These thoughts are not strange. They are a natural and beautiful thing. Embrace.

I like both but lately I've been crushing on more butches.

bump
 

Wondering if i am the only masculine single guy that would more than entertain the idea of enjoying another's masculine energy combining with mine mmm a delicious thought it is

Love who you love! Who cares! :-D

I get ickies from the stereotypes in our community that happen sometimes. We already are a judged group, and a small facet of the gay community. If two people find love in eachother, that is a rare and beautiful thing! Be happy and don't worry about what others think (and I'll live vicariously through you... Lol!)

Smiles :)

butch w/ butch OMG LOL ohhh plz ~ who cares ~ we are all gay woman its funny, in real time no one cares BUT hey on the net its an issue ??? love and let love ~ besides I think its sexy ~ ** blows a kiss** to all my B&B friends **

im butch..and i used to think it was strange for butches to be attracted to other butches....but then i realized what a stupid concept that was. I hear daily how butch on butch is just wrong. How unfair is that?!?!? We have lived a life that is discriminated against..why should we pass that onto our butches? Ive been attracted to butches.....and have had comments made. I used to say i preferred femmes...now...i just say it depends on the person.

Yes, I would venture that say in looking at my combined experience with early 20 something FTMs professionally and personally (internet and in person) at this moment, there is a HUGE amount of FTMs who date cis males. Of course, you see them dating other FTMs, but I see a lot of young FTMs in the cis gay men's community or who are married cis males while they were living as females. It is really interesting. I seriously would say the majority of the early 20's FTMs that I currently interact with are coupled with cis males or only date cis/trans males.

Sorry, I suppose I am getting off track...CCB'S statements about trans guys dating other masculine identified individuals got my brain going (but I was talking FTMs specifically)

Butch on butch? Honestly, I only know a couple of Butches IRL, so my experience with butches is only on butch/femme sites. I would venture that in general the younger population are more open to dating more than one gender identities.

It depends on your demographic. For example, on b-f sites, it won't be a very fruitful place to look, but I'm sure (in fact I know) there are a smattering.

try facebook if there is no local group.

for example https://www.facebook.com/groups/butch2butch/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Butch...65825846769286

if you are kinky try fet life, there are groups for butch-butch and for trans-butch and cismen-butch. I did belong to a "butch women admirers" on fet life, but eventually I realised it was for CIS dudes into butch women, mostly, so I left the space to them.

But fetlife is another good angle as well.

similarly, try google plus, craiglist for more groups or events and OK cupid for those who like butches or "masculine energy" or "masculine vibe queers" etc.

You could always put an add up here somewhere.... though I suppose you just did ;)

good luck.

I'm one-half of a butch-on-butch couple
 

I identify as a lesbian butch, but I never really thought about who I was attracted to in butch-femme terms, However, looking back over my life, I am definitely more attracted to women who are "butch of center." My wife has a complex and beautiful gender identity that ranges from mildly feminine to fairly butch, and I love every bit of it. I am her first really butch partner, and it seems to work well for her, too.

Although I do not id as butch I have had my share of masculine partners in the past. I bumped the thread to get the conversation started again and to let new members know that in the complexity of today's world that even in the B-F community there are many ways to express that. I have met a few butches/queer on here that were/are attracted to me and other masculine members on the site. Granted most of them but not all were fellow members of the BDSM/kink community however, as some of the above posts have demonstrated masculine-masculine couples are out there and can be found even on this site.

I have experienced discrimination from our community due to who I am attracted to but who are we to say what type of person any one of us can date. Isn't it the same as being attracted to a type or look, let alone not having a preference per say and prefer to rely on a connection?

I apologize for entering butch space but I saw no reason to double a topic in the trans area...:hangloose:

To some it may be the same as being attracted to a type or look. But for me, being attracted to gender expression (masculine female) is my sexuality. Being attracted to a type (sporty, geek, metrosexual, dapper) is a bit different as that type is a subset of masculine female. Some express their masculinity in a dapper/urban meterosexual way, or a sporty way or a masculine geek way (my dad is masculine geek - dresses and behaves in that fashion), or backwoods/country masculine, or....

My personal understanding of sexuality is not "type" but I have preference to type.. My sexuality is not a preference, unfortunately. I wish it was. Would make my life a lot easier....

More love (and/or sex) in the world seems like a good thing to me. There are already too many narrow minded people. If you are butch and are attracted to butches, enjoy. Someone having an issue with butch on butch (I have encountered the on this site) reminds me of the cis males who throw a tizzy fit when they see/hear/think about gay men getting it on. If it isn't your relationship, it isn't your business.

Glad the thread has been positive. I was expecting a train wreck and am pleasantly surprised.

thinking out loud
 

Sometimes when I think about both dynamics and the fact that I personally can be equally attracted to either a femme, butch, or another trans I wonder if it isn't maybe a different type of bi-sexuality. For me especially since I do id as male. Guess technically that would be pansexuality. I don't know just thinking out loud though I do get what honeybarbara is saying. Actually agree with it poor choice of words on my previous post, as usual

I know Alix, you were cruising for a spanking... :D

I'm grateful for that. As a butch lesbian who has never really gotten into the butch-femme dynamic, I have found some online spaces that actively excluded me. It hurts to be closed out.

I'm glad you are here! I think this site is more open than others, but some people aren't. I didn't interpret the site name to be only people in butch-femme relationships.