Aren't you looking forward to our own Alvin Greene?:jester:

I am so against open primaries. Esp the CA law. The CA law says that, regardless of party affiliation, the 2 candidates who receive the most votes will face off in the general election . That means in a good part of CA you will have 2 Republican facing each other in the general election. I don't think that is choice at all.

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I don't think the escrow thing is posturing. I think it may indeed happen.

Tonight should be interesting.

Rep. Ed Towns of NY went to see for himself the Gulf. He stated to some reporter that it is BP's problem, and they have to be responsible for paying the bill for the cleanup, not taxpayers. President Obama vows to hold BP responsible for this nightmare. We all will see how this plays out.

Then the reporter stated that in the Florida panhandle oil bloobs are now coming ashore. :candle:

President Obama will be on in 3 hours to address this. I hope he turns it around, and help those who lost everything.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t6rV3U9ZEH...abamaWaves.jpg

Tragic image of Alabama's waves.

What did you think of Obama's speech?

I couldn't believe all the references to God and Prayer. ugh.

Do you really want to get me started on the speech?

i'll prolly get myself booted and timed out :|

That photo is tragedy, it sickens me to death

I was less than impressed with the overall content, and disgusted by the god and prayer stuff.

All this references to God an prayer is his way of spouting words God didnt do this ,BP and greed did this.The only way its ever going to be cleaned up is for ppl to just do it and hope they get paid at some point for the work,just siting around and waiting for someone to take charge isnt working at all.

Did he go off script? Because the script only had one God reference besides the good night and God bless at the end and that was him quoting a priest.

I have to read everything now. I got rid of cable. Life is better. Much better.

*banging my head on my desk* *again* *again*

what Rachel Maddow said.........

*bangin head desk*

I am trying to remember some stupid ass joke about smelly undies and soap and rinse repeat....holding undies to nose....soap rinse...nose soap rinse repeat....

a very small part of what Saran Palin said is right.....

*bangin head*
*wash, rinse*
please do not tell me to 'repeat'

and I haven't even begun to think about all the God crap that came out of his mouth........

The last six paragraphs of the speech were a little sermon:
It's a faith in the future that sustains us as a people. It is that same faith that sustains our neighbors in the Gulf right now.


Each year, at the beginning of shrimping season, the region's fishermen take part in a tradition that was brought to America long ago by fishing immigrants from Europe. It's called "The Blessing of the Fleet," and today it's a celebration where clergy from different religions gather to say a prayer for the safety and success of the men and women who will soon head out to sea -– some for weeks at a time.


The ceremony goes on in good times and in bad. It took place after Katrina, and it took place a few weeks ago –- at the beginning of the most difficult season these fishermen have ever faced.


And still, they came and they prayed. For as a priest and former fisherman once said of the tradition, "The blessing is not that God has promised to remove all obstacles and dangers. The blessing is that He is with us always," a blessing that's granted "even in the midst of the storm."


The oil spill is not the last crisis America will face. This nation has known hard times before and we will surely know them again. What sees us through -– what has always seen us through –- is our strength, our resilience, and our unyielding faith that something better awaits us if we summon the courage to reach for it.


Tonight, we pray for that courage. We pray for the people of the Gulf. And we pray that a hand may guide us through the storm towards a brighter day. Thank you, God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America.

I found it and listened to it later last night. Yeah, I see what you're saying. And he was off script a little. I almost feel like it was a fuck you to the wingnuts who keep calling him a Muslim or keeping beating him over the head over his middle name. And it did capture the spirituality of the fishing community. I hate having anyone's religon rammed down my throat too, but I can give him a pass on that at this point in his Administration. At least God isn't telling him to go invade countries.

I'm not overly concerned about his "faith" and God references because we all know it's about as genuine as....... :praying:

Here we are: broke, polluted, exploited, lied to, jerked around, and basically left for dead ignorant fools…

I just read about how Al Gore now blames Obama for the Gulf of Mexico disaster. And of course, he lambastes the media as well. Where was Gore when he was playing the same games with global warming? Where was his contempt for the same paradigm that supported his lies while he enriched himself? :readfineprint:

This country used to be able to pick itself up, dust itself off, and shake off the BS and get on with things. Right now is about as close to that point as many of us will ever see again in our lifetime. We better wake the F up and soon.

:annoyed:

Link, please?

Dear Americans, it so saddens me to see all of this evil happening to our lands and to the lands of the world. May you find your peace in the midst of it.

Folks; I've been awake all night trying to understand why our government would not accept help and take away our constitutional rights during this catastrophy. Now I'm thinking it could be because of the methane bulge on the ocean floor which can explode. Did anyone hear about this new info? I've been searching for hours. Here at http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease...thegreat-dying is what they said methane can do in the ocean.

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/...shore?page=0,0


Sorry, but you have to subscribe to read the entire piece. :cigar2:

Yeah! Rachel Maddow for President! She'll get something done! Isn't she awesome?

I have to speak up, I can't watch my home country going down the crapper without speaking up to help the people understand what the hail is going on?... you realize that this 'spill' is in a media black out to the world? Well... I've witnessed many black outs, you see... there is no real 'free' press anymore - the 'main stream' media is owned by corporate America. They choose what news you've been hearing for years, yeah - it's a propaganda machine.

The more you censor the words of people the more fascist this country is going to remain. The people need to speak up now, more than ever in the history of our country, it's going to take the chains of the Constitution to unbind America or she will fall further into fascism.

There's a few pulses to what's really happening in America, on some sites with threads, if it's not too heavily monitored to shut the people up and where the people are allowed to speak, you can get better idea of what's happening - sites like Twitter and Facebook, possibly?

Let me get this straight.

- BP spill destroys gulf environment, wildlife, businesses, jobs, health.

- President negotiates with BP for a $20B escrow account to pay damages.

- Republicans are outraged that BP has to put up money, apologize to BP.
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- People still actually vote for these yahoos.

Proving once again that I live in the land of the truly stupid.

It seems that even Boehner and Cantor thought the comments were too much, and those two have set the bar really high...

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Oh well, I guess I'll never get to read about how Gore blames Obama for the Gulf of Mexico disaster. Too bad, I was really curious what that actually means. Maybe some non-pay service will pick up the news and report it. After all, if Obama personally caused the explosion, that's kinda a front-page headline.

Welcome to Aj's School of "How to Think Republican"
 

MsD:

I may not have posted this here before so I'll do it now. You see, you are laboring under the liberal delusion that sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. It isn't. Let me explain:

Let's say that a Republican is walking by a burning house and sees a child in the window. He rushes in and saves the child. That is American can-do spirit and Christian charity at its best, proving that only in America would adults rush in to save a child because only in America is life valued.

Same situation except this time it’s a Democrat. She rushes in and saves the child. That's just Democrats wanting 'big nanny state' control over the lives of ordinary Americans. Perhaps that child WANTED to be burnt to death. Perhaps the parents of that child CHOOSE to have that child burnt to death. Who is this Democrat to 'rescue' the child? At any rate, the child should have the foresight to be fireproof. You don't see ME in a window of a burning house trying to get out do you? What happened to good ol' American can-do spirit.

You see the difference? In the case of the Republican rescuing the child is an unqualified good thing. In the case of the Democrat it's just one more step on the road to tyranny.

Now, as far as the tragedy unfolding in the Gulf. How we should frame this is sensitively dependent upon the party occupying the White House. Since this is a Democratic administration, holding BP responsible is yet another step on the road to tyranny. Perhaps the people of the Gulf WANT oil on their beaches. Perhaps they want to get out of the shrimping industry. Who are a bunch of Washington bureaucrats to say that the people in these industries should have to stay in them just because they say they "want" to? At any rate, we should let the market speak. If people don't like oil on beaches they won't go to those beaches and new industries will sprout up elsewhere. Looked at through the correct (read Republican) light BP is the REAL victim here.

If a Republican were in President demanding that BP make restitution would be a show of strength of the American President and a sign that no American is going to get pushed around by some tea-sipping English elitist. But it's a Democratic President so All Real Americans (tm) should see that the mere *thought* of corporations being held responsible is something so horrific that not even Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Usama bin Laden *combined* would contemplate such a thing.

Got it?

Cover Up of Population Control

http://www.prisonplanet.com/msnbc-in...trol-plan.html

Popcorn:

I'm aware of this hypothesis and, as far as it goes to explain the P/T boundary extinction event it is certainly interesting. However, I don't think that it actually relates to *this* situation. There are concerns about a rapid release of methane (which is ALSO a greenhouse gas) but not because of the oil spill. Rather, there is a lot---I mean a HUGE amount--of methane locked up in the tundra and at the bottom of the ocean. If a large enough rise in temperature were to occur then that methane would be released into the atmosphere but not explosively. It would still be a BAD DAY but it wouldn't be a P/T extinction kind of bad day. Methane is a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO_2 but that is mitigated by having a very short (10 years) half-life in atmosphere.

I'm not aware of a large amount of methanehydrate at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico (full disclosure, I am NOT an oceanographer) and could not find anything to suggest that there is one. Whatever incompetencies and/or willful blindness on the part of our government regarding this disaster, I am fairly confident that fears of a P/T style extinction isn't one of them. I say this for two reasons--firstly, that kind of mass extinction is vanishingly improbable (while still having a probability that is not identical to zero) and is not likely to be triggered by THIS disaster. Secondly, there is a far more serious threat that we know, for a fact, has caused at least one mass extinction in the last 100 million years and our government is putting scant resources into either detecting the threat or planning what to do if (when?) that threat appears. I'm talking, of course, about large asteroids that are on orbits that might bring them perilously close to the Earth. (That said, a new large telescope has just gone online in Hawaii and it will be dedicated--at least part of the time--to detecting 'killer' asteroids.)

Thirdly, there are some things that if they happen we just can't do anything about. An asteroid we *might* be able to handle but if a very large pocket of methane is going to explode, it will happen without warning and if it's serious enough to cause a P/T scale extinction there's nothing we can do about it. The other one is a gamma-ray burst from an inconveniently near supernova. One of those would make for a VERY BAD DAY hear on Earth and we wouldn't know about it until it happened since the signal that it had happened would be the light from the supernova itself which would, of course, have gamma-rays as part of it.

I would't stay up worrying about the methane.

Cheers
Aj

Ummm....I don't even know where to begin. I think I'll start here:

"During a recent TED conference, an organization which is sponsored by one of the largest toxic waste polluters on the planet, Gates told the audience that vaccines need to be used to reduce world population figures in order to solve global warming and lower CO2 emissions to almost zero."

This is NOT what Bill Gates said. What's more, the author, Watson, is wrong when he states that vaccines, reproductive health services and improved health care wouldn't have a *downward* pressure on population growth. In fact, it would have a downward pressure for a very straightforward reason--the fewer babies that die in infancy or early childhood, the fewer children women tend to have. Unless you are from a Mormon or conservative Catholic family, chances are your number of siblings is some number under 6. However, go back to generations born in the late 19th or early 20th century and that number will jump to 10 or more. My mother came from a family of 13! siblings. No member of her family had more than four kids. What was different? The 20th century improvement in medicine and public health.

The fact that both the main Prison Planet web site and the article (which is the ONLY reference to Bill Gate's statement about using vaccines to reduce population) use a howler of a statement and fail to link to the *full text* of Bill Gate's TED talk makes them suspect.

There is a great deal of non-trivial difference between trying to get to zero (or better yet, negative) population growth and an 80 to 90% die off.

Cheers
Aj

Appreciated your opinion AJ. I think what Kam meant was that without oil or some other cheap energy source, there would be no way to sustain the population we have now. The math does'nt add up. Population was steady for many centuries before the industrial revolution when it peaked.

I am a medical science researcher, I cannot tell you everything I know to be true - other than to let you know, this is what I do. I am currently researching the air, water, and rain water here, which I did the same in the South in America and have identified pathogens that are experimental in nature that came from the Gulf of Mexico - Mexico Beach/St. Joe, FL area. This is where Tyndall is, right where the oil spill is encroaching presently. I highly recommend that people in the surround States to the Gulf start thinking about moving out of the area, when the first storms come - they will be carrying very acidic/pathogenic rains. There is a YouTube out today and I totally agree with what they are saying:

MOVE OUT OF THE SOUTHERN STATES you are going to get sick

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvXd49G3daQ"]YouTube- oil spill - MOVE OUT OF THE SOUTHERN STATES you are going to get sick[/nomedia]

Not to mention the fires everywhere...Oh but then again BP is taking care of it so we should be safe.

A medical scientist researching air, water and rain water; care to be a bit more specific?

What pathogens? I have background in microbiology, virology and parasitology, so I would prefer details and specificity.

What does Tyndall Air Force Base (I assume that's what you mean by Tyndall) located near Panama City have to do with anything?

I would agree that, depending on the hurricane season, there is legitimate concern about what those storms will do in terms of washing more of that toxic goo to shore and what it means if any of that toxic goo gets caught up in the wind, rain and storm surge of any size hurricane.

I would agree there is a real problem with those folks cleaning up this goo on the shore not having appropriate safety gear. There will be and already are health consequences.

With all the conflicting reports from many sources, it's hard to figure out who is in charge when it comes to the press having access and what is staged and what is accurate.

The longer that well head spews oil, mud and gas the worse the scenario gets.

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popcorn.........

you can't be serious about some conspiracy between Obama and BP to have a 'little leak' for whatever reason.......really you can't believe that.......it's, frankly, a ludicrous idea.

I assume the fires you are talking about is BP intentionally setting some areas of surface oil on fire. They have been doing that off and on since the beginning. It is a common practice across the world. I'm not sure what you mean by 'fires everywhere'......could you explain a bit more?

Here's one thing that's needed - skimmers, except the U.S. has an environmental ban on them, the Dutch have been on standby since early May.

Ask your Congressman to get the environmental ban lifted on the Dutch skimmers

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/du...s-oil-disaster

http://www.examiner.com/x-325-Global...y-oil-skimmers

headline:

U.S. reconsiders Dutch offer to supply oil skimmers

please note: I do not believe ANY oil should be drilled for in the ocean at any depth.