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Soon 12-02-2010 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Starbuck (Post 240349)
I'm interested, Laerkin, what does your personalized tag say??

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Originally Posted by Laerkin (Post 192102)
Living in Virginia, not far from Fort Belvoir, Quantico, and Dahlgren, there have certainly been a number of hate crimes over the years.

During the Presidential election, two Marines assaulted a woman for simply having an Obama sticker on her car.

I had one on my car at the time and it certainly made me a little more aware of the target I had on my bumper in an area that is highly conservative and religious.

After a minor fender bender where I lost my rear bumper (and thus, my stickers), I recently decided to just throw caution to the wind and make a statement, haters be damned.

My license plate is now personalized and advertises to the world that yes, the owner is in fact a queer.

And I added a rainbow sticker (six little kitties) to my rear windshield.

The only time I've had anyone pause is when a few coworkers saw it (straight, conservative ones). But nothing untoward was said.

Like CTW, I mostly get other folks within the community speeding up or slowing down to take a peek at who's in the car and I smile and wave. I'm sure my "out"ness offends some of the people around here, but I think Virginia could use a little more queer.

On a side note, I do feel more pressure to drive respectfully. When I'm out on the country roads or in small town VA, I feel this odd responsibility to not drive like an asshole lest it gives some redneck one more excuse to hate gays. Is that weird?


Here is where she answered!!

It seems you missed her response!

HoneyedChrysanthemum 12-03-2010 05:29 AM

YES!
 
i make it obvious that i am part of the LBGQT community! i always have a rainbow flag in my window. the last remark i got on that,however, was "ma'am, you sure do have a purty flag in yore window!" LoL when i drove, i always had a LBGQT emblem on my car. i even have the human rights emblem on my cane, along with the words, "butch, femme, queer" albeit they are prob so small that no-one can see them! i take pride in being part of this community and have always tried to subvert the dominant paradign!
pres :moonstars:

Julien 12-03-2010 05:40 AM

I am happy to say I have a rainbow sticker on my car. I live in a less than progressive southern city. So I don't see the rainbow sticker or any LGBT identifications out there. I am told they exist, but they must be far and few between. I am concerned about what would happen if a less than accepting individual made the connection of Pride Flag with LGBT, but I figured that in general they wouldn't know what it meant. When I lived in Milwaukee there were stickers and flags everywhere. Even the city flew the flag during the summer. What a site.:LGBTQFlag:

morningstar55 12-03-2010 05:44 AM

for years i have had some sort of rainbow sticker on my car... and now truck..
a small flag hangs from my passenger side visor and a sguiggle on my driver window.
i have never ever had any attacks of any kind made about them.

Soon 12-03-2010 06:38 AM

Apologies, Starbuck--I see now what you were asking in regards to Laerkin's personalized tags!

Thanks for responding to this thread everyone--I forgot about it!

:)

bigbutchmistie 12-03-2010 06:44 AM

I have a rainbow peace sign on my back window with a license plate holder that has a rainbow strip... I have been run off the road, shot at.. I will never stop being me because some idiot cant handle it... :)

asphaltcowboi 12-03-2010 07:39 AM

i dont put bumper stickers on just because... but i do have a sticker on the back of my helment. never been harrassed.. maybe im lucky.. but i have been harassed for my T shirt that says "my other ride is your mother" but i think anyone would!

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u...RogerSmall.gif

Tommi 12-03-2010 08:03 AM

Proud and Silent no More
 
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Originally Posted by AtLastHome (Post 192187)
OK, wondering if we have a bit of difference going on between Butches and Femmes with this (including all gender variations, thereof)? Talking overall, I see a few posts to the contrary, but a trend, too. Seems like (and for obvious reasons), butches may not be inclined to sticker our bumpers!

Wait...I do my windows versus my bumpers.

After putting my Pride stickers on my car I felt a sense of Pride. And a sense of community when people pull up and wave and smile.

Back window of my SUV has a row of tall palm trees in Pride colors. Beneath the palm trees is another sticker of people holding hands in Pride colors.

I live in an area where my Ex, who lives a mile away, had the HRC = signs shaved off the trash cans that were put outside for the garbage truck pick-up.

I live in an area where the gay bars were closed and people were bashed and arrested, and Anita Bryant marched in the 70's. Gay's say I live behind the Orange Curtain.

i live in an area where to be gay is not popular, and our Gay Pride events were not held for 7 years. BUT, we are coming back.

This year Orange County Pride held our first Gay Pride event at the Verizon Amphitheater. I was the Face Painter in the Children's Corner. and many adults wanted rainbow flags :LGBTQFlag:

This June I held the first ever LGBT Pride event at work. Gay Pride flags flew inside and outside a very large exposed Federal Building I work in. I had speakers from PFLAGG and Out and Equal. Attendance was huge and mostly straight folks with questions and sincerity about concerns for gay family members. I started a Diversity Committee, because, well, I knew I just did not want to die in silence. I grew up in a town that was silent and violent, and had a father who hated me for being gay. So, guess my time is now.

Tommi 12-03-2010 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cody (Post 240454)
i dont put bumper stickers on just because... but i do have a sticker on the back of my helment. never been harrassed.. maybe im lucky.. but i have been harassed for my T shirt that says "my other ride is your mother" but i think anyone would!

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u...RogerSmall.gif

I have similar shirt with great motorcycle on it.

...Says :

My Other Ride is Your Girl.
which some one who posted above sent to me.;)

1PlayfulFemme 01-10-2011 08:02 PM

I have always had pride stickers on my cars. Partially, being femme, it helps me to not feel so invisible! The other part, for me at least, is that feeling of community that Tommi was talking about!

I live in a tiny lil town in the south. Like many here, the KKK runs rampant, hate mongers are all around. But they can't have my pride.

Currently, the truck has a rainbow basketball sticker (I have a sticker waiting to go on it that says Hate Is Not A Family Value). The Rav has several rainbows..we're a very gay friendly family *G*

TIMBERWOLF 01-10-2011 08:39 PM

I too have always had some sort of Rainbow on my trucks. I have a wolf howling with a rainbow background on my back window,I also have feathers with rainbow ribbon painted on my cane thanks to Morningstar.
My Lady WT, has rainbow palm trees

TIMBER

TickledPink 01-10-2011 08:48 PM

I have a cute little rainbow dog on my car.

http://www.lavenderlifestyles.co.uk/.../2401small.jpg

Greyson 01-10-2011 09:37 PM

For most of my adult life my cars and trucks have sported rainbow decals of some sort. Up until I partnered with a mom. I struggle with how the child may be shamed, judged and/or shunned by her peers and closed minded adults. For this reason I do not put rainbow decals on my autos. I get the impression that some think Queer people go through life saying, " Hi I am so and so and my entire life and identity is about being Queer. Pleased to meet you."

EnderD_503 01-16-2011 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyson (Post 263491)
I get the impression that some think Queer people go through life saying, " Hi I am so and so and my entire life and identity is about being Queer. Pleased to meet you."

This is something I've been thinking a lot about, or maybe always have. I've never really been the "Hi my name is X and btw I'm queer how 'bout you?" type, only really seeing this as one part of my life and identity. But I'm finding that the longer I move through the world and come up against ignorance and resistance toward the lgbt community, the more I find that part of my life and identity comes to the forefront. It's certainly nowhere near being all there is to me, but the more the anger builds up against the ignorance I experience, the more that aspect of me becomes consciously visible.

It makes me think that perhaps many, even though resistant to being one of those you described above, are almost forced into being that way in part out of mounting irritation with the ignorance they encounter in every day life. This is a trait I consciously watch out for more and more, because I don't want to be so angry of a person that I feel the need to shove that rage down the throats of the ignorant, since I do think there are more productive ways of educating...at the same time you just find yourself wanting shatter limited world views.

Brewcityboi 01-29-2011 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Graphiteta2s (Post 240412)
I am happy to say I have a rainbow sticker on my car. I live in a less than progressive southern city. So I don't see the rainbow sticker or any LGBT identifications out there. I am told they exist, but they must be far and few between. I am concerned about what would happen if a less than accepting individual made the connection of Pride Flag with LGBT, but I figured that in general they wouldn't know what it meant. When I lived in Milwaukee there were stickers and flags everywhere. Even the city flew the flag during the summer. What a site.:LGBTQFlag:

Milwaukee is a great city. They fly the flags all down 1st and 2nd street, (the fruit loop as they fondly call it) even into parts of downtown all during june. Even the burger bar changes its logo to have a rainbow apostrophe. We're a very open minded city. Every time i've had a rainbow sticker on my car no one has had an issue with it. Every time i see one, i have to look and see who is inside. Most of my friends are gay and they all have their cars plastered with the fabulousness of rainbow stickers. :) Go mil-town!

lipstixgal 01-29-2011 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbutchmistie (Post 240429)
I have a rainbow peace sign on my back window with a license plate holder that has a rainbow strip... I have been run off the road, shot at.. I will never stop being me because some idiot cant handle it... :)

Seriously?? I don'T have anything on my car but should have a rainbow flag, my rabbi has a rainbow strip on her car and doesn't have any trouble at all not that I know of!!

Rook 01-29-2011 02:57 PM

A few things...

1- Snow, Amor, Chuleria, that just tickled me Pink ...in Ohio, you're all about the Bumper-Stickers, but Florida's scary ??....Damn...lol...That was priceless...

2- I honestly don't care who says what, it's my car...As long as it's not Illegal, fuck-em-all...I understand those who cannot Risk it, jobs, health....Life, in some narrowminded towns...
Believe me, I've been there, done that ....
Which is why I always carry a small box cutter, just in case a few bullies think they can actually overpower, Mace isn't as effective or Painful, and since in the state of Ohio "Hate Crime" Laws don't apply to gay & lesbians per se.....Better to be prepped...No?

Unfortunately, in the Town I currently live in, they {townies & most students} Equate rainbow with "tree-hugging" hippy-pot smokin' Radical Liberal...

My car has 4 stickers...

1- "My Ferret is Smarter than your Honor Student" with a few ferrets on it for emphasis...

2- "You are NOT alone" in white with a Rainbow in the background..

3- "Keep Honking, I'm Deaf" with 2 thumbs up..

4- "Can I vote on YOUR Marriage now? Civil Marriage IS a Civil Right"

Soon 09-29-2011 11:27 PM

Sooooooooo....I finally put up a small rainbow magnet in my classroom....

....vanished/taken/removed/stolen (?) in the third week of school. (after a grade nine night where parents could see it).

The few coworkers I have discussed this with think it is a student--I disagree.

I think someone from Admin. came in and snatched it away when I called in sick one day.

I am just floored and bought fifty dollars of new magnets and will put another and another and another up.

So pissed.

Tcountry 09-29-2011 11:31 PM

I have the blue/gold HRC equality sticker on the back window of my suv.....pretty safe cause most people round here have no clue what it is...lol

Odarlin 09-30-2011 12:07 AM

Yep, I don't think a lot of straight people necessarily connect the rainbow flag stickers with "GAY". Gay is not on the radar thar.

I live in an area where there are so many gay people, rainbow flag stickers are considered kinda passé.

I have one because I remember the thrill of seeing one in less gay areas I have lived and I’m all passé like that.

It is a cute little rainbow heart fer love, baby.

Ranger Butch Force 09-30-2011 12:18 AM

I have various rainbow items. Flags, stickers, buttons and patches. When I go to Burning Man, I hang one of my rainbow flags on my tent. No one really cares that its there, but its there more as a marker of which tent is mine. So when I come back to camp, drunk, I dont accidentally go in someone elses tent.

The buttons and patches are on my Camelback and hat.

J. Mason 09-30-2011 04:59 AM

Nope not for me.

Tawse 09-30-2011 05:08 AM

I do - not a sticker though, no way. I use a static. But yeah - I love seeing someone "flaggin" so I figure if I do - I'm brightening someones day as well.

I used to wear "in your face" type shirts as well - but not so much on those anymore.

girl_dee 09-30-2011 05:33 AM

I am from the Deep south and flagging is calling attention to yourself in ways you don't really want, however that makes me want to flag even more.

On another thought our community asks for equal rights and to just fit in to society, so flagging seems out of line, like straight folks don't wave the straight flag.. I hope one day it won't even be a thought.......

Tawse 09-30-2011 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajun_dee (Post 428332)
I am from the Deep south and flagging is calling attention to yourself in ways you don't really want, however that makes me want to flag even more.

On another thought our community asks for equal rights and to just fit in to society, so flagging seems out of line, like straight folks don't wave the straight flag.. I hope one day it won't even be a thought.......

Yep - I've had gay bashing incidents (one of the reasons I insist on a fast car) but it won't stop me from saying "we exist".

And I would also say Straight people flag everyday. Walk into most offices and you'll see pictures of their wives/husbands/etc. Walk up to the "water cooler" and you hear open talks about their gf/bf/wife/husband. They make it very well known they're straight - but we don't tend to notice because it's "Normal" everyday stuff.

Write14u 09-30-2011 08:04 AM

I love bumper stickers and reading them, but I hate having them on my vehicle. Absolutely hate them. In the past 15 years, I've had exactly one sticker on any of my vehicles, and that was my dive flag. I'd be more inclined to have something hanging inside.

I've now experienced both ends of the spectrum. I've lived in some of the most backward places in the South, places where you'd get your @ss kicked for putting out a flag. Now, I live in a progressive area with a thriving gay community. It's way cool.

ETA: As far as the theory of them, I'm split. I'm a walking gay billboard anyway. I definitely queer up anyone I'm with, so I don't need to scream it with a bumper sticker. However, I enjoy seeing vehicles with flags on the. It does give you that impression of, hey, not alone in this thing.


Inuus 09-30-2011 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajun_dee (Post 428332)
I am from the Deep south and flagging is calling attention to yourself in ways you don't really want, however that makes me want to flag even more.

On another thought our community asks for equal rights and to just fit in to society, so flagging seems out of line, like straight folks don't wave the straight flag.. I hope one day it won't even be a thought
.......

I can relate to what you posted. Living in Oklahoma you are running the risk of serious conflict if you "flag". I do not deny who I am and in most instances at work especially I am out but to put that "out there" so to speak is asking for harassment and even physical harm to you or your property. I've had it happen to me....so to me it's not always appropriate.

The part of your post that I bolded I agree with 100%. Have said that for years myself.

clay 09-30-2011 10:12 AM

I have lived all over the South...Atlanta,Ga., Fla., and my home state of SC..and I have never, ever had any kind of "retaliation" or harassment, at all, by anyone....with my Pride stickers. I have shared, with discretion, of course, PDA's..and never have I had anyone say anything to me. That is not to say it hasn't happened to others, and could maybe happen to me, but that is my personal choice to show my Pride! I agree with whomever posted about straights "waving" their straight flag..everyday! Kudos! Just my $.02.....carry on

LaneyDoll 09-30-2011 11:38 AM

I don't have anything on my car except for the small Alabama "A" on either back window. (Roll Tide Baby!) They are the same color as the pink personalized tag I have in support of breast cancer and regular mammograms.

My Deep South concerns extend to my children. We live in a super small town where there are a lot of closed minds. Honestly, I do not want my preferences to negatively affect their lives. Tolerance and acceptance have been taught in my home ever since they were babies. I just wish other people taught the same values.


:sparklyheart:

ArkansasPiscesGrrl 09-30-2011 02:02 PM

I have a super faded rainbow strip on my back window, and a pride colored sticker proclaiming "Femme". In the past I have had a leather pride flag too, but I don't have that car anymore.

I also "flag" on ME..... I have a tattoo on my left shoulder, a heart what has rainbow flag stripes on one half of the heart, and leather pride colors on the other. My next tattoo I get (sometime before the end of the year!) will be the pink triangle, bordered by a strong black outline, with an oriental symbol of "women" inside. Can't wait for that one!

(my heart tattoo was one of the things that caught the eye of my last partner. That and my femme bumper sticker. )

I was driving on I-95 a few years ago, and there was a car full of teen boys that came up alongside of me. a few of them had hastily hand drawn signs saying "Fag" and "Queer". I saw them and smiled REALLY big and waved! LOL Not what they expected!

When I first came out, my partner and I lived in a small backwards town, and our house was down the street from a Church of God. My car's rear end was so rusted out, I had to hold it together with all my Pride stickers! The cars coming and going from the church always slowed and the people glared at me. Oh well!

Rockinonahigh 10-01-2011 01:41 AM

On my old suv I had several stickers with rainbows,equality stickers,a pride one..oh and a BF simble I got in dallas.The car im driveing now has nothing on it except a inspection sticker and licence tag...no real reason why I havent put things on it but just never did.

Library_girl 10-01-2011 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Inuus (Post 428418)
I can relate to what you posted. Living in Oklahoma you are running the risk of serious conflict if you "flag". I do not deny who I am and in most instances at work especially I am out but to put that "out there" so to speak is asking for harassment and even physical harm to you or your property. I've had it happen to me....so to me it's not always appropriate.

The part of your post that I bolded I agree with 100%. Have said that for years myself.

I've lived in the South, the Midwest, and now the Golden State in a really gay city. And I've had gay stickers on all my cars since 1989 or so. Plus I have a "gay tattoo". I've never encountered any problems or harassment because of my "flags". (when my dad borrowed my car once, I told him what the stickers meant, and he just shrugged as if to say "so what?" This came from an old guy from the deep south!)

My personal philosophy is that if someone really wants to attack me or say something to me or do something to my car, let them! The possibility of that is not going to stop me from expressing myself or stating who I am.

My sexual orientation IS who I am. I know many LGBT peeps say that its just one part of who they are, it's a part of the whole person. That's cool. But for me, being a lesbian is who I am. Being a femme is who I am too, and being a librarian, and a Southern girl, and a few other things. That's just what identity means to me. So I have decided to express this on my body and my car. (Just like millions of other people do. I love that freedom of speech!) And if someone wants to hurt me, even kill me, because of it, they can go ahead and try. I paraphrase an FDR quote: "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees."

Glenn 10-02-2011 05:15 AM

I once restored an old VW camper van (my passion wagon), and it was my pride and joy. I'd go to the parades every year in Chicago with paint and tell everyone to paint some love and pride on my van. It was covered with symbols and sayings lol! One year, it even led in the parade. My poor van was keyed, had every tire flattened, every window bashed in, hate spray painted over all the love and pride,etc. No problem! I'd just fix the damage. Overall.. more people liked it, gave it the peace sign and smiles, much more than the hate in public. :)

Inuus 10-02-2011 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Library_girl (Post 428892)
I've lived in the South, the Midwest, and now the Golden State in a really gay city. And I've had gay stickers on all my cars since 1989 or so. Plus I have a "gay tattoo". I've never encountered any problems or harassment because of my "flags". (when my dad borrowed my car once, I told him what the stickers meant, and he just shrugged as if to say "so what?" This came from an old guy from the deep south!)

My personal philosophy is that if someone really wants to attack me or say something to me or do something to my car, let them! The possibility of that is not going to stop me from expressing myself or stating who I am.

My sexual orientation IS who I am. I know many LGBT peeps say that its just one part of who they are, it's a part of the whole person. That's cool. But for me, being a lesbian is who I am. Being a femme is who I am too, and being a librarian, and a Southern girl, and a few other things. That's just what identity means to me. So I have decided to express this on my body and my car. (Just like millions of other people do. I love that freedom of speech!) And if someone wants to hurt me, even kill me, because of it, they can go ahead and try. I paraphrase an FDR quote: "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees."

I can see by your post it's very important for you to express yourself as a member of the LGBT community. That it works for you and is part of who you are and to express yourself in that way is great.(Love the Dad story!) However, it doesn't work for everyone. I can relate though when you said "My sexual orientation IS who I am." It's something you strongly identify with and feel a need to express yourself. I on the other hand, identify myself more by being an annoying bastard about animal welfare, especially spay/neuter (I'm known as Bob Barker on steroids and that's one of the nice names). It IS who I am. I willingly put myself sometimes in potentially harmful situations for animals. Thankfully there are those of us that have passions/beliefs/causes we believe in and are willing to lay ourselves open to whatever comes of it.

I did forget to add on my first post I do have one bumper sticker on my truck(and I hate them, took a lot for me to put one on my truck). It's a stick figure of a guy, next to him is his dog, next to the dog is a litter of puppies. It reads: This is Dick, this is Dick's dog, this is Dick's dog's puppies.... Don't be a Dick spay and neuter

Okiebug61 10-02-2011 07:21 AM

I have one sticker on my car that is on the top center back window and it says Okie with the peace sign in the O. Never have been into tagging my vehicles with stickers.

T4Texas 10-02-2011 07:57 AM

I don't like bumperstickers and never have them on my vehicles. With that said, some years ago my GF had the rainbow antenna ball stolen from her car and they also managed to mangle her antenna so badly it had to be replaced. I wouldn't put anything on my vehicle that would entice vandals as I can't afford or desire vandalism. Besides, as someone else said, I am a walking advertisement for being butch, so I don't need no stinkin sticker.

Babyangeleyez 10-02-2011 08:49 AM

I have never been into bumper stickers. My dad laid down the law on them when he bought me my first car over 20 years ago. So, I have a removable rainbow ribbon that says "Support Our Families". I take it on and off depending on where I'm going. I used to date someone that live in a very small town and I would have to cross over a mountain to get there and I always would take it off at night when I traveled to or from there because I was afraid that I would be run off the road. So there is a safety issue for me. But where I live, I will display it. I also have rainbow beads with a rainbow ribbon hanging from my rear view mirror and I have my necklace with the double female charm.

SecretAgentMa'am 10-02-2011 10:07 AM

Yep! We've got a rainbow bar across the top of the trunk, and one that looks like the Superman S, only with an L on a rainbow background. It's hard to describe, but it means SuperLesbian! It's also covering up the car's first ding, which I created the very first time I drove it. :shocking:

We also have a big Pride flag that we flew for our wedding and every year for Pride month.

Elijah 10-02-2011 11:14 AM

I am not big into stickers, but I have always thought it was important to be visible (It's pretty self evident when you see Me, but that's another thread). I usually have one of the window cling appliques, because I too, am concerned with ruining the paint. I always get a little smile when I see one on the road, so I thought I would return the favor.

When I was home owner, I also flew a pride flag. If I were in trouble or My car broke down, or I was simply walking My dog after dark...I would feel better approaching a home flying a queer flag, so again, I returned the favor.

Bad_boi 02-19-2013 06:13 AM

I feel kinda uncomfortable being out and proud. I would put an equals sticker on my car if I had one (I still want one for my laptop).


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