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I'm w/Parker, CCB and Holly
The show is about a HUGE VARIETY of women... I don't know a SINGLE other show anywhere that has this much visibility??!!?? WOC, age, class, background, size, health, butch, lesbian... the list can seriously go ON. There are THAT many. It's cool! I'll take OISTNB visibility of lesbians over the bubblegum BS the "L Word" was promoting ANY DAY! The million dollar lesbians of Southern California? Paaahleeze.... and the "L word" was NEVER FUNNY. So some of the lesbian characters on the show talk about pussy? So what? Lots of lesbians talk about pussy, fucking and enjoy it. What's completely different about OISTNB is that it is not being **wrapped up w/a bow** for the male gaze and heterocentric consumerism. GOOD! I'm glad. Lesbian visibility is important AND lesbian sex is AWESOME!! :heartbeat: lol!! Lesbian Pride is important and sex is part of being a lesbian. |
BF Reunion Dance OFF??
If anyone does the Big Boo Helicopter Dance at the BF Reunion... I expect to see a video of it HERE!
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LMFAO!!! Someone NEEDS to do it now!!!
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Well, I am not sure this site is "promoting " anything specific. However I feel BFP supports (by way of venues discussed here on BFP) a vast gallery of what is reflected in our community. Be that LDR's, people who love puppies and/or kittens, political interest, poems, fisting, BDSM, packing, strapping, flogging and fucking and so much more. Search the forums and you can find multiple topics on all those I mentioned and more so! I don't feel like prison life is glorified in OITNB, and I am fine with the light shed on lesbians being portrayed as they are in this show. I feel the reality of the show is pretty accurate. I have over the past 35 years as an out lesbian on many occasions talked about pussy tasting good, BTW that is not just specifically lesbian related. How to have sex is also discussions I have had with partners, I love the openness of taking about such things, it sure does make things smoother in the fisting department! I do not feel as if this show diminishes my "lesbian pride" with the topics Orange has played out. This show includes straight and lesbian/butch/MTF/bi women together and I LOVE THAT! I look forward to there being more added to that list in time! It is not all slanted one way or the other. Not sure why a prison wife would be any different than saying wife, other than to make obvious they are in a prison setting. I have never been in prison, so some things I cannot speak of or elaborate on......but I am learning. Do I want to go to prison (glorified) because of Orange? Ummm NOPE! Jodi Foster was involved in some of the directing!! <swoon> :tease: I would love to see her have an acting role!! Someone else mentioned about truth, and I don't see any lies being fed to us in that the truth and honesty is not only reflected.....it is projected and I feel it. I hear it. I embrace it as a learning experience. I am reflecting on past relationships because of what I am hearing and seeing, I am relating by being a female first..... SO I am not all consumed by Orange, but fascinated! Yes sex happens in this show, but such is life! And besides, those moments are few and in between the day to day events. I hope you or anyone else who has any doubts would/will watch an episode or two. There have been many times in my life that I did not agree with something as a lesbian, but still supported those events in my life. This is the first season of a developing show and its always a little rough cutting a path. It is tastefully done! I respect that you have your opinion, and that this show seemingly offends you Guy. My opinion being opposite does not make me any less of a feminist, nor has it diminished my lesbian pride. I find it "interesting" that you think it does because I support and promote this show. It is the positive of this show that is appealing to me. |
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Okay, why does Crazy Eyes have so many more votes then any of the other characters? I just find that kinda interesting...
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Because...
We've all thrown our pie for someone.
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I am signing onto Netflix just so I can watch this show! I am hearing so many good things bout it
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This is so true. I love Crazy Eyes because her crazy is hilarious ... chocolate and vanilla swiiirrrrllllll lol ... and then she hits you with some deep poignant shit that makes you look at her in a whole different way. She's a great character and the actress (Uzo Aduba) is super talented. |
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I don't think the L Word necessarily promoted lesbians in the most positive of lights, so I don't quite see how this series differs much. If anything, it's not all about sex, and the L Word tended to be 75% lady-part lovin'. Ya might want to give it a whirl some day. :) |
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Poussey and Big Boo (with little Boo awww) are my favourites, but Miss Claudette's story was the most touching one to me. |
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Any character that can be that funny but that touching at the same time is particularly compelling. And yes, anyone who throws their pie for you is the shit. Quote:
Also--one of the best things about the show is that I don't feel there is one weak character at ALL. I love all of them for different reasons. It was hard for me not click every single when of them when taking the poll LOL. |
Nicki is *totally* my kinda butchie. I dunno if that character would ID that way but holy mary mother of god that gal is HAWT.
super wise cracking smart-ass, a little bit tough on the surface, smudgy black eyeliner, hilarious, dirty flithy fucker with a dirty mouth. Little bit messy, little bit vulnerable. fork. done. Also Poussey. She does make me giggle on the inside. I could totally fall in love with a gal like that. Nicki I would crash for, chemistry to the ceiling, more than likely she'd make me mental and then hurt me (long history with these ones) and then I'd want Poussey to swoop in, be my friend, and kiss it all better, show me some fine, fine lovin' and I'd make her lunches and be her girl. <3 there I've just mapped out my life with the characters on the show that twist my knickers. |
As for the other characters...
Crazy eyes, yeah when I saw her I thought PHWOAR! who's that!!!! And I do like them a little unstable, but that's a bit to crazy, even for me. the peeing on the floor I could handle, no problem - I've dealt with worse. It's the "I threw a pie for you..." in that tone of voice that unnerved me. Plus people that more that fast, freak the shit out of me. But her holding her hand and sharing her headset was super, super sweet and she is incredibly gorgeous. In fact she's damn beautiful. the only characters that puts me off is boo and piper. I dunno, something about the way boo talks *really* puts me off... I wouldn't go there. Piper would be like antimatter to me. Just her whole manner and personality. She's annoying. well, and the southern psychos-clan meth-heads. I can't deal with that kind of stuff. I'd probably scream and swat at them like a big poof. I certainly wouldn't kick Alex out of my bed. I think she'd probably make me say aaaaaaalllllll kinds of things, aaaaaanything she wanted.... It's just so nice to see a program with women in it I'm *actually* attracted to for *once*. I got so excited about that I accidentally watched the whole thing in three days. |
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But I have casual sex, I enjoy other people's bodies, they enjoy mine, we joke about all while knowing that other people are humans. I can appreciate a fine, fine ass AND know that the person it's on has a life and feelings. I have friends that tell me "hey, nice rack barb!" "Fanks!" If I know the person? I don't really care, I've even sent friends some of my work shots (erotic modeling) cause they if really like it, I like my work appreciated. it's really hard work, it's exhausting, the shoots are 12 hours long and there are almost no breaks and I can't get untrussed. So it's actually nice to be told "these shots are great!" etc. Is it objectifying? yes. But I don't find it disrespectful. I find it playful and... they still somehow interact with *me* on some level. That's what I hear in those dialouges. wistful, appreciative, and even with dirty casual sex that happens only one time, you can both connect if you are both present and willing. I still give myself over. So objectification does not have to be clinical, cold or distancing. I know how it feels when someone is *in it* and objectifying, or *not*. the latter is disgusting and feels ick, the former is actually a huge turn on for me. Context is a HUGE part of it. But that's just me. Many people just don't work that way/aren't wired that way, so they don't get it or don't understand. |
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I used to watch Oz. It didn't mean I glorified prison life. I am a lesbian so I get to say what I personally enjoy. We have so few depictions of lesbians on TV, I will take what I can get. Lesbians go to prison. Just like straight people. Just like gays. Just like transfolk. I love that all of us can chose what we like and don't like on TV. My remote sure comes in handy for things like that. |
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I love pie. |
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If you'll notice, there are 40 voters (and 67 votes cast) - so for example, Crazy Eyes is at 50% because she has 20 votes, which is half of those 40 people who voted in the poll. Nicki is 10% because 4 out of the 40 people who voted, voted for her. Does that make sense? In other polls, where you can only vote once (i.e., the veteran thread), the percentages would add up to 100%. |
don't know the channel but have seen the news reels regarding the show...
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KS, not a channel, it's only on netflix, which is a place you stream movies in from:
http://www.netflix.com you get a months free trial and you can watch it in that time ;) I don't have a TV. I only watch shows via piratebay, Project Free TV, Top Documentary Films (.com), you tube, UKdocumentry, BBC iplayer, CBC player, Film4onDemand, and ITVplayer. Film 4 is per movie and netflix is per month, but the rest are all free. I get a UK IP address to watch BBC via tunnel bear which is $5 a month. It's Brilliant. I will never watch TV again. Waste of time. |
I'm waiting for Season 2......
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I love OITNB!!! Saw Alix and first was kinda "Ehh" because I could only see her in "That 70s Show" but then I was like "Okay.. Pretty hot for a femme [or however she would ID]!"
Piper, well, no. That's a whole big mess I wouldn't want any part in! Nicki is pretty rawr! but, honestly? I think she would be too forward/agressive for me. *shrug* Crazy Eyes is total crazy but it really struck a chord deep inside when she asked Piper why people call her Crazy Eyes. I totally wanted to hug her! http://31.media.tumblr.com/38515d71f...3ed5o1_400.gif http://24.media.tumblr.com/b18840f5c...rhdso1_400.gif http://24.media.tumblr.com/2cec69f16...o5hoo3_250.gif Big Boo? Psh, you know if you were her girl she'd totally take care of you [possibly in a controlling, slightly posessive and insanely jealous way..but still..] K, I might be kinda crushing on Big Boo! Must be the seemingly bad boi attitude she has going on. Poussey [did I remember that correctly??] would just be a femme friend for me! I could def see Red being my prison mother LOL She reminds me of my friend's German mother - brutally honest, but once she adopts you, you're in for life. |
I find it entertaining that what was pulled out of my post earlier is "how pussy tastes", which had nothing to do with the core of my post. It is interesting that most of those who replied to my post and find it ok for the references made to be funny and acceptable, are also the same who were not so long ago in the Butch Cock and Old Fashion/Old School threads criticizing the butches for their ideas and discussion about the way they use, feel about, and embrace their butch cock. At that time, it was "horrible" and "dewomanizing" and "degrading towards women" ex: I love when a woman takes my butch cock in her mouth and sucks it. Yet, it is perfectly acceptable for the butches on this show to talk about women in this fashion and it is now considered comedy.
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I did enjoy the first few episodes....although, it's a bit too tame for my taste.
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Hahaha!!!! how did I guess where "Crazy Eyes" was ranked. Hard to pick a favorite on this series though. Crazy Eyes has "heart" I can tell ;)
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I just started watching it again :winky:
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Guy-
We have received several reports about your posts in this thread. Please do not drag drama from one thread to another and derail the conversation. It is not acceptable to try to drum up that conversation again. Everyone in this thread needs to remain respectful. This is a fluffy thread, please let it remain that way! Thanks, Medusa |
No problem. I wasn't really looking for any discussion, and I wasn't trying to start any drama.
I thought this was an adult discusion about the context of the show and was pointing out my views, and past experiences on this subject. If that is a cause for reporting my post than be it. |
It's really interesting to see how other people see the characters in the show.
to me, Alex is Futch. Totally. femme-ish outside coating (dress), but total butch in the way she treats others and the way she moves. she has a certain difference of grace. My radar went BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP when I saw her character. I would so go there. Poussey isn't the slightest bit femme to me at all. I only pick butch up from her mannerisms and movement and interaction. She's soft spoken, gentle and practical, but to my radar and liking, butch. Well, butch-in-my-brain. I do think it's pretty cool though to see other people's perception of gender markers. I know it's very experience and location dependent. Plus some of the "softest" of butches have turned out to have the biggest mofo brain cocks and strangely more old fashioned in some ways than OFOS stone butch I've dated. And guy, dude, maybe the people who were telling you off for that in that thread weren't the same people in this one. Like me. Maybe just bring it up in personal IM if you are confused? that's sincere, since I went on about it. If you wanna ask me a question in pvt, I'm happy to answer. |
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Guy- I was clear about why you were reported. Dragging drama from one thread to another is against TOS, not "pointing out your views". Move along. Thanks. |
As I am re-watching season one, I am thinking ahead to things that are going to happen - I was really torn when Red was ousted from the kitchen. I mean, I really love her character and loved seeing her as head of the kitchen and "mommy" to many; but on the other hand, I loved seeing what led to her getting "fired" from the kitchen and watching the Hispanic group take over after Red was gone - especially how much better the food got after that. lol
I cant remember the name of the woman who became head of the kitchen - I am SO bad with names, she was *just* in episode 1 talking to Daya in Spanish when Saya was all, I dont speak Spanish - that whole exchange with her, Daya, and Piper was funny to me. Seeing that whole scene in episode 1 was what triggered the memory of - oh yeah, she takes over the kitchen later. |
I'm happy to say that Gaige is watching it now too, this makes me happy because now she will know what I'm jabbering on about!
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Spoiler alerts pretty please. I am not finished with season 1 yet.
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I don't find Piper or Alex believable as queer women. I can't put my finger on it, but I just don't.
Now Miss Claudette on the other hand...If someone were to tell me that she were queer in real life - and butch to boot - I would totally believe them. Words |
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I'll be the FIRST to admit that I was a HUGE fan of OZ!! And seriously... a HUGE fan. But OISTNB is based on the book... Orange Is the New Black: My Year in a Women's Prison by Piper Kerman It's based on the experiences of a woman being in prison and specifically a privileged white woman. She's awkward, stumbles, fuck ups CONSTANTLY and learns something about women of all different class, cultures, color, sexuality, abuse, history of drugs, mental health, physical health... the LIST goes on and on. THAT'S FABULOUS!!! There isn't one damn thing w/this many stories of making women visible anywhere else. The stories of each character that slowly pulls you in and has you ROOT for them individually is what makes you wonder who are we going to learn about NEXT??? So as MUCH as I loved OZ... the stories of women is much more fascinating and fun for me personally. And the show is damn funny. lol! |
I am curious as to what story lines people loved the most - doesnt matter if it is couple related or something like what Miss Claudette went through, or Red and her kitchen.
What were your favorite story lines? |
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I know if I dont want to know what is going to happen on Survivor, I stay off of that thread until the episode airs here in my time zone. Same for The Walking Dead and American Horror Story - if I dont want to see what happens, I stay out of those threads until I've seen the season (I usually save those 2 and watch them all at once at the end of the season lol). It sucks to say that and I kinda feel like an asshole putting it out there, but like I said, there is no set start/end date or set night/time for this show and if we wait for *everyone* to see it before we talk about it, we will be waiting forever! :( Bygones? :) |
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Which one on the list is Big Boo??? :police::police:
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I don't expect anyone to wait for me. What I meant was that usually in threads folks just put a header "spoiler alert" if specific plots are discussed but you are right, it isn't like it is a weekly show on a specific night. I"ll just wait till I'm caught up. PS: no golden flounce intended:) PSS: you are not being an asshole either. :rrose: |
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