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UofMfan 06-05-2010 09:43 PM

Good news!
 
Arizona Elementary School Will Whiten The Faces Of Its Own Students On A Mural Because Some Racists Yelled At It [UPDATE]

Jason Linkins HuffPost Reporting

UPDATE: Good news. The gutless, carbound racists lost, and the mural is being restored to its "original theme." Jeff Lane, the principal of Miller Valley Elementary School, and Kevin Kapp, the school superintendent, showed up at a protest today to apologize for giving in to whims of mentally deranged adults, spewing racial epithets at a painting:

I am not a racist individual, but I will tell you depicting a black guy in the middle of that mural, based upon who's President of the United States today and based upon the history of this community, when I grew up we had four black families - who I have been very good friends with for years - to depict the biggest picture on that building as a black person, I would have to ask the question, 'Why?'

Yes. WHY DID SOMEONE PUT A BLACK PERSON ON A PAINTING? You "have" to "ask" the "question!"

Anyway, Steve Blair lost too, and I am delighted.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_601436.html

Diva 06-05-2010 09:47 PM

I believe there must be SOME connection between AZ's SB 2010 (are those the numbers?) and BP's oil spill.........

I'm pretty sure of it.






AtLast 06-05-2010 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Diva (Post 123665)
I believe there must be SOME connection between AZ's SB 2010 (are those the numbers?) and BP's oil spill.........

I'm pretty sure of it.



How about oil rig worker jobs are high paying and mostly held by skilled, white males.... yanno. The ones that don't seem to want the low pay, crop picking ones that mega-bucks argricultural corporations offer migrant workers. Just the legal, ones, of course... they never bring undocumented workers over the borders in the back of trucks like they were cattle.

But! BP did hire unskilled workers, mostly Latino to clean LA beaches during Obama's prior visit to LA. Only on a temporary basis, however, they were there only while the President was, haven't been back. Rumor has it that they were not even LA residents just like the private security companies BP hired to keep the press off the beaches and await from the marshes. Yanno, the public beaches in which during a time of emergency, the state of LA would have full control over...

Freaking BP couldn't even pay local unemployed residents to do their scams with! As if there are not a ton of people there right now unable to fish! Oh, then there is the millions BP has put into ads to tell people how much they are going to do in the clean-up….

How's that? Kind of a stretch, but the only things I could come up with...

UofMfan 06-07-2010 08:07 AM

Here you go HSIN:

Arizona school sorry for wanting lighter kids' faces on mural
maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_new...faces-on-mural

By the way, Maddows FB page has some interesting comments on this story, including this one:

Christopher John Cuthbertson
"Stick to the gulf issue Maddow, not nonsense like this !"

dreadgeek 06-07-2010 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UofMfan (Post 123660)
Arizona Elementary School Will Whiten The Faces Of Its Own Students On A Mural Because Some Racists Yelled At It [UPDATE]

Jason Linkins HuffPost Reporting

UPDATE: Good news. The gutless, carbound racists lost, and the mural is being restored to its "original theme." Jeff Lane, the principal of Miller Valley Elementary School, and Kevin Kapp, the school superintendent, showed up at a protest today to apologize for giving in to whims of mentally deranged adults, spewing racial epithets at a painting:

I am not a racist individual, but I will tell you depicting a black guy in the middle of that mural, based upon who's President of the United States today and based upon the history of this community, when I grew up we had four black families - who I have been very good friends with for years - to depict the biggest picture on that building as a black person, I would have to ask the question, 'Why?'

Yes. WHY DID SOMEONE PUT A BLACK PERSON ON A PAINTING? You "have" to "ask" the "question!"

Anyway, Steve Blair lost too, and I am delighted.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_601436.html

Isn't it always the case that when some twit is advocating some racist or racially charged perspective that they ALWAYS have one or two convenient 'black friends' who, if the speaker is pressed, always agrees with the racist sentiment or doesn't think it is racist? I think this guy's definition of 'friend', at least vis a vis black people, is "I don't call them names, I acknowledge their existence at the grocery store, and I didn't move or call the police the moment they moved in to the neighborhood".

The thing I want to know is how bad does it have to get before people stop saying that ANY opposition to racist laws, actions or people is 'playing the race card'? It seems that 'playing the race card' applies to any such opposition for 20 or 30 years after the incident. So right now, we are FINALLY far enough removed from the civil rights movement that it is no longer playing the race card.

"Making trouble" = "being uppity" = "creating racial tension" = "playing the race card"

AtLast 06-07-2010 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dreadgeek (Post 124863)
Isn't it always the case that when some twit is advocating some racist or racially charged perspective that they ALWAYS have one or two convenient 'black friends' who, if the speaker is pressed, always agrees with the racist sentiment or doesn't think it is racist? I think this guy's definition of 'friend', at least vis a vis black people, is "I don't call them names, I acknowledge their existence at the grocery store, and I didn't move or call the police the moment they moved in to the neighborhood".

The thing I want to know is how bad does it have to get before people stop saying that ANY opposition to racist laws, actions or people is 'playing the race card'? It seems that 'playing the race card' applies to any such opposition for 20 or 30 years after the incident. So right now, we are FINALLY far enough removed from the civil rights movement that it is no longer playing the race card. "Making trouble" = "being uppity" = "creating racial tension" = "playing the race card"



Yes, how long? And it makes me crazy to hear ... I have friends that are ____________ (fill in the blank). La-De-Fucking Da!!

So very much is being lost because of the acting-out of having our first African American president. It is not lost on me that Obama continues to refuse to do anything in which whites can say ... see, he's just another angry black man... The stuff around his not displaying emotion about the Gulf spill is indicative of this. He ran the entire campaign with this on his mind....

AtLast 06-07-2010 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by UofMfan (Post 123317)
Random, it is pretty sickening. Racism is alive and well in North America. It just seems to me that there is a new wave of it and the scary part is that this time around they are actually proud of it and taking it to the streets and it is deep in government.

HSIN, I haven't seen it anywhere else but HuffPo and the Marion Observer. This is one of the problems, mainstream media is not covering this mostly because those who own it are in on it. My opinion.

U, you have hit it for me... it is the pride in racism that seems different to me.

I knew that with the financial crisis and recession, we would see an upsurg in bold racist statements, actions, etc. along with obama being elected. But, whoa...

dreadgeek 06-07-2010 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AtLastHome (Post 124967)
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Yes, how long? And it makes me crazy to hear ... I have friends that are ____________ (fill in the blank). La-De-Fucking Da!!

So very much is being lost because of the acting-out of having our first African American president. It is not lost on me that Obama continues to refuse to do anything in which whites can say ... see, he's just another angry black man... The stuff around his not displaying emotion about the Gulf spill is indicative of this. He ran the entire campaign with this on his mind....

Susan:

If my Spock-like demeanor is ever frustrating to you, just remember the above paragraph. My entire professional and much of my personal life has been built-on and predicated upon having very close control of (and awareness of so I *CAN* control) my emotions. My career would come to a sudden and crashing halt if I developed a reputation as the 'angry, black lesbian'. If I let my emotions out to play in casual company I wouldn't be where I am today and I wouldn't be where I'm headed tomorrow. I know that.

In fact, when I am in a long-term relationship with a white woman (as I am now) one thing I will let her know, fairly early on, is that there is a shell that I wear that is almost always on in public. It's not conscious and has its own momentum at this point. It's so ingrained, in fact...well, let me tell you a short anecdote.

In my first job in the computer industry, back in 1994, I ended up at IGC Networks (PeaceNet, EcoNet, LaborNet, WomensNet). As a non-profit on the side of the angels, I was NOT the only black woman at the organization--although I was the only black woman working in tech. One day Deborah, Tracy and I (the three black women) were sitting in what passed as our lunch room. Deborah was telling us one of her stories and because it was just us there, we all let our language slip into the vernacular. This guy George came into the lunchroom and, in mid-sentence Deborah code-switched and dropped back into very precise diction and grammar. We followed her without missing a beat and still laughed at the joke. George, because he was a very hip, liberal guy who had really done some anti-racism work, recognized what had happened and said something about it, being very apologetic that he had interrupted. Deborah looked at him and said "It's cool, George. We know you're down. But this isn't something we can help, it just happens. There's a voice for when it's just black folks and there's a voice for when white folks come in the room. The only reason any of us work here is because switching between the two is second nature."

I get Obama. He can't afford to have his emotions show for the same reason that Condi Rice can't, or Colin Powell, or Eric Holder or myself--in fact, Oprah is the only black person of that kind of stature who *can* let her emotions out and then, only *certain* emotions. If you want to know how important this is, you need look no further than one Alan Keyes. He says all the right conservative things, he shows up at all the right conservative people, he has disowned his lesbian daughter to burnish his conservative cred but he's too emotional in public. All the difference in the world.

Cheers
Aj

AtLast 06-07-2010 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreadgeek (Post 124974)
Susan:

If my Spock-like demeanor is ever frustrating to you, just remember the above paragraph. My entire professional and much of my personal life has been built-on and predicated upon having very close control of (and awareness of so I *CAN* control) my emotions. My career would come to a sudden and crashing halt if I developed a reputation as the 'angry, black lesbian'. If I let my emotions out to play in casual company I wouldn't be where I am today and I wouldn't be where I'm headed tomorrow. I know that.

In fact, when I am in a long-term relationship with a white woman (as I am now) one thing I will let her know, fairly early on, is that there is a shell that I wear that is almost always on in public. It's not conscious and has its own momentum at this point. It's so ingrained, in fact...well, let me tell you a short anecdote.

In my first job in the computer industry, back in 1994, I ended up at IGC Networks (PeaceNet, EcoNet, LaborNet, WomensNet). As a non-profit on the side of the angels, I was NOT the only black woman at the organization--although I was the only black woman working in tech. One day Deborah, Tracy and I (the three black women) were sitting in what passed as our lunch room. Deborah was telling us one of her stories and because it was just us there, we all let our language slip into the vernacular. This guy George came into the lunchroom and, in mid-sentence Deborah code-switched and dropped back into very precise diction and grammar. We followed her without missing a beat and still laughed at the joke. George, because he was a very hip, liberal guy who had really done some anti-racism work, recognized what had happened and said something about it, being very apologetic that he had interrupted. Deborah looked at him and said "It's cool, George. We know you're down. But this isn't something we can help, it just happens. There's a voice for when it's just black folks and there's a voice for when white folks come in the room. The only reason any of us work here is because switching between the two is second nature."

I get Obama. He can't afford to have his emotions show for the same reason that Condi Rice can't, or Colin Powell, or Eric Holder or myself--in fact, Oprah is the only black person of that kind of stature who *can* let her emotions out and then, only *certain* emotions. If you want to know how important this is, you need look no further than one Alan Keyes. He says all the right conservative things, he shows up at all the right conservative people, he has disowned his lesbian daughter to burnish his conservative cred but he's too emotional in public. All the difference in the world.

Cheers
Aj



Oh, I get what you are saying, Aj. I just feel sad that anyone has to do so much personal holding back due to race. It happens with ethnicity, too, which I believe robs people of identity. Then, again.... that's racism!

Also, there is just the stereotypes of race and ethnicity around anger and emotional venting, overall and the hierarchy of what is better than.

Oh, yes, I bet you deal with the angry black lesbian stuff all of the time, especially in academia. I remember being very nervous with dissertatation committee members viewing me as having a Latin temperament within their ivory towers. And they simply held power me.

Rook 06-10-2010 10:59 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/10/tex....html?on.cnn=1


hmmm...

:canoworms::candle:

Nat 06-10-2010 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rook (Post 127080)

:( that's so horrendously terrible. :(

The_Lady_Snow 06-10-2010 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rook (Post 127080)


This just breaks my heart...

AtLast 06-10-2010 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rook (Post 127080)

Argh! I believe this is the second incident like this recently. WTF?

A can of worms that needs to be opened- our border patrol shooting children?

Soon 06-14-2010 11:11 AM

Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals


Buoyed by recent public opinion polls suggesting they're on the right track with illegal immigration, Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona — and thus American citizens according to the U.S. Constitution — to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens. The law largely is the brainchild of state senator Russell Pearce, a Republican whose suburban district, Mesa, is considered the conservative bastion of the Phoenix political scene. He is a leading architect of the Arizona law that sparked outrage throughout the country: Senate Bill 1070, which allows law-enforcement officers to ask about someone's immigration status during a traffic stop, detainment or arrest if reasonable suspicion exists — things like poor English skills, acting nervous or avoiding eye contact during a traffic stop.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...#ixzz0qqes37tY

Soon 06-14-2010 11:18 AM


AtLast 06-14-2010 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow (Post 130292)
Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals


Buoyed by recent public opinion polls suggesting they're on the right track with illegal immigration, Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona — and thus American citizens according to the U.S. Constitution — to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens. The law largely is the brainchild of state senator Russell Pearce, a Republican whose suburban district, Mesa, is considered the conservative bastion of the Phoenix political scene. He is a leading architect of the Arizona law that sparked outrage throughout the country: Senate Bill 1070, which allows law-enforcement officers to ask about someone's immigration status during a traffic stop, detainment or arrest if reasonable suspicion exists — things like poor English skills, acting nervous or avoiding eye contact during a traffic stop.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...#ixzz0qqes37tY

WTF? You bet this is against the US Constitution!

Frankly, if this were to be passed, I think it is grounds for charges of treason against Arizona. And that would be the point I'll be making to my congressional representatives as a US citizen! So much of this is not only grounded in anti-Mexican sentiments, but so much a part of the birther mentality about Obama.

This is so nuts!! Where is the nation-wide outrage? Oh, that's right, a hell of a lot of people are just trying to manage financially during the biggest recession since the Great Depression (many trying to re-train, which takes bucks to do) and we are watching The Gulf region change for all time which will end up with more economic hardship for every citizen in the US. When things are tough economically for people, these kinds of anti-immigration sentiments are rampant, historically. Fighting anything but trying to survive gets very difficult and is a prime target for weakness and pushing through this kind of lunatic and bigoted legislation.

You know, I honestly believe that a mass demonstration in AZ from people across the nation fed up with this stuff - enough for a half million porta-potties to be needed is what has to happen! There is great power in porta-potty demonstrations!! Tend to wake people up! Numbers matter!!


Porta-Potty Revolution NOW!!!

UofMfan 06-14-2010 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow (Post 130292)
Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals


Buoyed by recent public opinion polls suggesting they're on the right track with illegal immigration, Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona — and thus American citizens according to the U.S. Constitution — to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens. The law largely is the brainchild of state senator Russell Pearce, a Republican whose suburban district, Mesa, is considered the conservative bastion of the Phoenix political scene. He is a leading architect of the Arizona law that sparked outrage throughout the country: Senate Bill 1070, which allows law-enforcement officers to ask about someone's immigration status during a traffic stop, detainment or arrest if reasonable suspicion exists — things like poor English skills, acting nervous or avoiding eye contact during a traffic stop.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...#ixzz0qqes37tY

This stuff makes me ill.

MsDemeanor 06-14-2010 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtLastHome (Post 130345)
WTF? You bet this is against the US Constitution!
!

But, but, but, don't you know.....the only Amendment that matters is #2. The tea farty folks and other conservatives raging on about "Constitution this" and "Constitution that" are really only interested in #2. Oh, and #1, but #1 only really applies to them and anyone who agrees with them.

Oh, #1 and #2...now I get it. It's a potty joke!!!!!

AtLast 06-14-2010 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor (Post 130447)
But, but, but, don't you know.....the only Amendment that matters is #2. The tea farty folks and other conservatives raging on about "Constitution this" and "Constitution that" are really only interested in #2. Oh, and #1, but #1 only really applies to them and anyone who agrees with them.

Oh, #1 and #2...now I get it. It's a potty joke!!!!!


ROLF!

They are a bunch, that is for sure!

I just had to do the porta-potty thing because of how the numbers needed for events are calculated. Yanno.... that would be a big crowd with a half million porta potties calculated at hourly usage needed! Would be in the millions!!! Think of a demonstration that large!!!

Hummm... damn my son for being in the waste (solid, liquid, recycling, you name it)business....

Linus 06-14-2010 03:30 PM

As I thought about this new event and was reading this, I couldn't help but be struck by the irony of today. My company's lawyers filed for my H1-B petition, the precursor towards a green card and potential citizenship. To me, I feel like I'm do not deserve this compared to all those families, kids, friends, etc., who came here truly in search of freedom. Freedom from fear of being attacked by cartels, of potential no hope, and a variety of other things that depress the hopes of individuals.

As I read the Huffington Post article I linked I found the following comment:

Quote:

I've got a solution to all this. Let's just close up shop. Close down the borders and do not let anyone immigrate here. Yes you could get a temporary work or school visa, but when it's up, it's up, go home. We have enough people here already. We already have a huge mess with this side and that side to everything. Why add more fuel to the fire. No more middle east immigrants. No more Mexican immigrants. No more European immigrants. No more African immigrants. Not even a Canadian. Close it down and take care of people who are here already.
To me, this will do nothing more than strangle the growth of the US. The vast diversity that exists in this country (although the honking of NYC could abate a little) is what makes it great in many ways. The ability to take on challenges and forge through them are what makes Americans unique in many ways.

It is, to me, short-sighted to blame the ills of a city, state or nation on a single factor. There is too much intertwining going on in the world today. Children born in the US should be, by all rights, American citizens (as per Amendment 14, clause #1).

Quote:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
(italics mine)

If one denies these children their rights, then how far can the state/gov't go to deny other individual rights?


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