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DamselFly 03-31-2011 11:59 AM

good afternoon!
 
qingduo guan zhao! Glad to be here! for someone who got no sleep last night, i'm doing pretty well! still cold here, so that means MAYBE the long walk to the postbox. i've been feeling bad these last several days-dr. visits really take the energy out of me, plus they're playing around w/my meds! i dislike that the first thing a new dr does is change meds. i don't understand why, if things are working, they fell they've got to tinker w/it anyway. must be something learned in med school on patient relations (not good!)
that's my rant for the morning! going to get lunch now!
namaste,
DamselFly :tea:

Toughy 03-31-2011 09:11 PM

you can tell the MD that you don't want to change your meds......they are working just fine (assuming they are)...you really can say no........they need need to give you a good reason for changing them....'tinkering' is bullshit...

DomnNC 03-31-2011 10:52 PM

You have to be careful nowadays about refusing to follow your Dr's orders. More and more if you refuse to change meds when they dictate or do certain therapies they have the right to refuse to be your Dr, then they report you to your insurance company and they refuse to pay for meds that your Dr has recommended you come off of EVEN if they are working for you. There are reasons at times that a Dr will change your meds up, it can be that after a certain time the drug you are taking becomes toxic to you or no longer is handling whatever health situation you are taking them for depending on tests results.

My mother was given 2 different drugs for treatment of osteoperosis, she had bad reactions to both of them, Actinol and another one, can't recall the name. A new Dr wanted her to take Reclast (the once a year IV thing). She told him about the two bad reactions she had to the pill form and asked him if this drug was different, he told her it was basically an IV of the same pills. She said ok, so if I start having a bad reaction how do you get it out of my system, is there an antidote, to which he replied no, so based on her history with these type of drugs she said I'd prefer not to take it then. He looked at her and said well if you aren't going to follow my advice you need to leave my office and find another Dr. He had best be glad I didn't accompany her on that visit. So you have to be careful what you say to Dr's nowadays. He reported her to her insurance company who then refused to pay for the pill versions which was ok since she couldn't take them anyway. The insurance companies have taken over our lives little by little, while we pay ridiculous insurance rates and they have the senators and congressmen in their hip pockets with all the perks they give them.

Miss Scarlett 04-01-2011 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DomnNC (Post 311818)
You have to be careful nowadays about refusing to follow your Dr's orders. More and more if you refuse to change meds when they dictate or do certain therapies they have the right to refuse to be your Dr, then they report you to your insurance company and they refuse to pay for meds that your Dr has recommended you come off of EVEN if they are working for you. There are reasons at times that a Dr will change your meds up, it can be that after a certain time the drug you are taking becomes toxic to you or no longer is handling whatever health situation you are taking them for depending on tests results.

My mother was given 2 different drugs for treatment of osteoperosis, she had bad reactions to both of them, Actinol and another one, can't recall the name. A new Dr wanted her to take Reclast (the once a year IV thing). She told him about the two bad reactions she had to the pill form and asked him if this drug was different, he told her it was basically an IV of the same pills. She said ok, so if I start having a bad reaction how do you get it out of my system, is there an antidote, to which he replied no, so based on her history with these type of drugs she said I'd prefer not to take it then. He looked at her and said well if you aren't going to follow my advice you need to leave my office and find another Dr. He had best be glad I didn't accompany her on that visit. So you have to be careful what you say to Dr's nowadays. He reported her to her insurance company who then refused to pay for the pill versions which was ok since she couldn't take them anyway. The insurance companies have taken over our lives little by little, while we pay ridiculous insurance rates and they have the senators and congressmen in their hip pockets with all the perks they give them.

Sadly this is true...

If i may add...sometimes you also take a chance by using insurance to fill or reimburse for prescriptions. My doctor put me on Metformin (a diabetes med) for PCOS (polycystic ovarian syndrome) and not diabetes. He warned me not to use my insurance because filling this with my insurance would flag me as diabetic and there would be consequences if my insurance company thought I was diabetic. So I get it filled at Target for $4 and they don't have any insurance info on me.

cuddlyfemme 04-01-2011 04:58 AM

Good Morning all you handsome Stone Butches and Femme's that adore them!

Toughy 04-01-2011 02:04 PM

If a doctor treats you like an idiot, requires you to do what they say, then file a complaint with the local AMA.....there are methods for stopping abusive behavior by practioners. Call your local TV station......they usually have an investigative arm for this kind of thing.

None of the behaviors or treatment described are ethical. It will not stop until consumers of their services stand up and report them. You are not a patient....you are a consumer and you have rights and responsibilities. Stop letting them abuse you. The Obama healthcare reform should help in stopping much of this kind of behavior.

Stop taking that kind of crap. The doctor is part of a team that includes you in all decision making.

DomnNC 04-01-2011 04:07 PM

Dr's do not have to accept you as a patient. They can refuse to treat you. If they couldn't refuse to treat you then the homeless, those without health insurance could go to the Dr of their choice and get treatment. Try getting treatment without money or insurance.

I have no problem with my Dr, he's been my Dr for almost 30 years, we have a good relationship and he listens to me. He hates insurance companies with a passion so he talks about them quite often. Did you know that a lot of insurance companies now require a questionnaire to be sent when they bill for their services now asking questions like how involved the patient is in their care, do they follow their Dr's guidelines, take medications he recommends etcetcetc, why do you think they ask you all those questions when the nurse checks you in before the Dr comes in. If you aren't following your Dr's advice and taking the meds he recommends or other things he recommends it's the insurance companies who will stop paying for certain meds/treatment if your Dr has recommended changing them. My Dr told me this himself during one of his rants about insurance companies.

edit: granted this was before reform and my mother's issue with a damn Dr was before reform.

DamselFly 04-04-2011 02:18 AM

more problems w/dr.s....
 
the primary care dr. i went to see when i first got here refused to refill most of the meds i was on from my previous primary care dr. so i've had to taper myself off as best i could. now, however, i'm running out of my pain meds, which are heavy-duty, and i really lack the expertise to taper myself off of these! i've left calls w/her that i need help plus am out of what she DID refill! she has not returned my calls. i could be in trouble if i went off these cold-turkey (not only extremely unpleasant withdrawal symptoms but life-threatening.) not to mention the fact that no dr. i've seen so far is offering me anything to replace what i've gone off for little things, like MS, RSD, Fibro, and migraines (which are getting worse)! i'm trying to find a new primary care dr. but i'm having a difficult time doing so. is it ethical for a dr. just to say "you shouldn't be on these" and not help you with HOW safely to stop taking the meds?
namaste,
DamselFly

cuddlyfemme 04-04-2011 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DamselFly (Post 313465)
the primary care dr. i went to see when i first got here refused to refill most of the meds i was on from my previous primary care dr. so i've had to taper myself off as best i could. now, however, i'm running out of my pain meds, which are heavy-duty, and i really lack the expertise to taper myself off of these! i've left calls w/her that i need help plus am out of what she DID refill! she has not returned my calls. i could be in trouble if i went off these cold-turkey (not only extremely unpleasant withdrawal symptoms but life-threatening.) not to mention the fact that no dr. i've seen so far is offering me anything to replace what i've gone off for little things, like MS, RSD, Fibro, and migraines (which are getting worse)! i'm trying to find a new primary care dr. but i'm having a difficult time doing so. is it ethical for a dr. just to say "you shouldn't be on these" and not help you with HOW safely to stop taking the meds?
namaste,
DamselFly

I remember there was one medicine that i had to be taken off of because it was damaging my liver big time. It was medicine for seizures and I had be carefully "weened" off the med and put back on the replacement drug. Now I have been to new primary care doctors who don't agree with the medicine the previou doctor had put me on but he/she always help me get off the med. I think that if a doctor wants you off a medicine that can have life threantening withdraw's then they should help with the withdraw. I hope this made sense since its 4am here[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

DomnNC 04-04-2011 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DamselFly (Post 313465)
the primary care dr. i went to see when i first got here refused to refill most of the meds i was on from my previous primary care dr. so i've had to taper myself off as best i could. now, however, i'm running out of my pain meds, which are heavy-duty, and i really lack the expertise to taper myself off of these! i've left calls w/her that i need help plus am out of what she DID refill! she has not returned my calls. i could be in trouble if i went off these cold-turkey (not only extremely unpleasant withdrawal symptoms but life-threatening.) not to mention the fact that no dr. i've seen so far is offering me anything to replace what i've gone off for little things, like MS, RSD, Fibro, and migraines (which are getting worse)! i'm trying to find a new primary care dr. but i'm having a difficult time doing so. is it ethical for a dr. just to say "you shouldn't be on these" and not help you with HOW safely to stop taking the meds?
namaste,
DamselFly

Call your Dr's office and ask to speak to the Dr's nurse and go over all this with her. Most often you can get the nurse to return your call. Dr's for the most part do not return patients calls unless they've been your PCP for a long long period of time. Don't leave a message with the receptionist, chances are the Dr will never know you called.

Toughy 04-04-2011 12:29 PM

once again unethical and dangerous behavior from a clinician..........please call your state medical board and file a complaint as well as ask them for assistance and guidance.....

DapperButch 04-04-2011 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamselFly (Post 313465)
the primary care dr. i went to see when i first got here refused to refill most of the meds i was on from my previous primary care dr. so i've had to taper myself off as best i could. now, however, i'm running out of my pain meds, which are heavy-duty, and i really lack the expertise to taper myself off of these! i've left calls w/her that i need help plus am out of what she DID refill! she has not returned my calls. i could be in trouble if i went off these cold-turkey (not only extremely unpleasant withdrawal symptoms but life-threatening.) not to mention the fact that no dr. i've seen so far is offering me anything to replace what i've gone off for little things, like MS, RSD, Fibro, and migraines (which are getting worse)! i'm trying to find a new primary care dr. but i'm having a difficult time doing so. is it ethical for a dr. just to say "you shouldn't be on these" and not help you with HOW safely to stop taking the meds?
namaste,
DamselFly

It surprises me to think that your PCP would not give you information as to how you should taper your medication. Perhaps you should consider calling the physician who prescribed the medication? That person should be able to give you some advice and would be the one responsible for making sure you have the medications you need until you find a PCP you are comfortable with.

Also, around here pain medication is handled by pain management doctors and not PCP physicians. These doctors specialize in making sure folks are not in pain, yet don't fall into addiction (which can happen to the best intentioned individual).

I sorry you are having a hard time. I can see how it would be frustrating. Good luck.

Miss Scarlett 04-04-2011 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DomnNC (Post 313519)
Call your Dr's office and ask to speak to the Dr's nurse and go over all this with her. Most often you can get the nurse to return your call. Dr's for the most part do not return patients calls unless they've been your PCP for a long long period of time. Don't leave a message with the receptionist, chances are the Dr will never know you called.

This is excellent advice...especially about not leaving a message with the receptionist...i had a similar experience many years ago but with an endodontist...was having a lot of trouble following some root canals...every time i called the receptionist said the same thing..."Continue your warm water swishes..." Ended up just driving down to the office and demanding to see the dentist...that and the fact that my jaw looked like i had a softball in it finally got results.

What i'm trying to say is that you have to take some proactive steps - this isn't some favour they are doing for you. You are paying for this and by accepting you as a patient they have a duty and obligation to treat you and do so responsibly. i hate to suggest you change doctors again but you may have to do that. Have you tried contacting your former physician to ask for some help? It's worth a try.

Your profile says you are in Oklahoma. Here's the link to the Oklahoma Board of Medical Licensure and Supervision Complaint Procedures

cuddlyfemme 04-06-2011 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett (Post 313805)
This is excellent advice...especially about not leaving a message with the receptionist...i had a similar experience many years ago but with an endodontist...was having a lot of trouble following some root canals...every time i called the receptionist said the same thing..."Continue your warm water swishes..." Ended up just driving down to the office and demanding to see the dentist...that and the fact that my jaw looked like i had a softball in it finally got results.

What i'm trying to say is that you have to take some proactive steps - this isn't some favour they are doing for you. You are paying for this and by accepting you as a patient they have a duty and obligation to treat you and do so responsibly. i hate to suggest you change doctors again but you may have to do that. Have you tried contacting your former physician to ask for some help? It's worth a try.

Your profile says you are in Oklahoma. Here's the link to the Oklahoma Board of Medical Licensure and Supervision Complaint Procedures

I totally agree with not leaving a message with the receptionist. Its been my experience that the doctor (or nurse) never gets it. Luckily at my doctor's office there's a code you can push to talk directly to the nurse. I've also learned in my search for a doctor (have looked for alot of doctors in my time) is to make sure the doctor is Board Certified. I'm not sure why that is but its something many doctors and nurses have told me. Good luck!

cuddlyfemme 04-08-2011 07:52 AM

Gooood Morning all you handsome Stone Butches and those who love you all for who you are!!!

DamselFly 04-08-2011 08:03 AM

bad news from eye dr
 
my glaucoma specialist, very kind and at the best eye clinic in OK (affiliated w/OU's medical complex), says that in one month, i have lost another 5% of my optic nerve in my R eye. he doesn't know why my vision is deteriorating so quickly but says that all i can do is use medication to hold on to what little remains of my vision in both eyes. since i have so little of the optic nerve left in either eye, surgery is not recommended. truth be told, i am now not so slowly going totally blind. that's the reason i am not online so much anymore-i have to rest my eyes after a session. i am learning braille, trying to determine where would be the best place to live (for very low-income person on SSD with impaired vision), and "seeing" into the possibility of getting a service dog. having made peace w/being alone for the second half of my life will now stand me in good stead, i will make a great friend to A/anyone but no longer anticipate any relationships in the future, though am still open to the possibility,
namaste,
damselfly:moonstars:

Dutch Leonard 04-09-2011 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by southernboi63 (Post 310514)
I have to agreee with you DomnNC. I define myself as Stone but as I have read I find myself as being confussed. For myself, when I am with that special woman, When we are tgether in the bedroom, I get off by getting her off by me penertrating her. I like being touched but not penertation at all, I feel as if I were born in the wrong body, I wear mens clothing, boxers, eveything....I pack all the time so what would you classify me if not a stoner... the only thing I see if anything would be the touching... I need help//\\

It doesn't look like you need help to me, some are so stone they allow no touching some just don't want the penetration. You are the boss of how it works. I don't think you are confused.

DamselFly 04-10-2011 10:01 AM

just saying "zhaoshanghao"
 
dropping in to say GOOD MORNING to A/all and to thank E/everyone for T/their most helpful advice concerning my medical problems! many thanks to A/all for listening!
*with humble gratitude*
namaste,
DamselFly:moonstars:

asphaltcowboi 04-10-2011 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by southernboi63 (Post 310514)
I have to agreee with you DomnNC. I define myself as Stone but as I have read I find myself as being confussed. For myself, when I am with that special woman, When we are tgether in the bedroom, I get off by getting her off by me penertrating her. I like being touched but not penertation at all, I feel as if I were born in the wrong body, I wear mens clothing, boxers, eveything....I pack all the time so what would you classify me if not a stoner... the only thing I see if anything would be the touching... I need help//\\

im stone and am very close to the same.. i dont think your confused.. i do think we all have our personal aganda sexualy. some of us (me) do not allow touch below the belt other than my butch cock. i expect to be treated as if that was what i was born with.. lol now maybe im confused? am i t/g? im confertable with the stone lable so that is what i wear. i feel male but reconize that im female. i dont want to become male. i do not want to lose touch with my female side because i believe __for me__ it is what allows me to feel the way i do with a woman..

Miss Scarlett 04-10-2011 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cody (Post 317223)
im stone and am very close to the same.. i dont think your confused.. i do think we all have our personal aganda sexualy. some of us (me) do not allow touch below the belt other than my butch cock. i expect to be treated as if that was what i was born with.. lol now maybe im confused? am i t/g? im confertable with the stone lable so that is what i wear. i feel male but reconize that im female. i dont want to become male. i do not want to lose touch with my female side because i believe __for me__ it is what allows me to feel the way i do with a woman..

cody i don't think you're at all confused...i hate the labels but we seem to have them for everything in our lives...i have t/g friends and i don't think of them as t/g...i just think of them as my friends...

cuddlyfemme 06-07-2011 06:08 AM

Good morning all you wonderful Stone Butches! Have a wonderful day

LaneyDoll 06-07-2011 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sassy_girl (Post 231097)
I don't understand limiting your dating pool by what someone has wanted or wanted in sex. I could never not want to be with someone because of what they want or don't want sexually, I suppose if that would be a dealbreaker for me ( I can't even imagine) it would be different.

I guess I just don't see what is wrong with two people getting together and discovering what energy/magic/vibes they get off each other and rolling with it. The way I have been with one lover does not define how I will be with another lover..

It all just seems so predefined. I'm trying to understand I suppose.

Sidenote, I am reading this thread start to finish so I may make more than one comment; this is the first post I wanted to reply to.

Well said! I tend to be pretty accepting of people and their preferences. I am that way b/c I learned a long time ago to never close a door-life will close plenty for you. There again, I am an extremely open-minded person and I am still learning that it is a rare quality. I have always been of the mindset that as long as "we" enjoy each other and find what works for "us" then that is what matters. I have dated butch women, andro women and stone butches and I have found that we always seem to find what suits us.

:)

Electrocell 07-01-2011 08:44 PM

Hey Stones
 
Now this looks like a thread I need to subscribe to.

MaggieBluIze 07-02-2011 09:05 AM

Good Morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Electrocell 07-02-2011 09:22 AM

Morning all
 
Slept in this morn and man it felt good. Have to get busy here soon working on my car and a lady friend's truck.

MaggieBluIze 07-02-2011 09:28 AM

It feels so wonderful to be able to do that ... I agree!!

I think that's really great you're going to be helping your friend with her truck ... I would give anything (just about ;)) to have a friend close by that knew how to work on vehicles when needed. That is an amazingly wonderful skill to have. :)

Electrocell 07-02-2011 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieBluIze (Post 370215)
It feels so wonderful to be able to do that ... I agree!!

I think that's really great you're going to be helping your friend with her truck ... I would give anything (just about ;)) to have a friend close by that knew how to work on vehicles when needed. That is an amazingly wonderful skill to have. :)

I just do what needs to be done lol definetly don't want to be a full time mechanic lol.

msW8ing 07-04-2011 09:33 AM

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Electrocell 07-07-2011 06:41 PM

Wanders in ,looks around, shrugs and leaves.

Converse 07-07-2011 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Electrocell (Post 374273)
Wanders in ,looks around, shrugs and leaves.

:curtain: Hello.

Converse 07-07-2011 07:01 PM

:deepthoughts:Ok Lets try this….

For the people who have partnered with a Stone Butch, I’m curious what was the “thought process” that you went through the very first time- did you discuss it before/afterwards with the Butch or others, was it a surprise, something you had to adjust to – or did you know that you were looking for a Stone, and what that would mean?

princessbelle 07-07-2011 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Converse (Post 374289)
:deepthoughts:Ok Lets try this….

For the people who have partnered with a Stone Butch, I’m curious what was the “thought process” that you went through the very first time- did you discuss it before/afterwards with the Butch or others, was it a surprise, something you had to adjust to – or did you know that you were looking for a Stone, and what that would mean?

Good questions. For me, i had been on the dash site and dance awhile before i had my first experience with a Stone. I had read a lot, so i was at least somewhat knowledgable of what stone meant. I adjusted quite easily and just tried to be polite and respectful and i certainly hope that was accomplished.

What i have found, however, is that even with the ID as stone, it is still so individualized that nothing is written in...yes i'm gonna say it....stone.

I, personally, don't seek out stone, or FTM or whatever the ID. If i'm attracted, i'm attracted. If it goes farther than that and things get moving, communication is the key of course. Yes i would ask the questions of boundries which are VERY important with any ID.

I've dated a couple, ok a few, stones and none of them are exactly the same with the way they see themselves or their boundries.

Dating someone who IDs as stone, in my experience, is not a cut and dry identity and thankfully it is unique, informative, and exciting each time.

Electrocell 07-07-2011 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Converse (Post 374285)
:curtain: Hello.

Hi and welcome.

lillith 07-07-2011 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Converse (Post 374289)
:deepthoughts:Ok Lets try this….

For the people who have partnered with a Stone Butch, I’m curious what was the “thought process” that you went through the very first time- did you discuss it before/afterwards with the Butch or others, was it a surprise, something you had to adjust to – or did you know that you were looking for a Stone, and what that would mean?

The very first time I heard the term, I thought, "OK. They must smoke a lot of weed." I asked that question, and was very fortunate to have someone in my life who gently laughed and said, "No." When hy explained things to me, it made sense to me, but I also felt a curious mixture of excitement and repulsion. I told hym that I needed some time to digest what hy said. I understood why I was excited, but I couldn't wrap my head around why I was repulsed. After a couple of days and some serious searching, I came to the conclusion that it was too hetero. I was dedicated to my lesbian sex. I explained all of this to hym, and we agreed friends would be best. There was a nagging, deep feeling I couldn't shake about it all, though. I approached hym and asked hym to show me. And good God-Almighty, did hy ever! Things were so profound that I could no longer say that I was lesbian. I had been "flipped," as it were.

It has been many years since that story, and I have learned that there is no predescribed definition. I have met stones who are hardcore no you don't touch me except for my back to stones who don't look at their biological sex as something other than a mini cock that should be worshiped. I think the point for me is that I am who I am. I am a pleaser and giver and a receiver. What all those mean depends on the relationship and what is agreed to and at any point agreements can change because there are no set rules for me.

CherylNYC 07-07-2011 10:02 PM

Because I'm a stonefemme my ideal partner would be a stone butch. My late gf was nearly stone, so it worked out very well for us. She allowed a certain amount of touching under some rare circumstances, but it wasn't common for her to be very interested in that sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by lillith (Post 374356)
... There was a nagging, deep feeling I couldn't shake about it all, though. I approached hym and asked hym to show me. And good God-Almighty, did hy ever! Things were so profound that I could no longer say that I was lesbian. I had been "flipped," as it were.

...I have met stones who are hardcore no you don't touch me except for my back to stones who don't look at their biological sex as something other than a mini cock that should be worshiped.

I don't see why being a stonefemme, or a stone butch for that matter, means that we aren't lesbians. My late gf IDed as such, and I certainly do, too. She was an old school butch who IDed as a lesbian, stone butch, butch dyke, and/or leatherdyke top. All of those IDs were female to her, and she didn't feel compelled to call herself anything other than a woman. A very, VERY butch woman. She had a vagina and a clit, just like any other woman. Being stone meant that she was the pitcher. My stonefemme nature means I'm the catcher. No more, no less.

I'm a lesbian and my sex is stone sex. I assume that no one on this site is going to be foolish enough to tell me that I'm not a lesbian because I'm a stonefemme.

Gemme 07-07-2011 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Converse (Post 374289)
:deepthoughts:Ok Lets try this….

For the people who have partnered with a Stone Butch, I’m curious what was the “thought process” that you went through the very first time- did you discuss it before/afterwards with the Butch or others, was it a surprise, something you had to adjust to – or did you know that you were looking for a Stone, and what that would mean?

I don't think I had a conscious thought process in the matter, but looking back on past relationships, I see a very distinct movement...a graduation from one end of the spectrum to the other, with Stone being the final destination. So, when I was finally with someone who was Stone, I just *knew*.

Sure, there were specific boundaries to define and outline and, as previously mentioned, those are very specific to the individual, but relationships felt right for the first time ever. I didn't have to try so hard to be 'right' or do the 'right' things and I wasn't made to feel guilty or selfish about my own boundaries. I felt seen for the first time in forever.

That fact....the ease of it all...was surprising to me. I tend to unintentionally...subconsciously...make things more difficult than they need to be but not this.

lillith 07-07-2011 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CherylNYC (Post 374432)
Because I'm a stonefemme my ideal partner would be a stone butch. My late gf was nearly stone, so it worked out very well for us. She allowed a certain amount of touching under some rare circumstances, but it wasn't common for her to be very interested in that sort of thing.



I don't see why being a stonefemme, or a stone butch for that matter, means that we aren't lesbians. My late gf IDed as such, and I certainly do, too. She was an old school butch who IDed as a lesbian, stone butch, butch dyke, and/or leatherdyke top. All of those IDs were female to her, and she didn't feel compelled to call herself anything other than a woman. A very, VERY butch woman. She had a vagina and a clit, just like any other woman. Being stone meant that she was the pitcher. My stonefemme nature means I'm the catcher. No more, no less.

I'm a lesbian and my sex is stone sex. I assume that no one on this site is going to be foolish enough to tell me that I'm not a lesbian because I'm a stonefemme.

Cheryl, I appreciate your candid answer. You are absolutely right, no one here can tell you what your ID is. Part of the point of my post was to describe my experience as well as to show the broad range of ideas that Stone encompasses. I just don't ID as a lesbian and that doesn't make my ID any more or less than anyone else's or your's for that matter. It is not where I am in life.

BullDog 07-07-2011 11:08 PM

I am a stone butch and I am a lesbian, therefore I have lesbian sex.

cuddlyfemme 07-08-2011 05:07 AM

Good Morning Handsome Stone Butches and wonderful Stone Femme's!

morningstar55 07-08-2011 06:15 AM

morning Stoners... :)

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ok i should know the answer to this ?
but ... does dating a stone butch .... make me a stone femme??
soo many variations


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