Yanno I hate to remind you all

It's not just the *latinos* breaking and entering into this country... We are just easier to pick out... Now how you think this may end in a positive note I dunno..

Here is what *I* am afraid is gonna happen

Some poor brown person (they could be any nationality) is gonna get pulled over, get upset, get scared, they are gonna get tagged as irate and not being cooperative and they will end up hurt or dead..

THAT is not something I think should happen before someone has an *A-ha* moment...

Also don't forget those latinos could have been there hundreds of years, like everything else this country took the land from them...

Funny how that is forgotten..

I changed the channel...
I aint watchin' cnn or msnbc today...
my BP's feelin fucked at the moment...
Got enuff with the Weather being all "wizard of oz".
And I do agree with Snow, that bitch lost any respectable words I could possibly give her simply based on Gender when she signed a Carte Blanche for Arizona Cops to go after anyone they felt was Illegal, considering how things are down there, My guess is anyone that's Brown & makes a Cop twitch....
Crypt Keeper's too fuckin' Nice for her...I liked the crypt keeper lol..
And , if it were a Wrinkly ole white haired Man, I'd still insult his ass if he did the same shit.....
Whatever happened to

Oh wait... I forgot... It also says "Wait, stop....Not You .....or You ....and ..hmm, well, No, not you, step aside"

fuckin' kingkong sized balls...
I'll go, when they rebuild the fuckin Mayflower and go also....

stolen from QoQ
 

Frankly

I find her to be a

*cunt nugget*

see my post #13 ...........I listed a couple of articles about police support and non-support .........plus a summary of the bill......

This was never about respect based on gender; it was about avoiding disrespect based on gender. Or age. This governor loses our respect solely based on her racist policies. To announce derision based on these other, peripheral and unrelated things opens a dangerous door.

If I disagreed with someone here, would it be okay for me to say something like: What a disgusting tranny? Or what an ignorant femme slut bag? Making these things personal is untenable to me. And anyone who knows me personally knows that I believe this. It is my personal politic.

Okay. Moving on.

You could always start a thread about it!!:deepthoughts:

Right?

I think this lady is the pinnacle of *women betraying women*, actually *humans betraying humans*. To suggest that you are somehow a racist because of your comments is kind of funny. Like an impossible math equation.

I agree with your mother btw.

The Gov. may have just signed this bill but problems in AZ have been going on for quite some time. The *Border Checkpoints* nowhere near the borders are stripping away Fourth Amendment rights from citizens every day.

Looking forward to more of this bullshit happening, LEGALLY...

How no one can see how this is outright racism I don't know..

Crypt Keeper she is not, he was not real, this scary bitch is... and THAT is worse...

Maybe this was posted before, but I found it to be a succinct article explaining this whole shitty and racist law.

from the phoenix new times (the only local paper that's worth a read...)

Is Governor Jan Brewer ready to become the most hated woman in Arizona by signing SB 1070?

That's the query I directed toward Brewer as she stalked out of the Chicanos Por La Causa 41st Anniversary Dinner, the cries of "Veto the bill" echoing behind her. Brewer maintained the silence of a human artichoke with legs. (*no offense to human artichokes.*)

(read more here) http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bas...t_of_chica.php


from arizona immigration bill: "brewer speaks at Chicano event on Thursday" (4.22.10) as reported on, soychicano.com

A coincidence of timing turned an annual fundraiser dinner into a national political firestorm over illegal immigration Thursday night.

Long before the controversial illegal immigration measure Senate Bill 1070 was sent to Gov. Jan Brewer for consideration, she had agreed to speak at the 41st annual Chicanos Por La Causa anniversary dinner. She kept her commitment – despite the dozens of bill protesters that chanted and marched outside the Sheraton Phoenix Downtown Hotel.

Brewer has until Saturday night to decide whether she'll sign the bill, veto it or do nothing and allow it to become law.

If SB 1070 becomes law, it would make it a state crime to be in the United States illegally and would require anyone whom police suspect of being in the country illegally to produce "an alien registration document," such as a green card, or other proof of citizenship such as a passport or Arizona driver's license.

Chicanos Por La Causa earlier this week sent a letter to Brewer stating that the bill would "open the door for racial profiling, create a hostile environment for Latinos regardless of their immigration status and force entire communities to live in perpetual fear of harassment."

At the dinner, organization board chairwoman Erica Gonzalez-Melendez urged Brewer to veto "the most hateful piece of legislation directed at Latinos."

"This law would further open the door to racial profiling of all Latinos," Gonzalez-Melendez said. "This law does not address the root causes of our broken immigration system. It only panders to the racist fear mongers of our state." Brewer spoke next, saying that she has heard the concerns about immigration reform.

"I am not prepared to announce a decision on Senate Bill 1070," she said. "What I decide will be based on what's right for Arizona."

As she stepped off the stage, some audience members chanted "veto, veto" while others tried to shush them. Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon also spoke to the dinner attendees, offering harsh words to Brewer and asking her to veto the bill.

"I understand you're plight. It's an election year. You're facing a tough Republican primary and you love your job," he said. "I ask you to love your state even more."

He asked her not to follow the route of former Arizona Gov. Evan Meacham and former Alabama Gov. George Wallace, who were criticized for racial insensitivity. He said the bill humiliates Arizona in the eyes of America and threatens the state's economic recovery.

Dozens of protesters not connected to the group gathered for a rally outside the hotel.

The Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles organized a caravan of buses and vehicles that drove from L.A. to Phoenix on Thursday. Their group of about 50 is was among those at the hotel rally.

Jorge-Mario Cabrera, spokesman for the coalition, said they came to Arizona to show their support for Arizonans opposing SB 1070.

"Arizonans are definitely fed up with the problem of illegal immigration," Cabrera said. "Unfortunately Arizona, and particularly the Republican party, has chosen to go to the extremes in order to find a solution."

Veronica Iordanova, 25, of Phoenix, said she felt like she had to come down to the hotel and show her concern over SB1070."I see the irony in Brewer speaking to Chicanos Por La Causa when she still hasn't vetoed the bill," Iordanova said. She said she is concerned that the bill would result in racial profiling. "I also don't think we should be forcing police to focus on immigration when they should be focused on other things, like crime," she said. "And if there are civil rights challenges and the city is sued, that would be horrible economically for us."

Leonardo Mada, 14, of Phoenix, had spent the day protesting at the capitol before moving down to the Sheraton. He said he was also worried about what the bill would do.

"They told me that if police see someone with a dark skin color they are going to ask for their information, even if they are not doing anything wrong," he said. "That's racist."

if there was ever a person deserving of a tazering...
 

actually this is the tempe (local) pastor, originally from sacramento that prays that Obama and gays will die. (and to be clear he's got like zero congregation.)

what? you can't believe we've got all this going on in one little state?!

i guess he didn't fit in in california. (what's left of my humor is now *totally* gone--i can't believe they're piggybacking this freak onto the issue at hand...)

more from pastor stevens:

here's one of MANY videos on youtube where he says all the most hateful words against the country and gays and some opposing church, methodists piss him off, apparently. (he wants the death penalty for gays, no i wish i was joking)



like i said, anytime anyone wants to come down and protest the racism, the homophobia, the general state of *arizona* i shall HOST you and yours in my home, so come on down to where the work needs to be done!!

(on the upside we have a sprinkles cupcakes just 2 miles from us, and a barneys!)

But I have the militia.

And a state constitutional amendment not only banning gay marriage, but also banning domestic partner benefits.

And the Detroit Lions.

So, I think we're even.

I'll raise you one; my husband's state (FL) is the only one that bans adoptions by gays and lesbians outright.

Bans (of course) civil unions and domestic partnerships. (it seems like over and over they have done this)

And the governor (Crist) is a closet case who married a woman last year.

What's next?


Little Yellow Stars Sewn On Jackets?,
Dylan

This kind of racist bullshit masks the real problem. There is more violence around our southern border, more in CA and AZ than NM. Violence caused by drug dealers and human dealers. This shit has little to do with folks coming across the border to find work and a way out of the mind numbing poverty found in certain parts of Mexico and Central/South America.

The current bullshit speaks little about real immigration issues and even less about how to stop the escalating violence due to drug and human trafficking across our southern border.

Don't forget about our lax gun laws - there's an insane number of gun shops all along the border - it's nice and easy for the drug dealers to pop over and pick up weapons and ammo.

There's a facebook page for the Boycott: linkyloo

DailyKos has an entry with information about a truckers boycott, plus other info and lots of links: linkyloo

laughin...............

please don't make me go off about gun laws............my brain will explode...........

and mind all of you...........I come from a gun toting animal hunting family........funny thing is..........my family believes in wait periods, training, licensing, and regulation of ownership of weapons and are firm believers in the 2nd Amendment.....however none of them believe Obama wants to take our guns and ammo away......not even my brother-in-law's mother, who is a Palin supporter.....

I hope everyone watched Rachael Maddow's special on Tim McVeigh........the true enemy of this country is domestic and not foreign..........

Yes, saw this special and it really brings your point home!

I have the same kind of background with gun ownership and although I don't own one anymore, I can't think of anyone in my family that thinks Obama want to take guns away either. And, sorry to say, some of them probably support Sarah, too. What you are say here - wait periods, training, licensing, and regulation of ownership of weapons and are firm believers in the 2nd Amendment demonstrates the key differences between the wing-nut zealots and people that are responsible gun owners and are not into stock piling AK-47's, and other assualt weapons, etc.

i wonder if there is more violence at the border... you hear that a lot, but i wonder, 'more violence' in comparison to who/where? i think it's another way to make *some* white people more fearful, more phobic...

*not denying that there's drugs and human trafficking along *both* sides of the USa/Mexico border (as well as within both of these countries).

I have a gf who lives in Phoenix but has family in Nogales(Arizona/Mexico) border. The violence is so bad there that her parents will not visit their relatves in Mexico. The murders, kidnappings, muggings in Mexico are blamed on the 'drug Lords'. The Mexican government appears 'helpless' to arrest and prosecute these 'terrorists'. People are fleeing from there (wouldn't you?). Human trafficers exploit people who fear for their lives and their families lives, to get them out of this terror. Each person pays between $5000 - $10,000 to be smuggled across our borders in vans, pickup trucks, 18=wheelers inside crates and bags. Most of these people are taken to 'drop houses' (sometimes as many of 30 people living there). These people immediately try to get work (general labor -cash). They are required to play approx. $1000 per mth a person to their landlord.
The reason these immigrants coming to the United States is to get established here, send money to their families in Mexico and to get their families across the order legally.

These folks are not 'criminals'. They are REFUGEES! They are fleeing for their lives. If the federal government 'Homeland Security' wants to REALLY protect our southern borders than provide military support to Mexico. Does the US government really think that people
want to leave their homeland? If we help the people of Mexico defeat their 'terrorists' they will want to stay in their homes. Mexico can begin to prosper again.

The cost of this SB1070 to the citizens of will be devasting to our already bleak economy.

I propose this:

The citizens of the United States petition their State Representatives and Senators to send troops to Mexico, to organize a refugee program that willl repay the cost to the federal fund to get the people here and settled during the intervention. Once the 'Mexican terrorists' are defeated the familes will return to their homeland.

The US citizens of the border states should not have to absorb the costs of protecting our country. I definitely OPPOSE the SB1070 bill. Movement is already underway in Arizona to repeal the bill. I do understand the fear of the US families on the border. As you should know by now the government controls it's Citizens by instilling fear. This is a NATIONAL SECURITY issue! The threat is not the people flowing across the borders.

IT IS THE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER THAT ARE EXPLOITING THEM.

I purpose a UNITED NATIONS investment in an INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL database that tracks 'TRUE CRIMINALS' and information sharing of individuals.

BOYCOTTING AZ is noit going to resolve the ISSUE. If FACT it will only create another 'knee jerk' reaction to a NATIONAL problem. GET INVOLVED in a Productive Solution!

friskyfemme:

have you read the entire thread?

i'm attending 2 rallies today (gay and straight) for the people against SB 1070.

i think boycotting arizona is just one way that people can get involved.

(prior to living here, i lived 29 years in san diego, ca (2nd generation) --i do have some experience with living in border towns. phoenix isn't even NEAR a border and they blame mexicans for every kind of crime conceivable.)

pretty,

My response was not directed at you. I was only addressing your question of increased violence. There is increased violence in Mexico and in the US border cities. Those responsible for that violence are NOT the individuals fleeing here.
The 'racial profiling' is very much a ISSUE here in Phoenix Metro Area. Our Sheriff Arpaio has been doing this for years. After a federal investigation of racial profiling it continues.

I don't believe BOYCOTTING is the going to be helpful. The 'snowbirds' are leaving within the month and by the time they come back in the winter we will have elected another governor and repealed this SB 1070.

The immigrants that do 'sneak' across the border work to maintain a very low profile. They work for cash 'pennies on the dollar'.

Does the migration cause a strain on border states? Yes it does, but not necessarily for the reasons our government sites. The fact that this State-AZ is controlled by the Republican minority is appalling.

I am only pointing out instead of putting money an effort to round up and incarerate our Mexican neighbors, we need to 'help' them within their own country.

I agree with you about REPEAL of SB 1070. I don't think that most Arizonians and maybe the rest of the country understand the 'REAL' issue of white conservatives that are in CONTROL of the Arizona BIG BUSINESS-including insurance, farming, ranching, and tourism pushing for a Dictatorship through our 'puppet' Governor.

I feel for
 

I feel for the 30% that don't want anything to do with this whole thing, and have a better opinion about it than the rest of the state.
:mohawk:

so, i'll see you at the rally?

i have a really big jan brewer -fascist sign that will be impossible to miss.

-Christine :)

True, if the U.S. would stop smuggling Drugs, quite a few Countries would have a decent Drop in their Crimes..
No Profit from Drugs = No Cartels...
Not just Mexico though, but also Columbia, Afghanistan, Panama, etc etc...
Although, other "rich" countries, like Netherlands, England, Germany etc etc, also "order" drugs...:blink:
And, considering just how easy it is to Buy Guns in the U.S. (and smuggle off the Border), we might also wanna consider figuring that out as well.
:fudd:
Then there's the Pharmaceutical issue, from somewhere the Legal purveyors of Opium have to get their Source, or else we wouldn't have Morphine, Vicodin, Oxycodone etc..
Oh, right, and lets not forget another Profitable Crime in Smuggling...
Exotic Animals {Someone once tried to smuggle a few "big cats" across U.S./Mexican Border}
And Human trafficking...
There's always something to smuggle, and profit from
:candle:

This bullshit "law" is unconstitutional.


I snipped that because it stood out to me:

SNIP:I propose this:

The citizens of the United States petition their State Representatives and Senators to send troops to Mexico, to organize a refugee program that willl repay the cost to the federal fund to get the people here and settled during the intervention. Once the 'Mexican terrorists' are defeated the familes will return to their homeland. End SNIP



Well then who is going to assist mexico or any other country in sending troops here to help us with our violence problem ? We certainly have a huge one.

Believe it or not there are a lot of Mexican Nationals that want nothing to do with the USA. true story.

I am sorry this is the way I wrote this. It is missing some key words (my dyslexia). I will fill in what I neglected to write.
SNIP:I propose this:

The citizens of the United States petition their State Representatives and Senators to send troops to aid Mexico in defeating the drug cartels , to organize a refugee program that will allow persons from the targeted areas to relocate here temporarily and the Mexican government to repay the cost to the federal fund to get the people here and settled during the intervention. Once the 'Mexican terrorists' are defeated the relocated familes will return to their homeland. End SNIP

I am not suggesting this is THE answer. I do believe in the power of the people. I do believe in humanity wanting to help each other. I don't think Boycotting Arizona is the answer. It will only hurt the underemployed, unpaid majority who is struggling to support themselves and their familes here in AZ and south of our border.

Sincerely, I hope that people do get involved. I look forward to positive resolutions.

I guess we've all forgotten the government pulled this same thing (telling us of all the violence in border towns due to drug 'cartels', immigration, joblessness of Americans, 'Mexicans taking all the good jobs', and all that) way back in the 30s when they were first trying to make pot illegal


Same Tactics,
Dylan

thanks
 

friskyfemme,
I applaud your thoughts on how to deal with this issue although I don't agree, for several reasons. I do think in order to move forward these kinds of conversations need to occur and I appreciated your clarification.

I am still in shock about this and everytime some crap assed idiotic legislation gets barreled through I get alarmed about what will happen next and what groups are going to be the target cuz we ( collective) queers are a dice roll away from shit like this.

Again, thanks for taking the time to clarify.

LF

Corkey..we have sent troops many place over the years for way less that whats going on in mexico...look where we are now!! The two wars that the Bush legacy left us in,that we are still fighting and prolly will for a long time yet.Why not help Mexico fight the cartells and other crime thats effecting both our nations.NO,I dont want us in a other war, but we should help some how at least better than we are doing now.I know if my family was in harms way I would be getting out to somewhere safe..wouldnt you?