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I've heard rumor that MN Rep Michele Bachmann is an anchor baby. Can we send her back first?
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If the Federal Government doesn't take on this, then it will just be one more thing to be disappointed about Obama and his administration. We have a saying here, it goes something like: Too much (insert ice cream truck music) not enough ice cream. That is how I see the Obama years so far. Quote:
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We could only be so lucky, lol to send her back! [/QUOTE] Well, we are jesting here, and I so get it, but, get really upset with anti-anchor baby stuff that I don't want anyone in the US sent anywhere via this trash. But, I sure can think of a few places I would love to send this woman! But, you all have a point!! You ever think about her as a GOP Presidential or VP candidate... or better yet.... Liz Cheny! I really think she might be a GOP candidate in 2012... ARGH.... You were just joshing, huh? |
Steve King Suggests Illegal Immigrants Can Be Spotted By Their Shoes Or A "Sixth Sense" |
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Now, I don't think that any such law will see the light of day. The Constitution is *very* explicit on this matter and while most people don't realize *why* the 14th Amendment exists, there are those of us who are beneficiaries of that amendment who recognize precisely why it exists. (For those who don't, at the end of the Civil War, the status of black Americans was up for grabs. Up until that point, we were not considered citizens in a full legal sense. The 14th Amendment was passed to get around what the Southern states *wanted* to happen which was that black citizens would not be considered citizens of the United States. So the 14th was passed to make it clear that American citizenship automatically adheres to anyone born here. Forgive me for being so blunt but I do not trust the majority enough to see that Amendment repealed or even substantially changed. ) I understand the strategy the Republicans are trying. In the short run (2010 - 2012) it *might* pay off although I think it's a long-odds gamble. Past 2016 they will rue the day they decided that stoking racial resentment was the path to electoral glory. Cheers Aj |
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You bring up a really good point--the *real* problems America are facing aren't really related to immigration. Compared to the effects of letting our education system falter and turning our backs on science, they are trivial. Compared to allowing American corporations to move their headquarters off-shore to avoid paying corporate taxes or moving jobs overseas, immigration just fades into the background. Compared to a trillion dollar defense budget all the social services *combined* do not even begin to compete for the amount of weight they have on the economy. But improving the education system is a long-term project and will require more money with the payoff being intangible, so we don't want to do that. Passing laws that reward good business behavior and punish bad business behavior are difficult so we don't want to do that heavy lifting either. Cutting back our defense spending by, say, half gores way too many sacred cows. Immigrants are easy. They are nice slow-moving target and have the added virtue of large numbers of immigrants looking substantially different than the majority so blaming them is the path we've chosen in this country. Why do the hard thing that will require courage, sacrifice and will when there's a ready-made scapegoat right at hand? Yes, it's cynical but that doesn't mean it's wrong. Cheers Aj Quote:
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Clinton comment on immigration law riles Ariz. Governor
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And out comes the more obvious racist nature of the Arizona law. This law isn't about legal versus not "legal" immigrants. It's about the colour of the state of Arizona. With an aging white boomer population that has more conservative leanings, I'd imagine this holds well with many of them.
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It is easy to say we shouldnt deal with immigration issues because there are other more pressing problems affecting the country. Unfortunately, we use this excuse to avoid dealing with many issues because no one wants to be seen as the bad guy about any issue. Illegal immigrations costs us taxpayers billions and billions a year in services i.e. education and health care plus immigration costs of housing illegals awaiting deportation hearings and providing them with legal representation to name just a few. With the downturn in the economy and Americans struggling to find work, my allegiance is with the people who belong here, not with those who deliberately circumvented the laws because they wanted to do so. That type of selfish, self serving behavior is insulting. One can only wonder what these people might be able to achieve if they put their energy to work in changing the conditions in their own countries rather than invading others. |
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The problem I have is that this law has no distinction between law abiding American Latinos and American Native peoples and immeragrents who have come here seeking jobs that most Americans won't do. It is racist and is racial profiling at it's worst. Any one who isn't lilly white will be subject to this unreasonable search and seizure law. It is basic discrimination, cloaked in states rights. It is unjust, unfair, and totally unreasonable.
I do think we need to do the hard work of reform, but not at the risk of American citizens being jailed for not having their birth certificates on them. All American citizens have the bill of rights to use, their 5th amendment right of self incrimination, but they shouldn't have to use this as they have every right to be here, they are US. |
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My allegiance is with a people who are being pegged and have a fucking spot light shown on them now because of their color. I can't believe how you think that these human being are taking the jobs of hard working American's who are out there competing for them.. You need to look around more Kobi you fucking seriously do... PS When my momma came over here all illegal and shit, she did not cheat ANYONE out of the maids job she got... |
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i'm not in the sort of mood to educate today, so you'll just have to trust me:
your (gonadal?!) statement is both misguided and illogical; a stupid and an overtly simplistic, racist view of our history of scapegoating (pick your brown person and odds are you'll come up with someone whos people are/have been disenfranchised) and continues to go on (scapegoating works!) in this state (AZ) and in pockets of shit-hole towns throughout this (USA) country. so if you know a racist that needs a job, that thinks a mexican took his/her job, i have just the thing for you: http://www.takeourjobs.org/ please educate yourself. or don't. Quote:
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Hey Kobi!!!
What is important to recognize from the article you posted is that the study includes the social impact that undocumented workers kids have on the system but what Camarotas' study doesnt include is the impact their future contributuions will make on our society. Camarotas number one concern back in 2004 was to make these numbers as big as he could. The article is bogus and not a good measure for reform because it is so slanted. Grant Quote:
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And I need to add the numbers of white, middle and upper middle-class LDS polygamous offshoot people with dozens of children on welfare!! Take a gander at how much taxpayer money goes to these people! And the men that have fathered all of these kids are only financially responsible for those within the marriage that is legally recognized. I get really ticked with the BS advocated about immigrant (yes, illegal) social service and education taking from US citizens. Not to mention corporate welfare in the US!! The fact of the matter is, big Agriculture (and service industry) businesses have been bringing in illegal’s to work at shit wages for decades and is the culprit with how many illegal’s are here. Frankly, they should be footing the bills for illegal’s here. And citizenship should be moved along for these people so that they are part of the tax base and can live here and prosper and see their children have education and opportunity. And please universe, get Latino [populations especially registered to vote en masse! This is the fastest growing population in the US today and they need some political clout! The taking our jobs argument is just plain incorrect! Yes, educate yourself and stop knee-jerk talking-point responses!! Get the damn facts! |
It is always amusing how if you dont not ascribe to the knee jerk bleeding heart liberal stance , one is subject to ridicule and rudeness. Im used to it here.
It does not diminsh the fact that illegal workers diminish the wages of Americans....why pay more for American workers when we can go get illegal day laborers for a mere fraction of a living wage. It also undermines our overall standard of living. But, why focus on those facts when we can resort to how Americans dont want to do real labor. Funny, how our economy is in the tank and I see more Americans doing landscaping and general labor work this year then ever. A job is a job, and our priority should be to citizens and those here legally. Companies can use H2 visas and get workers here legally to do "scut work". One does not have to resort to illegal people. But, as I said, it is easier for knee jerk liberals to be profane and rude then to inject any rhyme or reason into the situation. Preying on emotions rather than facts is sad but customary. |
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I was rude, I will continue to be rude as long as people come in here with their bullshit about how we take ya'lls jobs.. It's clear Kobi, I don't see no white folks out in the fields picking your pack of peppers... Like I said look around out of your white zone once in a while... |
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