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Sparkle 02-19-2011 07:05 PM

you can take the girl out of the radical, but you can't take the ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Toughy (Post 286832)
/snip
I understand what has motivated the above letter, however it very well could have been written by Sarah Palin or Rush or Sean or Glenn, et al. Just put 'homosexual' or 'pagan' or 'move on.org' in place of fred phelps.....
/snip

You're quite right but ...

I can't help but admit the letter does bring me a distinct pang of glee.

betenoire 02-19-2011 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlin (Post 286802)
an open letter to westboro from anonymous... fred is done!
We, the collective super-consciousness known as ANONYMOUS - the Voice of Free Speech & the Advocate of the People

Fair enough, but I find it laughable to read that a group calling itself "the Voice of Free Speech" is going to kick some ass because they don't like someone else's free speech.

rlin 02-19-2011 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toughy (Post 286832)
Note to rlin: my post is absolutely not directed towards you personally....it is not about you personally.....it's about the letter and it's meaning.


I understand what has motivated the above letter, however it very well could have been written by Sarah Palin or Rush or Sean or Glenn, et al. Just put 'homosexual' or 'pagan' or 'move on.org' in place of fred phelps.....

It's hateful and mean and violence is implied. I don't see any reason for any of us to be crawling around in the gutter with any of them.

you are correct about it being a terroristic threat... cuz... it obviously is...

that said... we already have what you said could be... we have palin and hannity and beck attacking us daily... i cant help being elated that someone may hit them as hard as they hit us...

i guess im not as easy going as i once was... the other cheek hurts too...


R

rlin 02-21-2011 07:20 AM

yeah... sometimes its too good to be true...
 
from anonnews.org

Dear Phred Phelps and WBC Phriends,
So we've been hearing a lot about some letter that we supposedly sent you this morning. Problem is,
we're a bit groggy and don't remember sending it. Our best guess is that you heard about us on that
newfangled TV of yours and thought we might be some good money for your little church.
You thought you could play with Anonymous. You observed our rising notoriety and thought you
would exploit our paradigm for your own gain. And then, you thought you could lure some idiots into a
honeypot for more IPs to sue.
This is not so foreign to us; as you may have heard, we trade in Lulz. You just do not have enough to
offer right now.
While Anonymous thanks you for your interest, and would certainly like to take a break and have some
fun with you guys, we have more pressing matters to deal with at the moment.
But, we will keep this application on file, and will certainly contact you if any openings become
available in future.
Next time, don't call us. We'll call you.
Additionally, as your "Press Release" failed to understand: When Anonymous says we support free
speech, we mean it. We count Beatrice Hall among our Anonymous forebears: "I disapprove of what
you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Do some among our number hate you and your cynical exploitation of your human rights for monetary
gain? Of course. But the MoralFags are also the first to admit that they are, in fact, your rights to
exploit.
In closing, let us assure you: We are not BAWWWING sissies, nor are we afraid of your false god;
we're just really busy. Stay tuned, and we'll come back to play another day.
We promise.
To the Media: Just because it was posted on AnonNews doesn't mean every single Anon is in
agreement, in fact in this case it doesn't even mean a single Anon is in agreement. Next time, if you
could give us a few minutes to put all our paperwork in order, we'll be sure to let you know what we're
up to. (LOL)
To Anonymous: It's a trap. They've got their ports wide open to harvest IPs to sue. Don't DDoS, and
boycott Operation Westboro. If you really want to continue messing with them, just send them a few
male prostitutes and faxes of goatse. Nothing more.
(Note: This letter was written by more than 20 Anons, at the same time, and none of them were inbred
family members. Unlike that other, shitty "Press Release".)
We are Anonymous.
We are legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us.

Mister Bent 02-21-2011 04:38 PM

Anyone tries to touch my "prosthetic device" and there's going to be a sexual harassment complaint.
 
The TSA is out of hand.

I am of the mind that certain measures to protect air travel are necessary, but there must be some measure of common sense among TSA agents.

Rep. Sharon Cissna underwent a body scan as she was preparing to leave Seattle-Tacoma International Airport Sunday and was then required to undergo the pat-down by Transportation Safety Administration officials, said Michelle Scannell, her chief of staff.

Scannell said the TSA called for the pat-down because the scan showed Cissna had had a mastectomy.

The TSA, on its website, says security officers "will need to see and touch your prosthetic device, cast or support brace as part of the screening process.
"

Read more here

Sparkle 02-23-2011 11:19 AM

Obama Administration will not continue to defend DOMA
 
http://www.hrcbackstory.org/2011/02/...tory-doma-law/

Today the Obama Administration announced it won’t continue its defense of the so-called “Defense of Marriage Act” (DOMA) in court. DOMA denies federal recognition and benefits to legally married same-sex couples and purports to allow states to deny recognition to those couples as well.

“This is a monumental decision for the thousands of same-sex couples and their families who want nothing more than the same rights and dignity afforded to other married couples,” said HRC President Joe Solmonese. “As the President has stated previously, DOMA unfairly discriminates against Americans and we applaud him for fulfilling his oath to defend critical constitutional principles.”

Sparkle 02-23-2011 11:55 AM

and the Washington Post article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

EnderD_503 03-01-2011 03:24 PM

Ok, now I'm in the right topic lol
 
Another good step forward.

Quote:

Rutgers University to allow co-ed dorm rooms
Published: Monday, February 28, 2011, 9:00 PM

NEW BRUNSWICK — Starting this fall, Rutgers University will allow male and female students to live in the same dormitory room for the first time in a pilot program designed to make the New Brunswick campus more welcoming to gay students.

More than 100 undergraduates in Demarest Hall, New Gibbons and Rockoff Hall will have the option of selecting a roommate of the opposite sex, campus officials said. The pilot program will allow gay, lesbian and transgender students to choose either male or female roommates. Heterosexual students will also be permitted to live in co-ed rooms with their boyfriends, girlfriends or platonic friends of the opposite sex.

The new option — called gender-neutral housing — was created at the request of gay, lesbian and transgender students who objected to Rutgers rules that require undergraduates to choose roommates of the same sex.

"I’m really glad they did it, although I wish it wouldn’t have taken as long," said Aaron Lee, a Rutgers senior who is a self-described transgender student. "We live in a world where in order to be considered a human being you have to be male or female, and not everyone fits into that kind of binary. It’s important to have spaces where people don’t necessarily have to worry."

Rutgers-Newark will offer a similar program this fall, though campus officials said they will limit the mixed-sex housing to a maximum of three rooms in either University Square or Woodward Hall.

Gay campus groups had been asking for gender-neutral housing options for years without success. University officials reconsidered the idea after the death of Tyler Clementi, a freshman who made national headlines when he committed suicide last semester.

Clementi, 18, jumped off the George Washington Bridge a few days after his roommate allegedly used a webcam to watch him in an intimate encounter with another man. It is unclear exactly why Clementi committed suicide, but the freshman’s death prompted Rutgers officials to take a closer look at how gay students are treated on campus.

The number of colleges offering mixed-sex housing options has been growing steadily in recent years, according to the National Student Genderblind Campaign, a grassroots group that advocates for changes in campus housing policies. Columbia University, George Washington University, Emory University, Ohio University and Ramapo College in Mahwah already offer gender-neutral options.

At Rutgers, the pilot program will be limited to Demarest Hall on the College Avenue Campus, New Gibbons on the Douglass Campus and some apartments in Rockoff Hall, a 12-story building in downtown New Brunswick.

Students will get into the dorms through the student housing lottery, campus officials said. Then, students will be given the option of naming a roommate of either sex. Parents will not be permitted to veto their children’s roommates. Undergraduates will not be asked to reveal if they are gay.

"We’re not asking students their relationships," said Joan Carbone, the university’s executive director of residence life. "People should not have to declare their sexual preference to us."

The halls will include gender-neutral bathrooms, where men and women share bathing facilities. Individual shower stalls will have doors instead of curtains to allow for more privacy, residence life officials said. Access to the locked bathrooms will be limited to residents with key cards.

The mixed-sex rooms will not be available to freshmen, Rutgers officials said. But first-year gay and lesbian students will be given the option on their housing form of requesting a roommate who is supportive of their sexual preference.

Steven Goldstein, head of Garden State Equality, said Rutgers’ decision to allow mixed-gender housing is a small part of the changes needed to help gay students be safe on campus.

"Our experience is that students get bullied both by students of the same gender and the opposite gender, so integrated housing may be a step. But it’s not nearly enough and cannot substitute for more comprehensive anti-bullying policy," said Goldstein, chairman of the statewide gay rights organization.
Source:http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...d_rooms_i.html

UofMfan 03-01-2011 03:41 PM

What can I say, this is breaking news to me.

Fascinating

betenoire 03-01-2011 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UofMfan (Post 292966)
What can I say, this is breaking news to me.

Fascinating

What did it used to say? Now at the top of the screen it says only "Stating a discriminatory preference in a housing post is illegal - please flag discriminatory posts as prohibited"

UofMfan 03-01-2011 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by betenoire (Post 293030)
What did it used to say? Now at the top of the screen it says only "Stating a discriminatory preference in a housing post is illegal - please flag discriminatory posts as prohibited"

That is interesting. That is what happens when I multitask.

Let's try again.

Corkey 03-01-2011 05:43 PM

Just announced on ABC news, Nitwit Newt to run for republican nomination for President. Will announce his nitwit self sometime this week.

Jess 03-01-2011 06:33 PM

Think we could get his sis to run instead???

betenoire 03-01-2011 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UofMfan (Post 293033)
That is interesting. That is what happens when I multitask.

Let's try again.

Can I stare at my on in the mirror or down my top? Or do I have to stare at others? THIS IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION!

UofMfan 03-01-2011 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by betenoire (Post 293112)
Can I stare at my on in the mirror or down my top? Or do I have to stare at others? THIS IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION!

What am I, the expert?

I would think stare at others, more so in your case :D

betenoire 03-01-2011 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UofMfan (Post 293118)
What am I, the expert?

I would think stare at others, more so in your case :D

Whatever. My boobs are awesome. I know this because I am looking down my top right this second.

You're so mean to me. I'm going to dwell on that while I walk to the store to buy catfood right now.

Jess 03-02-2011 03:53 PM

Westboro Wins Supreme Court Case
 
from gayrva.com:



According to today’s Supreme Court ruling, the controversial Westboro Baptist Church will be able to picket funerals. The 8-1 vote in favor of the WBC upholds an appeals court ruling that prevented the father of a deceased Marine from suing the church for $5 million.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote the court’s opinion.

More from the Associated Press: ( http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_suprem...neral_protests )

Roberts said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from the church.

“Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker,” Roberts said. “As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate.”

AtLast 03-02-2011 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jess (Post 293570)
from gayrva.com:



According to today’s Supreme Court ruling, the controversial Westboro Baptist Church will be able to picket funerals. The 8-1 vote in favor of the WBC upholds an appeals court ruling that prevented the father of a deceased Marine from suing the church for $5 million.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote the court’s opinion.

More from the Associated Press: ( http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_suprem...neral_protests )

Roberts said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from the church.

“Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker,” Roberts said. “As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate.”

Even, Alito dissented on this one!!

Corkey 03-02-2011 06:46 PM

Even though I abhor WBC, I have to agree with the court. And it really is a visceral kind of agreement, because If I want my voice heard, then I have to acknowledge they have that right. No matter how vehemently I disagree with them. They cause pain to those they demonstrate against, we, all of us want our rights. I wish we could punish them more on hate speech, but that isn't going to happen. There is a petition brought against the ones who are lawyers in that group to disbar them. That may be, legally, the only course left.

Jess 03-02-2011 06:56 PM

I agree. It's very difficult to ( gnaw a hole through your jaw) and say "yes, you have the right to speak, even when others disagree with you".

I am finding it more and more important to ignore folks like that and not give over "our" power to those mindsets. Giving them any attention at all only adds fuel to their fire. That is really hard to do though, when you see the hateful things they do.

The only way the system works is if it works for all.

socialjustice_fsu 03-02-2011 08:53 PM

With the thread's focus on WBC...I am not sure where this should be posted.
 
I live on the shores of the Gulf of Mexico. Remember the horrendous BP Deep Horizon oil spill? There is not much in the news these days about it and the residual is now emerging ever so quickly. We are having pods of dolphins wash ashore near my home. The water is a murky color. And yet...children play in the surf, people in denial eat tainted seafood, swimmers ingest the sea water and the marketing to visit/live here screams that all is well. It is not.
I bring this to light because people need to educate themselves about where their seafood comes from and what dangerous toxins can do to oneself even in years to come. Independent scientists are proving day after day that our waters and environment are more dangerously ill than it ever has been.
My plea is that you educate yourself, your family and your firends about what IS NOT being reported by the media. We are living in the midst of gas, oil, and all of the toxins injected below the surface to break up the oil.
I am fortunate enough to have the means to be tested by an independent health lab to measure if I have any toxins in my bloodstream. The cost for this simple test: $295.00. This does not begin to include the cost of detoxifying in the event any lab variables are critical. I thought initially BP should pay for this test for everyone along the coast, however, I do not trust them. Now or ever.

Please send out pleas to the Universe that our Gulf will return to life through the work of fair and unbribed analysts that do not bow to the BP Corportation.



AtLast 03-02-2011 09:42 PM

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/...ets.YNN?hpt=T2

Lesbian couple has Quadruplets!!

betenoire 03-02-2011 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtLastHome (Post 293893)

Oh fuck, those poor women. FOUR babies? UGH, that's going to be so much work.

Oh, I meant to say CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR FOUR BABIES!

*laughing* Seriously, though. A girl in the building I work in had triplets last year...and she always looks like she's about to burst into tears because she's so exhausted.

AtLast 03-02-2011 10:28 PM

This is so interesting to me as Carter is an evangelical- and also founder of Habitat for Humaity, a former US president, a peanut farmer, and was a nuclear physicist among other things.

This goes to my feelings about just not being able to apply cultural relativity to sexism for justification.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ights-equality

The words of God do not justify cruelty to womenDiscrimination and abuse wrongly backed by doctrine are damaging society, argues the former US president



"Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status ..." (Article 2, Universal Declaration of Human Rights)

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28)

I have been a practising Christian all my life and a deacon and Bible teacher for many years. My faith is a source of strength and comfort to me, as religious beliefs are to hundreds of millions of people around the world.

So my decision to sever my ties with the Southern Baptist Convention, after six decades, was painful and difficult. It was, however, an unavoidable decision when th e convention's leaders, quoting a few carefully selected Bible verses and claiming that Eve was created second to Adam and was responsible for original sin, ordained that women must be "subservient" to their husbands and prohibited from serving as deacons, pastors or chaplains in the military service. This was in conflict with my belief - confirmed in the holy scriptures - that we are all equal in the eyes of God.

This view that women are somehow inferior to men is not restricted to one religion or belief. It is widespread. Women are prevented from playing a full and equal role in many faiths.

Nor, tragically, does its influence stop at the walls of the church, mosque, synagogue or temple. This discrimination, unjustifiably attributed to a Higher Authority, has provided a reason or excuse for the deprivation of women's equal rights across the world for centuries. The male interpretations of religious texts and the way they interact with, and reinforce, traditional practices justify some of the most pervasive, persistent, flagrant and damaging examples of human rights abuses.

At their most repugnant, the belief that women must be subjugated to the wishes of men excuses slavery, violence, forced prostitution, genital mutilation and national laws that omit rape as a crime. But it also costs many millions of girls and women control over their own bodies and lives, and continues to deny them fair access to education, health, employment and influence within their own communities.

The impact of these religious beliefs touches every aspect of our lives. They help explain why in many countries boys are educated before girls; why girls are told when and whom they must marry; and why many face enormous and unacceptable risks in pregnancy and childbirth because their basic health needs are not met.

In some Islamic nations, women are restricted in their movements, punished for permitting the exposure of an arm or ankle, deprived of education, prohibited from driving a car or competing with men for a job. If a woman is raped, she is often most severely punished as the guilty party in the crime.

The same discriminatory thinking lies behind the continuing gender gap in pay and why there are still so few women in office in Britain and the United States. The root of this prejudice lies deep in our histories, but its impact is felt every day. It is not women and girls alone who suffer. It damages all of us. The evidence shows that investing in women and girls delivers major benefits for everyone in society. An educated woman has healthier children. She is more likely to send them to school. She earns more and invests what she earns in her family.

It is simply self-defeating for any community to discriminate against half its population. We need to challenge these self-serving and out-dated attitudes and practices - as we are seeing in Iran where women are at the forefront of the battle for democracy and freedom.

I understand, however, why many political leaders can be reluctant about stepping into this minefield. Religion, and tradition, are powerful and sensitive area to challenge.

But my fellow Elders and I, who come from many faiths and backgrounds, no longer need to worry about winning votes or avoiding controversy - and we are deeply committed to challenging injustice wherever we see it.

The Elders have decided to draw particular attention to the responsibility of religious and traditional leaders in ensuring equality and human rights. We have recently published a statement that declares: "The justification of discrimination against women and girls on grounds of religion or tradition, as if it were prescribed by a Higher Authority, is unacceptable."

We are calling on all leaders to challenge and change the harmful teachings and practices, no matter how ingrained, which justify discrimination against women. We ask, in particular, that leaders of all religions have the courage to acknowledge and emphasise the positive messages of dignity and equality that all the world's major faiths share.

Although not having training in religion or theology, I understand that the carefully selected verses found in the holy scriptures to justify the superiority of men owe more to time and place - and the determination of male leaders to hold onto their influence - than eternal truths. Similar Biblical excerpts could be found to support the approval of slavery and the timid acquiescence to oppressive rulers.

At the same time, I am also familiar with vivid descriptions in the same scriptures in which women are revered as pre-eminent leaders. During the years of the early Christian church women served as deacons, priests, bishops, apostles, teachers and prophets. It wasn't until the fourth century that dominant Christian leaders, all men, twisted and distorted holy scriptures to perpetuate their ascendant positions within the religious hierarchy.

I know, too, that Billy Graham, one of the most widely respected and revered Christians during my lifetime, did not understand why women were prevented from being priests and preachers. He said: "Women preach all over the world. It doesn't bother me from my study of the scriptures."

The truth is that male religious leaders have had - and still have - an option to interpret holy teachings either to exalt or subjugate women. They have, for their own selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter.

Their continuing choice provides the foundation or justification for much of the pervasive persecution and abuse of women throughout the world. This is in clear violation not just of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but also the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Apostle Paul, Moses and the prophets, Muhammad, and founders of other great religions - all of whom have called for proper and equitable treatment of all the children of God. It is time we had the courage to challenge these views.

• Jimmy Carter was US president from 1977-81. The Elders are an independent group of eminent global leaders, brought together by Nelson Mandela, who offer their influence and experience to support peace building, help address major causes of human suffering and promote the shared interests of humanity.

MsDemeanor 03-03-2011 12:39 PM

Another disgusting item buried in Scott Walker's budget:

Scott Walker’s Budget Bans Birth Control Coverage And Eliminates Access To Health Care Services For Women

MsDemeanor 03-03-2011 06:01 PM

Secretary Clinton praises Al Jazeera - right wing nut job heads across America explode!!

Faux Newz will go nuts over this!!

rlin 03-03-2011 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor (Post 294214)

fucking genius...
i guess this will teach everyone how important state elections are...

MsDemeanor 03-03-2011 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlin (Post 294391)
fucking genius...
i guess this will teach everyone how important state elections are...

Yep. Democrats - screw yer apathy; get yer ass to the voting booth.

rlin 03-04-2011 09:55 AM

not natl but scary all the same...
 
i am again temporarily living in ga... not in marietta where this dumbass serves but still...


this is indicative of what happens when we dont try hard enough in local elections... cuz... state shit dont matter... see above WI posts... see this crazy shit... this is also the man that tried to get rape victims to turn into accusers... not victims... crazy bastard...

damn i cant wait to gtfo of ga


Last week the abortion debate took a turn down crazy street when Georgia lawmaker Bobby Franklin introduced a bill in the state legislature with the potential to find a miscarriage criminal, and a state mandate to track and investigate all pregnancy.
The bill, HB 1, would make the sexual health a matter of public concern. The measure would make abortion the legal equivalent of murder, and force the criminal investigation of women who suffer miscarriages.
The bill would classify the removal of a fetus under any circumstance other than during a live birth or to remove a dead fetus as "prenatal murder." Doctors and hospitals would be forced to report miscarriages to authorities, who would then have to investigate if the miscarriage occurs without medical attention. Many find the bill to be draconian. Many believe that for the state to investigate all unsupervised miscarriages as a crime scene is to take misogyny to a new level, and breathes new life into the notion that women really are nothing but chattel, second class citizens to be monitored and disciplined by the state.


Many find the proposal a preposterous invasion into a woman's constitutionally protected right to privacy. No surprise, Bobby Franklin is a Republican. His official biography on the Georgia General Assembly's website reads:
“Representative Franklin has been called ‘the conscience of the Republican Caucus’ because he believes that civil government should return to its biblically and constitutionally defined role."

AtLast 03-04-2011 03:19 PM

Fox News' Lies Keep Them Out of Canada
readersupportednews.org
‎'Fox News will not be moving into Canada after all! The reason: Canadian regulators today announced they would reject efforts by Canada's right-wing Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, to repeal a law that forbids lying on broadcast news.' Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Reader Supported News

http://readersupportednews.org/opini...-out-of-canada

EnderD_503 03-06-2011 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtLastHome (Post 295031)
Fox News' Lies Keep Them Out of Canada
readersupportednews.org
‎'Fox News will not be moving into Canada after all! The reason: Canadian regulators today announced they would reject efforts by Canada's right-wing Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, to repeal a law that forbids lying on broadcast news.' Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Reader Supported News

http://readersupportednews.org/opini...-out-of-canada

And we continue to be spared! Thank the gods of news broadcasting o/

AtLast 03-06-2011 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnderD_503 (Post 296464)
And we continue to be spared! Thank the gods of news broadcasting o/

I want you to send the folks up there that made this decision down! We need them!

betenoire 03-06-2011 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtLastHome (Post 296495)
I want you to send the folks up there that made this decision down! We need them!

Can't. We -need- them. Won't share. Get your own!

AtLast 03-07-2011 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by betenoire (Post 296621)
Can't. We -need- them. Won't share. Get your own!

Damn!

:byebye:

Nat 03-08-2011 04:54 PM

NPR exec called tea party racist and xenophobic and also said NPR would be better off without national funding


Assuming the recording wasn't tampered with..

Nat 03-10-2011 06:53 AM




key 03-10-2011 08:09 AM

General Strike Time

MsDemeanor 03-10-2011 11:36 AM

Strikes will just get people fired (it's in the new law) and piss off folks. Legal action and recall elections are the way to go. Someone struggling with where to stash their kids because the teachers aren't in school or who can't get services because everyone is on strike isn't going to be sympathetic. Better that they go back to their jobs and let people know that they are at work because they know how much they are needed by the people of WI.

dreadgeek 03-10-2011 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor (Post 298573)
Strikes will just get people fired (it's in the new law) and piss off folks. Legal action and recall elections are the way to go. Someone struggling with where to stash their kids because the teachers aren't in school or who can't get services because everyone is on strike isn't going to be sympathetic. Better that they go back to their jobs and let people know that they are at work because they know how much they are needed by the people of WI.

This is spot-on, Ms D! We--liberals, I mean--have an opportunity to make visible the case some of us have been making for a while now; namely, that radical conservative ideology is a direct assault on the middle class. But we have to be tactically smart about it (something that seems to be very difficult for liberals to do--an issue I'm exploring on my blog). The people who are ordinary workers should go back to work so people know how much they are needed. At the same time, legal action and recall elections should be engaged in. I also hope that the national Democrats are looking at what is happening and deciding that they are *finally* willing to dance with those who brought them instead of always kowtowing to conservatives (who would vote for a red devil before they would vote for a liberal) and Wall Street bankers.

Cheers
Aj

AtLast 03-10-2011 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor (Post 298573)
Strikes will just get people fired (it's in the new law) and piss off folks. Legal action and recall elections are the way to go. Someone struggling with where to stash their kids because the teachers aren't in school or who can't get services because everyone is on strike isn't going to be sympathetic. Better that they go back to their jobs and let people know that they are at work because they know how much they are needed by the people of WI.

From some of last night's coverage, it looked like the WI Dems were pursuing legal action via the Atty General- my hpe is that this does go to the courts there- appears to be a WI constitutional issue to the max.

Striking might well turn public opinion against the public employees in the end. The union folks have a very strong statement in their prior agreement on monetary concessions.

I was a bit confused - is the sitting WI and Dem or GOP? Although, constutional law is the bottom line about the procedures in the state legislative bodies.


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