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I am BUTCH and I am a LESBIAN and I am a WOMAN... I am not phobic to my fellow friends of any gender. We are all human... |
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Actually no, what you suggested is that you would have to "wade through lesbophobia" unless this was in a Lesbian zone. I will remind you again that this entire website is a "Lesbian Zone" so the insinuation that "wimmin's" topics are only "safe" in a separate zone (with an insinuated "Free from Lesbophobia") is absolutely incendiary. And just so we are super clear: Being called out on problematic posting is not "being singled out", that is called "being treated like every other poster on this site". Any further posts regarding this issue need to happen in a private message so this thread can continue. Admin |
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This is odd to say Mystic, I am certainly not going cause I am some kind of sheeple and I am doing what ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the other people are doing. I have never been on a cruise, so if I did have the money for one I would definitely pick one that caters to my needs and the persons needs I am going with. NOT because my besties aren't going. Not cool |
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Nada Nein Not in this lifetime - Can't play with all my friends? Then you don't need my $$$ I only spend my $$ on truly inclusive venues. |
Does this have to turn into yet another us vs. them issue. I know we're into a whole new week now and all.
I think we can all agree that it's fact, not conjecture, that Olivia is not welcoming to many in our b-f community. If some of us choose not to give them our money, it doesn't make us lesbophobic. |
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Knowing what you know , and a good chance of you not getting your money back , you would go ahead and book anyway :| Not sure this has anything to do with being a follower ....But you have money like that to burn , I say go for it ,but I wouldn't bother packing your bags :) |
As a transman, I personally am heartened by the support of my lesbian sisters here. To me, I don't see this as a lesbian-phobic issue as much as I think it is a stand against the lack of inclusiveness by some of the lesbian community.
An issue like this only serves to remind me that there are people, even my own, who will include me, even if it is only as an ally, as well as those, even my own, who will exclude me because of the fact that I had to make a journey to search for, discover and become who I am. My personal appreciation, love, support and respect goes out to the inclusive lesbian trans ally community. To me, it is important that we realize that to be included, whether it's on a cruise or in just general society, with all its benefits and responsibilities, is what this fight is all about for all of us?? Respectfully, ~Theo~ :bouquet: |
I have got to the point in My life that , if I or My butch brothers are not welcome somewhere , fuck em ! I will take My money and My brothers and go else where ! And if these idiots thought about what they where missing out on, they would see they could be making alot more money and meet some awesome folks that they choose to not associate with ...:sunglass:
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Olivia's response to my inquiry on their trans policy
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"Olivia GuestServices" <GUESTSERVICES@OLIVIA.COM> Add sender to Contacts Hello - Olivia strives to provide an all Lesbian environment but we have had MTF transgendered guests join us on our vacations. Although we do not discriminate, you will find that your presence is upsetting to some of our guests. Some will confront you directly asking "why are you on my Lesbian vacation?" I imagine it would be even harder for our guests to accept someone FTM. I know this is discouraging, but it is important for you to understand because it disrupts the Olivia experience we work hard to provide for our guests. If you have any questions or need anything more please feel free to e-mail me at guestservices@olivia.com or call 800-631-6277, option 2. Thank you, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jeri Umble sr. director, customer care olivia 434 brannan street san francisco ca 94107 415.962.5700 tel 415.962-5713 fax feel free www.olivia.com |
Separatism is alive and well. They will get none of our money.
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Which goes to say that is why we were left with our suit cases left on the dock while we tried to understand why we were not allowed on board... ~Shakes Head~
And then tell us that we could reschedule another time??? We were on vacation, we have paid vacation hours, we can't just show up back to work and say, well can't go right now, so I'm going to work now and can you let me have next month off?!!! We went camping instead! And this was 8 years ago, and they still haven't changed... Sad, so sad... |
Are there any inclusive LGBTIQ cruises? I know that Rosie's (ex? I don't keep up with celebrity gossip but I feel like I heard that somewhere) wife is the founder of one and I -think- I heard that one was inclusive - although it is for families.
If there was something like that I would be interested. Oh, and add me to the "oh HELL naw" column on the subject of Olivia. I know where I'm not wanted. |
I would be interested to hear about the cruise line Sweet. They do a lot of activism... building schools, fixing computers, etc... to the depressed countries they visit... That's a part of their philosophy of cruising...
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Sweet loves our allies in all shapes and flavors. So while our vacations are designed for lesbians, anyone who looks at what we do and thinks it looks like fun is welcome to join us. Their FAQ I would be interested to know if that's just talk or if they mean it, though. Like if someone who had actually been on one of their cruises could give us the skinny on things - that would be nice. |
Wow. I never expected to see so many replies nor see what I saw.
I did book with Olivia and here is why... My former spouse (who passed away) and I took a cruise together as our last trip. Cal was a TG butch and could easily pass for a guy if he wanted to. We were treated with nothing but respect. We met some lovely people on the trip. Olivia went above and beyond to assist us since Cal was dying from cancer. Not one person was rude to us. Not one comment from either the Olivia staff or anyone on the cruise. I knew at that time I wanted to take another trip with them and now I am. I certainly didn't mean to stir up a hornets nest. All I wondered was if anyone else here might be going. If someone is going feel free to PM me. Have a good week, MS |
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MS I am glad you and yours had a great vacation, and that you have wonderful memories! I hope you have a great time and you come back with more beautiful memories! Happy Travels! |
atlantis, aquafest and RSVPvacations all have cruises that cater to the Queer/Lesbian community.
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We went on a Rosie Cruz to the Caribbean (r family vacations, now run by the ex, Kelly). Funny enough, we were by chance in a cabin beside another butch femme couple and their daughter. There were definitely singles and couples without kids too. We were told in casual conversation that R Family Vacations is more down-to-earth than Olivia (in talk of comparing between those who had been on both). I don't know specifically about their trans policy but the cruise had a very diverse feel to it. Some queer families brought grandparents, kinda touching to me! Also for that specific cruise, Rosie had impulsively invited the whole audience to go on the cruise we were on when she had been on the View. Off-air, the audience was told by Rosie's people that Rosie would pay for them to go on Rosie's cruise or, if they felt more comfortable, a "regular" Carnival cruise. So it was cool that the straight families that did go made that choice. Anyway, it's the only cruise I've ever been on so I can't compare it to other cruises, but it was rather magnificent.
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Who's to say they would turn me away from going on the trip? |
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