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MsTinkerbelly 02-03-2011 08:53 PM

If I love someone it is forever. The type of love may change, but I still love them.

IrishGrrl 02-03-2011 10:04 PM

My love is conditional yes. I may love someone, but withdraw my actions of love. I can love from afar, and I have stopped loving, it's not an intentional thing, it just happens. The only unconditional love I have is for my children.

Soft*Silver 02-04-2011 12:40 AM

I have changed my mind from my original post. I said I offered unconditional love to only one person and that be my daughter.I have decided that it is not a parents responsibility to beholden to have to love their child unconditionally if their child does not deserve it. I have borne witness to several examples as of late, of adult children who in my opinion, did not deserve their parent's love. Call me cold. I would sever my love in a heart beat had it been my child.

I seem to find myself becoming more black and white as I age. Less grey. Far less grey. I think I have given people in my past so many opportunities that I realize now I wasted so much of my precious life on them, days wasted that I cannot get back now. I have lived more life than I have left to live, and no one is going to get more from me than they deserve ever again. I wont mistake an ass for a horse again, trust me on that...lol. Someone said they wanted to love themselves unconditionally. I think thats what I am doing. Hands down. I come first.

Tcountry 02-04-2011 03:29 AM

It all depends on your definition of love...is it a feeling or an action...?
If it is a feeling...it is possible to love...even when u r upset with a decision that person has made.
If it is an action...what r u willing to do/go thru if that person really needed u?
The only limit to unconditional love is the human condition...& what each is willing to do and/or put up with...
Your limits define your conditions

Miss Scarlett 02-04-2011 05:28 AM

Many years ago this was part of an all night discussion with a dear friend (now departed). We concluded that there is such a thing but that it is different for everyone.

My love (whether that be for my friends, family or partner) is one that loves and accepts people "warts and all." It's not something that I will take away if there is a disagreement, parting of ways or even if someone hurts me. I cannot just turn off my heart, just cannot...there will always be love there.

This same friend wrote a beautiful song about his love for his friends here are the lyrics:

Brother's Keeper
Rich Mullins and Beaker

Now the plummer's got a drip in his spigot
The mechanic's got a clank in his car
And the preacher's thinking thoughts that are wicked
And the lover's got a lonely heart
My friends ain't the way I wish they were
They are just the way they are

And I will be my brother's keeper
Not the one who judges him
I won't despise him for his weakness
I won't regard him for his strength
I won't take away his freedom
I will help him learn to stand
And I will, I will be my brother's keeper

Now this roof has got a few missing shingles
But at least we got ourselves a roof
And they say that she's a fallen angel
I wonder if she recalls when she last flew
There's no point in pointing fingers
Unless you're pointing to the truth

And I will be my brother's keeper
Not the one who judges him
I won't despise him for his weakness
I won't regard him for his strength
I won't take away his freedom
I will help him learn to stand
And I will, I will be my brother's keeper

I will be my brother's keeper
Not the one who judges him
I won't despise him for his weakness
I won't regard him for his strength
I won't take away his freedom
I will help him learn to stand
And I will, I will be my brother's keeper

Chancie 02-04-2011 02:01 PM

I've been thinking about this thread a lot.

I've never been the sort of girl who thinks Heathcliff is romantic; I've always thought that he was a reactive jerk and that Cathy was manipulative and thoughtless.

But I suspect I am the exception.

On the other hand, I have a huge amount of patience with the shenanigans of naughty teenagers, but very little patience with the thoughtless sharp tongues of some adults I've 'met' online.

I've never cheated on anyone to whom I have been committed.

Again, I suspect I am the exception.

When members say they will always love someone they have loved at one time, what does that mean?

If that is true, why have you (in general) cheated on your partner? Why have you taken expensive gifts when you know you aren't fully committed to your partner? Why do you share dramatic private details of your relationship?

Pixie 02-04-2011 02:40 PM

I think it is possible for unconditional love to exist within disagreement...

I know for me, I didn't care if parts of my family didn't agree with my orientation...because I love them.

I don't agree with things my mother put me in the middle of, and the decisions she made and things going on including her life choice...but I love her unconditionally and will continue to...regardless of her choices...

just my opinion

Miss Scarlett 02-04-2011 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chancie (Post 277943)

I've never cheated on anyone to whom I have been committed.

Neither have I, although I have had a few people cheat on me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chancie (Post 277943)

When members say they will always love someone they have loved at one time, what does that mean?

For me the intimacy of love (not sex but love) occupies a place very deep within my heart. There is no way that anyone who finds that place can not leave a part of themself behind regardless of why they are no longer in my life.

JAGG 02-04-2011 08:34 PM

unconditional
 
Sorry , I hate to break the news to you, but it is not possible for humans to love unconditionally. It's a very romantic notion, and a nice fantasy, but it's not humanly possible. No matter how deeply we love someone there are always condtions of some sort, there is always a boundry, we simply do not have the capacity, not in our design. You can wish or hope or kid yourself, but it's just not possible.

princessbelle 02-04-2011 09:13 PM

Oh i certainly believe in unconditional love....

I believe that if you truely love someone unconditionally, family...lovers...whatever, it just happens and not something that you necessarily try to achieve. Because it can possibly make things harder on you in the long run. IMO: It is either there or it isn't. Doesn't mean you have to even ever see this person again in your life, agree with them, approve of them or associate with them.

But, if you have it for someone...

you.

just.

know.

it.

Strappie 02-04-2011 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAGG (Post 278082)
Sorry , I hate to break the news to you, but it is not possible for humans to love unconditionally. It's a very romantic notion, and a nice fantasy, but it's not humanly possible. No matter how deeply we love someone there are always condtions of some sort, there is always a boundry, we simply do not have the capacity, not in our design. You can wish or hope or kid yourself, but it's just not possible.

Sorry Jagg, but I love my family Unconditionally... I don't ask them for anything in return well wait I take that back yes I do.. I ask for their love in return and the same goes for my friends... Now if you call that a fantasy then that is you're belief ... My belief is that yes we can!

No matter what "research proves" ......

I will believe what I want to
... :)

Julie 02-04-2011 10:03 PM

Unconditional love is tricky... In theory it is possible for me. In reality - I am human.

I believe we all *want* to believe we have unconditional love - but always, when there are expectations in a relationship, the possibility of the unconditional love breaking is there.

I believe I love my children unconditionally... However, if they were to harm another human being (not speaking self-defense) or rape a woman -- would I continue to love them unconditionally? Probably not. I would probably turn them in and they know this. Unconditional love would prevent me from doing the right thing (in this case.)

"I loved you unconditionally." Notice the 'ed - How many times have you heard this after a breaking relationship? Or even said this? If you loved me unconditionally, then you would still be loving me with the same unconditional love you claimed.

People by nature will place conditions on most everything. It is not a flaw or an imperfection - it just is.

Or maybe I am just not so romantic to believe in the notion.

I have never cheated on another person in my life -- Not because I loved them unconditionally, but because I loved them and respected them... But most importantly, because I love me and respect myself. I would not be able to do either, if I did.


Diva 02-04-2011 11:07 PM

I believe in unconditional love.
My Mother loved me unconditionally. My Father did not.
I love my daughter unconditionally even when she is being an ass. She's young. She's made some crazy choices, but that does not diminish my love for her. I tell her often that there is nothing ~ NOTHING ~ she can say or do to cause me to stop loving her......I believe there is a certain kind of confidence one gains when they know in their hearts that SOMEone loves them no matter what.

That doesn't mean that I will always LIKE her...<smile> But I will ALways love her.

There are several others in my life whom I love unconditionally. And they know it. :)







MysticOceansFL 08-31-2014 08:29 PM

Yes there can be unconditional love as long as it's not abused in anyway just like many different levels of love.


QueenofSmirks 09-08-2014 08:36 PM

People often confuse love (an emotion) for behavior. You can love someone (emotion) and still leave them (behavior). You can (and people often do) love someone, despite the things they have done. You can still love someone who treats you badly, you can still love someone and be appalled at their behavior toward someone or something else. Loving someone does not mean putting up with their bullshit, or being okay with or forgiving everything they think, do, or say. Love is an emotion, and it can and does exist for some people outside of behavior.

"Unconditional love" means "I love you, no matter what". It doesn't imply love for eternity and it doesn't mean "I will always stay in a relationship with you, no matter what."

JDeere 09-26-2016 10:12 PM

No, not in my opinion, but this is my short and simple answer.

Lyte 09-26-2016 10:28 PM

No such thing as conditional love... not from humans anyway.

~ocean 09-26-2016 10:53 PM

LOLOL lyte I can't stop laughing cause ur right not from humans soo if someone loves u like ur a puppy they love u unconditonaly lolol

bmer 09-26-2016 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~ocean (Post 1096636)
LOLOL lyte I can't stop laughing cause ur right not from humans soo if someone loves u like ur a puppy they love u unconditonaly lolol

As a mother. Yes there is such a thing as unconditional love. The rest of the world... I am still working on that.

C0LLETTE 09-26-2016 11:32 PM

There is nothing my daughter could do or be that would make me stop loving her...NOTHING.


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