Yes, those images will and I am glad that military generals are speaking up about this. No joke about your son and all of the daughters and sons in Afghanistan.

Today while listening to the radio while out, I heard this minister just shine this whole thing on, saying that if more lives were lost, it was not our fault (his congegation planning on doing this), it is Islam's fault. I wanted to climb through the radio waves and smack him. I have a couple of good friends with kids serving in Afghanistan. The thought of them risking their lives for the likes of this minister boils my blood. One of the things our military is trying to accomplish there has to do with changing the way the US is viewed by Muslims. Many are trying to gain trust with a people that have had nothing but war and other countries occuping their country in their country for decades.

I had to just turn the radio off after hearing this- it was in response to Gen. Peteraus (sp?) speaking out about the danger this could escalate for troops. You know, I am actually starting to have physiological responses about this each and every time I hear about the buring, the community center and the coutless bites about anti-Muslim sentiments. My stomach does wrench. I think about my friends (and you, plus other members that have kids/loved ones serving) and think about what it would be like if my kid were there and this was going on. My oldest grand daughter will be 18 soon and what if she decides on a military career? It could happen.

My best to your son, Aj- and I hope these idiots don't do this.

Piggy Back off AJ's post
 

On Hardball:
 

Although, I am usually on the left side of these discussions and honestly view this entire story/issue as just one cog on the wheel of an ever increasing anti-Muslim ladder in the US - I get what you are saying, here.

So often, one statement from a poster is jumped all over when, everyone, has put a foot in their mouth at one time or another. It happens. And since we do not have a 3 dimensional way of "hearing" each other, I find pile ons (not saying that is happening presently) to be very unfair. And a tool for hindering communication because once put on the defensive, most people will dig further into their stance and not consider opposing convictions.

One of the things that I value the most on the site is seeing what other people think about issues, etc. I don't always agree, but, there have been many times that my own thinking has been enriched by someone else's take on things.

Thank Goodness!!!!
 

so apparently he is saying that he is not going to burn them cuz some Islamic Leader told him that the "mosque" near Ground Zero will be moved elsewhere.

Which is false information, the man who made the statement has nothing to do with the Islamic Center in NY.

so the guy is going to NY on Saturday to meet with....?


beejeezus some people have things so convoluted i don't even know what to think or say.

Obama Sends Best Wishes to Muslims for Eid-al-Fitr

Mr. Obama said this year's Eid is also an occasion to reflect on the importance of religious tolerance.

President Obama said that this year, those affected by the devastated floods in Pakistan will be on the minds of many around the world. He said all Americans can participate in the relief, recovery and reconstruction efforts by donating to the Pakistan Relief Fund at www.state.gov.

*I* personally am glad that they did not take Trump's offer, what a pompous ass.

right?

and the pastor trading on act of Islamophobia for another makes me throw up in my mouth a little. asshat.

Q: how many folks here on this thread, let alone on this site, have used the words, "nuts", "wacko" nut-jobs" ?? What are you going to do censor everybody that does use such "offensive" language?

Again and for the last time. The words I used, are the words I used, and they were NOT meant for anyone here!! I was describing the nuts, the people that hate on other people without even knowing them and causing all kinds of trouble etc etc...k? NOT about anyone here! Tell me, did you also contact others (in private too) that responded to the thread and got on their case about these 'offensive' words ? Someone took this too personally, giving that it wasn't even about them to begin with.
Look, I don't know you, if we disagree ok fine, we disagree..you may use words to express yourself that I may find offensive, but how would you know what those words are, you don't know me...does that keep you from expressing yourself, because I or somebody else (and I'm not talking about verbally attacking someone here because of their opinion) may find offensive?For the last time...I was NOT name calling anybody here those names, keep it in context! You wrote to me in private....among other things, that " I am awaiting your response...", well this is it. Peace and have a nice day.

Me, too! Pompous and always ready for the press and photo ops! Plus, can you imagine the flack from the right-wing with the 25% mark-up and what they would be saying about the money going to Islamic terrorist cells!?

Sometimes good things happen.

http://www.towleroad.com/2010/09/dud...ecration-.html

I'm not sure, I haven't been counting and I'm sorry you're feeling singled out and victimized. I think you might be missing my point. FA took exception to your language and indicated that to you directly, yet you continue to use and defend your use of... that very same language.

A better question might be how many people purposely used that language after the exception was taken?

Whether or not I agree with FA's position regarding the main issue of this thread, I think in the least, we should respect another member's sensitivity to language. Language that I find dehumanizing and used to perpetuate inaccurate stereotypes of the mentally ill.


I'm not interested in censoring you or anyone else for that matter and I'm sorry you feel censored. Censorship implies the suppression of language, specifically your language, by someone in a position of power...that clearly isn't the case here.

I'm interested in participating in conversations with people who behave sensitively and compassionately of their own volition. When someone has indicated a particular sensitivity to language, my hope is that the sensitivity is respected as one person's truth, and that their truth is upheld and honored...That's all really.


You asked......So I did.

In addition, I responded to you specifically because you indicated in this thread and in another thread that FA was the only person who took exception to your language. That clearly isn't the case, so I let you know privately that I also took exception to and currently take exception to, your continual use of the same language. I am happy to take this conversation back to private or to another thread entirely.

We may not intend to offend, but words can be like bullets and our keyboards like guns...if someone gets hurt, doesn't it make sense to put the safety on?

I think we need to be sensitive when using language that historically, has been derogatory. I think we should be especially sensitive when it feels like our insensitivity is targeting people who are already marginalized, like people with psychiatric disabilities.

I may, and if I do, I hope you let me know that you found my language offensive, so that I can minimize the damage I do with my words.

It appears that there was not only one mosque in the twin towers, but two (existed after 1999)! Both blown up on 9/11 obviously. Keith Olberman tonight cited that this was not reported via the media until Sat, 9/11 by a columist in the NY Times. Olberman also talked about how the media has been remiss in not discussing this earlier as this situation has unfolded. Sounded like he did not have this knowledge, as well- I certainly did not know this. I also have no problem with the proposed community center and prayer room (already talked about my personal experience with loss in tghe towers that day).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#39161595

This (above link) is the entire podcast of his show tonight, so you have to listen to other stories covered before you get to this info. and where the name of the columist is mentioned that brought this to light on Saturday.

Something else- There were people killed in Afghanistan during anti-US/West demonstrations due to the Florida preacher threatening to burn the Koran. It appears these were civilians that were shot by government troops (don't have links- read article in SF Chronicle morning at breakfast about this).

OK... I have used wacko, etc. and yes, I do use such terms often when referring to right-wing political or Christian extremists. However, since some have been offended, I have not in this thread since they mentioned this.

For me, if something offends another person and they stand up and let me know this, I feel like I should respect their feelings. there are probably quite a few terms/phrases that are offensive to me that can be fairly common and I appreciate it when someone respects my feelings. Frankly, I have learned that we all just can have sensitivities and if I dismiss these feelings, I am devaluing someone.

It isn't a big deal for me to refrain from using some of these terms. It's kind of like knowing that my mother would react to some swear words and out of respect for her, I didn't use them around her. I never felt censored due to this. other people may feel very differently about this.

i don't believe in stereotyping a whole group based on what a few\minority do. our community should know that better than any other! the muslims that want the mosque don't want to fly planes into buildings or hurt or kill anyone and they had nothing to do with 9-11. true terrorism begins the day we lose our constitutional liberties such as freedom of religion.

ya know........Bill O Rilley ... he is a jerk..... and how dare he tell Joy to hush up and that she might learn something..... omg!!
the video clip is in the link below..


If anyone knows how to create water cooler moments on television, it’s the ladies of "The View" and FOX News' Bill O'Reilly. It's no surprise then that putting the two of them together on the same set caused some fireworks.

During a discussion about building a mosque at ground zero -- which O'Reilly is against -- Whoopi Goldberg asks the TV personality why he thinks it would be inappropriate. His response: "Because Muslims killed us on 9/11." This angers Goldberg, who lets an expletive fly out of her mouth before adding that it was religious extremists, and before getting up and walking off the set behind Joy Behar, who herself was angered by the comment.


Barbara Walters apologized for her colleagues' swift departure, which prompted O'Reilly to clarify things. "If anybody thought I was demeaning all Muslims," he said, "I apologize." Goldberg and Behar later returned and the discussion continued. Here's a clip of the entire incident:

http://social.entertainment.msn.com/...c760&GT1=28103