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http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/l...he-plane-crash

http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/t...t-the-building

If this was so easy, for a private pilot to do something like this, how long will it be before a real terrorist cell figures that out? It's like we give them a road map.

CNN has just reported that it's being termed an "act of rage" and not terrorism. Not sure if that is true or not, just that they have said it now. Also, that they have found a body inside the building. It's not clear to me if they have finished going through the building. So many people in there, and while work hours were in the full throes. Hope there are no more found inside.

Thanks, bro. Man....this bullshit is getting a lil too close. :explode:

Has anyone heard from "WickedPassion" (Mitch)...the last I heard hy was still in Austin and was a fire-fighter, EMT?? I don't think he has jumped over to the BFP yet. Probably still looking for a woman that's not bat-shit crazy. I know he is a first responder.
If anyone hears from hym...would you post it please?
And, yes ~Bo, this bullshit is getting way too close.

I think they're still sorting details. I've heard (at least) 2 different stories regarding the house fire...the 1st is that he set fire to the home knowing his wife and daughter were inside. The 2nd was that he took his daughter to a hotel around 2am (there was no mention of his wife with this scenario). The local news had just started reporting on the house fire when the plane hit the Echelon building.

I haven't heard from Mitch, but from what I understand, no fire fighters, EMTs or police officers have been reported as injured. But I'll let you know if I hear anything.

I was referring to people being afraid on this site of posting something copied from the web. It was just a thought....

R

I have read his rant as some have called it. I have read what is being said here. I hope that you never have a run in with the IRS or another govt. agency. I, as a self employed contractor can understand what he is saying completely.

I truly hope no one else dies as a result' but this man is a brave american who has fought to be heard by a govt. that does not listen to or care about its people. His act was againist a govt. completely out of control and run by big business. greed is what it is all about. if you get in the way. tough, they will roll over you with a steamroller.

you have the right and are implored by the constitution, to rise up against a govt. out of control and this govt. is certainly that.

I wonder what some of you would have said back in 1776. when brave americans rose up against taxation without representation? would you have considered them brave americans or terrorists?


govt. works for the people when they fear the people. this govt. knows that most americans are sheep. that is evident by some remarks here. But they fear the wolves who will stand and fight. hence the FBI trying to shut down his posting.


It is another sad day in a long history of govt. gone bad.

love my country but i fear its govt.

wolfwalker

You're kidding, right? HE SET HIS FAMILY'S HOUSE ON FIRE. He committed an act of terrorism against office people who HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM.

Don't even compare it to 1776. They rose up against the British SOLDIERS, not their own families. I doubt anyone in that building was packing heat this morning in case a PLANE CRASHED INTO THE BUILDING. I doubt his family was packed and ready to go in case Dad got a yen to burn the place down to "prove his point to the IRS."

And then he killed himself and left his family to deal with his mess.

Brave? Not so much.

premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;

By definition this guy was a domestic homegrown terrorist. No different than McVeigh. His purpose was political, premeditated and he his targets were noncombatant. Call it what it is. The workers who went to work this morning trying to feed their own families were innocent victims. Not tools in some great master plan. Sometimes terrorism is a crime. This was a crime which is why the FBI is involved. McVeigh committed a crime. The underwear dude committed a crime.

A wise friend once said that the insanity defense required the inability to distinguish the consequence of actions. Or the authorship of a manifesto. Word.

I am a sole proprietor and the Feds do get up my ass from time to time. And I work it out like an adult. I'd rather cross swords with the IRS than have the asshats at Chase or American Express darken my doorway every single time.

Are you kidding me!!! Goofy is right. This is the MOST cowardice act someone can do. I can only hope and pray that the only life he took was his own pathetic one.

As an aside. I wonder if this guy was an active voter. I mean..if we REALLY want CHANGE? Get off your lazy ass and VOTE people!!!

Do you know what a low percentage of our country actually votes?? It's insane..

If you dont vote...dont BITCH!!


Irish

and the sheep march on.

what about the 6000 plus soldiers dead.plus all those who will never return to a normal life. who come home from war and end up homeless and uncared for? hmmmmm anyone out there trying to stop wars that make no sense?

amazing, just simply amazing.

you all believe every detail put out there by a govt. known to lie,cheat and steal from their people.

also amazing how quickly people will jump on and defend people from other countries taking action against their govt. but when an american does it. its home grown terrorism.

you all need to open your eyes and start looking at whats going on right here in this country. but you won't do that till the govt. can no longer keep you afloat and docile. when shit starts breaking down and you are affected. long as they keep you fat and happy, yup its homegrown terrorism. till you are the one getting fucked over. then you too will become a home grown terrorist.

but you won;t call it that then, then it will be about you and your families survival.

There is nothing.....and I mean NOTHING that can justify what this asswipe did.

Come on!!! Killing innocent people because you're pissed at the gov't. No excuse in the world for that. EVER!!

You don't, by any chance, own a plane, do you?


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I'm done with you. Perhaps it is because this is my hometown. Perhaps it is because it happened minutes from my child's school.

This is not about what the government did or did not do to him. This is about handling it like a grown ass adult and not taking it out on defenseless, innocent people who have a reasonable expectation that they can go to work and not have a plane intentionally rammed into their building.

Fat and happy? Didn't he have a private plane? He sounds pretty fat and happy and white to me.

You, however, are baiting this thread with your nonsense.

coughblacksheepcough

baiting??? hardly. I am speaking what i know to be true.oh wqait, thats right if someone does not agree with you. its baiting. remember the first amendment?

Yeah, 'cuz voting works


Isn't That How We Ended Up With George W's First Reign Of Terror?,
Dylan

Aren't we doing this right now?

In Iraq, Afghanistan, and covertly in other places in the world?

Didn't we do this in Libya, Israel, India, Guatemala, Colombia, Venezuela, Honduras, Nicaragua, Mexico, Palestinian terretories, Iran, Syria, Germany, Russia, well...just name a country besides England and maybe Canada


Dylan

True.
But what about the numbers of people who came out and voted for Obama?

And just for the record, this type of plane costs less than most new cars. It's not some 'high on the hog' luxury liner. It's a cheap little plane.

And there's NO 'assumed safety' when going to work...just as there's no 'assumed safety' when getting into One's car and driving on the roads.


Dylan

Maybe it was the high cost of water these days that drove people from their homes and into voting booths


I Mean, Bush Really Did Fuck Things Up, No?,
Dylan

You mean the 1st amendment that states "Congress shall pass no law...."?


His plane, a piper cherokee, averages $30-40,000 for a plane that's 30 years old. Don't forget to add insurance, maintenance and storage fees since it obviously was not parked in his driveway. Maybe not a luxury liner, but far from cheap.

So everyday you go to work, you expect someone with a grievance to fly a plane into your place of work? I know I sure don't. I think it's fairly safe to say that most people don't have that fear.

OK. So let me get this straight. You believe what this ass did was ok? And you believe it was ok because he was pissed at the US Gov't.

And are you saying that you would do the same thing if you got made enough? Cause that's what it's sounding like to me.

I wonder if you'd feel ok about this if it was YOUR family member who was one of his victims.

It's wrong to kill innocent people here and it's wrong to kill them in other countries. At no point is the person who perpetrates such a crime "brave" or "a hero". Unfortunately a certain portion of this country watches a supposedly fair and balanced bunch of clowns fabricating news events every day. Their leaders seem to be a racist bigoted radio announcer and a deranged television host who sounds more like a 8 year old cry baby than anything else. According to those guys it's everybody's fault but our own for our own circumstance. It's the communists. It's the terrorists. It's the liberal media. It's the Muslims. It's the Hollywood actors. I heard Glenn Beck blame Tim freaking Robbins the other day. As long as we propagate hate and fail to embrace responsibility we will continue down this path. That includes taking responsibility for Blackwater and every one of those criminals going to jail for their crimes. That means rogue service personnel being held responsible for their actions. That means CIA and FBI operatives being held responsible for their actions and that means the politicians and bureaucrats that authorize that sort of behavior being held accountable for it.

That being said, I believe the Obama Administration had an amazing chance to hold a lot of criminals accountable for their actions and pussed out. I think Dick Cheney is a war criminal, I think John Yoo is a war criminal and I think Donald Rumsfeld is a war criminal. And that's just the short list.

The numbers I saw on used planes were much lower than the ones you found.

Hit by a plane? Not necessarily. But an 'assumption of safety'? No, I don't have an assumption of safety at my job. When I worked in construction, an 'assumption of safety' would get me killed, missing a limb, burned, missing a finger, etc. There's no 'assumption of safety'. I also worked with criminals. So, no...no assumption of safety there. I also worked with a number of unstable alcoholics...no safety there. There's no safety when you're working 50 stories up in the air, with unstable alcoholic criminals handling hot tar at temperatures over 600 degrees Fahrenheit.

Mahhh Woman who has a completely different type of job than construction has absolutely NO 'assumption of safety' and very often runs the risk of suffering the retribution of some pissed off citizen. Bomb threats in her building are quite frequent. She has even had to have police escorts as have many of her coworkers. Some of her coworkers have even had 24hour police protection. My girlfriend has also been evacuated from many government buildings other than the one she works in because of bomb threats. So, no...no assumption of safety.

Many government employees who deal with people's lives DON'T have an 'assumption of safety' at their jobs.

Nor do many hospital workers, police officers, emts, fire fighters, car mechanics, most factory workers, electricians, the ever popular postal workers, etc. Health insurance workers are also targeted frequently.

A friend of mine who works for a social justice non-profit also has been evacuated three times in the last two weeks by bomb threats. The two weeks before that, her building was on lockdown because of a shooter. So, no...no assumption of safety.

And then we get to courthouse workers including judges, lawyers, baliffs, etc who are often the targets of retaliation from pissed off citizens.

And the ever popular airport workers who are now dealing with bombs in shoes and underpants.

Human resources workers are also targeted frequently, because they mess with people's lives.

And this wasn't the IRS building where people just plug your 1040 return numbers into some database somewhere. These were the IRS workers who freeze your accounts. These are government workers who really disrupt people's lives, so I can assume (based on my girlfriend's experience as a government worker who disrupts people's lives but NOT to the extent of the IRS) that this isn't the first time these folks have dealt with some sort of retaliation.

When you're in a position in which you have control over people's lives, you can expect that people are going to get reallllly pissed off. Yeah, planes don't fly into buildings everyday (but loooorrrrrrdy be when they do, people flip the fuck out), but that doesn't mean that retaliation isn't undertaken everyday...especially toward those who have power and control over other people's finances, health, welfare, food, children, families, housing, livelihood, etc.


Dylan

my family members have been victims of violence. my mother was shot and killed in front of me when i was 4 yrs. old. my father being a police officer was shot and almost died protecting the citizens of this country. he also fought in ww2. i have family members who were killed and some injuried doing their jobs.

that being said, i did not act out in violence as a result. any more questions?

Amen, someone finally said it.

But wait..

Are you all not looking at the real glitch behind this?
Here is the Pilots manifesto
http://www.benpadiah.com/otherstuff/JoeStack.pdf

If you have no idea what he is talking about, man oh man wake up and smell the epic shit storm comin. Your government owns you.

Scream conspiracy theorist all you want, its not a theory with proof :http://mirror.wikileaks.info/