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dreadgeek 07-01-2010 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus (Post 142311)
Don't tell the Conservatives that.. they might leav.. err.. Actually, on second thought, let them know. It'd improve the country immensely.

Linus:

No, no, please it would be rude for us to horde conservatives here and take Canadian conservatives as well. You know, we should share. The two countries, long history of friendship etc., and I don't know that we've ever given Canada anything...the French gave the U.S. the Statue of Liberty. I say we could give Canada the Tea Party movement as a token of our esteem and friendship. And at any rate, Canada has a lot of moose right? Conservatives like shooting moose. Everyone goes home happy--well, not the moose but you get the idea.

No need for thanks. It was nothing really. :)

Cheers
Aj

Medusa 07-01-2010 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dreadgeek (Post 142751)
Linus:

No, no, please it would be rude for us to horde conservatives here and take Canadian conservatives as well. You know, we should share. The two countries, long history of friendship etc., and I don't know that we've ever given Canada anything...the French gave the U.S. the Statue of Liberty. I say we could give Canada the Tea Party movement as a token of our esteem and friendship. And at any rate, Canada has a lot of moose right? Conservatives like shooting moose. Everyone goes home happy--well, not the moose but you get the idea.

No need for thanks. It was nothing really. :)

Cheers
Aj


You better include some helicopters to aid in shooting the Moose. I heard the conservatives like that ;)

dreadgeek 07-01-2010 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Medusa (Post 142755)
You better include some helicopters to aid in shooting the Moose. I heard the conservatives like that ;)

Helicopters are SOOOOO 2008. Stealth Bombers are where it's at for hunting moose from the air.

http://tremendousnews.com/wp-content...lth-bomber.jpg


If you're old fashioned, though, and want to hunt from the ground then nothing--I mean NOTHING--beats an M1A1 Abrahms tank. Road speed of 70mph and the main gun is 120mm cannon.

http://www.army-technology.com/proje...ges/abram1.jpg

But if you are ready for real XTreme Hunting (tm) then I say go for the railgun in low-earth orbit.



Cheers
Aj

SuperFemme 07-01-2010 03:45 PM

if you put sara palin in a helicopter and told her she was shooting moose, she'd so be there.

MsDemeanor 07-01-2010 04:01 PM

Y'all are thinking waaaayyyyy too small.

1) All the Canadian conservatives move to the US
2) All the US liberals move to Canada or Mexico (depending on if they prefer hot or cold)
3) The US conservatives send every undocumented person back to Mexico, Central America, South America, Europe, Canada, Asia, and Africa
4) Liberals in Canada and Mexico (the US's two largest suppliers of imported oil) overwhelmingly vote to quit exporting oil to the US, on account of being offended by the conservatives complaining about having to import oil from countries that hate Americans (which, by now, Canada and Mexico will have become)
5) The entire conservative population of North America now resides in a country with food shortages from collapsed agriculture and poultry industries, spiraling deficits because all the rich hollywood and silicon valley liberals have left and taken their industries (and associated tax dollars) with them, reduced tourism because there's no one to clean the hotels and bus the restaurant dishes, and a severe oil shortage because the Middle East is now the US's only major oil source.

dreadgeek 07-01-2010 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MsDemeanor (Post 142778)
Y'all are thinking waaaayyyyy too small.

1) All the Canadian conservatives move to the US
2) All the US liberals move to Canada or Mexico (depending on if they prefer hot or cold)
3) The US conservatives send every undocumented person back to Mexico, Central America, South America, Europe, Canada, Asia, and Africa
4) Liberals in Canada and Mexico (the US's two largest suppliers of imported oil) overwhelmingly vote to quit exporting oil to the US, on account of being offended by the conservatives complaining about having to import oil from countries that hate Americans (which, by now, Canada and Mexico will have become)
5) The entire conservative population of North America now resides in a country with food shortages from collapsed agriculture and poultry industries, spiraling deficits because all the rich hollywood and silicon valley liberals have left and taken their industries (and associated tax dollars) with them, reduced tourism because there's no one to clean the hotels and bus the restaurant dishes, and a severe oil shortage because the Middle East is now the US's only major oil source.

I am humbled to be in the presence of a Jedi Master! Teach me your technique, sensei! I wish to become your Padawan learner and become as strong with the Dark Side of the Force as you.

dreadgeek 07-01-2010 04:16 PM

I have often wished that we had another planet upon which we could run the libertarian experiment American conservatives have said they think would lead to the best of all societies.

One group could stay here, the other group would go to the other planet.

On one planet there would be public schools where children would learn history and science. There would be public libraries, public museums, civic symphonies and theatre. There would be a social safety net so that there was a minimum level below which no one would fall. There would be investment in public transportation and clean or renewable energy sources. Infrastructure would be maintained for the good of all. Taxes would be higher than they are now, but corporations would pay their share and the rich would pay their share. People would still be religious, of course, but there would be church, there would be state and the two would not meet.

On the other planet it would be a libertarian paradise. The ONLY regulations would be in favor of corporations restraining the actions of citizens--for example, it would be illegal to sue a company for damages due to a faulty product. It would be impossible to sue your physician. There would be no public schools, the churches would provide all educational and charitable services. There would be a flat-tax so the person making $10,000 a year would pay the same percentage in tax as the person making $10,000,000 a year. There would be no labor laws, no civil rights laws.

In schools children would learn that the Earth was 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs walked the planet at the same time. All scientific discoveries would be filtered through a religious authority to ensure that they were doctrinally correct. If they weren't then those discoveries would be suppressed.

There would be police, of course, who were mostly concerned with the protecting of corporate property. Guns would be easy to get and everyone would walk around with *at least* two. There would be no traffic laws to speak of however if you caused property damage you could be sued for that. If you caused the loss of life a citizen could sue another citizen.

Assuming that there were ethnic, religious, racial or sexual orientation minorities on this planet businesses would be free to discriminate against them in any way they chose that did not involve taking their property.

There would be no environmental regulations and labor unions would be outlawed.

Every generation (say 25 years) we could do a survey of the two planets and see which one had the happier, healthier, more long-lived population and we could see which one was more technologically advanced.

Cheers
Aj

MsDemeanor 07-01-2010 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dreadgeek (Post 142781)
I am humbled to be in the presence of a Jedi Master! Teach me your technique, sensei! I wish to become your Padawan learner and become as strong with the Dark Side of the Force as you.

:giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:cracked: :cracked: :cracked:

I'm humbled, as your posts usually leave me curled up in a corner whimpering in despair because I can't muster 1/10th of your the brain power.

SuperFemme 07-01-2010 04:22 PM

all joking aside...
here is a sobering thought and frightening story that I fear we shall see more of.

http://article.wn.com/view/2010/05/2..._Ark_shootout/

MsDemeanor 07-01-2010 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dreadgeek (Post 142784)
One group could stay here, the other group would go to the other planet.

Which planet gets the scientists who know how to create interplanetary weapons?

The_Lady_Snow 07-01-2010 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MsDemeanor (Post 142794)
Which planet gets the scientists who know how to create interplanetary weapons?


AtLast 07-01-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperFemme (Post 142788)
all joking aside...
here is a sobering thought and frightening story that I fear we shall see more of.

http://article.wn.com/view/2010/05/2..._Ark_shootout/

Terribly disturbing. Yes, we will see more and more of this.

And I am with Msdeamenor with those weapons! Aj..... please beam us all up... PLEASE!!!!!

dreadgeek 07-01-2010 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MsDemeanor (Post 142794)
Which planet gets the scientists who know how to create interplanetary weapons?

The liberal one. Ultimately, science only really works in open societies and since the liberal society would allow scientific research to go apace without interference from the church and the other one would have the church looking over every research program for signs of doctrinal heresy, science would go further in the former. Science just doesn't do well in theocratic (or otherwise closed) societies -- look at what happened to Galileo and Copernicus or, more recently, look what happened to physics in Germany under the Nazi regime or biology under Stalinism.

Cheers
Aj

The_Lady_Snow 07-01-2010 05:48 PM

Brewer Falsely Claimed Immigrants Beheaded People In Arizona (VIDEO)
 
Stop the ignorance and racist, hateful rhetoric from the successor Arizona governor!! Beheadings? Contact her at http://azgovernor.gov/contact.asp and demand as a U.S. citizen that she retract her ignorance and provide data to substantiate her claims instigating bigotry and hate!! Vamos mi gente, stand up or shut up!!!



http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ple_in_the.php

Linus 07-01-2010 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 142870)
Stop the ignorance and racist, hateful rhetoric from the successor Arizona governor!! Beheadings? Contact her at http://azgovernor.gov/contact.asp and demand as a U.S. citizen that she retract her ignorance and provide data to substantiate her claims instigating bigotry and hate!! Vamos mi gente, stand up or shut up!!!



http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...ple_in_the.php


You know, I watched Criminal Minds repeat last night and it was an episode about a small town police officer, in Arizona, who was doing this against the undocumented. Makes me wonder if she can't tell reality from fantas... oh wait.

She can't.

Linus 07-01-2010 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dreadgeek (Post 142751)
Linus:

No, no, please it would be rude for us to horde conservatives here and take Canadian conservatives as well. You know, we should share. The two countries, long history of friendship etc., and I don't know that we've ever given Canada anything...the French gave the U.S. the Statue of Liberty. I say we could give Canada the Tea Party movement as a token of our esteem and friendship. And at any rate, Canada has a lot of moose right? Conservatives like shooting moose. Everyone goes home happy--well, not the moose but you get the idea.

No need for thanks. It was nothing really. :)

Cheers
Aj


You did give us something: two gold medals this past year at the Olympics ;)

And I don't think American conservatives would survive the Canadian Parliament. They'd have to learn how to issue insults without it appearing like an insult and they'd have to realize they've been insulted even from something that appears like a compliment.

And if you send Beck here, that will be reason for war. You have been warned! (and we've beaten the US once; we'd do it again and we'll inflict more Celine on you!)

Cheers, eh!

AtLast 07-01-2010 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus (Post 142913)
You did give us something: two gold medals this past year at the Olympics ;)

And I don't think American conservatives would survive the Canadian Parliament. They'd have to learn how to issue insults without it appearing like an insult and they'd have to realize they've been insulted even from something that appears like a compliment.

And if you send Beck here, that will be reason for war. You have been warned! (and we've beaten the US once; we'd do it again and we'll inflict more Celine on you!)

Cheers, eh!

I think Canada gives the US hope. A country next door that has a nationalized health care system, a country in which same-sex marriage is legal throughout and a country in which the transgendered can receive treatment via the health care system. Oh, and there are the Canadian Rockies which are the grandest in the world.

When I was there last, I was amazed at how Canadians saw GW Bush as he really is, an idiot!

Actually, I don't wish Beck on Canada at all! Never!! May he rest where the sun does not shine.. We just cannot do this to our northern neighbor!

dreadgeek 07-01-2010 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBellyBionic (Post 141542)
This, exactly. Refusing to condemn actions which are clearly wrong in every way denotes nothing so much as a complete *lack* of any kind of ethics. I feel that I have a very strong sense of ethics, and those ethics mean that I absolutely will stand up and say "No, there is definitely a difference between right and wrong. Slavery was wrong. Jim Crow laws were wrong. Apartheid is wrong. There is nothing redeeming or debatable about any of these things. They're just wrong. Always, in any era, at any time, always wrong." Kobi, you say "who am I to judge?" I don't. I, as a person with ethics, am an excellent judge of right and wrong. I, a person with ethics, am absolutely *obligated* to judge right from wrong. I find it incredibly disturbing that anyone could claim otherwise. I'm horrified that anyone could actually say that they can't judge the actions of the past. If you can't judge the past, then why should any of us trust you to make good decisions in the future? If you can't say whether or not slavery was wrong, why should any of us think that you'd stand against it happening again?

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Originally Posted by AtLastHome (Post 142714)
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You are right on here, Aj. I often look around at some of the wing-nut garbage today and wonder.... Would these people stand up against forms of the past transgressions today? My gut fear is they would not. and cry that they didn't know it was happening just as so many did while Jews (and others) were being gased in concentration camps (just on

ALH:

I have to call something out here. Ordinarily I would let Belly do this because I don't fight her battles but you addressed me so it's my responsibility. Since it was public and since this is an example of something Belly has complained about generally here (so I'm not trying to make you the scapegoat) I'm doing this out in the open. If this was something better handled privately I apologize in advance.

You responded to me, but those thoughts are Belly's. Yes, it's something I might have said. It's certainly something I absolutely believe to be true. But Belly came into our relationship already believing that. She gets me. I get her. So it shouldn't be surprising that we would think a lot alike.

On another thread, Belly complained about butches not taking femme's seriously. This is what that looks like. Belly is a very intelligent woman and she has her own opinions. When she's posting, she's expressing *her* opinions. Opinions that I assume she arrived at on her own. I know that she did not have them fed to her by me.

On the larger point, femme's deserve to be taken seriously. We butches should take them seriously, we should do so because they deserve it and we should do so because if feminism means anything at all it means taking women seriously as human beings.

Cheers
Aj

dreadgeek 07-01-2010 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linus (Post 142913)
You did give us something: two gold medals this past year at the Olympics ;)

The lemon juice and salt was just what that wound needed, thank you.

Quote:


And I don't think American conservatives would survive the Canadian Parliament. They'd have to learn how to issue insults without it appearing like an insult and they'd have to realize they've been insulted even from something that appears like a compliment.
Actually I think that would be good for them. Character building, one might say.

Quote:

And if you send Beck here, that will be reason for war. You have been warned! (and we've beaten the US once; we'd do it again and we'll inflict more Celine on you!)

Cheers, eh!
There's no need to go straight to the Singers of Mass Destruction! Wasn't Bryan Adams enough? What did we EVER do to you to rate that?

Cheers
Aj

AtLast 07-01-2010 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dreadgeek (Post 142984)
ALH:

I have to call something out here. Ordinarily I would let Belly do this because I don't fight her battles but you addressed me so it's my responsibility. Since it was public and since this is an example of something Belly has complained about generally here (so I'm not trying to make you the scapegoat) I'm doing this out in the open. If this was something better handled privately I apologize in advance.

You responded to me, but those thoughts are Belly's. Yes, it's something I might have said. It's certainly something I absolutely believe to be true. But Belly came into our relationship already believing that. She gets me. I get her. So it shouldn't be surprising that we would think a lot alike.

On another thread, Belly complained about butches not taking femme's seriously. This is what that looks like. Belly is a very intelligent woman and she has her own opinions. When she's posting, she's expressing *her* opinions. Opinions that I assume she arrived at on her own. I know that she did not have them fed to her by me.

On the larger point, femme's deserve to be taken seriously. We butches should take them seriously, we should do so because they deserve it and we should do so because if feminism means anything at all it means taking women seriously as human beings.

Cheers
Aj

I actually did not mean to do this at all, I knew full well it was Belly's post. I feel terrible for the slip. And do apologize. I do remember reading both you and Belly's posts in one sitting... and I just typed Aj. You certainly do not need to tell me that Belly is one hell of an intelligent woman.

I would have preferred that you did PM me as this was just a slip of names due to knowing you as a couple and nothing more. A human error. Your comments about taking femmes and feminist ideology to me seems a bit off as I am a rock solid feminist and one of my Master's Degrees is in Women's Studies as well as my doctorial dissertation was on sex-roles and women's oppression (back in the day). As a woman and a feminist, and past professor of feminist and women’s studies, I certainly do take us seriously.

This was a simple error without any ill intent whatsoever and I did not think you wrote the post. I just mixed-up names, that's it.


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