couldn't help myself lol
 

mmmmmmmmmm was that ad a production of Meg Whitman or Carly Fiorny (spelling) vs their respective opponents in the last closed primary of either party in CA?

Just wait..........2 years from now we will see two Republicans against each other for the same seat in general elections in CA. No Democrats allowed because 2 Republicans had the two top votes in the primary elections........

I say CA should ban Constitutional Amendment votes by the people until it passes both the State House and Senate and the current Governor signs it. Then it can go to the people for a vote. It works well in MA and many other states.

Yes brought to you by the "lovely" Ms Fiorina- good catch!

http://www.businesspundit.com/wp-con...zzzfiorina.jpg

Right on T. I wonder how many ill-informed voters said yes to the CA open primary initiative passed that REALLY understood what it is!!! As in just plain stupid!

This coming from the man who supports the death penalty for gays in Uganda.
 

Engle Rallies Against Gay Marriage in Calif.

Pastor Lou Engle's controversial ministry drew thousands of attendees on Saturday to protest gay marriage, abortion, and pornography on the steps of the California state capitol in Sacramento.

Engle's "TheCall to Conscience" included a 12-hour fast, the Associated Press reports. The rally was in part a protest of the recent court ruling striking down Proposition 8 as unconstitutional (the case is currently on appeal).

"If marriage is going to be upheld between a man and a woman, which we believe is the best for families and children and society, then right now, it seems we need divine intervention," Engle said in an interview with the AP. "That's part of the reason we're coming here, to pray, but also to take a stand and be a prophetic voice to stand for truth."

A recent Uganda rally starring Engle was featured in the September cover story for The Advocate.

http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N...lity_in_Calif/

From joemygod
 

CA Supreme Court Asks Schwarzenegger & Brown About Prop 8 Defense Refusal

Karen Ocamb reports that the California Supreme Court has ordered Gov. Schwarzenegger and AG Jerry Brown to explain why they have refused to defend Proposition 8. The pair had until 9am today to respond. The Pacific Justice Institute was expected to rebut their response by noon today. Ocamb notes that "theoretically" the Court could order Schwarzenegger and Brown to defend Prop 8. More on this as it develops...

Me: Does anyone know if their response has been published?

From the prop 8 trial tracker
 

DEVELOPING: Schwarzenegger and Brown file papers with California Supreme Court responding to PJI’s appeal
(Cross-posted at LGBTPOV)

By Karen Ocamb

Last week the 3rd District Court of Appeal rejected a lawsuit filed by the Pacific Justice Institute trying to force Attorney General Jerry Brown (who is running for governor in the 2010 elections) and the Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to file an appeal in the federal challenge to Proposition 8. According to an email from the right wing Capitol Resources Institute, the California Supreme Court wants to know why the state isn’t appealing, too. Here’s the emai:

“Late yesterday the California Supreme Court responded to a request by the Pacific Justice Institute to compel the Attorney General and the Governor to file the appeal in the federal challenge to Proposition 8.

In August, a federal court in San Francisco overturned the voter approved measure that stated that marriage is between one man and one woman. While the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has agreed to hear the appeal of the lower court’s decision, they have made clear that there is a question whether the parties before them have standing to pursue the appeal. The Attorney General as well as the Governor have failed to file the appeal in this matter based on their personal opposition to Proposition 8. The proponents of the ballot measure took on the State’s job of defending the measure in court.

The California Supreme Court has ordered the Attorney General and the Governor to respond by 9 am this morning explaining why they have not filed this appeal. Then the Pacific Justice Institute has just three hours to respond by noon today.

“We are pleased that the judicial branch is at least considering forcing the executive branch to do its job,” said Karen England, Executive Director of Capitol Resource Institute. “Millions of Californians voted for Proposition 8. The issue should be heard all the way up to the US Supreme Court. No elected official ought to be able to substitute his judgment for the decision of our courts.”

Several sources are checking this out and I will update this as the information comes in. Theoretically, the California Supreme Court can order Attorney General Jerry Brown and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to appeal Judge Walker’s ruling.

UPDATE from AP’s Lisa Leff:

The letters Schwarzenegger and Brown filed this morning are brief and reiterate their positions that they have discretion to choose which rulings to appeal. They also say that PJI miscalculated the deadline for filing an appeal with 9th Circuit–that it was Sept. 3, not Sept. 11.

UPDATE (12:45 Pacific):


Chris Geidner at MetroWeekly writes that Deputy Attorney General Tamar Pachter, responding for AG Brown, said in her letter that the Pacific Justice Institute’s effort on behalf of Pastor Joshua Beckley “is too little, too late.”

Pachter concluded:

It is within the Attorney General’s discretion to determine that it is or that it is not appropriate to pursue an appeal. In Perry, given the Attorney General’s position at trial, there are no grounds for an appeal, and the filing of an appeal under such circumstance would be frivolous. The petitioner’s contention to the contrary is manifestly without merit.”

Geidner also notes that Wednesday’s filing was already set by a court order detailing a briefing schedule of the expedited appeal. He says the Capitol Resources Institute’s email is “misleading.”

Brown’s response can be found here: Letter Brief.pdf

Veteran LGBT journalist Lisa Keen posts at her Keen News Service that Schwarzenegger won’t appeal either. Keen notes:

“The definitive statement means the ability of Proposition 8 proponents to appeal will depend entirely on the legal standing of the Yes on 8 coalition……In a five-page letter September 8, Counsel for the Governor Andrew Stroud told the court, “Although Beckley may disagree with the Governor’s decision not to file a notice of appeal [in the Proposition 8 case in federal court], it was the Governor’s decision to make.”

Irish Government Urged to Establish Legal Recognition of Children in LGBT Families
 

Prop 8 Trial Tracker

BREAKING: California Supreme Court rejects PJI appeal; Schwarzenegger and Brown will not be forced to defend Prop 8
By Eden James

Breaking from the San Francisco Chronicle:

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“The state Supreme Court refused to come to the aid of California’s embattled ban on same-sex marriage Wednesday, denying a conservative group’s request to order Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Attorney General Jerry Brown to appeal a federal judge’s ruling striking down the voter-approved measure.

The state officials’ decision not to argue in support of Proposition 8 has raised questions about whether anyone is legally qualified to defend it in court. The Pacific Justice Institute filed suit last week, arguing that the California Constitution requires Brown to defend the state’s laws.

A state appeals court dismissed the suit without a hearing, and the state’s high court denied review Wednesday without comment.

[snip]

“Attorneys general are not potted plants in the litigation process,” lawyers for Brown told the court. Although the attorney general is required to represent the state, they said, Brown also took an oath to support the U.S. Constitution and is not obliged to defend a law he considers unconstitutional.

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Read more:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAE81FATL8.DTL

I know a lot of information has been posted regarding protecting each other with legal documentation, but I will be darned if I can find any of it! LOL

We are heading to Europe in early October, which has led us on a last minute scramble to update our wills, and to do something for our daughter that will protect her should something happen to us while away; we are starting a Family Trust. My Mom and Step-Dad had one, and let me tell you that the ease of taking care of their Estates makes any cost worth it.

Kasey and I have a considerable Estate, and the government taking inheritance taxes or putting our wills into probate are not options in our efforts to protect each other and our child. Cars, bank accounts, 401K's...all protected by a family trust. We are also updating our POA, and our advance health care directives.

My question...can anyone think of anything I missed?

http://www.hrc.org/issues/legal-docu...r-families.htm

http://same-sex-gay-marriage.suite10...x_couples_need

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/01/bu...m7iXeI/TWAv2Cw

Thank you very much, it appears we have covered everything!:rrose:

Someone asked me the question of Guardianship for my daughter should something happen to us both.

Amy's Father would be the one to step in and assume the day to day parenting stuff. He is also the reason why I have appointed my sister to be our Estate's (financial) trustee until she is 25yrs old....:giggle:

From joemygod
 

Karen England Is EVER So Pissed

Professional anti-gay activist Karen England is EVER so pissed at California Lt. Gov. Abel Maldonado, who blew off her group's demand that he rush out an appeal to Prop 8 while the Governator is out of the country. England rides the waambulance in this Christian Newswire press release she just fired out:
When the Governor left the State late last week, the right and responsibility to file the appeal before Monday's deadline went to the acting governor, Mr. Maldonado. As a supporter of Proposition 8, conservative leaders requested that he file the paperwork. Former dean of Chapman Law School, John Eastman even drafted the necessary paperwork and volunteered to make the filing on Maldonado's behalf. But Maldonado did not even bother to respond. When a representative of Capitol Resource Institute contacted Maldonado's campaign manager a half hour before the deadline to file, the aide complained that phone calls had tied up the phones all day at the capitol and their campaign office, but he did not know what the Lt. Governor was going to do. He promised to call back, but the call never came. "Maldonado did not file the appeal" said Karen England, Executive Director of Capitol Resource Institute. "And the acting governor added to this negligence an arrogance and aloofness that suggested he was more concerned that we busied his phones than anything else."

The man was dealing with State business which included the tragedy in San Bruno and she has the gall to whine about not filing an appeal? Waa waa waa

New Ads to Try to Build Public Support for Gay Marriage
 

not sure where this will all go....
 

Kagan’s recusals — potential barrier to pro-gay rulings

http://www.keennewsservice.com/2010/...o-gay-rulings/

Wyoming couple drops gay marriage lawsuit

By The Associated Press
09.16.2010 10:30am EDT


(Cheyenne, Wyo.) A gay couple in Cheyenne has dropped a federal lawsuit that challenged the Wyoming law defining marriage as existing only between a man and a woman.

The Casper Star-Tribune reports that David Shupe-Roderick and Ryan W. Dupree filed a notice Friday voluntarily dismissing their lawsuit against the state.
They say they are dismissing the suit because unspecified circumstances had changed.

The couple sued last month, alleging that Wyoming’s law defining marriage as being a contract solely “between a male and a female person” was unconstitutional.

Some gay-rights activists expressed concern about the lawsuit; others thought it might be a con. The two men were representing themselves, even though they’re not lawyers.

http://www.365gay.com/news/wyoming-c...riage-lawsuit/