Oh. I guess you missed my sarcasm. I thought it was glaring. :candle:

I picked up a little of it.

But even in the sarcasm, it would have to ring true...you know what I'm saying? Because it would *have* to be called a 'chef's set'. I mean, being that we have little kitchen sets already...which are naturally for girls.

And a sewing machine would have to be called a 'tailor's set'.

Gah....I'm so off topic, and I apologize for the derail.

Personally, I want to see some boys playing with my little ponies and doing their fucking hair, and gluing star stickers to their ponies' asses.

Again, I apologize for the derail...children's toys (and children's toy commercials) PISS me OFF.


Especially When The Parents Turn Around A Say Something Really Stupid Like, "MY Kid Doesn't Buy Into That Gendered Stuff (as the kid sits there and plays with their pink or blue toy),
Dylan

Yeah, and where ARE little boys dressed in bathing suits and evening wear competitions with faces full of make up?

I agree with you in the fact that it doesn't create pedifiles..But...I do believe it fuels them .

I as well was assaulted as a child and I believe the more things out there to fule these personalities...The more it is brought to front and acted upon.

In my opinion only.

I also realize that bringing it to front to fight it...may have a duel result at first...But in the end if things work out right...It may slow the result of abuse even a lil.

I have to agree with all points made

These parents to me scream of...

I want to make a buck off my kid and be the popular mom cuz my kid is better than yours kinda parent...

I don't understand why breast feeding is seen as 'inappropriate'.

I mean, I agree with Juliesafemme. It's not a sexual thing...yet it is constantly sexualized...even to the point of being considered 'illegal' in some places.

So, why is it ok to have a doll that one gives a bottle to, yet breast feeding is seen as 'wrong'?

I don't get it.


Being Serious,
Dylan

I think this has to do with the sexualization of women, period. If my only, or primary, value is sexual than anything I'm doing with my breasts must be sexual too.

I breastfed my son until he was 17 months old...and I couldn't even begin to tell you how much crap I put up with about it. I was always modest about it...that's just who I am...and my son was one of those babies who was fine to have a blanket or scarf covering completely while he nursed. I was told on more than one occasion that I should go nurse him in the bathroom...instead of the relatively private quiet spots I would find at the mall, in a restaurant or wherever I was. My reaction was always the same...."really? do you eat your lunch in the bathroom? I don't."

Women's bodies aren't always sexual...but in this culture that's still their primary value. Barf.

Sure driving a car and feeding an infant are adult behaviours, and that is why toy companies have developed products that let the child imaginatively participate in them.

A child can drive a pretend car and that is fine--the child wants to emulate the act of driving, so the parents buy a toy car/big wheels (whatever) for the child to scoot around in.

I'm with Dylan and Julie--why is a toy bottle a more appropriate device for the imaginary feeding of a baby?

I don't see this type of doll as contributing to the sexualization of children.

i don't think breast feeding is sexual AT all.
In fact, I think we got around to that by route of ways girl children are taught to be good girls and housewives.
All the toys emulating that geared towards little girls IS sexist and misogynistic when coupled with the fact that not a lot of toys are geared towards girls being masculine and boys being feminine. I use feminine and masculine only in the strictest binary sense as perpetuated by MSM.
(so please don't give me a lesson on what is and isn't feminine or masculine, because trust me...i know).

I have watched my daughter be asked to leave a restaurant due to the fact she was breastfeeding in a corner booth, covered up. Needless to say, Mom was there and we not only stayed, we ate for free. Grrr.

I actually have much less of a problem with the breast-feeding part than the "shove a young girl into a role as a Mother" part. I wouldnt mind it so much if there were dolls and such to encourage young boys to fantasize about what a good Father they would be.

But I do get that breastfeeding is sexualized. I will admit to being a little squicked by the flower petals on the vest that would cover the part where the breasts should be :|

Yeah, I agree..shoving girls into mothering, cleaning, cooking, secretarial, shopaholic, hair dresser, hooker, stripper, sexualized, etc roles grosses me out and pisses me off sooooooooo bad.

And I have to admit that I had a bit of a problem when you mentioned the breast feeding vest (and I'm trying to figure out why, because I know know know it's not a sexual thing...I'm still trying to figure out *why* my initial reaction is what it is...I mean, I don't know if I would buy my kid a breast feeding vest, and I don't know why or why not...maybe because it IS so sexualized. I just don't know...still trying to figure out what triggered the initial 'ew' reaction when I know logically it's not a sexual thing)

And yanno, even if you're the coolest, most enlightened parent in the world...your kids are still going to gravitate towards gendered toys, because their peers are playing with gendered toys, and no kid wants to be left out


Dylan

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I think what squicks *me* is not the fact that there is a breast feeding doll.
I think it is the fact that little girls don't have breasts yet, and everywhere they look there are breast-centric messages being thrown their way.
I just want them to relish the years they have being KIDS, and it feels like they are pushed to be older almost right out of the womb.

The really weird thing about people grossing out over breast feeding IS the fact that breasts are basically the passport to the universe according the the MSM. It is the norm for women to get implants and big boobies are everywhere. Strange to be so puritanical about the thing that actually de-sexualizes breasts.

I have accidentally found this show too. I disturbed me to say the least. I couldn't believe that the girl's parent actually support and encourage their daughters to compete in these competitions.

Now, whereas I dont agree, that, this type of media makes a pedephile, I DO strongly agree that the objectification of our daughters and our sons has got to stop.

As a mother of a seven-year old girl, and raising two boys (my ex-wife's children) I am alarmed at the clothing I see being sold in the stores.
My first example: Wal-mart. Have you noticed the clothes they have for little girls, and for that matter some of the boys clothes, too?
My second example: K-mart. My, but, they are just as bad.

Now, raising 3 children, without support from the other "parents", I am left with not as much money as I would like. Even worse are times when I would love to be able to get clothing at a decent price. I will be damned, however, before I will go to some of these estblishments to purchace them. Some of these stores seem hell-bent that I buy a pair of shorts that barely cover MY children decently. Since when do my sons need jeans that show...ahem...ANYTHING? As far as that goes, why does my 7 year old daughter need a top with a plunging neck-line?


These are just my opinions. I'm glad someone had the brains to point this out to others who seem to think this way of dressing CHILDREN is "ok".
As a loving, concerned parent, I don't find one thing "ok" with it.

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I and this is Snow coming from Snow space..

I think that these disturbing images do feed the sick fuckhead pedophiles out there. I mean come on, look at the adds parading our children like meat for anyone to look at, release themselves to etc.

If you really can't see that I have to say I am shocked anyone does not.. I am blessed that my soon to be 10 year old still has some innocence left, and that his little mind is still about playing in the park, bowling and not other disturbing things.

We allow the media to pimp out our kids and stay silent. Pisses me off. Our kids don't have a network such as Animal Planet.

I think we should.. I really do, our kids are not advocated ENOUGH.

That is all I have to say about that for now.

Sexualized children and pedophilia are so NOT two separate and distinct issues.

Not if you are Jon Benet Ramsey. Not if you are the mother letting your child dress like what she see's in the MMS and sending her out to the playground never to be seen again.

Not if you are the registered sex offender who cannot download kiddie porn but have access to Toddlers in Tiara's and a bottle of lotion.

Funny you mention buying stuff at Lands End, while the people who cannot afford that are stuck shopping at K-mart and Wal-Mart with a vast array of inappropriate clothing but limited stuff any of want to dress our girls in. I wonder if that ties into the fact that a lot of girls disappear from homes of underprivileged parents? If that somehow makes them more susceptible?

Because while sexualizing children doesn't CAUSE pedophilia, it is certainly not a deterrent is it?

Um what does queer have to do with the hyper sexualization of our children?

I will be honest none of the queer parents I know, dress their kids provocatively, and I am not saying there aren't queers that do. You don't think that some young kid who has these thoughts about kids isn't going to use these add as a stepping stone to worse images?

really?

I know they are born this way but when they have nothing to get a hold of, magazines, catalogs and a walk in the park become their erotic images. I know for me, nothing could make me accept any of the add put up in this
thread.

It's disgusting and gross that our children are pimped out for the sake of Brand Name clothing...

If I was filthy rich I wouldn't do that to my kids I made sure when with me my kids were kids, not tiny Guess ads.