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Ravenouss 08-29-2012 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 642449)


Tokenism comes to mind.

I find it vey offensive that when people of color attain a stage in life it is considered "tokenism," or "affirmative action," whether by the right or the left.

She is an incredibly accomplished woman and one might disagree with her politics, but darn it, she earned that spot on that podium!

Ravenouss 08-29-2012 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by stephfromMIT (Post 642402)
Surprised a black, pro-choice, woman was allowed in the building, much less the podium!
This, however, is funny --

stephfromMIT 08-29-2012 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravenouss (Post 642493)
This, however, is funny --
Why is it funny? Is me saying it offensive IYO?

Ravenouss 08-29-2012 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by stephfromMIT (Post 642520)
Why is it funny? Is me saying it offensive IYO?
No, I sincerely thought it was a good non offensive joke!
Cheers!

Corkey 08-29-2012 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravenouss (Post 642490)
I find it vey offensive that when people of color attain a stage in life it is considered "tokenism," or "affirmative action," whether by the right or the left.

She is an incredibly accomplished woman and one might disagree with her politics, but darn it, she earned that spot on that podium!
She earned her spot in history, or herstory which ever way you prefer, but she is being used by men who could care less about her or those who have the same melanin in their skin as she. It puts it in the area of tokenism.

Ravenouss 08-29-2012 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 642534)
She earned her spot in history, or herstory which ever way you prefer, but she is being used by men who could care less about her or those who have the same melanin in their skin as she. It puts it in the area of tokenism.
Corkey,
For me, to think of Condi Rice as someone that is being "used," would require that I believe her to be "naive." That is certainly the last qualifier that comes to mind when thinking of her.
Cheers

Corkey 08-29-2012 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravenouss (Post 642547)
Corkey,
For me, to think of Condi Rice as someone that is being "used," would require that I believe her to be "naive." That is certainly the last qualifier that comes to mind when thinking of her.
Cheers
No, she absolutely know she's being used, that is what is so icky about it.

Ravenouss 08-29-2012 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 642549)
No, she absolutely know she's being used, that is what is so icky about it.
I wouldn't know that since I'm not inside her head, but who knows? You could be right!

I certainly have friends who think they can make a difference staying in places where they can make a difference than in a place where they are taken for granted.

Maybe I'm being influenced by Chris Matthew, whom I watched all night and despite him being a super liberal, he is still now drooling over her speech --- which by the way, was an electrifying one, particularly when compared with the dull, unspiring ones I heard tonight.

Kobi 08-29-2012 10:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravenouss (Post 642490)
I find it vey offensive that when people of color attain a stage in life it is considered "tokenism," or "affirmative action," whether by the right or the left.

She is an incredibly accomplished woman and one might disagree with her politics, but darn it, she earned that spot on that podium!

Im thinking you misunderstood my post. I find "tokenism" to be very offensive as well. Ms Rice is an accomplished woman, who happens to be a POC, and also pro choice. The GOP is anti women, anti choice, and anti POC ( see AJ's previous post). I was speaking to the irony involved, not the person.

firegal 08-29-2012 10:27 PM
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Did you all hear ?...Ann romney say tonite her and Mitty were "a real marriage"

Corkey 08-29-2012 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravenouss (Post 642557)
I wouldn't know that since I'm not inside her head, but who knows? You could be right!

I certainly have friends who think they can make a difference staying in places where they can make a difference than in a place where they are taken for granted.

Maybe I'm being influenced by Chris Matthew, whom I watched all night and despite him being a super liberal, he is still now drooling over her speech --- which by the way, was an electrifying one, particularly when compared with the dull, unspiring ones I heard tonight.
I have no reason to watch the grandiose make stupid statements on behalf of women. The party will be just fine without my watching them spew their pompousness on the rest of the nation. Chris isn't my favorite quasi liberal, so his sputtering over her speech is neither here nor there.
They do not inspire, but are quick to find fault where none exists.

Ravenouss 08-29-2012 10:33 PM
Thank you, Kobi.
 
Thanks for taking the time to clarify your point -- sorry if I sounded caustic.
Cheers

Ravenouss 08-29-2012 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 642564)
I have no reason to watch the grandiose make stupid statements on behalf of women. The party will be just fine without my watching them spew their pompousness on the rest of the nation. Chris isn't my favorite quasi liberal, so his sputtering over her speech is neither here nor there.
They do not inspire, but are quick to find fault where none exists.
I haven't had a TV for long... so I don't know who is out there. A friend had told me to watch Chris and Rachel on CSNBC (maybe she's too much of middle of the road if she thought Chis, a quasi-liberal, was a radical leftist commentator! lol

Ravenouss 08-29-2012 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by firegal (Post 642562)
Did you all hear ?...Ann romney say tonite her and Mitty were "a real marriage"
Maybe she was clarifying that she was the "real" wife instead of the other 18 he could have? lol

I take my real marriage over hers any day...

Corkey 08-29-2012 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravenouss (Post 642568)
I haven't had a TV for long... so I don't know who is out there. A friend had told me to watch Chris and Rachel on CSNBC (maybe she's too much of middle of the road if she thought Chis, a quasi-liberal, was a radical leftist commentator! lol
Yea Rachel is much more even and balanced than Chris, but I do think Lawrence describes himself as a socialist.
Sometimes I want to smack the crap outta Chris but I know his heart is in the right place, even if his mouth engages before his brain.

homoe 08-30-2012 06:25 PM
One good thing about Paul Ryan...he's keeping fact checkers busy and employed:hangloose:

Corkey 08-30-2012 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by homoe (Post 643176)
One good thing about Paul Ryan...he's keeping fact checkers busy and employed:hangloose:
Sure wish he'd use them himself.

Kobi 08-30-2012 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by homoe (Post 643176)
One good thing about Paul Ryan...he's keeping fact checkers busy and employed:hangloose:

Does this mean he is making stuff up as he goes along?

Kobi 08-30-2012 07:12 PM
'Freedom is Fabulous’: Two Republican gay groups make waves in Tampa
 

TAMPA--An older gentleman in a sparkling cowboy suit and matching hat made out of sequins gazed at a pair of buff male go-go dancers wearing tight jeans and skimpy tank tops that read "Freedom Is Fabulous." That was the scene at a local gay bar called "The Honeypot" on Tuesday night. More than 800 Republican delegates along with members of the local Tampa gay community and reporters clustered to listen to the colorful conservative gay group GOProud make the case for electing Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.

GOProud often needles the older, more established gay conservative group, The Log Cabin Republicans, by emphasizing that GOProud is the "only" gay group to have endorsed Mitt Romney. The group hints that Log Cabin is the stodgy uncle figure in the very small world of gay conservative groups.


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/f...-election.html

Metro 08-30-2012 09:07 PM
Watching TV...
 
....I think my eyes just rolled right out of my head...

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