly tell me why they care so much about this in the grand scheme of life?

I will be 100 percent honest with you. I find the posts in here grossly disturbing and weirdly annoying. If I came in here and said I had three heads would you all jump on it and analyze and re-analyze my every word? Google search me for "proof?"

It's the Internet. Take it at face value. Think to yourself (operative phrase here), "Thanks for sharing and have a nice day."

Good lord.

Jake

[funkyfemme]

You say that as if it's a foregone conclusion that she is in some way being misleading.


Now, for all the haters... cause that IS what you're being... for all of you... seriously, unless you know for absolute sure that this person is not who she says she is, why would you even feel the need to post such negative bullshit on this thread? Why the need to post at ALL?

Furthermore, if you DO know for sure, then DON'T READ her threads. See how simple and drama free life can be? But maybe that's the entire point, there are those who thrive on drama.

I agree, this thread has started to suck, but not because of the OP's post. Rather, it's because of those who THINK their opinion is fact and they feel a need to belittle and put down, BASED on that OPINION!


As Mother would say... "if you don't have anything nice to say about someone, then shut up till you grow up."

I'm not hating sweetheart, I can smell BS when it's fresh and have no problem calling someone out on it.

Now, how's about you go back and look through my 600+ posts and see if you can find any fuckin drama!! I DO NOT do drama AT ALL!! It just so happens that this last thread was the final straw (maybe my raging PMS had something to do with it, whofuckinknows!)! I smelled BS from day one with this person and simply rolled my eyes, laughed and let it go thread after ridiculous thread started by her and then.I.snapped! I hate when I lose control like that.

Oh and BTW, I'm not belittling or putting her down. I simply asked for a little proof (along with several other ppl) to back up some of her outrageous claims. Funny how she has continued to ignore folks that (in the beginning) showed an interest and wanted to see just how amazing she supposedly is. Where's the harm in that? When someone is that badass/awesome, we lesserthans just wanna gawk and perv.

[Hack]

Why do you need proof of anything?

Seriously.

[funkyfemme]

Why do you need proof of anything?

Seriously.

I really don't actually. The claims she made were just crazy and for a while I just laughed and moved on. Like I said, yesterday I just plain snapped. Call it hormones, whatever. I will not continue to engage in this crappy behavior (speaking for MYself only).

[BullDog]

I'm not hating sweetheart, I can smell BS when it's fresh and have no problem calling someone out on it.

Now, how's about you go back and look through my 600+ posts and see if you can find any fuckin drama!! I DO NOT do drama AT ALL!! It just so happens that this last thread was the final straw (maybe my raging PMS had something to do with it, whofuckinknows!)! I smelled BS from day one with this person and simply rolled my eyes, laughed and let it go thread after ridiculous thread started by her and then.I.snapped! I hate when I lose control like that.

Oh and BTW, I'm not belittling or putting her down. I simply asked for a little proof (along with several other ppl) to back up some of her outrageous claims. Funny how she has continued to ignore folks that (in the beginning) showed an interest and wanted to see just how amazing she supposedly is. Where's the harm in that? When someone is that badass/awesome, we lesserthans just wanna gawk and perv.

Ridiculous thread after ridiculous thread? Well some of them have turned out to be quite interesting.

When she has something on her mind, she starts a thread. That's not how most of us do it. Oh well.

Seriously, WTF do you care? And have you ever stopped to think that as far as we know she is a young kid looking for community? I remember when I was 23 and I could have used some.

[Allison W]

As someone who's not exactly going to clamor for Steph's personal info here, my best guess as to why people want proof of her claims is because if they're true, she is the badass hero destined to save us from (insert your least favourite bogeyman here, like "the far-right war on women" or such) and we mere mortals need to find the Sword of Truth for her like right now.

[stephfromMIT]

Allison-Thanks, I will kick the Tea Party's ass for you all.

[ruffryder]

Just for shiggles, I had my body fat measured. I have 3% body fat! I saw that, and thought,"Knew I was lean, didn't realize I was that lean!"


If you don't mind what does your typical day include for meals and workout?

... and what other supplements / pills / things do you put in your body and how often?

Thanks!

[Hack]

As someone who's not exactly going to clamor for Steph's personal info here, my best guess as to why people want proof of her claims is because if they're true, she is the badass hero destined to save us from (insert your least favourite bogeyman here, like "the far-right war on women" or such) and we mere mortals need to find the Sword of Truth for her like right now.

Good luck with that. ;)

[Daywalker]

I remember being new to the Forums.

:vampirebat:

My first thread turned into what someone (brainyfemme:rrose:) at the time said
was a record setting train wreck. I can remember going back in there
and seeing what had transpired since mah first post. It was a hot mess.
:|

I hung in there and straightened out any misunderstandings, etc...etc.

(~ I had posted a Prose piece and folks
thought I was pouring mah broken heart out)
:hamactor:

I haven't stopped making threads, I haven't stopped making
friends, I haven't stopped learning and I am grateful
I hung in there on the first train wreck.


:daywalker:

[stephfromMIT]

I eat pretty much what I want.

My workouts:

I do two lifts of: Bench, Squat, Deadlift and 1 calistetic of: Situp, Pushup, Chin up. I rotate them through a month.

[yotlyolqualli]

I'm not hating sweetheart, I can smell BS when it's fresh and have no problem calling someone out on it.

Now, how's about you go back and look through my 600+ posts and see if you can find any fuckin drama!! I DO NOT do drama AT ALL!! It just so happens that this last thread was the final straw (maybe my raging PMS had something to do with it, whofuckinknows!)! I smelled BS from day one with this person and simply rolled my eyes, laughed and let it go thread after ridiculous thread started by her and then.I.snapped! I hate when I lose control like that.

Oh and BTW, I'm not belittling or putting her down. I simply asked for a little proof (along with several other ppl) to back up some of her outrageous claims. Funny how she has continued to ignore folks that (in the beginning) showed an interest and wanted to see just how amazing she supposedly is. Where's the harm in that? When someone is that badass/awesome, we lesserthans just wanna gawk and perv.


"Bless her heart"

"I feel sorry for her"

"SWEETHEART!!??"

Ok, now, your above posts, taken of course, at face value, because obviously, I don't KNOW you, but, apparently, that doesn't mean a damned thing when it comes to judging people, at least for you... based on that above post, you don't truly give a flying fuck if her heart is ever blessed, you could give a rats ass about her... and hence can't feel sorry for her.. and I don't know where you come from... but if I were in a workplace and ANYONE I did not know, called me sweetheart, which, unless it is said from a lover to her lover is diminishing in it's use, I would turn your ass in.

I would never call anyone by anything but there name, or, on here, their handle, without first, asking permission.

But, again, looking back at your responses here (the entire PMS excuse) and again, without TRULY knowing you, (and we've already established that that isn't necessary to judge someone) I'd say you knew damned full well when you said those afore mentioned things, you were being demeaning, in a honey coated kind of way. I too KNOW the southern "polite" sweet as pie, ways of putting others down, and they are no less demeaning then one's spouted straight out.

As for thriving on drama... well.. ya'll... I challenge you to look at any of my posts and find any place where I have deliberately and methodically tried to rip someone, or their authenticity, apart. The only harsh words I have ever posted, were in response to hate filled posts directed at an individual. Especially when they are done by a mob mentality... it feeds off of itself and really, aren't we all just a little to OLD and intelligent to simply say or do something just because we can??

I am genuinely (tongue in cheek) concerned for you, however. If an online forum can make you lose your temper, what does the real world do to you?

Ok... that last bit was snarky, I'll just blame on the anemia and low hemoglobin, the cramps, ovulating and just being downright grumpy today.

[yotlyolqualli]

steph, do you take any kind of protein supplements? I am always, always, always low on iron and protein... like mal nourished low... and I've not been able to tolerate protein supplements, however, I am sure they are coming up with new ones and am always looking for things I can do that doesn't include raw liver, beef or even eating meat every single day for the rest of my entire life (cause while I like meat, my stomach doesn't always).

BTW, welcome to the Planet. I've enjoyed reading your threads!

[Toughy]

Everybody keeps talking about how much weight she can lift. I'm clueless about that. Anybody want to share it and was it a dead lift, a bench press, clean and jerk or what?

I'm also clueless about her lying or not.........and who cares.....

Certainly instead of a new thread this could have been posted in the WTF/Zombie thread, but then we would not have all this drama about truth-telling. And she is a newbie and might not yet have the hang of all the threads.

[princessbelle]

In the words of Paul...

RdopMqrftXs

[firegal]

Everybody keeps talking about how much weight she can lift. I'm clueless about that. Anybody want to share it and was it a dead lift, a bench press, clean and jerk or what?

I'm also clueless about her lying or not.........and who cares.....

Certainly instead of a new thread this could have been posted in the WTF/Zombie thread, but then we would not have all this drama about truth-telling. And she is a newbie and might not yet have the hang of all the threads.

Toughy stephs post in another thread here states she does...

Bench 450- 20 reps
Squat 670 10 reps
Dead lift 915-5 reps

World powerlifting Federation records

Womens open class
Liz Freel USA dead Lift 227 Kg.=500 pounds 9/6/10

Deborah Fennel USA benched 419.5 pounds 5/2006

These were ONE rep mind you.

So 20 reps at 450 would make more than a few folks cock their head to the side and go....what?????

Alot has been chewed up and spit out.... what i,m hearing that saddens me is justification for untruth....if one of our bros or sisters get lied to and hurt we dont sit and defend....

and we wouldnt sit and ignore.

Some of these claims are very questionable.... played 6 years on a team thats only been formed since 2008.

I noticed it weeks ago and ignored it.... but the stuff going on here got me to post.

Especially when i hear untruths being defended and in the same breath talking about folks here being hurt by lies and DECEPTION.

Is it ok or isnt it folks? Is there good deception and bad deception?

Which is acceptible?

[BullDog]

Not one single person has defended lying or deception. If she is lying about how much weight she lifts she only hurts herself. Don't believe her if don't want to.

[QueenofSmirks]

A perfect example of irony and contradiction: claiming not to care about what someone posts, but obviously caring enough to ask why other people care. Perfect.

[Nomad]

show of hands.....how many people have never told a lie or made a fool of themselves? fact: some of us do it repeatedly until the self-respect light comes on. yep. self-respect. has nothing to do with the audience and everything to do with thinkin you're not good enough as you are.

there are lots of nice people who used to be serious idiots. i spent decades of my life being a f*ck up and i'm never gonna be anything other than a person who used to be a f*ck up. hell i coulda made a damn profession outta being stoopid. sometimes it takes half a lifetime or more to learn basic human being sh*t, believe it or not. if owning that means that i cant become a better person in your eyes then by all means, click the 'ignore' option next to my name. i'll help you point the cursor.

so sick of the 'i'm better than you because i dont tell lies' attitude. tell lies all you want. i might not trust you with everything but i'll always look to understand the reasons why you lie because there's information there that will help me understand something about you and maybe learn something myself. but publicly deride others for their humanity, weaknesses and short comings and i wont bother trying to understand your reasoning. i already know it:

- a liar thinks they need to be better than they are, so they lie. it's sad but it's usually fixable.
- the sanctimonious already believe they're better than everyone else and they're out to prove it. gotta be careful tho. that holier than thou sh*t can be permanent if you're not payin attention.

[BullDog]

I certainly see a lot of contradictions all right.

I care about how new and young people are treated here- not one of our strong points. As I say, until I see any reason not to, I will cut them slack. I don't care for lying or deceit of any kind, but if they aren't endangering others it is their problem to deal with.

[Daywalker]

We've seen it all on the forums, and have probably at one
point in our lives done one or more of the following:

Embellishing

Exaggerating

Fabricating

The kind of thing that seems harmless...right?

Then there is lying.
And the Intent.

To Me
...to lie with the intent to make yourself feel better does not mean
that you're always aware of the fact that while doing
so you are making others feel as though the intent
is to make them feel bad about themselves.

I learned this one at a young age.

But there's a default feature of my own
that follows the veins of the 'benefit of the doubt' theory.
:thinking:

Throwing in statistics that make the OP's numbers from another thread
seem unobtainable surely has to have folks wondering whether
there's embellishing or otherwise happening.

So I think that speculating seems fairly ordinary at this point.

Of course, the manner in which we all engage about it should
not be such that it raises the blood pressure of our keyboards...n stuff.

:weedsmoke:

:daywalker:

[Ginger]

We've seen it all on the forums, and have probably at one
point in our lives done one or more of the following:

Embellishing

Exaggerating

Fabricating

The kind of thing that seems harmless...right?


:weedsmoke:

:daywalker:


Hi, Daywalker.

No, I haven't been aware of seeing any of those things on the threads.

And there were only a couple times when I thought there was intentional fabrication designed to manipulate readers in a potentially malicious way—and I reported it.

But the vast majority of the time, I take things at face value. Your post makes me wonder if I'm not a critical enough reader.

Thinking about it.
Scout

[Kobi]

At the risk of really mucking things up, my gut is sending out signals that we are being played with by a bunch of high school males. Something just doesnt feel right.

[Ginger]

I don't care for lying or deceit of any kind, but if they aren't endangering others it is their problem to deal with.


Hey, Bulldog. Not talking about this thread in particular but in a general way—

I have to respectfully disagree.

I think lying and deceitfulness violate a tacit agreement on online forums that people will represent themselves authentically.

If I invest time and thought and emotion into building online friendships and comradery with people on a social website, I will feel tricked and used if their side of it was fictional, while mine was not.

It's like I'm naked, and they have all their clothes on—but were pretending to be naked. If that makes sense. Probably not.

Let me try again.

I don't want to be used as an audience for someone's need to be something other that who they really are.

It disgusts me. I would tell them, Go jerk off to some other reader.

And it's okay that you and I have such different views on it, I just wanted to say mine.

Thanks,
Scout

[BullDog]

Hey, Bulldog. Not talking about this thread in particular but in a general way—

I have to respectfully disagree.

I think lying and deceitfulness violate a tacit agreement on online forums that people will represent themselves authentically.

If I invest time and thought and emotion into building online friendships and comradery with people on a social website, I will feel tricked and used if their side of it was fictional, while mine was not.

It's like I'm naked, and they have all their clothes on—but were pretending to be naked. If that makes sense. Probably not.

Let me try again.

I don't want to be used as an audience for someone's need to be something other that who they really are.

It disgusts me. I would tell them, Go jerk off to some other reader.

And it's okay that you and I have such different views on it, I just wanted to say mine.

Thanks,
Scout

If I feel someone is liar I wont engage with them. I don't form any sort of emotional investment with them.

I have known of many people who have misrepresented themselves on these forums, some in minor ways and some in major ways, some for many years. There is never any excuse for it, but I am under no illusion that the majority of people represent themselves here authentically. Some do. Some people I do know personally and although the online world doesn't completely do them justice, they are real and authentic people.

Kobi, interesting theory. Personally I don't think high school boys would pose this way or know enough about butch femme. I can't imagine why someone would say they were happily engaged to their high school sweetheart if they wanted to pull the rug over on the whole forum. I would think we would see Super Stud Single Butch. Shrug. Who knows.

[princessbelle]

At the risk of really mucking things up, my gut is sending out signals that we are being played with by a bunch of high school males. Something just doesnt feel right.



Gosh i hope not Kobi.

I was just thinking. When i was 23 i had a baby on one hip and one on the way. It would have been LIFE changing if i had been privy to the internet and a place like BFP to help me find my way.

I don't even think the internet was invented when i was 23 come to think of it LOL. But, my point is...

If this is someone who is truly that young and they are trying to find community, i don't want to see them run off.

I am one of the peeps that just really, really hopes, that this person is reaching out for a hand and finding their way. And i'm hoping that even if they are embellishing a little here and there, they will "get it" and their lives will be BETTER having found us as a home.

[QueenofSmirks]

I certainly see a lot of contradictions all right.

I care about how new and young people are treated here- not one of our strong points. As I say, until I see any reason not to, I will cut them slack. I don't care for lying or deceit of any kind, but if they aren't endangering others it is their problem to deal with.

I disagree. When someone comes into a community and lies and deceives, it's a problem, and shouldn't be ignored. All societies socialize their members.

However, that wasn't really my issue. I posted that the thread seems self-serving and self-congratulatory. when Stephie said that wasn't the intent, I asked for clarification of the intent by making a thread out of this, rather than just posting a comment in another thread. Stephie has chosen not to respond, which is certainly Stephie's right, but it doesn't help me change my opinion if it is, indeed, a misunderstanding on my part.

[BullDog]

LOL she starts threads every time she has a thought. I don't think she quite gets the navigation system- so on that one point I do think you are over thinking.

Keep on beating at this if you want to. I see worse problems on this forum that are more important of my attention, and there is lots of lying and shitty behavior that happens all the time.

[Novelafemme]

:deadhorse:

Negative attention is still attention, folks.

[ruffryder]

First, your body fat percentage is simply the percentage of fat your body contains. If you are 150 pounds and 10% fat, it means that your body consists of 15 pounds fat and 135 pounds lean body mass (bone, muscle, organ tissue, blood and everything else).

A certain amount of fat is essential to bodily functions. Fat regulates body temperature, cushions and insulates organs and tissues and is the main form of the body's energy storage. The following table describes body fat ranges and their associated categories:

*General Body Fat Percentage Categories


Classification Women (% fat) ............. Men (% fat)



Essential Fat 10-12% ................ 2-4%



Athletes 14-20% ................ 6-13%



Fitness 21-24% ............... 14-17%



Acceptable 25-31% ................ 18-25%



Obese 32% plus ................ 25% plus


*American Council on Exercise

Knowing your body fat percentage can also help you determine if your weight loss goals are realistic. Remember, weight loss doesn't always mean fat loss. For example:

Let's say you're a 130# woman with 23% body fat, and you goal is to "lose 20 pounds":


Initial body fat: 130# x 0.23 fat = 30 # body fat

Lean body mass: 130# total - 30# fat = 100# lean body mass (bones, organs and all else)

Goal: 130# - 20# = 110 pounds

As you can see, the goal of losing 20 pounds is not realistic or healthy. At 110 pounds, this woman still requires 100# of lean body mass (bones, organs, etc.), but would only be carrying 10#, or only 9% body fat. From the chart above, you can see that this is a dangerously low percentage.

A better goal might be for the woman to reduce her body fat from 23% to 18%. In this case:


130# x 0.18 = 23 # body fat

100# lean body mass + 23 # = 123# goal weight

So, for this individual to achieve a lean, but healthy 18% fat, she would need to lose only 7 pounds of fat, reducing her weight from her current 130 pounds to 123 pounds. Losing more than 7 pounds means losing lean body mass (usually metabolically-active muscle tissue), which is clearly not desirable.

So before you decide that you need to "lose weight", remember to consider that "weight" consists of both lean body mass and body fat. Try to keep your weight loss goals realistic, and remember, keep the calorie-burning muscle, and lose only the fat.

Source: Health Check Systems

[aishah]

okay, i only read part of this thread because my head started to hurt.

i came in here to say...assuming what you say is true because i like to believe the best of people...i am so so happy for you that you're meeting your body and athletic goals.

but i've also had an eating disorder for half my life and i lost my period and put my body in severe danger by having too little body fat (and the amount of body fat one needs for women is higher than for men). i was at my sickest when i was most athletic (i'm a dancer). i didn't mind losing my period but i mind now the long-term damage to my reproductive system, bones, and metabolism.

i'm not saying you have an eating disorder, but for any woman, having body fat % that low is really dangerous.

please please take care of yourself.

[Parker]

I have a scale that measures your BMI. Mine just said please step off Now! Is there a hidden meaning here?
I lol'd at this.

I use my Wii Fit Plus board to weigh myself and get my body fat measurements - I like it better than the VA scales because they got me weighing 20lbs heavier than my WFP :winky:

But every time I step onto my WFP board, the damn thing says, "OH!" ... as if I am so damn heavy even the machine cant take it!

And when my body fat measurement comes up, she tells me, "That's obese!" as if I dont already know that!

I hate that damn thing - she's so mean. lol



eta: ugh - I totally want to eat now! lol

[QueenofSmirks]

Keep on beating at this if you want to. I see worse problems on this forum that are more important of my attention, and there is lots of lying and shitty behavior that happens all the time.

Gee, last time I looked I didn't ask for anyone's permission to post in threads, but thanks for granting yours. Furthermore, according to you, there are worse problems that are more important of your attention, yet, here you are, commenting about my involvement in THIS thread. Did I miss something?

[BullDog]

Gee, last time I looked I didn't ask for anyone's permission to post in threads, but thanks for granting yours. Furthermore, according to you, there are worse problems that are more important of your attention, yet, here you are, commenting about my involvement in THIS thread. Did I miss something?

LOL thee Almighty BullDog was not granting you any permission. Eyeball roll.

EDIT: I am really going to try and make this my last post here because this is truly ridiculous.

I see a new young person that as far as I know is a young 23 year butch. I think what a difference it would have made if I could have found a butch femme community at that age, and I hope for the best and give the kid some slack.

If it turns out she is not who she says she is, I will fill a twinge of sadness and my life will go on. She will not have harmed me.

It really, really does bother me how a part of our community treats new and young people here. It really, really does not make me feel good.

I am done.

[QueenofSmirks]

I lol'd at this.

I use my Wii Fit Plus board to weigh myself and get my body fat measurements - I like it better than the VA scales because they got me weighing 20lbs heavier than my WFP :winky:

But every time I step onto my WFP board, the damn thing says, "OH!" ... as if I am so damn heavy even the machine cant take it!

And when my body fat measurement comes up, she tells me, "That's obese!" as if I dont already know that!

I hate that damn thing - she's so mean. lol

eta: ugh - I totally want to eat now! lol


Yes but at least it does so in that cute alien-ish voice, like mine does when it tells me I haven't quite reached my goal. LOL

[aishah]

okay, i so wanted a wii fit til i read that :P that's hysterical! and mean. i think i'd probably beat it up. and then eat ice cream.

[QueenofSmirks]

LOL thee Almight BullDog was not granting you any permission. Eyeball roll.

Now please don't use that tone, because it's kind of hot, and makes it difficult to stay adversarial. *smirk*

Ok, well to clarify, that was in response to your one-liner, not your edited, expanded post.

[Parker]

Yes but at least it does so in that cute alien-ish voice, like mine does when it tells me I haven't quite reached my goal. LOL

She's not so cute when she's scolding me for waiting so long between workouts and weight-ins! lol

Of course, it's kind of funny when she's asking me where I've been and I'm standing there, stammering, trying to come up with a good excuse ..... to a machine.

[QueenofSmirks]

She's not so cute when she's scolding me for waiting so long between workouts and weight-ins! lol

Of course, it's kind of funny when she's asking me where I've been and I'm standing there, stammering, trying to come up with a good excuse ..... to a machine.


Ummm...yeah. about 2 months ago, I stepped on and she said "it's been 293 days since your last visit" and I was like O M G, she's going to electrocute me as soon as I weigh in! LOL

[aishah]

LOL thee Almighty BullDog was not granting you any permission. Eyeball roll.

EDIT: I am really going to try and make this my last post here because this is truly ridiculous.

I see a new young person that as far as I know is a young 23 year butch. I think what a difference it would have made if I could have found a butch femme community at that age, and I hope for the best and give the kid some slack.

If it turns out she is not who she says she is, I will fill a twinge of sadness and my life will go on. She will not have harmed me.

It really, really does bother me how a part of our community treats new and young people here. It really, really does not make me feel good.

I am done.

this might be a bit of a derail, but the ageism issue has come up in a few threads recently, and i think i'm one of the youngest posters here so it's made me stop and think.

i found this community shortly after i turned 24 and it's definitely changed my life and i'm really grateful for it.

there've been a few cases where i've felt people were condescending towards me because of my age, but thankfully those have been relatively few and far between.

i'm grateful that there are people here who actively want to welcome younger people and who value what we have to say. not only that, but people who want (and are willing to support) our participation fully in the community - it meant a lot to me to get a scholarship to the reunion and to have people ask me and follow up with me about being able to go. and to have people just continuously engage with me through rep comments, posts, and pms. i have almost always felt welcomed and valued here.

i definitely wouldn't want anyone to leave because they felt attacked on the basis of age. (or because they felt like they did/said something stupid...i think we've all done that here more than a few times. i know i have, and often it had nothing to do with age.)

[NJFemmie]

I lol'd at this.

I use my Wii Fit Plus board to weigh myself and get my body fat measurements - I like it better than the VA scales because they got me weighing 20lbs heavier than my WFP :winky:

But every time I step onto my WFP board, the damn thing says, "OH!" ... as if I am so damn heavy even the machine cant take it!

And when my body fat measurement comes up, she tells me, "That's obese!" as if I dont already know that!

I hate that damn thing - she's so mean. lol



eta: ugh - I totally want to eat now! lol


Haha! I HATE that "OH", and I don't think I even warrant an "OH".
Now, if it were "ooooohhhhh", I could deal, but really?!?
She makes me very angry sometimes.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/transformers-toy-discussion/27290919d1334386884-tf-supah-cleah-pics-thread-2012-rules-first-post-updated-5-24-baby-fist.bmp

[Corkey]

I understood it whan I was carrying around the basketball sized mini me, but damn give a guy a break, OH indeed!

[QueenofSmirks]

I'm all for a community of diversity, however, I don't believe in excusing people's behavior because of X (pick age or whatever you'd like). Yes, I can see how some mistakes can be made because of someone's inexperience with the website; yes, I did see some extremely vicious posts in response to the OP, but I would expect a person who is a PhD candidate from MIT to be able to understand where the conflict is coming from and why, and to formulate a response. At 23 I worked full time, went to school, and was paying a mortgage. 23 is adulthood. Young adulthood yes, but still adulthood.

[firegal]

LOL thee Almighty BullDog was not granting you any permission. Eyeball roll.

EDIT: I am really going to try and make this my last post here because this is truly ridiculous.

I see a new young person that as far as I know is a young 23 year butch. I think what a difference it would have made if I could have found a butch femme community at that age, and I hope for the best and give the kid some slack.

If it turns out she is not who she says she is, I will fill a twinge of sadness and my life will go on. She will not have harmed me.

It really, really does bother me how a part of our community treats new and young people here. It really, really does not make me feel good.

I am done.

Again i dont get it... So what age is appropriate to engage in questioning statements and facts that seem downright questionable?..... 30...35?

and how long do we have to wait for the new member to respond to not one but many questionable statements?..... 6 months.....1 year?

So what changes in that time as far as our facts and "treatment" goes?

I thought treatment had to do with how we asked,what we said, how we said it,

I didnt realize that just questioning the validity/facts was outright poor treatment.

I was raised that if it smells like poop.... go ahead call it poop!

and/or its ok to question things and encouraged at times to do so.....

While using respectfull language.

I will stand by how my mom taught me!

[The_Lady_Snow]

The Wii fitness voice is a SADIST!!!!


*measuring* measuring*

[Corkey]

Understand I do have issues with people misrepresenting themselves. I also have issues with folks piling on. One thing I will say is that knowing a few introverts who are on the genius side of life, sometimes the social ques are not the same as the rest of the extrovert world. I will allow a young person more latitude than someone who has been on forums as long as I have. There is a learning curve, we all were at one point newbies.

[QueenofSmirks]

*measuring* measuring*

LMAO! Okay, I admit, sometimes I want to snuff out that voice!

[BullDog]

Again i dont get it... So what age is appropriate to engage in questioning statements and facts that seem downright questionable?..... 30...35?

and how long do we have to wait for the new member to respond to not one but many questionable statements?..... 6 months.....1 year?

So what changes in that time as far as our facts and "treatment" goes?

I thought treatment had to do with how we asked,what we said, how we said it,

I didnt realize that just questioning the validity/facts was outright poor treatment.

I was raised that if it smells like poop.... go ahead call it poop!

and/or its ok to question things and encouraged at times to do so.....

While using respectfull language.

I will stand by how my mom taught me!

Yes the "poop" has been called out by you and several others multiple times.

What do you want, blood?

People can always contact Admin if they think it's a serious issue.

[princessbelle]

Understand I do have issues with people misrepresenting themselves. I also have issues with folks piling on. One thing I will say is that knowing a few introverts who are on the genius side of life, sometimes the social ques are not the same as the rest of the extrovert world. I will allow a young person more latitude than someone who has been on forums as long as I have. There is a learning curve, we all were at one point newbies.

So true Corkey!!!!

We were all new at one point and some of us had peeps that helped us get the hang of it all. Some don't/didn't.

Just as aishah said, we've all (many) have done things we are not proud of, whether it was saying things without thinking, coming from a place of naivety, non-rational thinking, projecting, anger, etc.

No one is perfect. Not even us queers. We all make mistakes.

IMO life is a journey, we try new waters and grow. Hopefully we listen and learn as well and not give up even when the waters turn rough.

Hopefully that will be the case here.

[firegal]

Yes the "poop" has been called out by you and several others multiple times.

What do you want, blood?

People can always contact Admin if they think it's a serious issue.

and people CAN comment about it ... in these are forums...threads where we can discuss and post and have the right to do so while following the TOS.

again just because we dont agree or believe the same doesnt mean its poor treatment.

What i would like?... only cuz you asked!.....sounded like you were asking me from the blood ? .... is to be able to call poop-poop and respond and/or question facts without it being some how called poor treatment.

[BullDog]

It feels seriously shitty to me and that is my honest opinion. I don't care if you agree with me or not.

Edit: what I feel is shitty is for people to keep hammering away.

[Corkey]

So far there hasn't been an instance where the OP has broken the TOS, but this piling on is getting old. If you have an issue with the OP please take it to the Mods and leave the rest of us to Our opinion. Thanks.

[CharmingButch25]

Maybe she is stretching the truth for attention or maybe she is missing something in her life, lies are never good regardless and I do not believe her age plays into anything im just a few years older and know lies get no one anywhere, I dont tolerate lies but I also try to stop and put myself in the persons shoes she obviously is doing it for one reason or another has anyone stopped to ask her Steph what's making you stretch the truth we will accept you without the lies and your safe here so just explain why I am always here as a listening ear

[Strappie]

Quite honestly I'm a little sad Admin hasn't shut this thread down... This has gone way to far and to be honest... The truth will come out eventually....

Let it be already!

[QueenofSmirks]

Quite honestly I'm a little sad Admin hasn't shut this thread down... This has gone way to far and to be honest... The truth will come out eventually....

Let it be already!

I'm not sure what you're basing your opinion on, but I don't see anything that far out of line. I saw some shitty posts, yes, but nothing I haven't seen before, and I'm not even sure they broke any TOS. I see a lot of posts where people are questioning the OP's statements because they are quite fantastic, but like so many of these types of threads, when the OP doesn't return to respond to even the most neutral and sincerest of questions, it leads to speculation by others who have already posted. And like other threads before this, if the OP never comes back, it'll be chalked up to another hoax and everyone will forget about it.

[CharmingButch25]

I apologize I didn't mean anything bad, hope everyone has a good evening

[CharmingButch25]

Yes after going back and re reading what I wrote it didn't sound very nice I wouldn't want anyone ganging up on me and I shouldn't have said anything. Have a good evening June and everyone else.

[*Anya*]

I lol'd at this.

I use my Wii Fit Plus board to weigh myself and get my body fat measurements - I like it better than the VA scales because they got me weighing 20lbs heavier than my WFP :winky:

But every time I step onto my WFP board, the damn thing says, "OH!" ... as if I am so damn heavy even the machine cant take it!

And when my body fat measurement comes up, she tells me, "That's obese!" as if I dont already know that!

I hate that damn thing - she's so mean. lol



eta: ugh - I totally want to eat now! lol


OMFG! This is the funniest thing ever!

Not that the voice is mean but your post!

I think I would want to throw that board out the window.

Btw, my BMI barely makes it into average now. One more fraction of a fraction of an ounce and, well, you know....

I don't think I had 3% body fat when I was born.

[stephfromMIT]

I disagree. When someone comes into a community and lies and deceives, it's a problem, and shouldn't be ignored. All societies socialize their members.

However, that wasn't really my issue. I posted that the thread seems self-serving and self-congratulatory. when Stephie said that wasn't the intent, I asked for clarification of the intent by making a thread out of this, rather than just posting a comment in another thread. Stephie has chosen not to respond, which is certainly Stephie's right, but it doesn't help me change my opinion if it is, indeed, a misunderstanding on my part.

Sorry Smirks. My clarification- I was just talking about an interesting thing that had happened to me. Someone also wondered why I posted it as a new thread: In general, I prefer not to hijack threads. I may need to get over that fear, though.

[Electrocell]

Yes after going back and re reading what I wrote it didn't sound very nice I wouldn't want anyone ganging up on me and I shouldn't have said anything. Have a good evening June and everyone else.

I understood what you were trying to say but I guess I'm weird that way lol. Read between the lines and analyze everything. Try to see all the different sides. Ya know instead of just seeing the trees I try to see the whole forrest :D.

[Parker]

OMFG! This is the funniest thing ever!

Not that the voice is mean but your post!

I think I would want to throw that board out the window.

Btw, my BMI barely makes it into average now. One more fraction of a fraction of an ounce and, well, you know....

I don't think I had 3% body fat when I was born.

The first time it happened, I was all, "what did she just say?"

Then when I figured it out .... oh hell no.

LOL



You know, the lowest body fat I have ever had was when I was 21 years old and in boot camp - I was 5'10" (still am, actually, I havent begun to shrink - yet!), 135lbs, and 11% body fat.

Girl, let me tell you, my body flipped its shit - among other things that I cant remember because this was 20 years ago, I stopped having my period for 3 months (boot camp and school afterwards) and I almost completely stopped sweating, which in the Florida sun during July and August is not a good thing. lol

I have had moments where I look at pics of myself back then and long to be that thin again, but honestly, I think it was unbelievably unhealthy - for me - to be that thin with that BMI.

Dont get me wrong, I am no healthier now than I was then - I have gone from one extreme to another since I am now carrying around a Back Street Boy with a weight of 265 & a BMI of 38% if you believe my Wii - a weight of 285 & a BMI of over 40% if you believe the VA, so .... yeah.

Apparently, I need to find a happy medium! :winky:

[Parker]

Sorry Smirks. My clarification- I was just talking about an interesting thing that had happened to me. Someone also wondered why I posted it as a new thread: In general, I prefer not to hijack threads. I may need to get over that fear, though.

If you pick the right thread, it isnt a hijack. :winky:

I agree, going into the Daddy/girl thread to talk about your BMI would probably be a derail and send them all to shaking and scratching their heads!

But the CIJS (Can I Just Say) thread, for example, is filled with a lot of BFPers (like me) just sharing info about themselves, their day, their lives, etc; and while the YSK (You Should Know) thread started out as something different, it has evolved into the same kind of thread - a sort of YSK this or that about me (general me, not just me Parker lol).

Those are just 2 off of the top of my head - there are loads of others in various other areas of the forums where you can share a few things about yourself without feeling like you are derailing. :)

[aishah]

Sorry Smirks. My clarification- I was just talking about an interesting thing that had happened to me. Someone also wondered why I posted it as a new thread: In general, I prefer not to hijack threads. I may need to get over that fear, though.

i struggled with the fear of hijacking threads for awhile (sometimes still do). the fun and games forum has lots of threads to post life updates/awesome things that are going on/etc. and for what it's worth, i have found that helpful. it took me awhile to get used to posting in there, though.

[Corkey]

i struggled with the fear of hijacking threads for awhile (sometimes still do). the fun and games forum has lots of threads to post life updates/awesome things that are going on/etc. and for what it's worth, i have found that helpful. it took me awhile to get used to posting in there, though.

Ami and I are pros at it just ask Gemme.... we hijack her page with abandon. :)

[Electrocell]

Ami and I are pros at it just ask Gemme.... we hijack her page with abandon. :)

LOL never knew this thread exited may have to check it out.

[Corkey]

LOL never knew this thread exited may have to check it out.

LOL it's her page LOL See how easy that was.....:cigar2:

[Electrocell]

LOL it's her page LOL See how easy that was.....:cigar2:

:boink::thinking::dimbulb::doh::blush:

[stephfromMIT]

Everybody keeps talking about how much weight she can lift. I'm clueless about that. Anybody want to share it and was it a dead lift, a bench press, clean and jerk or what?

I'm also clueless about her lying or not.........and who cares.....

Certainly instead of a new thread this could have been posted in the WTF/Zombie thread, but then we would not have all this drama about truth-telling. And she is a newbie and might not yet have the hang of all the threads.

My calithestics are:

425 Situps
295 Pushups
180 Chinups

[apretty]

I'm getting a Pap tomorrow, I hope I'm cleared to play, too.

[Prudence]

The title of this thread caught my eye.. I thought it may be a funny story about a doctors office.. It wasn't. And I needed to know this information .. because? Best wishes for a great season.

[ruffryder]

My calithestics are:

425 Situps
295 Pushups
180 Chinups

Isn't the word calisthenics?

And what are you doing with a Militia physical? Just wondering... What did you need one for? How did your dr measure your body fat?

Thanks!

[ruffryder]

The Women's Football Alliance team I play for.


NM found it! :)

[stephfromMIT]

ruff-THANK YOU for correcting my spelling! :D I never get that word right. You need physicals to prove you're healthy enough to play. She meausred my fat % by the "pinch" method.

[Glenn]

You ask us for alot of info here but you don't give much back. I studied your log in log off times since you've joined and most days you are here from around noon and log off at around 1 or 2 in the morning. How do you manage the time to stay here, do work-outs, spend time with your fiance, and work or go to school too? How long is your work-out schedule? Most days I see you are not here in the mornings from around 2- 11.

[Ginger]

ruff-THANK YOU for correcting my spelling! :D I never get that word right. You need physicals to prove you're healthy enough to play. She meausred my fat % by the "pinch" method.


She pinched you?

I think I had my body fat checked on a crowded subway a long time ago.

Seriously though, what is the pinch method?

She pinches with her hands?

A caliper (LOL)?

[aishah]

You ask us for alot of info here but you don't give much back. I studied your log in log off times since you've joined and most days you are here from around noon and log off at around 1 or 2 in the morning. how do you manage to stay here, do work-outs, spend time with your fiance, and work or go to school too? How long is your work-out schedule?

okay, to be fair, i spend a hell of a lot of time here and i have a life...so having a life doesn't necessarily preclude spending ridiculous amounts of time on the planet ;) (although i'm lucky in that i work from home most of the time.)

although i am curious how you are surviving with 3% body fat. just cannot wrap my brain around that.

[Corkey]

I personally have loads of time to spend here, I get in my workouts and I do all sorts of stuff while logged in. I don't see why stalking someone is proof of anything. If you do, why does it matter to you? Geezus it's starting to feel like an inquisition here.

[Hack]

Good lord.

I'm still trying to fathom why people care so much about this individual? Log on and log off times? Really? Wow. Just wow.

[Corkey]

Way to roll out the welcome wagon there....

[nycfem]

I think log in/log off times are not really fair because a lot of us minimize our screen and don't log off. I do that all the time.

As for the pinch method, that I'm curious about, just because!

[aishah]

http://www.livestrong.com/body-fat-pinch-test/

[Corkey]

I've had the pinch, it is a caliper like instrument that measures the amount of belly fat one has, or doesn't as the case may be, way back when I was on the swim team and doing track n basketball. All weather athlete in my day.

[DapperButch]

I think log in/log off times are not really fair because a lot of us minimize our screen and don't log off. I do that all the time.

As for the pinch method, that I'm curious about, just because!

I don't know how to see my own log in/off times. I didn't even know they existed. Hell, it was exciting when tantalizing opened my eyes to "today's posts"...and that thing where you can see where people are...I forget that one now.

And yes, I leave mine up all the time, but doesn't it switch to showing we are not on or something/not active?

[Corkey]

I don't know how to see my own log in/off times. I didn't even know they existed. Hell, it was exciting when tantalizing opened my eyes to "today's posts"...and that thing where you can see where people are...I forget that one now.

And yes, I leave mine up all the time, but doesn't it switch to showing we are not on or something/not active?

Only if you've turned off your computer n cleared your history, or if you've been inactive well over an hour or more, but I'm logged in all the time, n just clear history.

[nycfem]

I don't know how to see my own log in/off times. I didn't even know they existed. Hell, it was exciting when tantalizing opened my eyes to "today's posts"...and that thing where you can see where people are...I forget that one now.

And yes, I leave mine up all the time, but doesn't it switch to showing we are not on or something/not active?

Not sure, but I often have a screen up at home and just wander away for hours, doesn't mean I'm, for ex, spending hours on someone's profile :D

[Ginger]

Not sure, but I often have a screen up at home and just wander away for hours, doesn't mean I'm, for ex, spending hours on someone's profile :D


Stop pretending you don't spend hours staring at my profile.

[aishah]

*needs to pay for a subscription so i can hide and people can't figure out i've been staring at corkey, nycfembbw and islandscout's profiles*

shh.

[tazz]

Stella-Thanks for worrying. I keep up my nutrition, so I'm not worried (I probably should as I get older)

***stephfromMIT... you and i should talk... i'm also extremely fit, athletic, and have my nutrition on point.

i bike, i run, and weight lift...

[Kobi]

I'm getting a Pap tomorrow, I hope I'm cleared to play, too.


Considering the Militia season ended in July, your PAP might be a moot point. :)

[nycfem]

***stephfromMIT... you and i should talk... i'm also extremely fit, athletic, and have my nutrition on point.

i bike, i run, and weight lift...

BUT do you have 3% body fat? :D

[tazz]

My calithestics are:

425 Situps
295 Pushups
180 Chinups

***geeeeezus!! will you be my trainer?? and if i felt like stopping would you push me beyond??

SERIOUS. :sunglass:

[tazz]

BUT do you have 3% body fat? :D

***no i have in the range of 12%-14%, yet remain at 111 lbs.

i do have an athletic build, but just not cut/defined.

[EnderD_503]

Just for shiggles, I had my body fat measured. I have 3% body fat! I saw that, and thought,"Knew I was lean, didn't realize I was that lean!"

Uhhh...are you sure? The lowest pro body builders are able to get without serious health repercussions is 4-5% body fat...and that's during competition season when they're eating to maintain it. During the off season, not even body builders can maintain a fat percentage that low. The diet you'd need to maintain it would not be feasible over a long term period. Most high level athletes generally sit around 7-10% though it can depend on the sport...

Was it the doctor who actually performed the caliper test? Calipers are seen as one of the more accurate ways of measuring body fat, but if used by someone who isn't certified to use them you can definitely get just as inaccurate a reading as with a Tanita or other similar methods (which can be as high as 10% off).

[Corkey]

Genetics plays an important roll in our bodies. How many fat cells we carry n so on. Which is why we are all unique and should celebrate that, instead of grilling folks on their physique. SMH

[MissItalianDiva]

Wow...well for some reason that I can not manage to figure out I actually read all freakin 9 pages of this...(whatever it is) and I really want my 15 minutes of my life back.

Ok now for my unsolicited .02 cents. Who give two hoots! I am having a hard time grasping why this has turned stirred the crap over someone's apparent body fat.

Another issue I see here is let's just assume for a moment that she does indeed have 3% body fat. That is her choice and her body. I don't see how one can come and tell someone they are not within healthy body fat% Sure 3% is definitely low for women especially of child bearing age but in reality all that is going to do if she is the height and weight she claims then it will simply in most cases cease menustration or her ability to get pregnant. No big deal. I am sure if she is receiving physicals her actual Dr. would have discussed any possible risks or red flags.

Secondly I think it is rather absurd for anyone to tell her she has an unhealthy body% percentage. I think if we all posted ours here there would be a good portion that are high enough to be considered VERY unhealthy. Which of course I don't think very many of us think it is ok to single that person's % and to lecture them in a non supportive way.

Thirdly I definitely agree with others who have posted that it is indeed creepy to be monitoring someones log on and log off times. The ironic part of that is that the admitted while questioning the OP being able to have a life if logged in all the time. Umm...well if you have the time to monitor someone's log in and log off patterns then I think it might be time for a hobby.

Lastly, I personally agree with those that said wtf about why this thread was even started. Some saying it was a self focused thread to boast and for attention but there are plenty of threads like that. Some of them even titled as the persons personal space or so and so's corner....I just don't see the difference.

[aishah]

Sure 3% is definitely low for women especially of child bearing age but in reality all that is going to do if she is the height and weight she claims then it will simply in most cases cease menustration or her ability to get pregnant. No big deal.

it is a big deal, in the sense that below a certain percentage your body literally does not have enough fat to sustain life and it causes lifelong health repercussions. not just infertility. this goes beyond genetics or life choices. below a certain body fat percentage is actually extremely, immediately dangerous. i'm really hoping that the doctor got that number wrong.

obviously it's someone's individual choice to do that and i respect their choice. i guess i should keep that to myself now - i have a high body fat percentage (though not immediately life-threateningly high) at this point in my life and people do go all wacko on me about it sometimes and that sucks. but i do know a lot of people who don't realize the damage that overexercising or undereating or maintaining an extremely low body fat % can do to their bodies because it's not talked about as much, and i wish that i had known and had someone to support me, so i felt the need to speak up at least. i also really worry about that kind of standard being glorified here.

it's individual choice and i respect people's choice. i just worry. sorry about that.

(edited to add: and to put it in perspective, for women, below 11% is the point at which you usually lose your period and are at risk for infertility and osteoporosis. below 8% is the point at which your immune system is compromised and you start having issues with fatigue, being cold, memory problems, blackouts, etc. even men cannot maintain below 5% for long periods of time, as ender pointed out.)

[yotlyolqualli]

but i do know a lot of people who don't realize the damage that overexercising or undereating or maintaining an extremely low body fat % can do to their bodies because it's not talked about as much, and i wish that i had known and had someone to support me, so i felt the need to speak up at least. i also really worry about that kind of standard being glorified here.



With all due respect, this bugged me.

There's a thread here, I believe it's entitled "the fat positive lounge"

Now, there is nothing wrong with accepting and loving yourself, no matter WHAT size you are. However, could it not be said that that thread is glorifying a certain standard as well?

I believe that no matter what size you are, you should be treated with respect and not bombarded with how "unhealthy" you are.

Being overweight or obese is BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH!

Being underweight or anorexic is BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH!

One extreme, is just as unhealthy as the other.

Having said that, each person is responsible for their own health. They have the option of seeing a doctor, they also have the option of not seeing one. It is up to each individual and their health care provider, to decide what is healthy and what isn't healthy, not the general public.

Even then, if people here are physicians or health care providers (I know there are some here) until they actually see the patient (individual) even their "expert opinion" is just that, an opinion and doctor's are not always right.

Case in point. I had a gastric bypass in 2007. We were told, in no uncertain terms, that post surgery, and, for the most part, the rest of our lives, we would not be able to take any OTC pain relievers with blood thinners in them, OR prescribed medications with blood thinners in them.

When I came out of the anesthesia, morphine wasn't taking care of the pain (we know now that morphine just does not work with me) the recovery room doctor and RN tried to force a percoset (sp?) on me!

Later, after having had an stomach ulcer and a gastric hemhorage(?) my PCP STILL prescribed prescription strength naproxen for pain.

Anyway...

I don't think it's in any way fair to judge someone's looks or health by what size they are, no matter if they are big or small.

Just my two cents worth.

[aishah]

i'm really sorry that i posted any of that. genuinely and sincerely, because i really hate it when people say things like that to me. i can't go back and unpost it or delete it, but i wanted to apologize. i'm really, extremely freaked out by this but i should have kept that to myself and not put it on other people.

[Corkey]

I think that we all have an opinion, I'm not gonna slam someone because of it, I open my mouth at times too. We're human. I think that we all want Steph to be in a healthy place, and that's ok. Policing how she does it isn't our business.

I love it that the community cares enough to encourage her, without the judgement.

[Parker]

I think they did the pinch method to me in boot camp back in '92 - and I think they used an instrument and they did it on my upper arm. That was so long ago (my 20yr anniversary of boot camp was this past May), I cant believe I can even begin to remember it! Seemed weird then and it seems weird now, but what did/do I know, I aint no scientist! lol

My Wii Fit Plus and the VA go by my height and weight to determine my BMI now, but I think a lot of health clubs, personal trainers, sports organizations, etc still use the pinch method - I wonder if maybe it gives a more accurate measurement.

[Corkey]

I think they did the pinch method to me in boot camp back in '92 - and I think they used an instrument and they did it on my upper arm. That was so long ago (my 20yr anniversary of boot camp was this past May), I cant believe I can even begin to remember it! Seemed weird then and it seems weird now, but what did/do I know, I aint no scientist! lol

My Wii Fit Plus and the VA go by my height and weight to determine my BMI now, but I think a lot of health clubs, personal trainers, sports organizations, etc still use the pinch method - I wonder if maybe it gives a more accurate measurement.


Actually no the tank method gives a more accurate measurement. The pinch is generally used only in doctors offices because of the expense of the tank.

[apretty]

With all due respect, this bugged me.

There's a thread here, I believe it's entitled "the fat positive lounge"

Now, there is nothing wrong with accepting and loving yourself, no matter WHAT size you are. However, could it not be said that that thread is glorifying a certain standard as well?


No, actually. Fat positive space is a result of the social stigma of fat and not because anyone is glorifying an unattainable obese-standard that's spread across every form of media.

[QueenofSmirks]

although i am curious how you are surviving with 3% body fat. just cannot wrap my brain around that.


I realize we are talking about gender differences, but my father (who is a runner) has 3% body fat, and although he's very fit, he is by no means "skinny", just fit. He also isn't that tall (5'7" I think) so that probably factors into it.