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The_Lady_Snow 08-18-2011 09:23 PM
[QUOTE=J. Mason;401197]Yes you are correct. I think she has spoken to the boys about me in good context and I have never given her any reason to not trust me. Ohhh and this is someone who is NOT on this site, just to clear things up.[/QUt


I would think you would want to hang out with Mom first without the kids being involved, you don't even know if you can hang with this relationship why expose the kids? If you aren't gonna stick around for a long time there is no sense in meeting the kids until some kind of relationship or friendship is built and has some steady foundation. I could be wrong though...:|

J. Mason 08-18-2011 09:26 PM
Oh of course I do wanna spend time with the mom without the boys thats a given.

moxie 08-18-2011 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401197)
Yes you are correct. I think she has spoken to the boys about me in good context and I have never given her any reason to not trust me. Ohhh and this is someone who is NOT on this site, just to clear things up.
I can tell you from personal experience of being the child of a single mother who dated a lot and men were introduced quickly and often it was VERY confusing and hurt a lot when the relationship didn't go anywhere. Children are very resilient but at the same time, it is not fair to bring people into their lives that may not be there for the long haul. Kids don't understand the complexities.

J. Mason 08-18-2011 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by puregrrl (Post 401203)
I can tell you from personal experience of being the child of a single mother who dated a lot and men were introduced quickly and often it was VERY confusing and hurt a lot when the relationship didn't go anywhere. Children are very resilient but at the same time, it is not fair to bring people into their lives that may not be there for the long haul. Kids don't understand the complexities.
Wow I didn't think about it like that, which makes me wonder why she doesn't mind me meeting the boys right off.

dixie 08-18-2011 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401197)
Yes you are correct. I think she has spoken to the boys about me in good context and I have never given her any reason to not trust me. Ohhh and this is someone who is NOT on this site, just to clear things up.
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Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 401199)

I would think you would want to hang out with Mom first without the kids being involved, you don't even know if you can hang with this relationship why expose the kids? If you aren't gonna stick around for a long time there is no sense in meeting the kids until some kind of relationship or friendship is built and has some steady foundation. I could be wrong though...:|
I have to agree with Snow. There's never a guarantee how things will go in a first meeting, even if things seem perfect beforehand. I don't understand why someone would want to expose their children right off the bat to someone who may not (hopefully may) be a presence in their lives. Also, perhaps it's just me, but I think especially first meetings should be focused on the two individuals. Y'all need time together and alone to talk and get to know one another in person. With children present it will be harder to accomplish this and may give a false sense of things, if you will.

The_Lady_Snow 08-18-2011 09:30 PM
That's all I have to say about this subject tonight
 
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Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401202)
Oh of course I do wanna spend time with the mom without the boys thats a given.

Maybe until you and her have some form of solid relationship or friendship, the kids should be kept out. It's only fair to them. Just a suggestion:)

Corkey 08-18-2011 09:33 PM
I'm kind of wondering if perhaps she isn't as comfortable and is bringing the teenagers with for emotional back up. Which if the case would send up a red flag for me. Not that I know her or you but it's kind of well, weird.

J. Mason 08-18-2011 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 401207)
Maybe until you and her have some form of solid relationship or friendship, the kids should be kept out. It's only fair to them. Just a suggestion:)
I appreciate that, I made this thread for alot of open suggestions and opinions on the whole topic, I am glad to see positive posts.

RadiantYearning 08-18-2011 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401179)
Oh yes I do. I have dated women with small children before it didn't work out too well due to the kid's father being in the picture. This particular woman I speak of now has 15 year old twin boys and I have never been up to par on what to do with teenagers.
I have three children ... they are 18, 15 and 5. I'm incredibly open with my children and I don't hide my affection for my partners from them because I refuse to give them a reason to ever feel ashamed of who their mother is or who I love. It kills me when people, especially parents, cry and complain about acceptance when they themselves aren't even proud enough of who they are to share all of their lives with their kids. I understand special circumstances and I don't pretend to always be right or understand every situation ... I only know that very often it's the parents themselves who plant the seeds of shame in their own kids.

That being said, kids, especially teenagers, can sniff out a phony faster than a bloodhound!! Everyone who said don't try to buy the kids couldn't have been more dead on. Sure, the kids will enjoy whatever it is you spoil them with but they will absolutely see right through you and the best you can hope for then will be polite manipulation. My best advice is to be genuine and take the time to get to know the kids. Spend time with them and let them know that you sincerely accept them as part of the package. Respect is indeed a two way street, especially with teenagers who are quickly approaching young adulthood. Respect that these boys are their mother's first priority in the world regardless of their age and know that the way you treat their mom will directly impact your relationship with them and thus your relationship with her! Also know that if you attempt to compete with them, you will lose so don't try ... there are so many different ways to love, strive to make the love between the two of you special while accepting that the love between a mother and her children is always paramount.

Tcountry 08-18-2011 11:47 PM
$.02 from T
 
Dating 101: :blink:
  • How long have you been talking and what are the current intentions?If you have been talking for a long time and the delay in the first meeting is because of distance...
    If intentions are long term
    If you have actually had a phone convo with the kids
  • What is the event schedule for this first meeting?Are you meeting mother and kids for dinner and then getting "us time" with just the mother?
  • How old are the kids and how out/open is the mother?The kids are teenagers, the mom could be very open with them. They could be, like Radiant indicated, the BS meters...lol
    Younger kids attach easier and faster (or the ones I have met)
    How close is mom to the kids father? How close are the kids?
  • What is the mother's thought process as to your meeting the kids, and what would you be introduced as?Why is she wanting you to meet them first meeting?
    Will you be her "friend", someone she wants to date, etc etc...?

    AND these are just the questions I can think of at the moment.
    A lot of it has to do with the mother and her intentions and actions/feelings...not only about you but about dating and about her kids.
    I have been in a relationship where the father lived in the same town and we all celebrated major holidays together...
    I have talked to one lady and during one of the first phone convos talked to her teenage daughter(by daughter's request)...

    It is all relivant and every family is as different as every individual person here...I would advise you to keep communication honest and clear before during and after first meeting.

    IF you have any doubts or hesitations...please voice them BEFORE you ever meet the kids.

    All the living together, and parenting, and stuff like that advise would come later...lol

    That is all I have for now.... *tip hat* good luck!

always2late 08-19-2011 12:21 AM
After reading the posts, as a mom, I'd like to add my two cents. From what was written, it seems that you will be meeting the kids the first time the two of you meet. No disrespect towards you or your date, but I don't think that's such a good idea. I've never let my son meet anyone I've dated on our first date, and especially not the first time I've ever met in person. Again, this is not meant to be disrespectful, but you never REALLY know someone until you spend some actual face-time with them. I just think a first meeting is way too soon to involve the kids.

Mtn 08-19-2011 01:50 AM
I was blessed with three beautiful children out of relationships, all when they were about 5, they remain MINE to this day, (Laura RIP), They were always first, and responded to the love they felt all around. As I have gotten older and been with women with adult children, they have become mine as well, and I cherish those relationships. I have always understood my place, and respected their relationships with their Mom. Syl has a 15 and 18 yr old, and we are developing relationships. Some days are good and some days are not,lol. Be real, be PRESENT, respect everyone, and understand that no matter how old they are they will call crying and YOUR needs will not matter a hooot. Best of luck!

jelli 08-19-2011 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401179)
Oh yes I do. I have dated women with small children before it didn't work out too well due to the kid's father being in the picture. This particular woman I speak of now has 15 year old twin boys and I have never been up to par on what to do with teenagers.
The father being in the picture is not always a bad situation. Just sayin'.

J. Mason 08-19-2011 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by jelli (Post 401337)
The father being in the picture is not always a bad situation. Just sayin'.
no it's not but when he says negative things about you to the kids there is a problem, IMO

jelli 08-19-2011 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401338)
no it's not but when he says negative things about you to the kids there is a problem, IMO

I am just stating the father doesn't automatically equal a bad situation. It's more effective for all concerned to judge it on a case by case basis.

J. Mason 08-19-2011 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by jelli (Post 401339)

I am just stating the father doesn't automatically equal a bad situation. It's more effective for all concerned to judge it on a case by case basis.
True, I didn't mean for my post to come across as seeming like a bad situation.

jelli 08-19-2011 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RadiantYearning (Post 401215)
I have three children ... they are 18, 15 and 5. I'm incredibly open with my children and I don't hide my affection for my partners from them because I refuse to give them a reason to ever feel ashamed of who their mother is or who I love. It kills me when people, especially parents, cry and complain about acceptance when they themselves aren't even proud enough of who they are to share all of their lives with their kids. I understand special circumstances and I don't pretend to always be right or understand every situation ... I only know that very often it's the parents themselves who plant the seeds of shame in their own kids.

That being said, kids, especially teenagers, can sniff out a phony faster than a bloodhound!! Everyone who said don't try to buy the kids couldn't have been more dead on. Sure, the kids will enjoy whatever it is you spoil them with but they will absolutely see right through you and the best you can hope for then will be polite manipulation. My best advice is to be genuine and take the time to get to know the kids. Spend time with them and let them know that you sincerely accept them as part of the package. Respect is indeed a two way street, especially with teenagers who are quickly approaching young adulthood. Respect that these boys are their mother's first priority in the world regardless of their age and know that the way you treat their mom will directly impact your relationship with them and thus your relationship with her! Also know that if you attempt to compete with them, you will lose so don't try ... there are so many different ways to love, strive to make the love between the two of you special while accepting that the love between a mother and her children is always paramount.

The statement about the kids being like bloodhounds... If that were true than why do we have all the issues with breakups, dating, etc?

jelli 08-19-2011 05:04 AM
I am a mother of 5, yes 5. I met my partner, Cruel, 9 years ago. Cruel had no children and was pretty sure would not date someone that had children. Boy, did I *show* her....lol Cruel knew of my kids right away, but did not meet them for a couple months. We dated, we got to know one another as best we could, but I am not sure one can ever prepare themselves enough - only as best as possible.

Cruel and I had talks about parenting skill, issues we might face that possibly could cause conflict, boundaries, money, education, employment, etc.

We found situations periodically that caused conflict or caused us to examine what was behind the way we were feeling/thinking/acting. We sought out counseling at one point and it was such a turning point. This didn't have so much to do with the issues at hand, but more in the way we were communicating ourselves.

We have had to deal with a father that was constantly surfacing in a neg. light and the feelings that brought about for our kids and in turn us.

One thing we agree that we never discussed was the age of the kids when we started our relationship and how their development(in many areas) and level of maturity may also play a role in how they accept/deny a relationship or the incoming partner.

I have the utmost respect and admiration for the task my Cruel took on and the growth that has taken place over the years. We are better individuals because of each other and because of that fact we are a better couple and better parenting unit.

I am a firm believer in getting to know the person face to face and taking your time to do so. When and if the time is right then meet the kids. Get to know the kids slowly and in doing so experience how the parent is with their child(ren). Perhaps you won't like how they interact with one another. Perhaps it will bring up some issues from your own childhood/past. Prepare yourself for the fact the parent could like you, but the kids not so much.

Then what???

No matter what you two adults choose to do please remember the kids are impacted by everything. Of course they are resilient beings, but sometimes they are unnecessarily involved in situations or decisions that could've been put off until a more appropriate time or avoided altogether.

LaneyDoll 08-19-2011 07:38 AM
As someone with kids, I have a few thoughts as they relate to me and my children...
*rather than gifts, my kids would prefer time/attention, but only if it is shared in a genuine manner; but if you must present a gift, make it one that shows you put some thought and effort into it. Do NOT buy any gift that adds to my expenses. A puppy is cute & all but I have to pay a pet deposit of $400 if you show up with one.
*ALL ages of kids have their good & bad times; my 13 year old is probably easier to be around than my 7 year old b/c my oldest can sit and have an intelligent conversation with you while my 7 year old won't have much to talk about beyond 7 year old things
*my kids come first-period. But my situation is different. My kids go to their dad's place on "his weekends" and they go visit my mom on "my weekends." So, I actually have a decent amount of alone/adult time.
*I do not expect someone to be a surrogate parent. My children have a mother and a father and both are present in the kids lives. Anyone else should be a friend, role model, confidant etc. Not that they are less important, they just have a different place in the kids lives.
*I struggle with how soon someone meets my kids. A friend once advised that I let people meet the kids early on, to establish that my kids ARE part of my life. But, on the other hand, I am pretty protective. Anyone who meets my kids early on is introduced as "my friend."

Families are well worth the investment in time/effort. But not everyone is made to date a family. I have dated women in the past who just could not handle it and things ended. And I respect them for having gotten out when they did, rather than everyone be miserable.

:sparklyheart:

LaneyDoll 08-19-2011 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401338)
no it's not but when he says negative things about you to the kids there is a problem, IMO
Seems to me that the problem here is with the father, not the kids. Your s/o needs to address this issue-both with the father & the children. She may not be able to change the father's attitude but maybe she can use it in a lesson to the kids of "how people sometimes are hurt or angry and they say mean, untrue things about other people." The main thing is to not sink to that level & say mean things in return. Kids are not pawns.


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