Hannah Free, a butch-femme movie! [Archive]

bonne-maman

11-04-2009, 11:39 PM

I went to see Hannah Free this evening, it is an independent film with a storyline that spans the lives of a butch-femme couple. It is quite a lovely movie, and stars Sharon Gless (Chris Cagney!), as the butch. The movie is especially wonderful in that it explores aging and sexuality as well as the obvious lesbian issues. Has anyone else seen it? Thoughts?

Mel C.

11-04-2009, 11:55 PM

Sounds great..I will have to add it to my list

Arwen

11-05-2009, 09:32 AM

I went to see Hannah Free this evening, it is an independent film with a storyline that spans the lives of a butch-femme couple. It is quite a lovely movie, and stars Sharon Gless (Chris Cagney!), as the butch. The movie is especially wonderful in that it explores aging and sexuality as well as the obvious lesbian issues. Has anyone else seen it? Thoughts?

I haven't but I will look for it. Thanks for the heads up!

Edit: Well dang it. Looks like it came to Austin and I missed it. Hope they do it on DVD.

Queerasfck

11-05-2009, 10:20 AM

Thanks for the tip Bonn-e-jammers.

Mister Bent

11-05-2009, 04:30 PM

I went to see Hannah Free this evening, it is an independent film with a storyline that spans the lives of a butch-femme couple. It is quite a lovely movie, and stars Sharon Gless (Chris Cagney!), as the butch. The movie is especially wonderful in that it explores aging and sexuality as well as the obvious lesbian issues. Has anyone else seen it? Thoughts?

Bonne-o-rama, please to explain "obvious lesbian issues."

What are these issues?

Does this involve: Monograms? Fanny pack selection? Which one is "the man?"

Cyclopea

11-05-2009, 07:21 PM

Bonne-o-rama, please to explain "obvious lesbian issues."

What are these issues?

Does this involve: Monograms? Fanny pack selection? Which one is "the man?"

Hmmm, No, these sound more like the issues of a homophobe or lesbian-basher....:confused:

apretty

11-05-2009, 07:26 PM

Bonne-o-rama, please to explain "obvious lesbian issues."

What are these issues?

Does this involve: Monograms? Fanny pack selection? Which one is "the man?"

i prefer a wax seal or sceau. (it's the preferred choice when you're requesting the head of some unsavory character.)

evolveme

11-05-2009, 07:41 PM

I would just like it to be known that I am always the man.

Sometimes even, The Man.

Cyclopea

11-05-2009, 07:52 PM

I could never remember which one was Cagney and which was Lacy.
Guess I never watched that show much.....

Seriously though, I look forward to seeing this film- Lesbian film representations are few and far between...:(

bonne-maman

11-05-2009, 08:46 PM

Bonne-o-rama, please to explain "obvious lesbian issues."

What are these issues?

Does this involve: Monograms? Fanny pack selection? Which one is "the man?"

Oh, ya know, Mr. Bender, marginalization, invisibility, not allowing lifetime lovers to visit each other right before one of them kicks the bucket. Also included, what happens when your lover marries a man and expects things not to change between you and her, what happens when you abandon her because she married the man and she does, really, feel abandoned, as do her children. And, the little things, like having the courage to kiss in the yard while raking leaves.

bonne-maman

11-05-2009, 08:47 PM

I haven't but I will look for it. Thanks for the heads up!

Edit: Well dang it. Looks like it came to Austin and I missed it. Hope they do it on DVD.

It will be on DVD, and we should buy it as that is going to be the primary way they pay back their investors.....

lesbian movies only get made if someone has a bake sale.....

Mister Bent

11-05-2009, 09:05 PM

Oh, ya know, Mr. Bender, marginalization, invisibility, not allowing lifetime lovers to visit each other right before one of them kicks the bucket. Also included, what happens when your lover marries a man and expects things not to change between you and her, what happens when you abandon her because she married the man and she does, really, feel abandoned, as do her children. And, the little things, like having the courage to kiss in the yard while raking leaves.

I made fun, but I really did want to know what you meant (which I think YOU know). Some of those are more than just lesbian issues, they are universal to the queer experience - marginalization, lack of (external) respect for the relationship and kissing while raking leaves. Kissing while having a bake sale is another, of course. Very cutting edge!

(Also, e isn't really the man, but sometimes she is The Man).

bonne-maman

11-05-2009, 09:17 PM

I made fun, but I really did want to know what you meant (which I think YOU know). Some of those are more than just lesbian issues, they are universal to the queer experience - marginalization, lack of (external) respect for the relationship and kissing while raking leaves. Kissing while having a bake sale is another, of course. Very cutting edge!

(Also, e isn't really the man, but sometimes she is The Man).

Of course I knew that you were joshing, Mr. Eureka Tent. :) Yes those things are universal to being queer. Can I think of anything completely specific to being lesbian in the movie????? thinking cap, thinking cap. Well, maybe not in these "modern" times (now I am sounding old), but the part about children being brought along for the ride as lesbian relationships rode the waves of heterosexual marriage interruptions has been primarily a lesbian phenomenon, as opposed to a broader queer experience. Women have historically had custody of kids as het marriages broke apart, though I KNOW that is changing. This movie was set in the 1990's, and the two lovers were very aged in the "current" scenes of the movie. Their "young" scenes went back to their childhoods and young adulthoods, and middle-agedhoods.

e da man. yes e is.

And speaking of kissing, I was dutiful and did a bit of it while at the movie. There were no leaves to rake, I had to make do.

Arwen

11-05-2009, 11:15 PM

It will be on DVD, and we should buy it as that is going to be the primary way they pay back their investors.....

lesbian movies only get made if someone has a bake sale.....

Sometimes, I'd rather just have the bake sale...thinking back to "Claire of the Moon"--shudder.

Cyclopea

11-05-2009, 11:42 PM

Sometimes, I'd rather just have the bake sale...thinking back to "Claire of the Moon"--shudder.

Oh dear god. I actually dragged my ass into the theatre to see that one. We wanted to cover our faces as we left.
"Claire of the Moon" is the "Patch Adams", "Ishtar", "Showgirls" of Lesbian cinema.
I'm still cringing.
But someday they will watch it at midnight showings and dress up and throw toast at the screen.
OK maybe not. If it had been a musical perhaps...
:eek:

Arwen

11-05-2009, 11:50 PM

Oh dear god. I actually dragged my ass into the theatre to see that one. We wanted to cover our faces as we left.
"Claire of the Moon" is the "Patch Adams", "Ishtar", "Showgirls" of Lesbian cinema.
I'm still cringing.
But someday they will watch it at midnight showings and dress up and throw toast at the screen.
OK maybe not. If it had been a musical perhaps...
:eek:

I remember it clearly. I was in Lansing, MI. A HUGE group of us went. As we left, one of us stood in the aisle intently watching the credits.

We, not wanting to disturb her, asked her partner, "What's Max doing?"

Her partner rolled her eyes. "She's waiting for one redeeming quality."

We actually thought that we should picket the theater to prevent people from wasting their time and money.

Cyclopea

11-05-2009, 11:53 PM

I remember it clearly. I was in Lansing, MI. A HUGE group of us went. As we left, one of us stood in the aisle intently watching the credits.

We, not wanting to disturb her, asked her partner, "What's Max doing?"

Her partner rolled her eyes. "She's waiting for one redeeming quality."

We actually thought that we should picket the theater to prevent people from wasting their time and money.

Hahahaha That is hilarious!
God bless us all though for trying. Always looking for some good lez cinema.
*sigh*

Rook

02-14-2010, 09:51 PM

Bumpety Bump:sunglass:

Outlaw

02-14-2010, 10:26 PM

Always looking for some good lez cinema.
*sigh*

Ah, yes...that was Welcome Home, Roxy Carmichael, complete with " lesbian-issue sub-plot (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100911/) "

Toughy

02-14-2010, 10:58 PM

I dunno................I think Salmonberries with KD Lang runs a close second or even beats Claire.....

musicman

02-15-2010, 05:07 AM

I was hoping to find Hannah Free on the met somewhere. we wouldn't get it here in my town. I saw the trailer for it and it looks fantastic.

Eventually someone will get it up on youtube .

Musicman

Gemme

02-15-2010, 10:16 PM

What was wrong with "Patch Adams"? The others I get. Just curious.

Random

02-15-2010, 10:40 PM

I dunno................I think Salmonberries with KD Lang runs a close second or even beats Claire.....

Oh gads.. you had to dredge that piece of work up.....

Even as a young barely out of the closet, didn't know a single gay woman, living vicarously through melissa etherage vidios, I couldn't work up an emotion other that.. oh.. pretty landscape...

damn.. it... I now have that tune in my head...

Go eat your popcorn....

Toughy

02-15-2010, 11:25 PM

Oh gads.. you had to dredge that piece of work up.....

Even as a young barely out of the closet, didn't know a single gay woman, living vicarously through melissa etherage vidios, I couldn't work up an emotion other that.. oh.. pretty landscape...

damn.. it... I now have that tune in my head...

Go eat your popcorn....

yes Ma'am...........laughing....

*munch munch*

would you like some??
:toypony:

Random

02-16-2010, 08:51 AM

yes Ma'am...........laughing....

*munch munch*

would you like some??
:toypony:

Lol..

sure.... mmmmm extra buttery....

christie

07-25-2010, 11:03 AM

I managed to pick up the DVD on Ebay. We just finished watching it and I thought it was very well done - characters you could relate to - and of course, it made me cry.

If you haven't seen it, I think its worth it!

Converse

07-26-2010, 01:43 PM

I really enjoyed the movie. I have a pretty extensive “women with women” video/dvd collection- which I started years ago when any movie with even the hint of something that could be seen as queer and female was jumped on. As like many of us I’m sure, I was desperate to find some kind of representation on the big screen. After many years of always looking for some kind of hidden meaning in the classics, the Hollywood lesbian movies started to appear.

Of course I grabbed those with equal enthusiasm; however, there was almost something even more alienating about them then any of the other mainstream movies. These lesbians, if they didn’t “lapse” back to their str8 ways, or were focused on having to “choose” because of their bisexuality, then they always ended up being attracted to their mirror image; every movie seemed like a scene from a girl’s dorm- with any sexual activity being as exciting as a pillow fight. There comes a point when the Lword, used as the tool for gaining visibility, does more harm than good.

There are very, very few well made films that are true to the Butch-Femme dynamic- in my opinion Hannah Free is one of them. The sexual dynamic, where the lust continues throughout their entire relationship and the “can’t keep my hands off of you” attraction was so well done- and as bonne-maman said, so many other familiar issues. Its not a movie with an extraordinary storyline, the “extraordiness” for me, came from finding representation- I nodded a lot.

christie- my girl cried too. :|Still not sure why exactly- but she said she liked it anyway.

Strappie

07-26-2010, 02:35 PM

Oh I know.... I'm going to get ripped on for this...

Whatever happened to people supporting something even though it's not perfect? Here is a movie that clearly is getting recognition but yet our own community can't support the fact they at least they are trying to get a message across and show that we are REAL PEOPLE in the world.

Instead of making light hearted jokes, how about we instead maybe thank them for getting the message out there? I don't know it's an idea.

Let the ripping begin!!

Strappie

07-26-2010, 02:38 PM

I really enjoyed the movie. I have a pretty extensive “women with women” video/dvd collection- which I started years ago when any movie with even the hint of something that could be seen as queer and female was jumped on. As like many of us I’m sure, I was desperate to find some kind of representation on the big screen. After many years of always looking for some kind of hidden meaning in the classics, the Hollywood lesbian movies started to appear.

Of course I grabbed those with equal enthusiasm; however, there was almost something even more alienating about them then any of the other mainstream movies. These lesbians, if they didn’t “lapse” back to their str8 ways, or were focused on having to “choose” because of their bisexuality, then they always ended up being attracted to their mirror image; every movie seemed like a scene from a girl’s dorm- with any sexual activity being as exciting as a pillow fight. There comes a point when the Lword, used as the tool for gaining visibility, does more harm than good.

There are very, very few well made films that are true to the Butch-Femme dynamic- in my opinion Hannah Free is one of them. The sexual dynamic, where the lust continues throughout their entire relationship and the “can’t keep my hands off of you” attraction was so well done- and as bonne-maman said, so many other familiar issues. Its not a movie with an extraordinary storyline, the “extraordiness” for me, came from finding representation- I nodded a lot.

christie- my girl cried too. :|Still not sure why exactly- but she said she liked it anyway.

Converse you still continue to get me to perv your writing!

Ebon

07-26-2010, 02:41 PM

Bonne-o-rama, please to explain "obvious lesbian issues."

What are these issues?

Does this involve: Monograms? Fanny pack selection? Which one is "the man?"

Probably involves which Uhaul place to rent from or who wears which pair of Birkenstocks.

dreadgeek

07-26-2010, 03:09 PM

Oh dear god. I actually dragged my ass into the theatre to see that one. We wanted to cover our faces as we left.
"Claire of the Moon" is the "Patch Adams", "Ishtar", "Showgirls" of Lesbian cinema.
I'm still cringing.
But someday they will watch it at midnight showings and dress up and throw toast at the screen.
OK maybe not. If it had been a musical perhaps...
:eek:

Sweet Jesus, Claire of the Moon was painful. I had more or less recovered from the trauma of seeing it...until today.

dreadgeek

07-26-2010, 03:13 PM

Oh I know.... I'm going to get ripped on for this...

Whatever happened to people supporting something even though it's not perfect? Here is a movie that clearly is getting recognition but yet our own community can't support the fact they at least they are trying to get a message across and show that we are REAL PEOPLE in the world.

Instead of making light hearted jokes, how about we instead maybe thank them for getting the message out there? I don't know it's an idea.

Let the ripping begin!!

But the ritualistic eating of our own is such a time-honored tradition. Plus a certain level of critique is justified if for no other reason than that it will prevent another Claire of the Moon--or at least we could hope. If only someone had gone to the writer, director or producer of that movie and said, "Ummm, there's this thing called a plot. You might try creating one that way people will know that something boring is going to happen and that will build some kind of suspense."

:)

imperfect_cupcake

07-26-2010, 04:57 PM

I'm presently downloading it off graboid. you can get a free trial of graboid of 30MB. so, if you can't get a hold of it, you can down load it for free.

morningstar55

07-26-2010, 05:35 PM

Sometimes, I'd rather just have the bake sale...thinking back to "Claire of the Moon"--shudder.

it is on DVD........

http://www.hannahfree.com/

Strappie

07-26-2010, 06:14 PM

Probably involves which Uhaul place to rent from or who wears which pair of Birkenstocks.

I rest my case!!

dark_crystal

07-26-2010, 07:49 PM

"Claire of the Moon" is the "Patch Adams", "Ishtar", "Showgirls" of Lesbian cinema.
I'm still cringing.
But someday they will watch it at midnight showings and dress up and throw toast at the screen.
OK maybe not. If it had been a musical perhaps...

i LOVE Showgirls. Especially when they show it on Vh-1's Movies That Rock. They cg in these little bikini tops for the dance numbers

ok i find the cg bikini tops laughable but i really do like the movie. i love Paul Verhoeven.

Corkey

07-26-2010, 08:28 PM

I like movies with a plot, actually I love to see movies that move me that have a plot I can identify with. I will not spend my money on a plotless movie, I don't care if it was made by Cecil B. D'Mille.
But I applaud the film makers for at least trying.

christie

07-26-2010, 08:34 PM

Strappie -

I'm not gonna rip you. I think you are exactly correct. Its not a perfectly done movie, but the characters were real - the kind I think most folks can relate to and to me, that was what touched me.

Converse - I cried because I could relate to the position that Hannah was in - the reality of blood family being able to keep Jess away from me in that situation. The reality that no matter how much our relationship might be *tolerated* it is STILL not recognized with the same legal rights as marriage.

Perhaps it hit too close to home having been in an accident last week and instead of Jess being able to focus on getting self and our son on the road for the 4 hour trip to get to me in the ER, Jess had to ensure that the POA's and Durable POA for Healthcare and Living Will documents were in order in the event I was unable to give permission for Jess to be involved in my care. It.just.sucks.

All that aside, I think that Hannah Free was a very realistic view of the BF dynamic. I may have to watch it again!

Ebon

07-27-2010, 12:45 AM

I rest my case!!

The defense rests also.

Dylan

07-27-2010, 01:28 AM

Desert Hearts

Another Claire,
Dylan

And then there was some movie with Muriel Hemingway. She was a runner...who (wait for it. wait for it. wait for it) ends up with the man ('cuz you know, if one of the lesbians in the couple doesn't die at the end, they <naturally> end up with the man)

I think I just officially dated myself

Toughy

07-27-2010, 06:17 AM

That was Personal Best. And of course the more feminine (Muriel Hemmingway) one would go back to men and the butch looking one was evil...........laughin....

imperfect_cupcake

07-27-2010, 08:31 AM

desert hearts and Clair of the moon sucked.

This one really isn't as bad as all that. It actually covers some important same-sex topics for people who can't get married and spanning down to great grandchildren.

Sharon Gless acted well in it. the only difficulty I had was the dialogue on occation - but when I remembered it was adapted from a play, and that's why it was constructed in that way, I got over it quickly. Things can seem a bit more... theatrical... when made into a movie if the dialogue isn't adapted to the screen.

I instead thought of it like I was watching a filmed play. Then everything wasn't quite as... blockish. Theater and TV/Film are very different beasts.

But it is very far from being insipid and/or teenage.

Inki gave all thumbs forward for the portrayal of a butch by Sharon Gless.

I've seen better dyke films, but this is far from bad.

AtLast

07-27-2010, 08:46 AM

Desert Hearts

Another Claire,
Dylan

And then there was some movie with Muriel Hemingway. She was a runner...who (wait for it. wait for it. wait for it) ends up with the man ('cuz you know, if one of the lesbians in the couple doesn't die at the end, they <naturally> end up with the man)

I think I just officially dated myself

She also held his penis for him while he peed.... guess that was some intrepretation of post-lesbian intimacy... yanno, after the good fuck... it was all a phaze, anyway...
UGH!!!

What is so frustrating is that there are some very good indie films that don't get out there. Love Frameline Film Festival time here!

If these Walls Could Talk 2 (2000) - The segment on Linda during the 70's falling in love with a butch was well done in taking a look at what some of us right here did experience via separatist lesbian feminists. Linda faces her honest attraction to butch women and the segment was from a sensitive perspective. Also, it was one of three different lesbian experiences that were presented showing we are just not all the same!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206036/plotsummary

Rook

07-27-2010, 09:07 AM

I agree with some Postings here..
During my time of trying to Grasp for some representation on Film .....or tv...
I pretty much pounced anything that resembled Queer or had a even a subtle theme...
2 of my first "lesbian-centric" Films were of course{get ready to cringe}
Go,Fish
&
Bar Girls..
Why I didn't stop and run off screaming mid-film is because of what Strappin says...Gotta give 'em a chance...

Go Fish, I'll admit to eventually liking...It grows on ya, well..ok..It grew on ME..
The only down on it was when Max asked Eli if she embraced the "patriarchic Mimic of butch-femme", I did boo that...but then I forgave it {it's So hard to find a movie with 2 baby butches falling in love, -smirk-}

Bar Girls only reminded me Constantly of the Intricate web of bullshit "Dyke Drama" can produce.....

Redeeming movie for me was
The Incredibly True Adventure of Two Girls in Love
I realized I had a serious weakness for a specific type in this film...
corny dialogue but I did run through memory lane in my own "puppy love" dept.

Mind u, for Serious....and I do mean serious "Cheese"..
U should watch
"But I'm a Cheerleader"

I honestly believe in the the following
"If you think u can do better, please do"
All these people tried their best with what little resources they had available on a shoestring budget...

I yearn for exquisitely performed {and happy ending} lesbian , and/or Butch-Femme {maybe butch-butch also} Films, but..until then...
~waddles off with "Better than Chocolate"~
soo, yeah, I'm gonna hunt down Hanna now...

And I Loooooved If These Walls could Talk 2

:hamactor: :blink: :glasses:

dreadgeek

07-27-2010, 09:51 AM

Desert Hearts

Another Claire,
Dylan

And then there was some movie with Muriel Hemingway. She was a runner...who (wait for it. wait for it. wait for it) ends up with the man ('cuz you know, if one of the lesbians in the couple doesn't die at the end, they <naturally> end up with the man)

I think I just officially dated myself

Yeah, I remember that one. Okay, so does anyone remember "Late Bloomers" which was this little celluloid confection from, I think, the late 80s/early 90s about a gym teacher and the school secretary?

Soon

07-27-2010, 09:52 AM

Yeah, I remember that one. Okay, so does anyone remember "Late Bloomers" which was this little celluloid confection from, I think, the late 80s/early 90s about a gym teacher and the school secretary?

yep! i remember it :)

they got married in the end!

Ebon

07-27-2010, 10:52 AM

I agree with some Postings here..
During my time of trying to Grasp for some representation on Film .....or tv...
I pretty much pounced anything that resembled Queer or had a even a subtle theme...
2 of my first "lesbian-centric" Films were of course{get ready to cringe}
Go,Fish
&
Bar Girls..
Why I didn't stop and run off screaming mid-film is because of what Strappin says...Gotta give 'em a chance...

Go Fish, I'll admit to eventually liking...It grows on ya, well..ok..It grew on ME..
The only down on it was when Max asked Eli if she embraced the "patriarchic Mimic of butch-femme", I did boo that...but then I forgave it {it's So hard to find a movie with 2 baby butches falling in love, -smirk-}

Bar Girls only reminded me Constantly of the Intricate web of bullshit "Dyke Drama" can produce.....

Redeeming movie for me was
The Incredibly True Adventure of Two Girls in Love
I realized I had a serious weakness for a specific type in this film...
corny dialogue but I did run through memory lane in my own "puppy love" dept.

Mind u, for Serious....and I do mean serious "Cheese"..
U should watch
"But I'm a Cheerleader"

I honestly believe in the the following
"If you think u can do better, please do"
All these people tried their best with what little resources they had available on a shoestring budget...

I yearn for exquisitely performed {and happy ending} lesbian , and/or Butch-Femme {maybe butch-butch also} Films, but..until then...
~waddles off with "Better than Chocolate"~
soo, yeah, I'm gonna hunt down Hanna now...

And I Loooooved If These Walls could Talk 2

:hamactor: :blink: :glasses:

Those were all of the ones I was going to say exactly! I also liked Bound. I watched that one over and over until my eyes burned. Relax It's Just Sex I thought awesome and my own personal favorite is Tipping The Velvet, the novel and the movie.

Dylan

07-27-2010, 12:55 PM

Does anyone remember some movie about two women who work together as housekeepers (for wealthy families) in old timey England, and they tell people that they're sisters?

Dylan

I think it might be called 'Sister My Sister' or something like that

Converse

07-27-2010, 01:06 PM

Converse you still continue to get me to perv your writing!
If Id known you were looking- I would have done something with my hair
:spruceup:

Converse

07-27-2010, 01:24 PM

Those were all of the ones I was going to say exactly! I also liked Bound. I watched that one over and over until my eyes burned. Relax It's Just Sex I thought awesome and my own personal favorite is Tipping The Velvet, the novel and the movie.

Oh yes Bound!I named my sleek dark 1962 valiant Violet after the Tilly character in that movie.:o

One of my personal favorites- Portrait of a Marriage. The story of Vita Sackville-West and Violet Keppel, with a little of Virginia Woolfe. Not a social commentary, and very little I could relate to on a personal level, but it plays into my love of history- and some brilliant acting.

imperfect_cupcake

07-27-2010, 01:50 PM

Does anyone remember some movie about two women who work together as housekeepers (for wealthy families) in old timey England, and they tell people that they're sisters?

Dylan

I think it might be called 'Sister My Sister' or something like that

the English are dirty, aren't they.

Rook

07-27-2010, 04:27 PM

An ex bought Me "Tipping the Velvet" for my birthday..
It's still unopened...Somewhere ~peeks around~
Another good one , and very funny too...
Skip it if you don't like foreign films
French Twist

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113149/

I have to warn you though...
Despite the fact that it's a Perfect "butch/femme" Chemistry, the femme{Loli} is married to a biological Man, with kids..She knows of her husbands infidelities but has no proof, yet, a plumber, or drifter Butch who helps with the plumbing {I think} sweeps her off her feet...
The hubby gets a rude awakening, and is royally pissed off for most of the movie..
He's no saint, she finds out, and uses it to her advantage...
The Butch{marijoe} moves in, a very ...fucked up Polyamorous relationship results, and even the butch/femme relationship hits a few jealous snags....
But, umm....
If u bypass the "final" agreement hubby and butch lover reach, u might like the Ending....

It's French/Spanish, with english subtitles...

Another is "Antonia's Line"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112379/
There's a small lesbian subplot there...

Also
Belle Epoque
Penelope Cruz plays one of the Daughters, sadly not the lesbian one,
The pseudo lesbian one {Violeta} is mostly because her fucked up mother literally raises her as a Boy, because she wanted a Son, right then and there, to dress him up all handsome & shit...
Which kind of explains why she got so fucking pissed off when the guy asked her father for her hand in marriage after they fucked all night{she was in full military regalia, he was a french maid}....
The father laments "How can u possibly marry a man?"

so, yeah, there's those too, that were ok....

I enjoyed Bound, mostly for Jennifer Tilly {HAWT !!!!!!!} Gina Gershon seemed to portray a rather wimpy Butch *when I first saw it I was full of piss n vinegar and I'd grouch "Oh for crissake, u get knocked out cold with ONE punch???....dumbass", I blamed the wachowski brothers for dumbing down corky*.....
I did love it though, I didnt wanna run out and get a Labrys tattoo tho

Darth Denkay

07-28-2010, 04:27 PM

Does anyone remember some movie about two women who work together as housekeepers (for wealthy families) in old timey England, and they tell people that they're sisters?

Dylan

I think it might be called 'Sister My Sister' or something like that

The killing of sister George?

So I'll go ahead and toss out my minority opinion.

Claire of the Moon - no, it wasn't a great movie. But when I saw it, that was the first time I had ever seen a lesbian in a movie. Ever. I was coming out and that movie was a positive piece of that.

It took guts to put that movie out there, and no, not because it wasn't a great movie. But at the time, no one else was, so I think it was really brave to go out on a limb like that. Think about all the people involved in the movie, both in front of the camera and behind it. For those pursuing careers in entertainment they were putting their careers on the line.

"oh, well, you're perfect for the part but you were in that dyke movie so you're not what we're looking for."

Around the same time other movies came out.

Desert Heart
Personal Best
Bar Girls
Go Fish
Two girls in love
Better Than Chocolate
When Night is Falling

and others.

Frankly, none of these were great movies. In fact, I think Go Fish sucked, and so did Bar Girls. IMO Claire was much better than those.

It's easy to sit here and throw dung at these movies, but regardless of whether they were great movies they were putting us out there, little by little, and they were there for folks coming out to see at least a tiny little glimpse of ourselves.

Of all the movies we've talked about, Two girls in love was probably my favorite, and that was likely because, although it was never made explicit, there was one pretty definite butch-femme couple - the ones raising Randy.

I mean, really. Today we're represented by the L Word? Which yeah, I watched, but it certainly had absolutely nothing to do with me. Today the market is much more open for queer films. In 1992, when Claire came out, that was anything but true.

And now, back to the topic of the thread, I haven't seen Hannah Free, but I'm going to get my hands on a copy. I'll let you know what I think.

imperfect_cupcake

07-28-2010, 04:42 PM

I quite liked Go Fish as it seemed to actually represent the many of the dykes I knew at the time and I liked some of the issues they talked about.

Night is falling I quite liked cause I had previously only seen Claire of the Moon and Desert hearts and I thought "omg, and actual lesbian film that doesn't utterly suck!"

I dont' personally care if the characters are butch-femme. I used to. I don't anymore now that I actually feel part of the dyke community where I live.

And No, Killing of sister George is a classic. better than all the above mentioned, in my op. especially the sex scene. you don't see anything but it's *hot* in a pervy way.

It takes place in the 60's and is set in "Media" and "film".

I always get slightly horny when I think about that sex scene...

Toughy

07-28-2010, 09:03 PM

Anybody know this Shirley MacLaine, Audrey Hepburn, James Garner movie The Children's Hour (aka The Loudest Whisper)?

This film adaptation of Lillian Hellman's play is the story of two teachers (Audrey Hepburn and Shirley MacLaine) who are accused of being lesbians. The film received five Academy Award nominations, including Best Supporting Actress (Fay Bainter).

I saw it on TCM (I think) a couple of weeks ago.........an excellent film.

imperfect_cupcake

07-28-2010, 09:43 PM

Yes that one was great. Also along those lines is Notes on a Scandal with Dame Judi Dench.

it sucks that in both the dyke is either driven to madness or just plane bonkers due to repressed feelings.

but they rocked as suspense films.

Toughy

07-28-2010, 10:38 PM

I had forgotten about Notes on a Scandal. I love Dame Judi Dench........I will watch any film with her in it.

It's always interesting to see how Hollywood (and all the arts) has dealt with lesbians of all varieties over the years.........such a mixed bag and such a wink and nod about who they all fucked....

was it Garbo or Dietrich in that pimp hat and suit?.......always made me weak in the knees..........laughin..

Soon

07-29-2010, 07:25 AM

I'm not sure how many of you saw this Canadian one, Lost and Delirious (2001); two girls in a private boarding school become lovers.

Well, once found out, one *goes straight* -- the other, becomes more masculine (i read that in the book, The Wives of Bath, that she is more likely trans than lesbian, but i haven't read it), becomes friends with a falcon, goes nuts and jumps off a school building. I was like what? My gf at the time was like, most of them (dyke movies) end in like this in one way or another.

It was one of the first movies I saw in my first same sex relationship--VERY early days--and I do remember feeling a *whoosh* when I saw the two dancing with one in a suit, the other a dress. I had NO idea what that was about b/c my gf was not butch-id'd...she just um was more on the masculine side of the spectrum, and I hadn't figured out or analysed or knew a name existed for such attraction.

Here's a montage someone made of it:

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Strappie

08-02-2010, 09:08 PM

If Id known you were looking- I would have done something with my hair
:spruceup:

I seen in the gallery you did... *wink* lol

Jess

08-03-2010, 04:34 AM

a few more..

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imperfect_cupcake

08-03-2010, 05:42 AM

I loved amiee and jaguar.

and I thought Jaguar was hawt. I'd date her. among other things.

betenoire

08-03-2010, 07:29 AM

I personally think that But I'm A Cheerleader is the best movie featuring Queers EVER.

MsTinkerbelly

08-03-2010, 08:06 AM

I haven't had a chance to read this whole thread, so if I'm repeating someone else I am sorry (f)

I saw this new movie with Annette Benning and Julianne Moore this past weekend...a really good movie about a Lesbian couple and their children.

Annette was a "butch type" character in dress and such, but there was zero butch energy from her and it was a bit distracting. I really think they should have found a butch actor for the role. It was however the best movie I have seen in a long time, but leave the kids at home; a lot of Adult only content.

If you get a chance to see it, it is worth the $11.00.

Jess

08-03-2010, 09:37 AM

Cyclopea

08-05-2010, 09:40 PM

betenoire

08-05-2010, 10:02 PM

Rook

08-08-2010, 08:14 PM

See that's what I'm talkin' about..
I agree
It can be corny, cheesy, Crude..Tasteless, Awesome....
Before being Queer became Chic and popular {some do the Gay-For-Pay happily nnw}...
I'd grab whatever came by that had any representation of my community...
be it gay..
be it butch/femme or butch/butch , or femme/femme...
Nowadays? most youth have More than enuff to be picky and critical.....
I watched Ellen's sitcom at first cuz it was funny, when the rumors started flying, I was glued....
When it was said she was going to come out in sitcom, I spent $$$ to get cable....
I lived in the bumfuck region in Puerto Rico, and cable guys HATE goin to those areas.....
I saw "puppy love" happily..hell I had a small lil get together with close friends, just for it..
I loved the "Warm-up" episodes...

So...yeah....same with Frasier {Niles Crane with tons of Innuendo....david hyde pierce was fiercely private, came out recently only to support california}
Also will & grace {my gaydar did go off, but i shrugged it off 'just cuz he plays Jack perfectly well, doesnt mean he is...is he?}

curve magazine had a blast promoting 'Itty Bitty', Danielle's cute though...
Wasn't too crazy for Max in L word..meh...

When I was a kid, 'The Hunger' was my first introduction to lesbian sex {besides my fathers dumb porno rags}, Annie Lennox + David Bowie triggered My taste in certain Masculine clothing {and a few Fetishes-cough-}

Nowadays, u got the pick of the Crop {no pun}, and can pick apart to your hearts content....
U can happily say "hmm, good...but not Butch enough.....that other butch was better"{likewise for Femme}
Hell u can giggle about very..Clipped sex scenes...

DapperButch

08-08-2010, 08:48 PM

I haven't had a chance to read this whole thread, so if I'm repeating someone else I am sorry (f)

I saw this new movie with Annette Benning and Julianne Moore this past weekend...a really good movie about a Lesbian couple and their children.

Annette was a "butch type" character in dress and such, but there was zero butch energy from her and it was a bit distracting. I really think they should have found a butch actor for the role. It was however the best movie I have seen in a long time, but leave the kids at home; a lot of Adult only content.

If you get a chance to see it, it is worth the $11.00.

The trailer looked pretty good, but I saw one of the women kiss the "sperm donor". This isn't one of those movies where she figures out that she is straight or something, is it?

Movie looks very funny, but I don't want to support a movie which includes the tired, old theme of, "well, she just needed the right man". I don't think this is the deal, but I just want to make sure before I head off to the theater.

If it is pro-homo, then I am IN !

Converse

08-09-2010, 02:33 PM

betenoire

08-09-2010, 03:32 PM

SuperFemme

08-09-2010, 03:33 PM

Am I the only person who is disgusted that whoever made that video included fucking Hilary Swank playing Brandon Teena?

nope. :seeingstars:

NJFemmie

08-09-2010, 03:39 PM

Bonne-o-rama, please to explain "obvious lesbian issues."

What are these issues?

Does this involve: Monograms? Fanny pack selection? Which one is "the man?"

You know, I totally resent this comment. I ditched the fanny pack way back in the 80's.

Jess

08-09-2010, 05:23 PM

You know, I totally resent this comment. I ditched the fanny pack way back in the 80's.

went into a thrift store not too long ago and there was an entire aisle of fanny packs... hmmm....I couldn't find one damned pair of birkenstocks though.. drats!

Sachita

08-09-2010, 05:52 PM

went into a thrift store not too long ago and there was an entire aisle of fanny packs... hmmm....I couldn't find one damned pair of birkenstocks though.. drats!

what size are you? i have a pair shoved in the closet. lol seriously barely worn too. might even throw in a fanny pack

christie

08-09-2010, 07:15 PM

what size are you? i have a pair shoved in the closet. lol seriously barely worn too. might even throw in a fanny pack

Don't.you.dare.

I know where you live!

Sachita

08-09-2010, 07:37 PM

Don't.you.dare.

I know where you live!

lol ok :hangloose:

homoe

06-30-2018, 04:20 AM

I went to see Hannah Free this evening, it is an independent film with a storyline that spans the lives of a butch-femme couple. It is quite a lovely movie, and stars Sharon Gless (Chris Cagney!), as the butch. The movie is especially wonderful in that it explores aging and sexuality as well as the obvious lesbian issues. Has anyone else seen it? Thoughts?

Not familiar with this one, but I plan on checking it out soon...:movieguy:

homoe

06-30-2018, 04:23 AM

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Although I'm a huge fan of Olympia Dukakis & Brenda Fricker I did not care for this movie...

Esme nha Maire

06-30-2018, 05:18 AM

Not familiar with this one, but I plan on checking it out soon...:movieguy:

It's OK, but I preferred Cloudburst! Hannah Free seemed a tad cliched to me.

homoe

07-08-2018, 07:54 PM

The Fox (1967) Sandy Dennis, Anne Heywood

Although the film's publicity would indicate otherwise, the two women are not necessarily presented as homosexual.

Based on D.H. Lawrence's novella about two young women - sickly, chattering Jill Banford and quiet, strong Ellen March - who are trying, hopelessly, to run a chicken farm in Canada. A gentle but powerful man named Paul Renfield who used to live on their farm returns and puts things in order. But his proposal of marriage to Ellen awakens the homosexuality dormant in the girls: Jill uses her weakness to make Ellen feel protective, and the women become active lovers.

homoe

08-30-2018, 01:08 PM

Vivere (2007)

On Christmas Eve, Francesca sets out for Rotterdam in order to find her little sister, who has run off with her musician boyfriend. On the way, she picks up Gerlinde, a heartbroken older woman at the end of her rope.

homoe

08-30-2018, 01:32 PM

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Gigola...........2010

Set in the risque world of 1960's Paris, Gigola is a witty and desirable young girl who explores the lesbian underworld of the city and soon becomes a high-priced escort.

homoe

12-28-2018, 06:14 PM

I went to see Hannah Free this evening, it is an independent film with a storyline that spans the lives of a butch-femme couple. It is quite a lovely movie, and stars Sharon Gless (Chris Cagney!), as the butch. The movie is especially wonderful in that it explores aging and sexuality as well as the obvious lesbian issues. Has anyone else seen it? Thoughts?

I have never seen this! I'll try and find it soon.........:popcorn:

ProfPacker

12-29-2018, 12:16 AM

Loved Hannah Free

clementinefemme

05-06-2020, 06:07 PM

I watched Hannah Free last week due to this post and bawled my eyes out. It's SO good!!!

Everyone stop what you're doing and watch it right now!!

clementinefemme

05-06-2020, 06:08 PM

I forgot to mention it's on YouTube!