Spoiling our Dogs and Puppies

[Linus]

Hey everyone,

For many of us, our dogs/puppies are our babies. As some of you know we have two pugs (Lily and Lafawnda). We do spoil them but it's all good. One of the things I've been trying to find is something that will keep them busy during the day. We have given them filled hooves in the past but that's more hit and miss as to success. Lily is finicky about the kind and filling; Fawnda, however, doesn't care.

We've given them rib bones before but they tend to crack and eat them. I'm hoping to find a bone type that will keep them busy (thinking soup bone perhaps?). So I was curious as to what things you give your little ones to keep them busy as well as help their teeth and chewing habits.

This also can be a thread for ideas on food types (we've become partial to Blue Buffalo) and other discussions.

[Talon]

I have a 160Lb. bulldog and he chews A LOT of bones. It costs me $100 a month just to keep him in bones. He really loves those huge mammoth bones (cow femur), as well as, the extra large knuckle bones. His teeth are pearly- white from all that chewing he does, and he also doesn't end up chewing on things that he shouldn't. These two types are the only ones that I've found, that he can't completely destroy within the hour...they actually last several days.

[Linus]

I have a 160Lb. bulldog and he chews A LOT of bones. It costs me $100 a month just to keep him in bones. He really loves those huge mammoth bones (cow femur), as well as, the extra large knuckle bones. His teeth are pearly- white from all that chewing he does, and he also doesn't end up chewing on things that he shouldn't. These two types are the only ones that I've found, that he can't completely destroy within the hour...they actually last several days.


Oh.. next doggie is gonna be a bully. :)

And good to know. I'll look into those knuckle bones (the femur bones might be a bit big)

[starryeyes]

There is a prescription dog food you can buy at a vet called "Prescription Diet t/d Canine Dental Health" that helps clean dogs teeth, if that is your concern. You can also buy it and use it as treats. They are big nuggets and your dog has to chew each one up and it scrapes the plaque off! My vet gives us a big bag full of it everytime we come in for free, so we have been using it at treats. I don't know if I would switch over to it full-time.... Justin and I are discussing it. My Aussie has gastrointestinal issues, so changing his dog food completely is a nightmare! But, if it saves a trip to the vet for a teeth cleaning, it might be with it. Hmmm.

[Linus]

There is a prescription dog food you can buy at a vet called "Prescription Diet t/d Canine Dental Health" that helps clean dogs teeth, if that is your concern. You can also buy it and use it as treats. They are big nuggets and your dog has to chew each one up and it scrapes the plaque off! My vet gives us a big bag full of it everytime we come in for free, so we have been using it at treats. I don't know if I would switch over to it full-time.... Justin and I are discussing it. My Aussie has gastrointestinal issues, so changing his dog food completely is a nightmare! But, if it saves a trip to the vet for a teeth cleaning, it might be with it. Hmmm.

Teeth cleaning isn't the main reason. It's more of a "keeping busy and chewing on something" kind of thing.

[Sachita]

I take care of dogs for a living. Most of my dogs are long term board from military families, special services and families in transition. We are able to offer a discount and many times it based on the circumstances.

I have my own dogs and most of the time I have 4-6. Always adopted and somehow they find me. My dogs are my children and I am Auntie Tam to all the rest. They equally get spoiled. I can't stand it when an animal is suffering at any capacity. This includes sad and lonely. I have dogs everywhere! My house and out buildings set up with dog doors, decks, special ramps, each area has hammocks, AC/heat and I'm great at matching them up into mini packs.

I am a huge advocate of food because I take care of so many dogs I see a lot. You can pretty much look at a dog and tell if that dog has been fed a good food. Most dog foods are harmful in my opinion. Most made with rendered meats from overseas, fillers and chemicals. I've seen serious illnesses healed just from changing a dogs diet. I personally like a grain free food and use Taste of The Wild here. I've seen great results in the overall health of a dog. But there are so instances where I feel some grain is good for a certain age or breed. Some dogs just need those extra carbs. I don't give my dogs or any dogs treats with artificial ingredients. They get plain biscuit or treats I make myself from sweet potatoes, jerky, etc. I give dogs carrots, bananas, romaine lettuce (which they love and it's excellent for them) kale chips, peanut butter crackers or I even make little whole wheat toasted peanut butter sammie's with honey and banana. I have a rule of thumb- if it will harm me to eat it then my dog isn't eating it. This isn't to say I'd eat the kibble I feed them but if I wanted to I could without it harming me. So many dog foods and treats clearly say NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. Do you really want to feed this to your beloved pet?

We don't normally take puppies under 6 months because of how we are set up, however I am potty training a little pit mix now. The girl adopted her from SPCA only to find out that her lease states no dogs under 6 months. rather then her returning the dog, which she didn;t want, I agreed to take her for a few months and help potty train. I had forgotten how much work puppies are. I won;t do it again unless I HAVE to. lol But I'm impressed that the girls committed to pay for boarding and is seeking a dog friendly house. I think people like this are angels because too many people discard dogs and pets because their life plans change.

Getting rid of my dogs is not an option for me. I'd literally live in a tent then not be able to give them the life I promised them.

[stepfordfemme]

Kongs are a lifesaver and keep the dogs mind active.

Please all who read this thread be very careful about the type of bones you feed your dogs!!!! I prefer ones that are baked and I think as previously mentioned from the leg or massive knuckle bones.

Certain types of rawhide are also indigestible to dogs!

I highly recommend finding a specialty pet store (not a chain) for natural pet treats. My local store is amazing and they care about what your animals are eating. So I try and support their efforts. Their shirts say "my dogs eat better than I do" which is funny and somewhat true.

My dogs have a lot of special treats like tendons/ bullies (these are yucky but healthier than rawhide), and certain bones.

Love this thread!

[Sachita]

OHHHHH chewing is sometimes a HUGE problem here!

I would not feed a dog Science Diet. btw

Old cotton socks are great. You can take long tube socks and tie a knot. You can even stuff something in it like a banana or peanut butter. They will chew on it for hours. We also use pressed rawhide bones. The pressed last longer. If you can get real bones these are great just be care they are hard and raw bones are best. But honestly the best for a chewy crazy dog is a squeaky ball inside of a tube sock with peanut butter on it or I buy Wild Alaskan salmon oil and squirt it on.

This is a helpful site for dog food.

http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/

[Happy_Go_Lucky]

Shepard girl shreds, yes shreds rope toys purchased for her from pet stores. Kong brand? shreds. Finally after hundreds of dollars lost in "shreds" I bought some boat rope from a hardware store, 3/8", made a braid and burned the edges. Voila! a ropey even SHE can no longer destroy.

I also recommend raw knee bones from your local butcher shop for your larger fur friends.

[sharkchomp]

I have two uncooked femur bones for my dogs. They were cheap and the cool thing is they have real marrow (or whatever it is?) inside of it and my dogs will try to get that marrow out for hours. I am watchful that they don't try to take them outside with them to bury them though!!!

For years I bought purina lamb and rice and my dogs were happy and healthy on it. Unfortunately I can't afford that right now so I buy regular purina. Anything cheaper and my older dog - 13 - can't handle it and has bad bathroom problems. I also noticed my dogs poops were much smaller (probably more digestible) on the lamb and rice.

They're probably not good for my dogs but they are ga-ga crazy about beggin strips!!!!! Like, omg, just like the commercial CRAZY for them!!!!!! They also love love love pigs ears!!!!!!! Scooby will eat anything, lettuce, cucumbers, etc. Vegas is not a vegetarian!!!! And neither dog likes carrots at all. Scooby just lets them fall out of his mouth. Vegas will spit them at me with distain and flip me the paw.

~~~shark~~~~~~~~

[Linus]

I have two uncooked femur bones for my dogs. They were cheap and the cool thing is they have real marrow (or whatever it is?) inside of it and my dogs will try to get that marrow out for hours. I am watchful that they don't try to take them outside with them to bury them though!!!

For years I bought purina lamb and rice and my dogs were happy and healthy on it. Unfortunately I can't afford that right now so I buy regular purina. Anything cheaper and my older dog - 13 - can't handle it and has bad bathroom problems. I also noticed my dogs poops were much smaller (probably more digestible) on the lamb and rice.

They're probably not good for my dogs but they are ga-ga crazy about beggin strips!!!!! Like, omg, just like the commercial CRAZY for them!!!!!! They also love love love pigs ears!!!!!!! Scooby will eat anything, lettuce, cucumbers, etc. Vegas is not a vegetarian!!!! And neither dog likes carrots at all. Scooby just lets them fall out of his mouth. Vegas will spit them at me with distain and flip me the paw.

~~~shark~~~~~~~~

LOL.. they do have personalities, eh? Ours love little carrots. They go apeshit over them when ever we bring him a bag of those tiny carrots. They will try every trick we've taught them (Fawnda in particular) to get one. What I mean is if I have a carrot or two in my hand Fawnda will sit, shake paw, spin, lie down, roll over and play dead (especially the hammy dead of all four paws stuck up awkwardly in the air) to convince me that they should have the carrot(s).

[Parker]

When I got my latest FMD puppy, Sally, she needed things to chew on because whether I was home or not, that girl was going to find SOMETHING to chew on!

The pet store I go to keeps recommending rib bones, but like you said, they splinter and I dont feel great giving them to my dogs, even though in the wild, that is what their cousins would eat - I like to give them things that they can gnaw on without splintering and without being made of rawhide.

So originally, I got her beef tendons, but they were too expensive to do everyday (like $3 ea) so I switched to rolled up pig skins. I could get 25 of those for $11 - or if I wanted to spend a little more, I could get the ones with peanut butter rolled up in them.

The rolled up pig skins dont keep her occupied all day - maybe an hour and my Boxer/Pit chews one up in like 10 minutes! So if I had to keep her occupied for hours, I would probably go back to the beef tendons, but the really large size, which is more than $3 at my local pet store, but they would keep her chewing longer. :winky:

I also feel you on the hooves - those are hit or miss here as well. I have had better luck with antlers than I have with hooves - maybe because of the shape? Not sure, but my Boxer/Pit will lay on the floor gnawing on an antler for hours and hours. Again, they arent cheap, but they do better for me and my pack than hooves. :)

[RockOn]

Extreme Kong for power chewers ... Here is a link with a decent sale:

http://www.petmountain.com/product/heavy-duty-dog-chews/11442-105307/extreme-kong-dog-toy-ideal-for-power-chewers.html

Make sure you get the black Kong. My mixed bullies can tear up a red one quickly.

Like others, my two have gone through hundreds of dollars in other chewies but they are not able to wreck the xxl black kong.

Happy New Year to you and yours.
:)

[DapperButch]

Sachita -

I am with you on the healthy food.

I only feed my dog Newman Organics, the regular adult dry formula.

http://www.newmansownorganics.com/pet/home/

I did MEGA research before I settled on this brand. It is on the costly side, but I can afford it because I have one small dog. If I had more than 2, I am sure I could not keep them in this food.

My dog used to scratch a lot (allergies), and his scratching pretty much went away after I started feeding him this brand. Oatmeal baths take care of the rest.

For treats my dog gets veggies, fruits, or natural, non preservative treats. Those baby carrots that come in the bag are great. I really see no need to get all those "chews" with all those preservatives in them.

In terms of bones, the contradictory information out there makes me hesitate to give him anything, so he doesn't get them often. Right now, however, I have been giving him Elk Antlers, as they are not too hard (Linus, my vet said the one thing to never give a dog is soup bones because it can break their teeth).

I haven't purchased from this company, but just wanted to toss up a link so people know what I am talking about:

http://www.bestbullysticks.com/home/bbs/smartlist_168/elk_antlers.html


I think I am going to order him some (don't know which site yet...need to research it), as I have been just buying them in the pet store and I see they are much cheaper online.

In terms of chewing bones in order to keep your dog's teeth clean, you always have the option to just brush them.

Good topic, Linus.

[Okiebug61]

We can't give our doxies any squeaky toys, they go nuts. I buy them the dollar stuffed toys and they love them.

Our aussie loves ropes, sticks, balls just about anything she can carry in her mouth. I got her a huge rawhide bone for christmas and she drags it everywhere.

[ButchEire]

We have a 13 year old pug and a younger (maybe 7?) jackahuahua and they get what I call a "modified" raw diet. A true raw diet is prohibitive at this time, mainly due to the time needed for preparation. Instead, the dogs get Nature's Instinct grain-free kibble with raw pieces. Pugs are notoriously allergic dogs and pug Winston's allergy is to grains, so he can't have any. On top of the kibble, they also get cooked chicken breast and a frozen vegetable (broccoli, peas, cauliflower, etc.). For chewing, they get the very occasional raw meaty bone from the butcher. Raw bones don't splinter, only cooked ones do and pugs also cannot have rawhide because their digestive systems don't handle it well. Winston's treats typically consist of raw baby tomatoes and he rarely gets any biscuits. The dogs also get digestive enzymes, flaxseed oil and Winston gets milk thistle and a holistic remedy for Cushing's disease. Spoiled? Sure, but my belief is that it saves on vet bills and it seems to work. At 13, Winston still runs around the yard!

[Parker]

In terms of bones, the contradictory information out there makes me hesitate to give him anything, so he doesn't get them often. Right now, however, I have been giving him Elk Antlers, as they are not too hard (Linus, my vet said the one thing to never give a dog is soup bones because it can break their teeth).

I haven't purchased from this company, but just wanted to toss up a link so people know what I am talking about:

http://www.bestbullysticks.com/home/bbs/smartlist_168/elk_antlers.html

Yes - these are exactly what I was talking about - my local pet store carries them so I cant give advice on an online supplier as I havent tried any - but they keep my Boxer/Pit occupied for hours at a time without splintering apart like bones.

Both my FMDs, who are smaller dogs (20-35 lbs) like them as well, but not as much as something softer, like a chew - but even if my big boy stops gnawing on one for a while, he will come back to it again and again and it will take him a few days to gnaw down to a little nub - which is when I toss it and get another.

[girl_dee]

Spoil the pups? i never do this so have no input.

Ahem :angel:

[Bleu]

My Mini Tonka, all 3.8 lbs. of her is under a blanket all winter. She has two beds and a special blanket that tucks into my covers so there is no question she remains toasty.

She gets a quarter of a large multi vitamin everyday and my mom, her Grammy, squirts a half teaspoon of salmon oil on her food.

Buddy the German Shepherd gets a full size multi and about two tablespoons of the salmon oil and he is just so spoiled too. In fact, my mom keeps a sheet on the other side of her bed so that when he comes in to greet her and snuggle he can get on it. Oh he's topped out at an even 100 lbs.

Everything is washed weekly and oh my gosh yes, they are our babies and are as spoiled as we are.

*sigh* J'adore my dogs! They are the most loyal and devoted of friends.

[DapperButch]

Yes - these are exactly what I was talking about - my local pet store carries them so I cant give advice on an online supplier as I havent tried any - but they keep my Boxer/Pit occupied for hours at a time without splintering apart like bones.

Both my FMDs, who are smaller dogs (20-35 lbs) like them as well, but not as much as something softer, like a chew - but even if my big boy stops gnawing on one for a while, he will come back to it again and again and it will take him a few days to gnaw down to a little nub - which is when I toss it and get another.


Yes, I noticed after I wrote that you mentioned the Elk Antlers, as well. It is nice to get a bit of time out of a bone!

[ahk]

Great thread.

We have 3 pups (Zoey (Pup mix,13), Baxter Bailey (Pekingnese mix (13), and Henry (Terrier/Poodle mix, 2). My older dogs don't really like to chew on anything, they aren't into toys much either. Zoey has a lot of issues with food, she likes to eat -- so instead of giving her lots of "cookies" she gets raw veggies (her favourite are sweet potatoes, carrots, brocolli, and green beans).

We feed our pups http://nutrisca.dogswell.com/ (http://nutrisca.dogswell.com/), its a grain free, potato free, corn free diet. They love the lamb and/or salmon the best. When I fed them other brands, they tended to fart a lot or poop a lot or gain lots of extra weight. Also skin problems was a huge thing for BB. So far this food has been the best--

As far as treats -- raw veggies, treats that I make for them (veggies, chicken, fish, almond butter) stuff like that. Sometimes they'll get a these cranberry (http://www.platopettreats.com/products-grain-free-EOS.php)treats or salmon.

As far as extra nutrients they get -- Cranimals (http://cranimal.com/berry.html) and probiotics.

Our cat-- she's the same way-- but minus the treats. She eats B.G (http://www.merrickpetcare.com/consumer/products/product.jsp?id=98&page=1&view=list&sort=category_3&order=asc&name=Salmon_&categories=Cat-Before-Grain-Dry&age=All_Life_Stages).

[Hollylane]

I always gave my big boy, Count Basie, raw soup bones, or knuckle bones. Since he spent a lot of time indoors, it was necessary for him to have a "chew rug", so that it wasn't a bloody mess (figuratively and literally). These bones lasted him at least 3 days.

My boys now, spoiled, yes indeed. However, giving them treats has become mostly a thing of the past (other than baked canned prescription food). Without the right diet, Obi ends up having surgery. He develops oxalate crystals that gather in his bladder, and then travel up to block his urethra. Once they have developed, they are only resolved by surgical removal.

Alas, the days of making the raw diet (which they adore), have ended. There is research out there that shows that a low oxalate raw diet will prevent, and even dissolve (something vets say is not possible) the crystals, but the diet is difficult to achieve, and it reads like a science formula. So, both boys (Lhasas) are now on the low oxalate prescription diet.

[SleepyButch]

My two kids are definitely spoiled. I prefer it that way and so do they... lol.

I usually have many beds and blankets all over the place. One of them is a whippet and the other is a whippet mix so they have short hair and get cold easily in the winter time. They really like the cozy cave. I don't know if anyone has a pup that likes to burrow under the covers but if you do, this bed is the best for that. They also have pajamas that they wear to keep them warm.

As far as food goes, I am currently feeding Natural Balance LID chicken/sweet potato but I'm thinking of changing.

These are not my dogs but you get the picture... literally.

Cozy cave:

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/9hCCnZQBsUI/mqdefault.jpg

Pajamas:

http://www.akcreations.co.uk/pictures/gallery%20photos/JuliaandBobbie2.jpg

[girl_dee]

The chihuaha is very pissed off

1) it's winter

2) great dane puppy

[DapperButch]

As far as extra nutrients they get -- Cranimals (http://cranimal.com/berry.html) and probiotics.



Excellent! I was looking for something along the anti-oxidant line for my dog. I ordered the Verry Berry from another web site. Thank you!

[sharkchomp]

LOL.. they do have personalities, eh? Ours love little carrots. They go apeshit over them when ever we bring him a bag of those tiny carrots. They will try every trick we've taught them (Fawnda in particular) to get one. What I mean is if I have a carrot or two in my hand Fawnda will sit, shake paw, spin, lie down, roll over and play dead (especially the hammy dead of all four paws stuck up awkwardly in the air) to convince me that they should have the carrot(s).

That sounds really cute! They really are expressive!!!! I think my dogs think carrots are tricks. Scooby doesn't get mad at me though. He's just like, "what else you got?" But Vegas gives me a "eat poop and die" look better than any person I've ever seen!!! LOL

~~~shark~~~~~~~

[DapperButch]

I worry when people give their dogs raw diets or just homemade diets. I understand that it is very complicated and complex to meet all of a dog's nutritional needs on your own.

I am sure some people do it well, but I have been reading more and more about concerns people not doing it well. In those cases, it would be better if the dog was on manufactured food.

I would like to hear thoughts from any raw diet/homemade food people here?

[SleepyButch]

I dog sat for a couple of dogs who were strictly on raw food. The owner got it from a local place that did all of the grinding and putting together or whatever the heck they do. Let me tell you... it was disgusting to see a chicken neck hanging out of the dog's mouth.. .not only that but the tripe had a really bad smell to it.. lol

I couldn't do it.

[ButchEire]

As I said previously, I choose not to feed raw from scratch because it is time consuming. Dogs however, have less complex digestive systems and our own human-esque dog foods typically contain ingredients that dogs don't need or can't digest. I have researched canine diets for years, because I have a pug and they are notorious for health issues, most commonly, food allergies. I have had and continue to have support from individuals who breed and own pugs and who also feed their pugs raw and have done so for years with no problems. Of course, any dietary change would cause concern for nutritional composition but I have more concern for the unnecessary additives in commercial dog foods than I ever would in feeding raw/grain free/high quality/etc.. There are a lot of myths associated with raw diets for dogs and this website (http://www.rawfed.com/myths/kibble.html) may help improve understanding of this approach.

I worry when people give their dogs raw diets or just homemade diets. I understand that it is very complicated and complex to meet all of a dog's nutritional needs on your own.

I am sure some people do it well, but I have been reading more and more about concerns people not doing it well. In those cases, it would be better if the dog was on manufactured food.

I would like to hear thoughts from any raw diet/homemade food people here?

[DapperButch]

I dog sat for a couple of dogs who were strictly on raw food. The owner got it from a local place that did all of the grinding and putting together or whatever the heck they do. Let me tell you... it was disgusting to see a chicken neck hanging out of the dog's mouth.. .not only that but the tripe had a really bad smell to it.. lol

I couldn't do it.

I just think about the nutrients, vitamins, minerals, blah blah that can be missed. I dunno, maybe if you throw in a multi vitamin you are all good!

[DapperButch]

As I said previously, I choose not to feed raw from scratch because it is time consuming. Dogs however, have less complex digestive systems and our own human-esque dog foods typically contain ingredients that dogs don't need or can't digest. I have researched canine diets for years, because I have a pug and they are notorious for health issues, most commonly, food allergies. I have had and continue to have support from individuals who breed and own pugs and who also feed their pugs raw and have done so for years with no problems. Of course, any dietary change would cause concern for nutritional composition but I have more concern for the unnecessary additives in commercial dog foods than I ever would in feeding raw/grain free/high quality/etc.. There are a lot of myths associated with raw diets for dogs and this website (http://www.rawfed.com/myths/kibble.html) may help improve understanding of this approach.

Great! This is why I asked. I don't want to make assumptions. Thanks for the response.

ETA: ButchEire, Do you think that there are a number of raw food diet makers who do not do this well? That are missing things?

[ButchEire]

One myth associated with raw dog food diets is that they rely solely on meat and meat products. This is not the case and raw fed dogs are also typically fed vegetables, fish, eggs, yogurt and raw bones which all supply nutrients not found in meats. It's about variety, even in a raw diet.

I just think about the nutrients, vitamins, minerals, blah blah that can be missed. I dunno, maybe if you throw in a multi vitamin you are all good!

[ButchEire]

From my experience, I think that commercial raw dog food probably has less nutritional value than home made, because it isn't served immediately. Nutritional degradation occurs in any food left for any period of time prior to consumption. Missing nutrients? I'd say that would be a risk if you are feeding the same food from the same manufacturer every day, raw or otherwise. Personally, I rotate vegetables and the kind of high-grade kibble I feed, to increase nutrient variety. It's not a perfect science. Heck, even we as humans occasionally have a tendency to eat the same things daily.

Great! This is why I asked. I don't want to make assumptions. Thanks for the response.

ETA: ButchEire, Do you think that there are a number of raw food diet makers who do not do this well? That are missing things?

[christie]

Felix, our "only-child" Airedale, is the epitome of spoiled. He's just turned 21 months old and weighs in around 95-100lbs. He is certainly a "typical" Airedale, chock full o'personality. He is incredibly intelligent, very food motivated (which helps with training - he can have "selective" hearing) and I have managed to fall so very in love with our silly boy, in a short amount of time.

He came to us at the end of April through the NW Airedale Rescue, and his diet left a lot to be desired - not because I am knocking the cheaper pet foods, but because he had some gastro issues that made curbing him rather gross. We do feed him a grain-free food (Nature's Domain Turkey Sweet Potato - Costco) and his treats are knuckle bones, twisted pork skins and Blue Dog Bakery cookies. M.A. also bakes dog cookies, but when we catch them on sale, the Blue Dogs are just as good.

We've tried the hooves and he loses interest. Kongs? Pulleeezzeeee - he puts the "power" in power-chewer. We have a couple of bones that we fill with peanut butter and toss in the freezer - he has to work longer to get it all out.

He loves raw veggies - I learned quickly that he adores cucumbers, carrots and sweet potatoes. I had the makings for a cucumber salad on the butcher block, left the room and came back to his having eaten three whole cucumbers!

Having come through rescue, you're never sure what kind of issues you may come across - we're so lucky that he has such a sweet disposition and is very social. He has a fan club at the dog park and a "girl friend" Lucy, at the dog-sitter. He comes to my office a couple of times a week and everyone just loves to see him come bounding in the door.

Its really fun to watch his personality develop - he has recently started being more vocal - not barking, but more grumbling and warbling. He just keeps me laughing.

He must know I am typing about him - he has just brought his "baby" and nosed it into my lap... that's my cue for play time!


:dog:

[ArtistLady]

He came to us at the end of April through the NW Airedale Rescue, and his diet left a lot to be desired - not because I am knocking the cheaper pet foods, but because he had some gastro issues that made curbing him rather gross. We do feed him a grain-free food (Nature's Domain Turkey Sweet Potato - Costco) and his treats are knuckle bones, twisted pork skins and Blue Dog Bakery cookies. M.A. also bakes dog cookies, but when we catch them on sale, the Blue Dogs are just as good.
:dog:

Rescue dogs are the best! I volunteer for two different shelters and I have not found rescues to be any more prone to any issues (behavioral or physical) than dogs from breeders. Actually quite the opposite. I have learned from working with rescues that most breeders are not to be trusted unfortunately and the dogs suffer as a result. I am not saying all, just most. Plus, dogs are intelligent and seem to know they have been rescued and are appreciative!

I just received a Costco membership for Christmas. How is that food working out for your dog? I have been buying Blue Dog food but it is costly. I have small dogs (Jack Russell Terrier and Chihuahua) is it in big pieces? I also buy Blue Dog Bakery cookies! I make homemade cookies for them but they go through them really fast so I keep the Blue Dog cookies as backup.

[ArtistLady]

Also, is anyone familiar with the website?
http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/

[Bard]

we have two both are rescues Phoebe our Whippet- Jack Russel and Gracie a Sheppard - Terrier mix Phoebe cane destroy a toy in seconds flat they both love the snow and bound all over even Grace even with having only 3 good legs gets around very well and can almost catch Phoebe .. almost or Phoebe is letting her. Phoebe is very nervous around people and Grace is the protector they both love to cuddle and even know when I get ready for work that they go to their beds I made Phoebes bed for her when we got her.. spoiled or babies never

[Jesse]

My Sadie is a Lab mix and a rescue from a high kill shelter.

I feed her Taste of the Wild. I also buy 1lb. rolls of lean ground turkey and mix it with chopped garlic, raw oats, Parmesan cheese and whatever raw veggies I have available at the time and mix it all up and make three logs, and bake at 325 for about 45 min. Two go into the freezer after cooling and one is refrigerated for use. About 3 nights a week, I'll give her a third of the log in her food dish with her dry food, which I've cut back a bit for that night. She loves it! For treats she mostly gets dehydrated liver that has various veggies added. The bag she is on now has sweet potato and broccoli added to it. I've had to teach her to eat veggies, but now she loves getting the odd bite of raw veggie when I am cooking. She gets shed deer or elk antlers for gnawing, they keep her busy and keep her teeth clean, they also do not splinter easily.

[christie]

Rescue dogs are the best! I volunteer for two different shelters and I have not found rescues to be any more prone to any issues (behavioral or physical) than dogs from breeders. Actually quite the opposite. I have learned from working with rescues that most breeders are not to be trusted unfortunately and the dogs suffer as a result. I am not saying all, just most. Plus, dogs are intelligent and seem to know they have been rescued and are appreciative!

I just received a Costco membership for Christmas. How is that food working out for your dog? I have been buying Blue Dog food but it is costly. I have small dogs (Jack Russell Terrier and Chihuahua) is it in big pieces? I also buy Blue Dog Bakery cookies! I make homemade cookies for them but they go through them really fast so I keep the Blue Dog cookies as backup.


Felix is just one of many rescues I've had over the years and that he ONLY didn't have any training and was (is) still very puppylike in a lot of aspects was fortunate, in my experience. Maybe my previous rescues were just more challenging due to the extremes they had experienced! Its good to hear that the majority are rather resilient and have happy outcomes.

We're really pleased with the Nature's Domain. In comparison to one of the other spendy name-brand dog foods, the ingredients and nutrition levels were exactly the same (I can't remember the one we compared to - it might have been Taste of the Wild, but I am not certain). For the price, I'm all about it.

The other things you might find at Costco are the rolled pork skins and the bully sticks. They've been out of both for a while, but like with a lot of things, its kinda hit and miss. We need the jumbo dog beds, and for $20, they hold up REALLY well.

[Sachita]

We have a 13 year old pug and a younger (maybe 7?) jackahuahua and they get what I call a "modified" raw diet. A true raw diet is prohibitive at this time, mainly due to the time needed for preparation. Instead, the dogs get Nature's Instinct grain-free kibble with raw pieces. Pugs are notoriously allergic dogs and pug Winston's allergy is to grains, so he can't have any. On top of the kibble, they also get cooked chicken breast and a frozen vegetable (broccoli, peas, cauliflower, etc.). For chewing, they get the very occasional raw meaty bone from the butcher. Raw bones don't splinter, only cooked ones do and pugs also cannot have rawhide because their digestive systems don't handle it well. Winston's treats typically consist of raw baby tomatoes and he rarely gets any biscuits. The dogs also get digestive enzymes, flaxseed oil and Winston gets milk thistle and a holistic remedy for Cushing's disease. Spoiled? Sure, but my belief is that it saves on vet bills and it seems to work. At 13, Winston still runs around the yard!

Natures Instinct makes the raw organic frozen patties and its excellent. If you have a small dog this food will extend their life. I buy it and add to kibble and feed dogs that have allergies and skin issues. I wish I could afford to feed it to all the dogs.

I do grow quite a bit of organic produce and I also juice greens. I mix the pulp into my dogs food and give it to my chickens. Chopping up and giving your dogs raw organic greens and certain veggies is very healthy for them.

[girl_dee]

Right now i am still in bed, having coffee and waking up. Why you ask? Because the chihuaha is still enjoying sleeping under the electric blanket and i don't want to disturb her.

Can we say spoilt?

[Sachita]

Also, is anyone familiar with the website?
http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/

yes and its scary.

Pet food companies are now realizing the popularity of non-grain foods or having a meat source as the first ingredient. Because of this they are scrambling to find cheap meat sources. This means that much of it is coming from over seas- china mostly and it is not fit for human consumption. There is also no control over it what so ever. They can even label it chicken but after its dried who knows whats really in it.

For this reason I call the pet food companies every few months to check where they are getting the meat used in their products. I ask questions about ingredients too. This is a crazy process for me but its also important since it can effect the life of my dogs. Even if it didn't kill them their organs and such are still effected by poisoned food. Over time it does have an effect. Most commercial dog foods are harmful to your dog.

There are other brands I love but more expensive. Taste of the Wild is a good food and within most budget. If you feed your dog food with cornmeal and fillers, even rice, your dog will need to eat more. So if your dog is eating 4 cups per day they WILL eat and need less of a non grain quality food. If you do the math you'll see its not really that much more. If you consider the long term effects and what you'll save on vet bills then you'll find room in your budget.

Taste of the Wild - 30 pounds- $1.60 per day for a medium size dog @ 2 cups per day.

Orijen (what I'll be switch to soon) 29 pounds- $2.30 per day for a medium size dog @ 2 cups. There is one less pound.

Now add greens- a tub of organic spinach or spring greens at Sam's Club under 4.00 or a large package or organic romaine also under 4.00. large bag of organic carrots 5 lbs 5.00. Shred carrots of give whole if they will eat them.

So when I start breaking it down like that and what it cost daily for me to feed my dogs which are like my kids, 2.30 a day per dog is doable. If I have to give up a bottle of wine, dinner out, whatever I need to do I will because its that important to me. But understand that I also know that it's not affordable even still for some. I am happy to private work with you to figure out the best solution for your budget.

I'm sorry if I sound fanatically but this is a hot issue for me. Perhaps because I take care of so many dogs and work with so many groups. Pet health is a very huge agenda for me. So much so that I am planning on raising my own livestock and growing to feed my dogs. Food cost are rising and this is effecting pet foods. Even more reason to be concerned about what is really in your pet's food.

[Sachita]

The chihuaha is very pissed off

1) it's winter

2) great dane puppy

that new puppy is GORGEOUS! We have a puppy here now that is making everyone crazy. thats what puppies do!

[Jesse]

I'm a bit quirky about my dog(s) and their health too and one thing I do is to always clip the production code which is located by the scan bar usually. This way if they do a recall, you will know if your bag is a part of that recall. This way you'll know to watch your dog for changes and/or have them vetted. I just keep it clipped to the front of the fridge and change it out with each new bag. I also keep a watch for the recalls.

[Sachita]

I worry when people give their dogs raw diets or just homemade diets. I understand that it is very complicated and complex to meet all of a dog's nutritional needs on your own.

I am sure some people do it well, but I have been reading more and more about concerns people not doing it well. In those cases, it would be better if the dog was on manufactured food.

I would like to hear thoughts from any raw diet/homemade food people here?

My biggest concern with raw diets is that most of the commercial human meat out there is full of hormones and who knows what. If not properly stored you can get all types of bacteria. Organic or grass fed is so very expensive. If you have a small dog then it would be an option.

I don't feel 100% raw is good. Dogs are omnivorous like humans. So if you're making dog food, which I think is great, you just have to make sure they are also getting some fruits and veggies for essential vitamins.

[Metro]

There are a few things I am a stickler about regarding my dogs in order that they remain happy and friendly:

1. Refrain from using dog's name when using corrections (so they do not associate their name with negative feedback). Example: I say "Drop it!" instead of "Drop it, _______!"

2. Refrain from any random teasing whatsoever -- I don't like to make my dogs nervous or manic without reason. Example: I never hype up my dogs with words or physical contact just to get them excited. This doesn't mean I won't engage in playtime... I will squeek their toys or toss their tennis ball to see if they are interested in play, and will always respond positively to their invitation to play if they present me with a toy. My dogs tease and seem to have a sense of humor too, imho, but during playtime is the appropriate time.

3. Refrain from encouraging barking. They bark or "huff" to alert me... that's their "job" -- but are not permitted to bark on and on or when greeting visitors.

Over the years these behavioral "rules" have worked well for me in that all 3 dogs brought into my home have been sweet, friendly, and calm companions -- even though they are a breed some mistakenly assume are hard to control. I feel that dog behavior can often be influenced greatly by how well (or not) they are treated by their human companion(s) in everyday life. They need to feel secure and have consistent and fair rules.

I love my dog and like to believe she loves me too!

:)

[Blade]

I think in my next life I want to be one of yalls dog. I can't believe all we've seen so far is dog spoilage LOL. Does anyone spoil anything else?

[Novelafemme]

I have three pups and feed them a mixture of dry and wet food that I make myself. When it was just Olive (Aussie mix) I let her free-feed. She always did great and never had any issues with her weight.

Then along came Ellie (Shih Tzu) and Rue (Schnoodle) and Olive became food aggressive (and fat).

When I prepare their food I use organic meat from Trader Joe's, organic veggies (carrots, greens, beets) and free-range chicken or beef broth minus the sodium. I also buy them free-range beef bones from the local farmer's market. So far their teeth look great with all that chewing!

It may seem excessive to some, but to me our pets are members of our family...not just animals.

[Talon]

I think in my next life I want to be one of yalls dog. I can't believe all we've seen so far is dog spoilage LOL. Does anyone spoil anything else?



Nah...human's suck.

*kidding*

I'm a general variety spoiler....therefore, I generally enjoy spoiling whomever I love.

[Novelafemme]

There are a few things I am a stickler about regarding my dogs in order that they remain happy and friendly:

1. Refrain from using dog's name when using corrections (so they do not associate their name with negative feedback). Example: I say "Drop it!" instead of "Drop it, _______!"

2. Refrain from any random teasing whatsoever -- I don't like to make my dogs nervous or manic without reason. Example: I never hype up my dogs with words or physical contact just to get them excited. This doesn't mean I won't engage in playtime... I will squeek their toys or toss their tennis ball to see if they are interested in play, and will always respond positively to their invitation to play if they present me with a toy. My dogs tease and seem to have a sense of humor too, imho, but during playtime is the appropriate time.

3. Refrain from encouraging barking. They bark or "huff" to alert me... that's their "job" -- but are not permitted to bark on and on or when greeting visitors.

Over the years these behavioral "rules" have worked well for me in that all 3 dogs brought into my home have been sweet, friendly, and calm companions -- even though they are a breed some mistakenly assume are hard to control. I feel that dog behavior can often be influenced greatly by how well (or not) they are treated by their human companion(s) in everyday life. They need to feel secure and have consistent and fair rules.

I love my dog and like to believe she loves me too!

:)

I need to pick your brain about potty training since you live with a pack as well.

[Sachita]

I think in my next life I want to be one of yalls dog. I can't believe all we've seen so far is dog spoilage LOL. Does anyone spoil anything else?

My granddaughter.

[Sachita]

There is also a brand called The Honest Kitchen. It's dehydrated and has fresh free range meats, veggies, fruits and everything is human grade AND made in a human grade inspected kitchen. 10 pounds turns into 40 pounds at around 70 something which is very affordable if you're making dog food. 40 pounds will feed my boxer and two small dogs

[Metro]

I need to pick your brain about potty training since you live with a pack as well.

Hi Novela,

I have only lived w/ 2 dogs, at most, fulltime -- now only one. I do not like to be dogless so my technique is to get next pup when first dog is 10 y/o. This way the older one knows the rules while I train the pup -- and they have a couple years to play together full-on before one gets elderly. This has helped me maintain sanity when bringing a pup into the pack.

Feel free to PM if you wish.

[Metro]

There is also a brand called The Honest Kitchen. It's dehydrated and has fresh free range meats, veggies, fruits and everything is human grade AND made in a human grade inspected kitchen. 10 pounds turns into 40 pounds at around 70 something which is very affordable if you're making dog food. 40 pounds will feed my boxer and two small dogs

Sachita, that sounds very interesting!

Has anyone else had to be concerned w/ balance of protein and fat in dog food? My dogs are prone to kidney stones so research has suggested keeping closest match of protein to fat to avoid such... it has worked for me. My large breed dogs have lived to 15-3/4 and 14-1/2 years of active life without getting kidney stones so common to their breed.

Altho the premium brands promote high protein, sometimes that isn't actually best thing for some dogs due to age or breed specific metabolism.

I use ProPlan Selects Natural Salmon since I don't know how to create similar protein/fat balance in homemade dog food. I would "spoil" my dogs with homemade if I knew how to do so and it was healthier for them... and if I could carve out the time to make the food.

[Blade]

I think in my next life I want to be one of yalls dog. I can't believe all we've seen so far is dog spoilage LOL. Does anyone spoil anything else?

Guess I should have said Does anyone spoil any other type of pets, instead of saying anything else.......cats, horses, frogs, lizards, snakes, birds etc.....

[Sachita]

Guess I should have said Does anyone spoil any other type of pets, instead of saying anything else.......cats, horses, frogs, lizards, snakes, birds etc.....

I spoil all of my animals, however I don't cuddle, pet or name animals that may become dinner.

[DapperButch]

Orijen (what I'll be switch to soon) 29 pounds- $2.30 per day for a medium size dog @ 2 cups. There is one less pound.


Ok, so the biggest reason I have been using Newman's organic is because I wanted to make sure I had a product where the meat was free of antibiotics and growth hormones. I couldn't find a food outside of this one where this was clearly stated ("fresh" ingredients is meaningless, and free range doesn't mean free of hormones either, in all cases). Also, I do like plant based protein and Newman's met this, as well. However, I found on the Orijen website that their meat is antibiotic/growth hormone free and they have a a product with fish as their base meat (6 Fish Dog). I think I am going to switch.

Sachita, I am curious to know why Orijen is your new choice?

I think in my next life I want to be one of yalls dog. I can't believe all we've seen so far is dog spoilage LOL. Does anyone spoil anything else?

I have to tell you Blade, I really paused when I read this. I had this serious moment...lol Really, the only other thing I spoil is my car. I spoil it by using high end products on the car itself (the cleaning and protection of the interior and exterior), and also high end mechanical parts/fluids. So, yes, I spoil my car.

:| <-------maybe needs to look at what (who) is being left out on the spoiling list

[Sachita]

Sachita, that sounds very interesting!

Has anyone else had to be concerned w/ balance of protein and fat in dog food? My dogs are prone to kidney stones so research has suggested keeping closest match of protein to fat to avoid such... it has worked for me. My large breed dogs have lived to 15-3/4 and 14-1/2 years of active life without getting kidney stones so common to their breed.

Altho the premium brands promote high protein, sometimes that isn't actually best thing for some dogs due to age or breed specific metabolism.

I use ProPlan Selects Natural Salmon since I don't know how to create similar protein/fat balance in homemade dog food. I would "spoil" my dogs with homemade if I knew how to do so and it was healthier for them... and if I could carve out the time to make the food.

It's more the type of protein. If you take fresh wild salmon for instance the grading is done prior to processing so by the time they process it's less. I also think that keeping fats down is very important. If you simply imagine how you feel eating certain things, its how your dog will feel. If you ate processed foods, lots of carbs and meats you'll feel sluggish and most likely develop health problems but if you ate lean meats and lots of green veggies you'd feel more vibrant and less health issues.

We have quite a few dogs that have organ issues and kidney. I don't think that rice is the answer. I would consider The Honest Kitchen or if its affordable for you buy chicken and turkey, bake it then add things like blue berries, sweet potato, broccoli, kelp, romaine, kale, etc. change it up. Most people that do this make batches and freeze in small bags. It doesn't have to be expensive just time consuming. I'd also add herbs to strengthen organs. Here is an extract that is for humans but I use it for dogs all the time. https://www.herbdoc.com/index.php/Store/K-B-Formula

I know you live in NYC so food is probably expensive there. I know because the farmers I know selling grass fed and organic charge three times what i pay here.

[DapperButch]

Guess I should have said Does anyone spoil any other type of pets, instead of saying anything else.......cats, horses, frogs, lizards, snakes, birds etc.....

My dog is my only pet. He's a jack russell...I don't have time for another pet!

[Blade]

I must apologize for the possible derail.....the OP clearly states dogs and puppies and for some reason I had on my mind it said pets. Sorry Linus. Yall carry on and I will be back to post on my spoiled "Skippy" who has more clothes than I do.

[Sachita]

Ok, so the biggest reason I have been using Newman's organic is because I wanted to make sure I had a product where the meat was free of antibiotics and growth hormones. I couldn't find a food outside of this one where this was clearly stated ("fresh" ingredients is meaningless, and free range doesn't mean free of hormones either, in all cases). Also, I do like plant based protein and Newman's met this, as well. However, I found on the Orijen website that their meat is antibiotic/growth hormone free and they have a a product with fish as their base meat (6 Fish Dog). I think I am going to switch.

Sachita, I am curious to know why Orijen is your new choice?



I have to tell you Blade, I really paused when I read this. I had this serious moment...lol Really, the only other thing I spoil is my car. I spoil it by using high end products on the car itself (the cleaning and protection of the interior and exterior), and also high end mechanical parts/fluids. So, yes, I spoil my car.

:| <-------maybe needs to look at what (who) is being left out on the spoiling list

I'm always going to support organic because it's one of my huge agendas. I think Newman's it a great company that has wonderfully marketed products commercially. I don't really have anything bad to say. I wish they used less chemicals and more berries and veggies.

I am impressed with Orijen meat sources and they use regional farms for produce. I'm all about supporting local farms. But like any successful company once the numbers climb they are often sold to even larger companies that keep the brand but change the formula. I suspect this will start happening with Taste of The Wild.

My long term goal is to grow food for my dogs. I'm pretty close to this goal. I am raising large (Jersey Giants) meat chickens now which i will start hatching. I'm also looking into raising Emu for meat and oil which I feel will be excellent for dogs, especially dogs with health issues. I'm still research this and seeing if it's feasible. I'm just now able to wrap my head around processing my own chicken and turkey. I want that animal to have the best life possible and although I could take it to a processor many people believe its best to do this at the farm. I agree because there is no fear or stress. lol- omg I could go on and on about this. If you are lucky enough to have a local family farm near you consider supporting them by buying from them. Yes, it cost a bit more but at least you really know where your food comes from.

[Sachita]

Those of you on a budget. If you have small dogs it's easy. Adopt a healthy diet for yourself with lean meats, fruits and veggies. Then make enough to give to your fur baby. Don't give them onions, grapes, (I don't have the list) stick with lean meats, green veggies, fruits such as berries and banana.

[Scuba]

I never spoiled my dog...ever...ok...maybe a little.

...alright...

I admit...she owned me :) Missing my pup she was the bombdiggitydog!!

[ahk]

I have a mayer parrot who is spoiled too--

I make her bird seed mixture -- w/ no sunflower seeds (okay, as a treat yes)
I let her chew on cardboard and tree branches as a toy.
She gets regular shower time with me.
She also, gets to stay on my shoulder for extended amounts of time.

I like her.

[Metro]

It's more the type of protein. If you take fresh wild salmon for instance the grading is done prior to processing so by the time they process it's less. I also think that keeping fats down is very important. If you simply imagine how you feel eating certain things, its how your dog will feel. If you ate processed foods, lots of carbs and meats you'll feel sluggish and most likely develop health problems but if you ate lean meats and lots of green veggies you'd feel more vibrant and less health issues.

We have quite a few dogs that have organ issues and kidney. I don't think that rice is the answer. I would consider The Honest Kitchen or if its affordable for you buy chicken and turkey, bake it then add things like blue berries, sweet potato, broccoli, kelp, romaine, kale, etc. change it up. Most people that do this make batches and freeze in small bags. It doesn't have to be expensive just time consuming. I'd also add herbs to strengthen organs. Here is an extract that is for humans but I use it for dogs all the time. https://www.herbdoc.com/index.php/Store/K-B-Formula

I know you live in NYC so food is probably expensive there. I know because the farmers I know selling grass fed and organic charge three times what i pay here.

Thx for passing along the info, Sachita.

BTW, I believe you may be confusing me w/ another person who had/has similar handle. I do not live in NYC. :)

[Sachita]

Thx for passing along the info, Sachita.

BTW, I believe you may be confusing me w/ another person who had/has similar handle. I do not live in NYC. :)



oppss I'm so sorry!


something that is great for dogs is Inulin Fiber Chicory Root. It is a natural probotic and helps with digestive problems and immunity. Its very affordable and easy to mix into food. You can buy it as a powder. Another great thing is hulled hemp seeds. You don't have to give it to them daily, maybe 3 times a week. I buy it in bulk because I eat it too. The taste it really good.

[DapperButch]

Ok, so I just had to run over to my local pet store to pick up the Orijen 6 Fish Food, even though my dog still has quite a bit of the Newman's left (I actually didn't even think about that). Looks as though the 75%/25% transition mix of old/new food will be for a rather long time!

What struck me was the fish smell...wowsa!

Yes, reading about the regional farm use for Orijen (never frozen), along with the nonhormone/antibiotics that I mentioned before is what pushed me over the edge in my decision.

Also, my personal opinion is that for humans fish is best, chicken should be used minimally and always organic, and beef should never be injested (even grass fed). I do the best I can to eat as a seagan (vegan+seafood, but do eat chicken sometimes b/c I miss it), as I believe this is the healthies way for a human to eat. Is this the same for dogs? I don't know, but it seems to me that we look to put into our dog foods the same things we put in human for health (berries for anti-carcinogenic, anti-inflammatory, anti-viral, etc effects), so should we look to use the same meat sources for our animals that we believe are best for us?

Study after study is showing how red meat increases cancer rate in humans. It is suggested that we eat very little to no red meat. Dogs have a really high rate of cancer. Should we avoid giving our dogs red meat and seek plant based proteins as forward thinking oncologists are suggest for humans? I don't know. But, that was one of the reasons why I was buying Newman's Organic. A lot of the protein was plant based. HOWEVER, the protein is too low, and the meat source is chicken. They don't have a fish diet, either.

Does anyone have a link that gives information on which animal sources are best for dogs? I would love to read something like this.

P.S. Sachita, I don't know if you were referring to Newman's dog food or not (maybe just their human foods?), but they don't use any chemicals in their dog foods.

Thanks for the discussion, everyone!

[christie]

I never spoiled my dog...ever...ok...maybe a little.

...alright...

I admit...she owned me :) Missing my pup she was the bombdiggitydog!!

You can come spoil Felix...especially this morning. Mommy is busy de-Christmasing the house, Daddy is sleeping, the Boy is out and about and Felix is LONELY (read: he is right up on me JUST in case I need his help - boy, those ornaments SURE look like toys!) lol

I'm.ready.for.a.nap.

[DapperButch]

http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm208365.htm

Someone passed this along to me. People have different thinking about bones, so your mileage may vary, but I found it useful.



Hey everyone,

For many of us, our dogs/puppies are our babies. As some of you know we have two pugs (Lily and Lafawnda). We do spoil them but it's all good. One of the things I've been trying to find is something that will keep them busy during the day. We have given them filled hooves in the past but that's more hit and miss as to success. Lily is finicky about the kind and filling; Fawnda, however, doesn't care.

We've given them rib bones before but they tend to crack and eat them. I'm hoping to find a bone type that will keep them busy (thinking soup bone perhaps?). So I was curious as to what things you give your little ones to keep them busy as well as help their teeth and chewing habits.

This also can be a thread for ideas on food types (we've become partial to Blue Buffalo) and other discussions.

[Sachita]

Ok, so I just had to run over to my local pet store to pick up the Orijen 6 Fish Food, even though my dog still has quite a bit of the Newman's left (I actually didn't even think about that). Looks as though the 75%/25% transition mix of old/new food will be for a rather long time!

What struck me was the fish smell...wowsa!

Yes, reading about the regional farm use for Orijen (never frozen), along with the nonhormone/antibiotics that I mentioned before is what pushed me over the edge in my decision.

Also, my personal opinion is that for humans fish is best, chicken should be used minimally and always organic, and beef should never be injested (even grass fed). I do the best I can to eat as a seagan (vegan+seafood, but do eat chicken sometimes b/c I miss it), as I believe this is the healthies way for a human to eat. Is this the same for dogs? I don't know, but it seems to me that we look to put into our dog foods the same things we put in human for health (berries for anti-carcinogenic, anti-inflammatory, anti-viral, etc effects), so should we look to use the same meat sources for our animals that we believe are best for us?

Study after study is showing how red meat increases cancer rate in humans. It is suggested that we eat very little to no red meat. Dogs have a really high rate of cancer. Should we avoid giving our dogs red meat and seek plant based proteins as forward thinking oncologists are suggest for humans? I don't know. But, that was one of the reasons why I was buying Newman's Organic. A lot of the protein was plant based. HOWEVER, the protein is too low, and the meat source is chicken. They don't have a fish diet, either.

Does anyone have a link that gives information on which animal sources are best for dogs? I would love to read something like this.

P.S. Sachita, I don't know if you were referring to Newman's dog food or not (maybe just their human foods?), but they don't use any chemicals in their dog foods.

Thanks for the discussion, everyone!

I don't think Newman's is bad, at all. If you look at the list of ingredients you'll spend a few hours just looking them all up. I am not big on fish as part of a main protein source on a daily basis. I would choose red meat but hard to find safe red meat. Bison is good and lower in fat. I personally use chicken and turkey. Rabbit and deer is suppose to be awesome for dogs.

I would just transition to Orijen maybe the one with chicken which also has salmon meal. Then you can add stuff. If you switch protein sources like let's say you go from a primary lamb food to a salmon you're going to have major diarrhea. It's ok to feed them the same. What you can change up are the healthy oils, greens and some limited fruits. If you have your own hens or access to someone who has free range eggs these are good sometimes.

About bones- I don't give bones. Bones are tricky and can be dangerous.

http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm208365.htm

In fact I really don't give any hard chewy if I can help it. This puppy I have now has the toys, socks and pressed bones. hard bones are not going to clean your dogs teeth. If you have build up consider a spray with enzyme to help dissolve it. Giving your dogs a proper diet with the right food will help greatly, however some dogs do have bad teeth. Bones are not the answer.
Petzlife makes a great spray and or gel for this and its natural.

[SleepyButch]

I have an older dog who has severe heart disease and should have a diet low in sodium. I'm curious to know if anyone has any recommendations.

[DapperButch]

I don't think Newman's is bad, at all. If you look at the list of ingredients you'll spend a few hours just looking them all up. I am not big on fish as part of a main protein source on a daily basis. I would choose red meat but hard to find safe red meat. Bison is good and lower in fat. I personally use chicken and turkey. Rabbit and deer is suppose to be awesome for dogs.



Why do you think that red meat is a good choice for dogs if it is not a good/unhealthy choice for humans (assuming you agree with that statement)?

[Sachita]

I have an older dog who has severe heart disease and should have a diet low in sodium. I'm curious to know if anyone has any recommendations.

if he is overweight the first thing is to take the weight off and get him walking a few times a day. This is a very low fat diet and low insulin

http://www.chewy.com/dog/honest-kitchen-keen-dehydrated-dog/dp/34274

I would add Coenzyme Q10 and look at this

https://www.herbdoc.com/index.php?Query=Heart+Formula&option=com_oscommerce&osMod=search&Itemid=117

[SleepyButch]

if he is overweight the first thing is to take the weight off and get him walking a few times a day. This is a very low fat diet and low insulin

http://www.chewy.com/dog/honest-kitchen-keen-dehydrated-dog/dp/34274

I would add Coenzyme Q10 and look at this

https://www.herbdoc.com/index.php?Query=Heart+Formula&option=com_oscommerce&osMod=search&Itemid=117

No, she's not overweight any longer. Her heart is so big that it's almost the size of her chest cavity and she's a whippet with a deep chest so I just let her run around in the yard as she pleases. I don't want to chance she'll become winded with a walk. I'll take a look at that food. Thanks for the links!

[Linus]

http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm208365.htm

Someone passed this along to me. People have different thinking about bones, so your mileage may vary, but I found it useful.

I've seen that. Given that the FDA is a little weird sometimes about things i take it with a grain of salt. I wonder if the author of the article was thinking of cooked bones (which if that is the case, then it makes sense).

I did end up getting a knee (??? about the size of my fist) bone and Fawda just loved it! She even took Lily's (Lily isn't as much about chewing as Fawda is). She even favoured the bone over leftover holiday turkey (!!).

So we'll see how it goes.

[Sachita]

I've seen that. Given that the FDA is a little weird sometimes about things i take it with a grain of salt. I wonder if the author of the article was thinking of cooked bones (which if that is the case, then it makes sense).

I did end up getting a knee (??? about the size of my fist) bone and Fawda just loved it! She even took Lily's (Lily isn't as much about chewing as Fawda is). She even favoured the bone over leftover holiday turkey (!!).

So we'll see how it goes.

I think that anything they can fit in their mouth that can choke them is dangerous. If its a bone or even small toy that can be chewed up small enough to choke they could. Especially puppies. So its a trade off but its still dangerous so I would advise anyone to give these things when you are close by just in case.

Here is a great link and I suggest if you are a dog owner you print it and keep it handy.
http://animals.howstuffworks.com/pets/how-to-give-first-aid-to-your-dog7.htm

[Bleu]

Right now i am still in bed, having coffee and waking up. Why you ask? Because the chihuaha is still enjoying sleeping under the electric blanket and i don't want to disturb her.

Can we say spoilt?

I am so relieved to know I am not the only one who does exactly this.

[DapperButch]

Excellent! I was looking for something along the anti-oxidant line for my dog. I ordered the Verry Berry from another web site. Thank you!

Ok, so it came in today and I gave it to my dog. For his weight, it was only a teaspoon, which is good b/c the package delievered cost me $20. He will get 25.2 days out of the bag, so we are looking at $.79 per day for my dog.

Anyway, it was between meals and I thought maybe he would just eat the powder on nothing, so I just tossed it in his bowl to see what would happen. Well he licked it right up!

I am also going to be conscious of giving my dog his own portion of vegetables each day. Typically, I will give him a taste or two of my veggies, but it makes sense to make sure he has his own portion.

I have appreciated the ideas here in this thread.

Thanks all!

[pajama]

Put the deposit down on my next dog. S/he won't even be here until next October, for a December delivery. Which is perfect. It gives me lots of time to research more and start buying lots of stuff on sale to spoil him/her. Oh, s/he will be a Doberman. btw

[Bard]

question for the pup lovers here we have a wippet mix who is a rescue we have had her over a year she was very shy when we got her but now has come out of her shell. We also have a Sheppard mix who Phoebe loves. Phoebe took off on Desd back in late June and was missing for 10 days thank god we got her back we were a wreck. Now she is scared shitles of a fire in the firepace she will shake and cower run out of the room jump the baby gate to go upstairs. AND we have noticed the past few days she will all of a sudden get really scared of something and shake like hell Desd tried to hold her and comfort her show her that she is safe but it dosent help and I have had her do it with me to I can hold her and it passes but I have no clue what is makeing her so scared I dont want my baby to be scared we are wondering if it is like a post stress thing she was missing over the 4th of July and if we are outside and a loud bang goes off she runs to me and cowers and shakes on my feetso I pick her up and she snuggles into me

any thoughts

[DapperButch]

question for the pup lovers here we have a wippet mix who is a rescue we have had her over a year she was very shy when we got her but now has come out of her shell. We also have a Sheppard mix who Phoebe loves. Phoebe took off on Desd back in late June and was missing for 10 days thank god we got her back we were a wreck. Now she is scared shitles of a fire in the firepace she will shake and cower run out of the room jump the baby gate to go upstairs. AND we have noticed the past few days she will all of a sudden get really scared of something and shake like hell Desd tried to hold her and comfort her show her that she is safe but it dosent help and I have had her do it with me to I can hold her and it passes but I have no clue what is makeing her so scared I dont want my baby to be scared we are wondering if it is like a post stress thing she was missing over the 4th of July and if we are outside and a loud bang goes off she runs to me and cowers and shakes on my feetSO I pick her up and she snuggles into me

any thoughts

I agree with the PTSD diagnosis. I would suggest calling your vet and asking her what to do. I suspect that just like with people, it will abate over time. I would just make sure she has an emotional safe place when you build a fire for example (can she be allowed upstairs?). I wouldn't try to make her more comfortable with the fire, I would just let her go where she needs to go to feel safe. Trying to coax her to be ok with the fire could do more damage (you didn't say you were doing this, I was just saying).

Also, just like you said, if she is scares and runs to you, pick her up and hold her close against you so that she feels safe. Hopefully, over time it will lessen, but she may always be afraid of fire and a little skittish with noise. I would still call your vet just to check though.

Good luck.

[Bard]

I agree with the PTSD diagnosis. I would suggest calling your vet and asking her what to do. I suspect that just like with people, it will abate over time. I would just make sure she has an emotional safe place when you build a fire for example (can she be allowed upstairs?). I wouldn't try to make her more comfortable with the fire, I would just let her go where she needs to go to feel safe. Trying to coax her to be ok with the fire could do more damage (you didn't say you were doing this, I was just saying).

Also, just like you said, if she is scares and runs to you, pick her up and hold her close against you so that she feels safe. Hopefully, over time it will lessen, but she may always be afraid of fire and a little skittish with noise. I would still call your vet just to check though.

Good luck.

thanks yeah she can go upstairs but then she has a accident not all the time but .. She was not scared of the fireplace before we had used the fireplace when we first moved in to the house and she was fine it is just now soo. we are also thinking of getting her a thunder shirt we have one for Grace and it make a lot of diffrence. I will talk to the vet tho and keep holding her close

[Metro]

question for the pup lovers here we have a wippet mix who is a rescue we have had her over a year she was very shy when we got her but now has come out of her shell. We also have a Sheppard mix who Phoebe loves. Phoebe took off on Desd back in late June and was missing for 10 days thank god we got her back we were a wreck. Now she is scared shitles of a fire in the firepace she will shake and cower run out of the room jump the baby gate to go upstairs. AND we have noticed the past few days she will all of a sudden get really scared of something and shake like hell Desd tried to hold her and comfort her show her that she is safe but it dosent help and I have had her do it with me to I can hold her and it passes but I have no clue what is makeing her so scared I dont want my baby to be scared we are wondering if it is like a post stress thing she was missing over the 4th of July and if we are outside and a loud bang goes off she runs to me and cowers and shakes on my feetso I pick her up and she snuggles into me

any thoughts

In dog obedience training we learned it was better not to reinforce a dog's fear by holding them physically close (as that is basically rewarding the fearful behavior).

Instead, these classes trained human companions to engage the dog in performing a different activity (like heeling, sitting, laying down, or coming when called) for which the dog is rewarded by verbal praise and/or a small treat.

This technique distracts the dog from the fear inducing situation or thing and also reinforces good activity and behavior via training -- which many dogs enjoy since they have our undivided attention. In addition, they are given an opportunity to please and thus be rewarded. Reward = Happy

:dog:

This tactic works for me. I keep training or engaging the dog in play (i.e. fetching a ball) until they become focused on the training and forget about the worrisome or tantilizing situation.

It may take several short sessions, building up over a period of time, to desensitize a dog to something which is fear inducing. And it may only help to a degree, but perhaps it's worth a try?

Another thing I picked up in classes is to ignore loud noises -- dog's look for our reactions and if we model calm then they may become less concerned, too.

Good luck.

[DapperButch]

thanks yeah she can go upstairs but then she has a accident not all the time but .. She was not scared of the fireplace before we had used the fireplace when we first moved in to the house and she was fine it is just now soo. we are also thinking of getting her a thunder shirt we have one for Grace and it make a lot of diffrence. I will talk to the vet tho and keep holding her close

Yes, I think you are right, I think the fire is all about the 4th of July...sparks, you know? Thunder shirt is a good idea. I guess I was thinking being allowed to go upstairs only during fire time. The important thing is that she has parents who love her....that is what is going to heal her the quickest! :-)

[bright_arrow]

Yes, I think you are right, I think the fire is all about the 4th of July...sparks, you know? Thunder shirt is a good idea. I guess I was thinking being allowed to go upstairs only during fire time. The important thing is that she has parents who love her....that is what is going to heal her the quickest! :-)

I wish we could let her go upstairs, but she will a) eat all the cat's food and b) have accidents - sometimes multiple accidents throughout the night if we do not notice she has jumped it and ran upstairs.

The random, severe shaking is new though, and there has not been anything I've heard that will cause it. Sometimes she will lay between us and the couch and shove her nose in the corner and just shake :|

[DapperButch]

I wish we could let her go upstairs, but she will a) eat all the cat's food and b) have accidents - sometimes multiple accidents throughout the night if we do not notice she has jumped it and ran upstairs.

The random, severe shaking is new though, and there has not been anything I've heard that will cause it. Sometimes she will lay between us and the couch and shove her nose in the corner and just shake :|

Oh, I see about the upstairs.

Does it make sense to you, as Bard says, that it could be related to her being out during the 4th of July? It really seems to be a Post Traumatic Stress Disorder like humans get. Any trigger (in this case, fire which crackles like a firecracker), makes her feel as if the event is happening again.

The random shaking happens during times there is no loud noises and no fires? Just randomly out of the blue? Did it start right after she was found OR did it start after you started making fires in the fireplace?

<---human therapist

[Words]

thanks yeah she can go upstairs but then she has a accident not all the time but .. She was not scared of the fireplace before we had used the fireplace when we first moved in to the house and she was fine it is just now soo. we are also thinking of getting her a thunder shirt we have one for Grace and it make a lot of diffrence. I will talk to the vet tho and keep holding her close

One of O/our Yorkies is petrified of the crackling of the fire. W/we've tried holding him close in the hope this will help but he just continues to shiver so W/we've basically given up.

Funny thing is, he has no problem with fireworks. Yours?

Words

[ButchEire]

I know you're trying to help him feel better but in reality, holding him close when he's afraid of the fire is reinforcing his fear. Ignoring him (making sure he is safe, of course) and rewarding with praise, etc. when he becomes calm is the best way to reinforce your goal.

One of O/our Yorkies is petrified of the crackling of the fire. W/we've tried holding him close in the hope this will help but he just continues to shiver so W/we've basically given up.

Funny thing is, he has no problem with fireworks. Yours?

Words

[Words]

I know you're trying to help him feel better but in reality, holding him close when he's afraid of the fire is reinforcing his fear. Ignoring him (making sure he is safe, of course) and rewarding with praise, etc. when he becomes calm is the best way to reinforce your goal.

Thanks. I just went and did what I should have done before and read the posts that preceded mine.

It's just such a pity. I hate the idea of him being upstairs all by himself - our home is 300 years old and very draughty - but if that's what he needs to do, then that's what he needs to do. (We've tried the reward/praise idea but again, no go.)

Anyway, thanks again for the advice.

Words

[ButchEire]

Dogs and animals in general pick up on your emotional energy and he may also be reflecting your angst (for want of a better word) about his discomfort. This would thwart the goal of his own calm-ness.

Thanks. I just went and did what I should have done before and read the posts that preceded mine.

It's just such a pity. I hate the idea of him being upstairs all by himself - our home is 300 years old and very draughty - but if that's what he needs to do, then that's what he needs to do. (We've tried the reward/praise idea but again, no go.)

Anyway, thanks again for the advice.

Words

[pajama]

In dog obedience training we learned it was better not to reinforce a dog's fear by holding them physically close (as that is basically rewarding the fearful behavior).

Instead, these classes trained human companions to engage the dog in performing a different activity (like heeling, sitting, laying down, or coming when called) for which the dog is rewarded by verbal praise and/or a small treat.

This technique distracts the dog from the fear inducing situation or thing and also reinforces good activity and behavior via training -- which many dogs enjoy since they have our undivided attention. In addition, they are given an opportunity to please and thus be rewarded. Reward = Happy

It may take several short sessions, building up over a period of time, to desensitize a dog to something which is fear inducing. And it may only help to a degree, but perhaps it's worth a try?


It's funny, although I seldom watch Dog Whisperer, I happened to watch an episode yesterday that had a dog displaying this type of behavior over a screen door. First, you're right, Cesar said do not go to the dog or coddle the dog when he is displaying fear as it reinforces "Yes you're right, you're in danger, and I as your Alpha will protect you from it." Second, at the moment, the dog is only in fight-or-flight mode. And no amount of training will sink in. You have to break the fear. What Cesar did was kept walking up to the screen (or fire in your case) with the dog on the leash. Even though the dog pulled and tried to get away he would just hold steady there. He wouldn't talk to the dog, he wouldn't PRAISE the dog, because the dog would think the praise is for the fear not for just standing there. Insert disclaimer here of do not try this at home, Cesar is a trained professional, blah, blah, blah.


The random, severe shaking is new though, and there has not been anything I've heard that will cause it. Sometimes she will lay between us and the couch and shove her nose in the corner and just shake :|

This may just be because somehow the original fear has been reinforced (unwittingly, I mean until I saw the show yesterday I would have done all the same things to try and comfort the dog.). So now the dog thinks, "Oh there is danger here. Well is that danger? What about that? Over there, what's that?"

I don't really know what to say to help fix it. Just what I've heard that might make it worse. I guess you have to think like the alpha and think of things that would show you're not afraid of whatever.

A

[Bard]

I was not home for new years but Desd said she was crazy scared with the fireworks.. With the fireplace I try to just have her sit by me so she can feel secure and stoke her telling her mamas got you bubba dog kind of how I would try to soothe my daughter when she was very small. when it is the random shaking for no apparent reason that was when I try to hold her close . Grace even goes to her and kisses her face . they react differently Grace was a stray and she was abused at some point. Phoebe was tossed in a shelter when she was weened so she did not get human socialization and she is very shy since we got Grace Phoebe is much more outgoing . With Desd and I phobe is very loving

[bright_arrow]

Oh, I see about the upstairs.

Does it make sense to you, as Bard says, that it could be related to her being out during the 4th of July? It really seems to be a Post Traumatic Stress Disorder like humans get. Any trigger (in this case, fire which crackles like a firecracker), makes her feel as if the event is happening again.

The random shaking happens during times there is no loud noises and no fires? Just randomly out of the blue? Did it start right after she was found OR did it start after you started making fires in the fireplace?

<---human therapist

Yes, the shaking often happens out of the blue. If there is loud noises, it will happen too of course. Just a few minutes ago they heard a sound outside and went beserk barking, then Phoebe was on my feet shaking like a twig. I am going to say the shaking started anytime we had a fire after we had gotten her back.. so all we can think of is a PTSD from when she was out and about.

The shaking thing though, she does when she is nervous sometimes, always has, but this is more extreme and she fights you if you try to hold her. Before if she was scared of say someone new and was a little shaky, you could hold her and she'd be okay.

One of O/our Yorkies is petrified of the crackling of the fire. W/we've tried holding him close in the hope this will help but he just continues to shiver so W/we've basically given up.

Funny thing is, he has no problem with fireworks. Yours?

Words

Fireworks freak her out. The crackling of the fire has no effect on her - we tried the fireplace on Netflix that has the crackling sound and she paid no mind to it - so I wonder if she is associating the smell with the fires going on outside during the 4th of July?

[DapperButch]

so I wonder if she is associating the smell with the fires going on outside during the 4th of July?

Yes, that is what I am saying. Any behavior or fear around fire or loud, unepxected sounds AFTER being gone I bet would be connected to 4th of July. PTSD.

Any behavior that was in place prior to being lost during the 4th would be something else.

I would bet a dog behaviorist would have a different approach for treating a dog's fear response that is due to "trauma", then they would for a fear response that is not a result of trauma. But, maybe not. That is why going to meet with your vet is a good idea. It seems rather complicated, and I would worry that it could be damaging if you did anything besides just letting her "do her thing" when she is scared...if she wants to be close, let her be close, if she wants to run as far away as she can, then let her do that. I personally wouldn't try any other tactic unless a vet told me what to do. You don't want to make it worse for her.

[christie]

Even the girls at Starbucks are in on the spoiling of Felix... he gets his own, gratis, "pupacino"... a very small cup of whipped cream.

He goes NUTS for this... Bratboy usually gets a vanilla bean frap.... Felix sees it andstartsto garbling, whining and trying his damnedest to get to it... its funny as all hell to watch...

Its not a frequent treat for him, so I don't worry about it too much. It makes him happy and I get a giggle out of it!

[choochoo-enginerd]

Even the girls at Starbucks are in on the spoiling of Felix... he gets his own, gratis, "pupacino"... a very small cup of whipped cream.

He goes NUTS for this... Bratboy usually gets a vanilla bean frap.... Felix sees it andstartsto garbling, whining and trying his damnedest to get to it... its funny as all hell to watch...

Its not a frequent treat for him, so I don't worry about it too much. It makes him happy and I get a giggle out of it!


Yah....and we won't dicuss in detail any adverse effects of whip cream on the pooch, just that it brings him joy....and his mama and pops joy to indulge him for a moment! The girls at starbucks luuuuuv him <3

[pamcat]

LOL.. they do have personalities, eh? Ours love little carrots. They go apeshit over them when ever we bring him a bag of those tiny carrots. They will try every trick we've taught them (Fawnda in particular) to get one. What I mean is if I have a carrot or two in my hand Fawnda will sit, shake paw, spin, lie down, roll over and play dead (especially the hammy dead of all four paws stuck up awkwardly in the air) to convince me that they should have the carrot(s).
I have collies ( both rough and smooth) and they love carrots too. My rough boy will eat it very daintily and keep coming back to it, but my smooth boy throws it in the air, catches it, eats a few bites, plays with it again, so funny and a delight to watch. But they will never touch each others carrots, even if they are left in the yard. They're very respectful of each other's belongings, but that's a collie for you - just beautiful boys.

[Jesse]

I thought this would be a good thread for posting this recall I just received via email.

http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-recall/baileys-choice-dog-treats-recall/ (http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-recall/baileys-choice-dog-treats-recall/)

[Jar]

My pup is a 7 yr old pekehund.... Mixture of dachshund and Pekingese. I only feed her blue dog food which is made in Connecticut. Her food bill is almost as much as mine :)

[Rockinonahigh]

Last year my pug who was healthy as a horse started haveing seesurs(????) then the shakes,I had been feeding the jerky treats from wagon train,then I read about dogs in japan and other places dieing from kidny problems along with other things.I stoped feeding any of this treat cause she would get lethargic with diarea then after she passed it all she would bounce right back.Even after not haveing the jerky for a while these symthoms would come back,I had her geting over this with help from my vet,she was in my room laying on the pillows in the corner while I was takeing a shower so when I got out and went back in my room she had passed,she looked like she had a stroke or heart attack at best gess from my vet.I was going to have an autopsie done but it was way expensive to do so I didnt.I absolutly wont have any of those treats any where near my fur kids.I feed the one I have now purina beef and burger soft chew dog food with on problems at all and they thrive on it.I have lately been cooking my own dog food up with chicken breast with small veggies or use beef fixed the same way,they like it and I know its safe.I have a friend who works for purina mills we have talked about this issue a lot so i'm learning a lot about nutrition not just buying a bag of dog food..I really miss Puggy.

[Jesse]

https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-recall/true-raw-choice-pet-treats-recall/