Butches: how do you like to be treated on a date?

[tiaras-and-books]

There's a thread asking femmes how we like to be treated on dates (http://www.butchfemmeplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3530), but I didn't see one for the butches to chime in on how you like to be treated on dates. Inquiring minds want to know! :)

What makes a good date for you?

[ForeverMe]

I am interested in hearing the responses on this. I am so glad that you asked.

[bokster]

On a first date, I'd expect some jitters on my part when I pick up my date. EVEN if I tell myself to play it cool.

I would really appreciate it if you greet me with a warm smile to let me know that you're relaxed around me - that would help.

Or you can give me a naughty smile. I'd appreciate that, too. :D

[MysticOceansFL]

I would have to say both parties on the first date shouldn't really be expecting anything from each other except polite and honesty.

[Hey You]

I like to do the gentleman thing- opening doors and stuff. I like to pay, even though I'm not exactly rich. I feel uncomfortable if anyone who isn't a really good friend or well-established girlfriend pays for anything for me. But I enjoy paying on dates and stuff. So I like to do that.
Some physical contact. Just spending time and talking is nice, but it's not enough. I want to cuddle if we're in a cinema or sitting somewhere close together. Hold hands while walking or across the table. A kiss goodnight if it went well.
The whole dinner and stuff is nice but I also really like simple dates. A couple of the nicest dates I've ever been on we walked along the walkway by the river after dinner.

As for specifically how I like to be treated- As an equal but with an acknowledgement that I am at the butch end of the scale. Don't try to 'treat me like a lady', I want to do that for you and I will be annoyed and probably offended if you try it on me. I'm not going to mother you, but let me take care of you a bit. Let me pull my phone out for the purpose of showing you pictures of my animals and probably my motorbike. I love those things. Pull your phone out to show me pictures of the things or people you love the most. Have an intellectual conversation with me, challenge me mentally. Give me something to think about after the date. I will enjoy your presence more if you stimulate my mind as well as my body. Having said that, discussions about sex (although probably not the real thing on the first date) are welcome at any time. Lol. People with dirty minds are much more interesting than people with clean minds.

It's really late. Depending how this thread goes I may come and contribute again. But I hope this much helps :)

[Hey You]

Anyone else care to comment? This is actually a really interesting question.

[RockOn]

Treated with respect, kindness ... if she likes me on the first date and I like her too, it feels good to me to be lightly touched on the arm, shoulder, thigh ... it feels sort of like a subtle gesture of fondness to me.

Once on a first date, I knocked on her door with a bouquet of roses. When she opened the door, she grabbed my hand, yanked me inside and literally swallowed me whole. I did not like that. Felt way too cheesy ... as in a cheap-themed movie.

Subtle will get my attention. :)

[Redsunflower]

Brilliant thread tiaras-and-books.

*bump*

[ForeverMe]

I'm gonna take a turn giving a gentle bump on this one. I think it's a great topic.

[tiaras-and-books]

One more bump. I really like hearing what you all have to say.

[Happy_Go_Lucky]

Effortless sharing of laughter on the first will heighten the chances of a second.

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[Kobi]

My philosophy is, if you need to ask how to treat me on a date, we probably shouldnt be dating :)

Just like a femme, I wish to be treated well and be made to feel special.

No magic formula involved. Common sense, manners, and interest go a long way.

Treating a date like it is a job interview or an inquisition is not acceptable.

[Play]

One of my favorite times with my girl was one when we weren't quite dating yet
but I asked her to run errands with me one day. I had a list but it was short stops
and we just drove around and talked and laughed.

One of the coolest parts was when she literally sat with her back against the door
and looked right at me. She didn't care where we were going, she was just focused
on me. We listened to great music, laughed at ourselves and others, and then it
got really quiet and that was cool too. She just looked content with a little smile
on her face. I asked what she was thinking about and she just said it was so easy
to hang out with me.

That's what keeps our relationship strong. We genuinely like each other.

Of course it didn't hurt that she touched me frequently in a flirty manner and her
eyes were sparkling.

I guess to sum it all up....Show interest, don't be too serious, light flirty touches
are a plus and be able to be silent without awkwardness. All of this will put me at
ease knowing you are present and happy.

I agree with others with keeping expectations low and just see how it goes.
Light and fun off the start makes me want to know more about who you are
and what makes you "tick".

[EnderD_503]

For some reason I misread this thread as "Butches: do you like to be treated on a date?"

Was about to come in and say "why yes! yes I do!" :p

Anyways, as far as the thread. I guess I'd just say that I liked to be treated with respect just like anyone else, but other than that I was never really into being treated in any particular way or having my ego stroked or something. As long as its a good time, both doing something we enjoy, then either things "click" or they don't.

As far as now with "date nights" with my partner. Getting the chance to enjoy each others' company and do something we both like. We don't really have any kind "etiquette" or something, we just want to have fun together outside of the apartment.

[skeeter_01]

I've never thought about how I like to be 'treated' on a date. I think it's kinda like being stone (in my definition anyway). My pleasure is defined by how much pleasure I can give my lady...

I hope that makes sense..... :blink:

[MysticOceansFL]

Honesty and no expectations except politeness! To both people involved.

[firegal]

Yanno my expectations are said by many...as I have gotten more mature and experienced in life my thoughts have changed drastically.

All I know is I,m stone butch and fit nicely with a "femme" and enjoy life and respect and honesty..... The rest is for a more private convo!

And not up for debate because....who I am and what I like is ALL MINe!

I love this site!

Enjoy!

[Queenie]

What an interesting topic. I am going to ask my husband when he gets home tonight how he likes to be treated by me when we go on our date nights.

[imperfect_cupcake]

I do notice a lot of people say "I like to be treated with respect." Everyone does. I don't k ow anyone that likes to be treated with disrespect. But the thing is, respect looks different to everyone. What I consider respectful will not be respectful to someone else. And vice versa.
I know but this isn't a popular topic thread but I am actually pretty interested. Do you like being flirted with? How much? How forward? Do you prefer someone to go all out in their own way or do you prefer a girl that just is completely casual? Do you like to be asked out? Do you like your arm being touched and leaning in or do you prefer to do all the work? Do you like her to be agreeable.or do you like her playful and sassy? How word she behavave on a date that would pop your clogs?

[Elijah]

Alright, let me give this go...

Of course I wanted to be respected - and more. What does that look like?

*You are polite and attentive (and of course - I will be too)

*Assuming you are interested, you are flirtatious without being pushy. All I need to know is the interest is there and (if I am interested too), I can take it from there!

*You are engaged in the conversation and are interested in getting to know me (and I will be too)

*You touch me casually on my arms and/or legs

*You laugh at my jokes (I am funny, you know.)

*You allow me to pay unless otherwise negotiated

*For the love of G-d, put your cell phone away! (unless there is a legitimate reason i.e. young children, emergency calls, etc)

*If you want a goodnight kiss or other physical intimacy at the end of the evening (or whenever) have an open body posture that is congruent with that. Touch me, face me, lean closer, whisper in my ear, put your head on my shoulder (be creative - and tasteful).

*Be dressed appropriately for the date.

*I don't like people to be overly agreeable or overly combative, not on the first date, not ever.

*Please be smart, sexy, engaging, open, appropriate and easy to get along with (and I will be too, I promise)

The End.









I do notice a lot of people say "I like to be treated with respect." Everyone does. I don't k ow anyone that likes to be treated with disrespect. But the thing is, respect looks different to everyone. What I consider respectful will not be respectful to someone else. And vice versa.
I know but this isn't a popular topic thread but I am actually pretty interested. Do you like being flirted with? How much? How forward? Do you prefer someone to go all out in their own way or do you prefer a girl that just is completely casual? Do you like to be asked out? Do you like your arm being touched and leaning in or do you prefer to do all the work? Do you like her to be agreeable.or do you like her playful and sassy? How word she behavave on a date that would pop your clogs?

[Mel C.]

Alright, let me give this go...

Of course I wanted to be respected - and more. What does that look like?

*You are polite and attentive (and of course - I will be too)

*Assuming you are interested, you are flirtatious without being pushy. All I need to know is the interest is there and (if I am interested too), I can take it from there!

*You are engaged in the conversation and are interested in getting to know me (and I will be too)

*You touch me casually on my arms and/or legs

*You laugh at my jokes (I am funny, you know.)

*You allow me to pay unless otherwise negotiated

*For the love of G-d, put your cell phone away! (unless there is a legitimate reason i.e. young children, emergency calls, etc)

*If you want a goodnight kiss or other physical intimacy at the end of the evening (or whenever) have an open body posture that is congruent with that. Touch me, face me, lean closer, whisper in my ear, put your head on my shoulder (be creative - and tasteful).

*Be dressed appropriately for the date.

*I don't like people to be overly agreeable or overly combative, not on the first date, not ever.

*Please be smart, sexy, engaging, open, appropriate and easy to get along with (and I will be too, I promise)

The End.

Excellent post! I will be back to chime in, but for now "subscribe"

[Mel C.]

Be attentive...engage in conversation and ask follow-up questions to show you are listening (don't just parrot the conversation).
Be open....show me you are interested in me knowing you.
Be real...don't try to sell me a version of you that can't be maintained.
Have fun...if I can't tell that you are enjoying yourself, i wont be relaxed.
Be friendly...even if you have bitchy resting face, make the effort to flash a few smiles
Touch me...find a reason.
Be appreciative...I expect to pick up the tab, but I don't "owe" you anything.
After the date...follow up and show you are interested in another date.

I agree with an earlier post, put the cell phone away!

I need sleep and reserve the right to post again after I get some rest.

[Daktari]

Be your clever, gorgeous self and don't get hung up on what you think I need on a date.

[EnderD_503]

I do notice a lot of people say "I like to be treated with respect." Everyone does. I don't k ow anyone that likes to be treated with disrespect. But the thing is, respect looks different to everyone. What I consider respectful will not be respectful to someone else. And vice versa.
I know but this isn't a popular topic thread but I am actually pretty interested. Do you like being flirted with? How much? How forward? Do you prefer someone to go all out in their own way or do you prefer a girl that just is completely casual? Do you like to be asked out? Do you like your arm being touched and leaning in or do you prefer to do all the work? Do you like her to be agreeable.or do you like her playful and sassy? How word she behavave on a date that would pop your clogs?

Respect for me means not questioning another person's identity (especially when it comes trans related stuff), not ridiculing the other person and things like that.

As far as flirting or women being forward with me. I'm a pretty shy guy myself and have always really sucked at flirting with people I don't know well. In my own mind I always sound awkward as hell. So I actually really like it when someone is more forward with me. I might not actually be with my current partner if she were as shy as I am and wasn't more forward. She's definitely the one who started hitting on me first and kissed me first (but to my credit I covered some other "firsts" to even things out! :p ), but luckily for me my awkwardness was apparently what made her fall for me in the first place :p So in short: nope I have no problem with a date flirting with me or being more forward than I am, and it kind of makes me feel more comfortable to flirt back.

As far as someone "going all out" I'm a bit less comfortable with that. I like dates that are more casual. If by that you mean romantic gestures. I don't like many "formal" romantic gestures because it makes me feel...you guessed it...awkward! :p Casual is more my thing...which isn't to say that romantic is bad, I guess my partner and I have different ideas of romance than most people (f.ex. zombies).

I really don't care who does the asking out. For example, even though my partner was the first to put the moves on me, I was the first to ask for a date (moar zombies). However, I've had plenty of women ask me out and I'm also 100% cool with that too. I have a tendency to end up with femmes who are more outgoing/forward/louder/more social etc. than I am, kind of my "type" I guess lol

I'm cool with touching as long as if boundaries are ever expressed, they're respected (and that goes both ways of course).

Agreeable is boring, bring on the sass :p

[Charmingbutch21]

If I've asked you on a date, then I obviously feel some type of connection. I'm one of those people that you meet and you feel like you've known me forever. I have a knack for making people feel comfortable. Now, knowing that...I like to flirt and for my date to engage back, I'm a sucker for a quick wit. I like when my date looks me in the eyes as we talk, this can be really sexy. I like to share brief touches (fingertips, forearms, knees) and if I'm really into a woman, to put my arm around her shoulders. I really love when a femme takes my elbow as I guide us through a restaurant or down a sidewalk. Makes me puff my chest out a little :) I like to open doors, pull out chairs, and (if she's comfortable) give her a few bites of food while we dine.

-cb

[Tuff Stuff]

She can respect me if she wants to,or not.:spruceup:+:drunk:+:bedfuck:=:goodscore:

[Roman]

Treated with respect, kindness ... if she likes me on the first date and I like her too, it feels good to me to be lightly touched on the arm, shoulder, thigh ... it feels sort of like a subtle gesture of fondness to me.

Once on a first date, I knocked on her door with a bouquet of roses. When she opened the door, she grabbed my hand, yanked me inside and literally swallowed me whole. I did not like that. Felt way too cheesy ... as in a cheap-themed movie.

Subtle will get my attention. :)

This is exactly how I feel. I greatly appreciate subtle gestures. To me, there is a lot of power in a subtle gesture. it takes great attention to detail and talent to make a move at the right time in the right way. A few people have mentioned respect. Mastering subtle gestures is definitely a way to show respect. It means you've taken enough interest to realize that being too "touchy-feely" will overwhelm me especially if I haven't been around you much before.

[Tuff Stuff]

I still like it when they want to rip my clothes off on the first date..but that's just me.*sigh*

[homoe]

I'd like to take priority on a first date! I mean for gods sakes put your phone away and live in the moment! Other than good conversation and your full undivided attention, I'm good!

[SaltyButch]

If we have managed to get to a date, it would have been after having had some good conversation. So, I would expect that you would be the same as you have been as I've gotten to know you over the past little while. I am big on manners and am OFOS, so my behaviour will reflect that, don't disrespect me by saying I'm a guy.

Although I know we can get shy I will do my best to make you feel comfortable, it would be appreciated if you would do the same. I'm a self described 2x4 so if you are interested I will need a sign with your flirtatious banter, your slight touch of my arm or that lovely smile. The conversation should flow easily and if at the end of the night we are both feeling it a nice kiss goodbye with plans to meet again.

[job]

I don't need to be treated in a particular way. Just smile and be happy. Make me laugh and I will return the favor.

[AishasWrath]

I'd want to be treated like a friend having fun quality time with a friend, no fuss no pomp and circumstance no expensive stuff, just doing things together and talking and enjoying one another's company.

[Chad]

Treat me with respect. I will take very good care of my date. I will open the door for her, make her comfortable, treat her with respect, and offer conversation topics. I will take her to a restaurant or event that I know she will enjoy and I will keep her safe. In return I would like good conversations on any topic, she should be polite, happy, and friendly.

[Angeltoes]

Recently I had a butch tell me they felt like a 'loser' when I opened the door for them. I honestly wasn't trying to prove a point. I got to the door first, so I opened it and held it open. I'm totally out of practice and don't remember the 'rules' anymore. How do other butchers feel about the door thing?

[Chad]

Recently I had a butch tell me they felt like a 'loser' when I opened the door for them. I honestly wasn't trying to prove a point. I got to the door first, so I opened it and held it open. I'm totally out of practice and don't remember the 'rules' anymore. How do other butchers feel about the door thing?

If you opened the door for me I would think you were very sweet and we may even chuckle about it later.
:cowboy:

[JDeere]

With some respect even if we don't agree on everything!

[Tuff Stuff]

Recently I had a butch tell me they felt like a 'loser' when I opened the door for them. I honestly wasn't trying to prove a point. I got to the door first, so I opened it and held it open. I'm totally out of practice and don't remember the 'rules' anymore. How do other butchers feel about the door thing?

I like to be the one to reach the door first and open it for her..i've always did that for women and I will do it for men also...its a habit of mine.*shrug*

I don't know why it is but I just don't like people opening doors for me.

[Angeltoes]

I like to be the one to reach the door first and open it for her..i've always did that for women and I will do it for men also...its a habit of mine.*shrug*

I don't know why it is but I just don't like people opening doors for me.

I don't mind people opening doors for me, but it's definitely a habit for me to reach for it as well. I hold the door for men, women, and children.

There is another thing. Some guy was staring at us holding hands in a department store and the butch started to chuckle and stare him down. I mean, don't you think that's a dangerous thing to do? I don't feel like getting assaulted or worse because someone was staring at us.

[DapperButch]

Recently I had a butch tell me they felt like a 'loser' when I opened the door for them. I honestly wasn't trying to prove a point. I got to the door first, so I opened it and held it open. I'm totally out of practice and don't remember the 'rules' anymore. How do other butchers feel about the door thing?

It would make me/has made me, uncomfortable, but I know that it shouldn't.

I don't mind people opening doors for me, but it's definitely a habit for me to reach for it as well. I hold the door for men, women, and children.

There is another thing. Some guy was staring at us holding hands in a department store and the butch started to chuckle and stare him down. I mean, don't you think that's a dangerous thing to do? I don't feel like getting assaulted or worse because someone was staring at us.

I don't know exactly how the butch did it, but I would just smile at the guy as if I didn't notice he was staring...but he would also know on some level that I knew that he was staring and that I thought he was a douche. It is kind of hard to explain.

Was it dangerous? My experience as a butch over the last 25 years is that I am very good at quickly deducing if it is a safe situation to "stare back", or an unsafe situation. You were in a department store. More likely than not, the guy was not going to come at your butch, right? It is all situational what you can do and still be safe. NOW, if my partner did not feel safe if I gave back a big ole, "fuck you" kind of smile, then I would not do it, and just pretend like I didn't notice the guy. There are really a number of variables to the "butch response" to people looking at them with disgust/anger they are with a femme.

[TL1]

Recently I had a butch tell me they felt like a 'loser' when I opened the door for them. I honestly wasn't trying to prove a point. I got to the door first, so I opened it and held it open. I'm totally out of practice and don't remember the 'rules' anymore. How do other butchers feel about the door thing?

People are quick to get hung up on roles and how things should be. We all have our ideas... Even I do.
of course my natural instinct is to open a door for my date but it doesn't define who I am if someone opens the door for me. To each their own but I find it a bit petty when someone has a fit over such things.

[Angeltoes]

True. I don't think a couple has to stick to their so-called roles to be romantic with each other.

This butch also likes to pull out my chair when we're going to eat and that's very sweet, but I think it may get old after awhile. Sometimes a girl just wants to pull out her own chair and sit down...

[dykeumentary]

I don't mind people opening doors for me, but it's definitely a habit for me to reach for it as well. I hold the door for men, women, and children.

There is another thing. Some guy was staring at us holding hands in a department store and the butch started to chuckle and stare him down. I mean, don't you think that's a dangerous thing to do? I don't feel like getting assaulted or worse because someone was staring at us.

I was taught to open doors for everyone-- but that is because I was raised as a workingclass girl -- taught to serve everyone. When I am dating a Femme and open doors for her, that is just ONE of MANY ways to show her I see her, and want to please her. It's one of many ways, so I don't have to get to weird about that one piarticular action.

Regarding the incident in the store, I believe part of power dynamics is: Who gets to decide WHEN there is a power dynamic happening? I wouldn't choose to engage in a power struggle with some unstable fool in a store. I would ignore him (probably not even notice him.) i do think it could get dangerous to upset someone who is threatened by other Shoppers in a STORE. An unwell person like that needs professional help. I would also caution you, Angeltoes, how much reinforcement does this butch need, and are you willing/able to give it?

Remember that scene from Game Of Thrones, where Joffrey says "I am THE KING!" And his father the badass Lannister says "Anyone who really IS the king would NEVER feel they have to say that." That can be applied to butches, transmen (and performed masculinity by cis men) - if someone has to earnestly draw attention to all that they are trying to be, and all the ways they "prove" it, they arent really secure in whatever it is. That's unattractibve.

[NitroChrys_Butch]

Recently I had a butch tell me they felt like a 'loser' when I opened the door for them. I honestly wasn't trying to prove a point. I got to the door first, so I opened it and held it open. I'm totally out of practice and don't remember the 'rules' anymore. How do other butchers feel about the door thing?

I would be a gentleman and thank you. I am confident enough to let a woman open a door for Me. And even if I did feel annoyed about (not happening), I sure wouldn't tell her about it.

[NitroChrys_Butch]

Do you like being flirted with? Of course. It lets Me know she is into Me.
How much? I like My women classy.
How forward? If she decides that she needs to lace everything sexually or come on strong to get and keep My attention, she is wrong. Sometimes it is all in what she doesn't say that keeps My attention.
Do you prefer someone to go all out in their own way or do you prefer a girl that just is completely casual? I want her to be her. I don't want to wonder on a second date where that woman went. There was a reason I asked her on a date and if she feels like she has to "up her game" to keep Me interested, that never lasts for too long and then it jig is up. It also depends on the date. I will admit a first date might be a 4 star restaurant so I expect her to know how to behave there. OR it might be a picnic on the beach looking for sea glass. Bottom line: she should just be her. I wouldn't have asked her out if she was someone else.
Do you like to be asked out? I am confident enough to be flattered.
Do you like your arm being touched and leaning in or do you prefer to do all the work? I don't want to do all the "work" ... she should let Me know she is glad to be with Me. That calls for interaction and engaging Me in conversation and by her actions.
Do you like her to be agreeable or do you like her playful and sassy? Can I choose both?
How would she behave on a date that would pop your clogs? All depends on if I want My clogs popped. LOL. I have no idea what that means so I will need clarification.

[Gemme]

True. I don't think a couple has to stick to their so-called roles to be romantic with each other.

This butch also likes to pull out my chair when we're going to eat and that's very sweet, but I think it may get old after awhile. Sometimes a girl just wants to pull out her own chair and sit down...

Given the initial post about the holding of the door, it sounds like this butch may be old school. If so, that's a part of them and is likely not going to change. If you don't like it or can't deal with it, then you need to have that discussion with them.

[imperfect_cupcake]

"Popped your clogs" means really "did it" for you.
For example, what does it for me, is people being confident enough to make a fool of themselves a little to make me laugh. That *really* charms me... Like my exwife when we first met picking up one of the heels I kicked at her in the kitchen of a house party and shoving her face in it, sniffing and acting virile after sniffing it. I couldn't help but burst out laughing. Then she put them on and pranced about the place posing for people.
I totally was sold on spending the rest of the entire night talking to her till 8am. She didn't mind me buying her a beer, she teased me till I grabbed the hat off her head and beat her off her chair with it.

Another ex to make me cheer up when I was sad, was top naked, wrapped up in cling film (her body mod of scarification on her stomach was healing, she had got it done that morning), popped on her motor cycle helmet, got on a chair in front of her huge painting of the moon and yelled "I'm a space man!" "Floating in space!" "Whooooooah!" Etc till I started giggling because it was so stupid. I started falling for her at that point.

That's what "pops my clogs" - being able to make fun of yourself, being able to be confident enough to be an idiot clown to make me smile... That softens me. Makes me do the "D'awwwws"

Is that clearer? :)

Or it means to die. LOL
I've seen it used as "to die for" or "to die"

[TL1]

"Popped your clogs" means really "did it" for you.
For example, what does it for me, is people being confident enough to make a fool of themselves a little to make me laugh. That *really* charms me... Like my exwife when we first met picking up one of the heels I kicked at her in the kitchen of a house party and shoving her face in it, sniffing and acting virile after sniffing it. I couldn't help but burst out laughing. Then she put them on and pranced about the place posing for people.
I totally was sold on spending the rest of the entire night talking to her till 8am. She didn't mind me buying her a beer, she teased me till I grabbed the hat off her head and beat her off her chair with it.

Another ex to make me cheer up when I was sad, was top naked, wrapped up in cling film (her body mod of scarification on her stomach was healing, she had got it done that morning), popped on her motor cycle helmet, got on a chair in front of her huge painting of the moon and yelled "I'm a space man!" "Floating in space!" "Whooooooah!" Etc till I started giggling because it was so stupid. I started falling for her at that point.

That's what "pops my clogs" - being able to make fun of yourself, being able to be confident enough to be an idiot clown to make me smile... That softens me. Makes me do the "D'awwwws"

Is that clearer? :)

Or it means to die. LOL
I've seen it used as "to die for" or "to die"

Not my question I know but....

It is indeed clear to me now.

[Ascot]

Like the fascinating beast I am.

[Tuff Stuff]

There is another thing. Some guy was staring at us holding hands in a department store and the butch started to chuckle and stare him down. I mean, don't you think that's a dangerous thing to do? I don't feel like getting assaulted or worse because someone was staring at us.


If some guy stared at me & the wife like he wanted trouble..believe me,he found it.My stare is loooong and hard...actually,my wife is the dangerous one.

[homoe]

bumping this because I see so many femmes posting in theirs :cigar2:

[Chad]

I am old fashioned and like to pick my date up and take her home. I like it when we both dress up for each other. I will be a gentleman and I would like her to be a lady. Etiquette and manners are important to me so I hope she is polite and uses her manners. No cell phones except to take pictures of us, our food, and maybe show off pictures of her garden or grand kids. 😊

I love good conversation and would love it she enlightened me on her life, her hopes, and her goals. I will share mine too but don't want to hog the conversation.

I hope that she is pleased to spend time with me and shows it by being present in everyway.

So that is it be present, have manners, and enjoy good conversation. A big plus is a great sense of humor.

[homoe]

I am old fashioned and like to pick my date up and take her home. I like it when we both dress up for each other. I will be a gentleman and I would like her to be a lady. Etiquette and manners are important to me so I hope she is polite and uses her manners. No cell phones except to take pictures of us, our food, and maybe show off pictures of her garden or grand kids. 😊

I love good conversation and would love it she enlightened me on her life, her hopes, and her goals. I will share mine too but don't want to hog the conversation.

I hope that she is pleased to spend time with me and shows it by being present in everyway.

So that is it be present, have manners, and enjoy good conversation. A big plus is a great sense of humor.

Hell bro if you weren't a butch I'd date ya....:giggle:

[Chad]

Hell bro if you weren't a butch I'd date ya....:giggle:

Haha! Thanks.

[homoe]

I am old fashioned and like to pick my date up and take her home. I like it when we both dress up for each other. I will be a gentleman and I would like her to be a lady. Etiquette and manners are important to me so I hope she is polite and uses her manners. No cell phones except to take pictures of us, our food, and maybe show off pictures of her garden or grand kids. 😊

I love good conversation and would love it she enlightened me on her life, her hopes, and her goals. I will share mine too but don't want to hog the conversation.

I hope that she is pleased to spend time with me and shows it by being present in everyway.

So that is it be present, have manners, and enjoy good conversation. A big plus is a great sense of humor.

:goodpost: