I haven't been with many people, since I transitioned, but...... I'm certainly willing to please my lover any way that we both find mutually enjoyable. I've definitely had oral sex with a woman before my transition, and enjoyed it. I like pleasing my partners, and i doubt that that has changed.

I'm teasing, Texan, I'm teasing...

This is an interesting thread, I've often thought I am a rare breed..I am not fond of labels and yet I've embraced a few...I'm an Old School Lesbian butch who is also cock id'd. In getting to know someone, the usual questions are asked and when delving into the relationship territory you explore the likes and dislikes of each other.

I am a woman and in being so I embrace all of who I am, this is often met with surprise, because it seems that there are alot of "butches" who don't at which I myself am surprised, but respect everyone's choice. I love when a woman embraces the totality of me, my mind, my heart and my body. I'm a lesbian and I enjoy the feel of a woman, and I love how she touches me and makes me feel. We naturally all have our preferences and I am no different I certainly prefer a woman's hand caressing me.

So, as we each share the same world but travel different paths, let's not only explore to understand but accept the differences in each of us.

lol............

~ oy ~ I don't know what to say ~ in this thread ~ lol ~I ^ 5 all your honesty and applaud that you know who you are ~ I think the dynamics change with your partners desires, as theirs do with yours ~ just make love ~~~~~ :)

Warning: I came out very late in life, and don't consider myself a lesbian, as I am only attracted to butches and masculine presenting female bodied or genderqueer individuals.

I am predominantly attracted to certain power and energy dynamics within the butch/femme continuum.

To me:it's really about finding someone completely hot and having this incredible electric connection than body parts and sexual acts. I find butches extremely hot, and certain power dynamics extremely hot, so giving oral sex, in that particular context, is something I enjoy doing.

I've been mostly with soft butches with a few hard butches who never i.ded as butch but were certainly qualifying.

I've never been with a Stone butch but if I were with someone who didn't like to receive oral sex I wouldn't miss the act as long as I could caress and explore their body, and give them pleasure in ways that they enjoyed.

"Sometimes She Lets Me" by Alison L. Smith And I always love it when they let me. :)

Wow. I might let you. When you put it like that.

My pick-up line used to be, "Do you want to date me?" "I'll let ya."

This is just me
 

I find that the way someone gets off, or how they identify or relate to their pussy/cock and thier comfort level is totally up to them and I've never found this to be a problem. It's up to those two ppl to determine what works for them and if they're sexually compatible. It does not make me feel like youre less of a butch if you call it a pussy, if you love oral or if you even like penetration.

That being said, I'm a femme who has loved many a butch pussy in various ways that were specific to that person and I'm more than willing to please in any way that they enjoy.

Wow!

I'm floored at the comment made.

I identified fully as a lesbian 3 years of my life. I now don't feel the label fits me,one of the reasons being the intolerance I experienced and still do in lesbian space, looking the way I do and not being perceived as femme because not having the visible marks I am supposed to wear to be flagged as such.


During the time I identified 100% as a lesbian, I had butch lovers and this is the time and experience I drew from when responding to the post.

I also put a big warning. If being a lesbian is a woman loving women, as you so defined it, then I am a lesbian at this point and time. However I am also attracted to people who are female-bodied but in between genders. At this point of my life, this is what I like and what I am attracted to. So did I interact with lesbian butch pussy? Yes. Did I identify as a femme lesbian? Yes.
Do I now identify as a femme lesbian? Yes, but not exclusively, because the attraction to trans people and a few ( gasp ) men.

I think, in the future, it would be advisable for people who think talking about a lesbian experience but not identifying as lesbian is unacceptable to say so in the title of their post.

Off to my local lesbian bar!

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I wish to be clear that this post is not in direct reply to ANY preceding post in particular but rather a general unease about how difficult it is to discuss certain topics and to make a proposal as to why that happens. I doubt any of my theory is original or new to most of you.

Simply, I confess: I am confused.
Seems most folks know what they like (after they've tried it) but problems arise when they give it and themselves a name/label. Not terribly surprising when definition has become a free-for-all and folks insist on the right to make up their own.
Even when terms are largely agreed upon, we bend over backwards to avoid questioning outliers or self definitions that defy logic and/or coherency. We don't want to hurt feelings so we nod supportively at every personal definition even when it seems like babble and serves no communicative purpose except stringing buzz words together.

Am I completely off base? Sometimes it seems to me that there's a cottage industry out there creating ever more convoluted definitions of stuff we already know.

I've been a "lesbian", having sex with women for over 50 years now. For me, it's never been more complicated than that. As for whether they were butch or femme? Lotta times it was too dark to tell.

It's just occurred to me that I may have completely misunderstood this entire thread. If that's the case, I figure someone will set me straight and till then I ask indulgence.:o

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bumping the thread to get read and keep it going for lesbian IDs to interact in.

OK..I have followed this thread with interest and intrigue since it started. However, I didn't post because I felt silenced (or isolated is better to describe how I felt kinda left out) as well as confused....

Please read my tone as questioning...not confrontational...
I identify as Femme...I am a proud woman who loves women (not attracted to ALL women, but my primary attraction is to other women)....I never have and do not Identify as Lesbian or Dyke. The reason I do not is because of the hate and stigma that I grew up with about such identities and lifestyles. If I happened to use those terms in reference to myself in the past, its because I felt the need pressed upon me by the LGBTQ Community to conform or else be made to feel less than. ...I was hated by the het world if they thought I was a lesbian, then made to feel NOT LESBIAN ENOUGH by certain long term lesbian members of our very own Community. ....It took me many years to come to terms with that and to comfortably embrace Femme and what it means to define me.

The women I have been with have identified as Soft Butch (my first g\f who cringed if you called her lesbian or dyke but LOVED her identity as Soft Butch and loved her Femmes); Gay Female (who felt negative things when identifying as butch or lesbian but stated she was only comfortable being rreferred to as a Gay Female); a Woman that loves Women (who hated the term lesbian when used to address herself or her lover); and
an Androgynous Woman (who also didn't claim lesbian)...

I have also dated a Transgender Butch. Neither one of the above liked to refer to their genitals as pussy or cunts because it made them feel gross and objectified (I am speaking for those I have been intimate with, no one else). I as a Femme am very attracted to certain women and am not stone, also cringe at the word pussy because of the disgusting and objectifying way that bio males have directly referred to Me. Or calling me or my lover of choice "a pussy". ....leaves me with a feeling that I have to duck my head every time I hear that word.

I also want to sometimes yell....HEY, I am a lesbian by YOUR definition, but I just don't claim it for personal reasons. Why am I made to feel like I am not lesbian enough?

The women I have been with are also lesbians (several butch, others "tomboy" or androgynous) by outside definitions. Why are they made to cringe if they either are referred to as such or if they don't claim it?

TRUST ME!! If given the "yes, I like it, I love it, I want more of it!"...I would and will dive right in and lavish them with so much attention they will break the headboard grabbing it as they buck and kick, begging for release.

If I happen to be with a woman or transgender person that ID's as Stone, I would never gross their boundaries nor ask to.

How is it I offend to participate in a discussion about an activity or subject I enjoy simply because I have never identified as Lesbian? And how is it that I don't qualify to pparticipate because NONE of the women lovers I have had identify as lesbian?

Again I have that tight chested feeling that I am not lesbian enough.

And I don't understand Kobi's post referencing individuals being offensive because they don't consider themselves as lesbian or even female. (That's a statement not a question) The Transgender Butch I once dated said they acknowledged their history as a woman butch that loved other women and didn't feel right erasing their history or feelings simply because they currently embrace their transgender journey and identity.

Now I know why I hadn't previously posted in this thread the intimate details of how I enjoy pleasing my women....

TruTexan...I mean no disrespect. My previous post took me too long on my new tablet then I had to try again...in the mean time you posted the above...Now I'm really confused. This is in the Butch Zone and now appears it belongs in the Lesbian Zone.

I am a non-stone Femme that would lavish in giving oral to my Butch or "Gay Female" as I note above, but I seriously do not feel like I belong in your "lesbian circle".

And in reference to your statement above about people that "do not even ID as lesbian"...unbeknownst to you or others, they may have walked in their life as lesbian at one time or have a hard time claiming that term. Please don't erase them or their journey...or inadvertently make us feel invalid. Just because you don't see them as lesbian, doesn't mean their feelings or previous experience isn't valid to your subject or stories about them as a female\woman having sex with other women,

I placed this in in the butch zone because we are lesbian butches here. We ID as both and because we are butch and talking about butch pussy and the femmes that love us it belongs EXACTLY right here where i placed it. Period.
I am the OP and this is where I want the thread to belong because I believe it belongs here because we are talking about lesbianBUTCH PUSSY. Period.
If I had posted in the lesbian zone then someoen like you would probably disturb the flow here and say hey this doesn't belong in the lesbian zone because it's about lesbian BUTCH pussy and lesbian femmes that love us.
I hope you get this and understand it now. I wish not to discuss this matter. It's now a closed matter to me. Thank you.

Thoughts on pussy
 

You know what fucking irks me to the core? When people (general) deem "pussy" as gross, not valid, not ok to talk about... That's some woman hate and internal issues surrounding butch pusssy, vagina, cunt or pussy in general.

It irks me because when dick is being shoved down our proverbial throats via threads, posts, poems, erotica society no one says a god damn thing.


I'm glad that this pussy owning manifesto space is here, it's glorious, it's hot and it deserves to be discussed, appreciated, and lusted after, it's about time!


Isn't it odd how Femme pussy is dandy, no one ewwws that, oh wait sometimes we have when it's femme on femme, pussy is always eewwwed when convenient.

I meant no disrespect and kindly requested my tone be read as questioning and stated I was confused. Thank you for clarifying. My intent was never to disturb the flow. I stated I am a non-stone Femme that has loved her Butch Women.. You have clearly defined that I am not welcome in this conversation because I don't and my lovers don't identify as lesbian. Back in a little box I go...
Enjoy

It also irks me to the core also (exactly how explained above). However, if the woman I am intimate with doesn't llike the term, I don't use it. I don't like the term used in reference to me because I've been called it to objectify me or my woman lovers. I can't disrespect my butch women lovers who don't want the term used for themselves. As for the "dick being shoved down..."...every time I read or hear such, it makes me want to puke...but no one wants to hear my calling them out or would even "hear me" as to why it isn't right in a Lesbian Butch thread or even a woman only thread,

I had several valid questions and stated I was confused. I wasn't looking to be made to feel even less welcome or less than.

I believe it is glorious to claim it and own it...as well as discuss with PRIDE.

Thank you very much and kindly, Kobi. I can certainly respect all that has been directed and clarified to me.

Read through it twice..
 

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Originally Posted by Nat
I enjoy butch cunts way more than butch pussies

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Originally posted by Jet

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I believe this is the invasion, and since it didn't get reported or asked to clarify, we may want to ask for clarification or about intent...


It's the only male entity I read in here, am I wrong?

Thank you. Now that I see the example, I do see that as an invasion. However -I shouldn't mention this in public, but so I may answer you directly - I can not report such because I have the quoted individual on ignore. I wasn't being complaicent , I had a valid reason for "not seeing" the invasion.

Originally I loved the idea of this topic. Now it seems very unappealing. Everyone's offended or feels unaccepted... Watching this evolve has been unattractive to say the least. I'm new so I don't really know how all this works here at BFP but I saw a topic I could relate to so I posted. I read all the posts before posting and I kind of wished I didn't. I included the word cock because I noticed some had preffered this word... I have no expirence in that yet I was trying to be respectful.

It's hard to be exclusive when you have to be inclusive

I sincerely apologize if my participation has made you feel this way. My intent was asking for clarification on how I fit in as Femme and how my women lovers fit in...and to get an understanding of how my participation would/might be offensive since I don't directly identify as lesbian (neither do any of my previous women lovers.) It wasn't until an example was given that I was aware of the incident where someone who identifies as male "changed the space".

Kenna, you make a valid point. I am with kobi in that this is a thread about women period in the truest form.. I"m sorry if I misread you, it was not my intent. I want you to feel welcome here because you are a woman, even though you don't ID as a lesbian, but you are still a woman loving a woman. I was not trying to exclude you and I did do a fair job explaining all the things in my head that I wanted to say.
I hope this helps clarify more for you. This is women's space here and only for women, not for male or men. WE need our own space and it needs to be respected and not intervened with by those that make fun of or say mysogynystic and sexist things here, it's not fun to be erased, disrespected and the thread interrupted by them.

Thank you. I appreciate you and the space.

I like it :P Sadly there are not too many butches I have met that are interested in FTM's. When I find them its a fun time. No matter what parts.

oyyyyy.. I don't think I can bear to read what's bound to come next. Maybe you should have read up into the thread first, Bad_boi.

Oh it's not like that at all. I'm speaking on everything as a whole. No apology needed. You're free to speak your mind, and share your related expirence. I didn't make the thread, but I do enjoy butch pussy and wanted to add to the thread and read about other who do as well. There's not much of that going on