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Sachita 02-21-2010 04:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Bo (Post 54707)
I think he was willing to trade ALOT of people's lives for it. Do you seriously believe he thought he'd be the only one to die??? You gotta be kidding me.
That whole fucking building could've exploded.

I truly can not fathom you people and your rationale.

*shakes head*
no, not kidding you. I think that he snapped but even in crazy ass mode he took a calculated risk even though he knew his own life would end. I don't see this man as being hap-hearted but one that gave it a lot of thought and fueled with that passionate insanity made an extreme statement. One which I feel would have easily been any of us caught in that moment.

For the record I do not condone his actions but the last thing I'd ever call him is a coward.

he had nothing to lose. He burned his house not to hurt his family but that they would have taken it anyhow. Can't you see this? He might have done a terrible deed in the macro cosmic scope of things but in his microcosmic world he acted with passion and a great statement.

when our government make a choice for the good of all they don't consider the tripling effect it will have on the masses. They will defend their agenda even if it means killing innocent lives. This is proven through history. Women, children, whoever is in it's course is victim to that greater cause. I think it's bullshit but at the same time I sit back and wonder what would happen if they didnt? It it an acceptable action and we accept it in the name that is all free... such fucking BS. If you can but that program then why not but this one?

I think it's a double agenda but as sheeple you'd never see that because as humans we are condition to acception, play into the system and punish ourselves for thinking differently.

Fuck that nonsense.

Sachita 02-21-2010 05:10 PM
and further fucking more...

think about why you feel this way. Do you sit back and think about the countless women and children killed in Vietnam? On the news we hear about Afghanistan and all of our soldiers killed but do we think about the obstruction we have created? hell fucking no.

Blind your eyes. Take a pathetic stance to this agenda where a man just simply had enough and took singular action. I suppose it would have been different if he had an army, that we all paid for out of our blood, sweat and fucking tears.... then he'd be a fucking hero.

Think about your compassion and where you place your morals. Life is a bitch and every corner you turn there is someone's agenda ready to stand up and challenge you. Think about whats really important to you. Sometimes the most devastating acts, the most painful brings about the most change. Although I don't agree with his actions I do know, from the bottom of my heart, that this will create consciousness, good, bad or indifferent, but the end result will be people looking at this and thinking "holy fuck, why are we putting up with this shit." meanwhile the cheerleaders are shouthing, "We're not going to take this shit NO FUCKING MORE!"

now put that shit in your pipe and smoke it... lol, wait, they made that illegal. So lets just booze ourselves to death and pay the tax to the government.

~Bo 02-21-2010 05:18 PM
Ok.....so then tell me what good did it do. Does it solve the problems you're talking about? No. Didn't do a damn thing but take innocent lives.

And talking about the wars is a whole other issue. This is about some ass flying a plane into a building. Period. And that's all I am concerned with. You can come up with all the excuses you want to. What he did was chicken shit and cowardice.

Why didn't he just face life like a man. What he did proves nothing and solves nothing.

AtLast 02-21-2010 05:39 PM
From reports that I have seen/read concerning this man's family and what they are going through, I can see no way in which his acts helped them in anyway. In fact, his actions (partly stated within his delusional thinking), has rendered them targets for shame, criticism, further investgation, fear, loss, and plain social ostricism far more cruel than what they endured prior to these acts. I don't buy that this had any semblence love of one's family or that his actions were not selfish (even though, I do not view him as a rational, sane person).

This man's sense of entitlement goes beyond outrageous!

Further, although he was having financial problems (who the hell isn't these days?), the fact that he had a home and a plane (ummmm.... not exactly coming from a place of poverty) is not lost on the fact that if one wants to get back on track financially, we usually cut back and develop a plan to get back on our feet. He was the one that didn't file an income tax return. And many people don't, but they don't fly planes into buildings. Also, there are several programs in which people can file returns and work out tax debt under (although, I don't think this is the whole story about this situation).

For me, there is no justification for wiping out a building, and killing and injuring people that happen to work for an institution one hates. Hey, I have some not so great feelings about governmental insitutions, and acts by our government, but I am not going to blow-up buildings and people.

I also don't buy that we are so damn helpless with effecting change in our government and laws.

Sachita 02-21-2010 06:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Bo (Post 54751)
Ok.....so then tell me what good did it do. Does it solve the problems you're talking about? No. Didn't do a damn thing but take innocent lives.

And talking about the wars is a whole other issue. This is about some ass flying a plane into a building. Period. And that's all I am concerned with. You can come up with all the excuses you want to. What he did was chicken shit and cowardice.

Why didn't he just face life like a man. What he did proves nothing and solves nothing.
period is operative in a manner of opinion and obviously , , each person has one, even you. Aside from the prevalent bullshit herein, the facts all remain, the debate, as always diversified and the only thing we all agree on is that it was not cool, what he did, BUT he did it. The differences are that some call him a coward and others have various agendas or words for a man that took such action. I'm on the fence but leaning in his favor, not because what I think he was right BUT that he actually fucking did it. I am the the fuckimg coward because I'd never have the fucking guts to commit sucks an act.

those are my words and I'm sticking to it! :pipe:

SuperFemme 02-21-2010 07:32 PM
It's not like we don't all know..
 
That we can call her for help. She could've gotten him down to a few bucks. Geeze.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acaLSpE6XZE"]YouTube- Roni Lynn Deutch[/ame]

Kimbo 02-21-2010 08:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sachita (Post 54794)
period is operative in a manner of opinion and obviously , , each person has one, even you. Aside from the prevalent bullshit herein, the facts all remain, the debate, as always diversified and the only thing we all agree on is that it was not cool, what he did, BUT he did it. The differences are that some call him a coward and others have various agendas or words for a man that took such action. I'm on the fence but leaning in his favor, not because what I think he was right BUT that he actually fucking did it. I am the the fuckimg coward because I'd never have the fucking guts to commit sucks an act.

those are my words and I'm sticking to it! :pipe:
I am really struggling understanding your words here, I'd like to discuss this with you if I may. To me is sounds like what you are saying is that if you have uncontrollable anger over <insert cause here> that it is okay to release that anger with violence on innocent people.

When I hear this I think of Columbine, suicide bombers (9/11), Timothy McVeigh, and 4 police officers here in the PNW having morning coffee who were gunned down by an angry criminal. Isn't some of the psychology of of these murders is that they become hero's because of their actions. Are you saying that it wasn't right that these people committed heinous crimes, but that they are somehow to be respected because they "actually did it?" Isn't that idolizing them? Is that really what he deserves?

Hudson 02-21-2010 08:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sachita (Post 54794)
period is operative in a manner of opinion and obviously , , each person has one, even you. Aside from the prevalent bullshit herein, the facts all remain, the debate, as always diversified and the only thing we all agree on is that it was not cool, what he did, BUT he did it. The differences are that some call him a coward and others have various agendas or words for a man that took such action. I'm on the fence but leaning in his favor, not because what I think he was right BUT that he actually fucking did it. I am the the fuckimg coward because I'd never have the fucking guts to commit sucks an act.

those are my words and I'm sticking to it! :pipe:

This might be the most illogical, misguided and scariest thing I've ever read (from an adult).

Back to the story: Why didn't he fly that plane over the IRS building and into Mama Mexico, obtain a second passport from his new country before his U.S. one expired (to avoid having to provide his social security number when renewing his passport, thus avoiding cross-checks with tax returns), grab a bottle of tequila and call it a day?

Ashlea? 02-21-2010 09:39 PM
What is the logic here really?
For all of you "quick-draw" insulter's, let me first point out my stance on this subject, AGAIN, as to avoid the onslaught of poo about to be flung my way.

I think the way this went about is being gravely misunderstood, as well as the motives and or reasoning behind this event.

*Prepares*

2 deaths (including pilot), 1 injury. Where is your uproar about murders happening all.......the.......time. Where is your defensive stance and pseudo-intellect thrashing when others are innocently killed? Nothing? No?

I don't hear you prancing around about the wife and 2 kids murdered with an axe by the husband. Is that not worthy of your rage? Where is it?

Where is your rage while people are being murdered by our own government, admittedly! Gitmo? Where! Where is your rage!

This man killed someone, that death is significant no matter the circumstance. But with the slew of evidence surrounding this case, is it not reasonable to think this intelligent man was not out on a killing spree, but rather made a series of bad decisions. No where is there evidence of him WANTING to kill people, no mention of it at all. Targeting the institution, yes, people, where? Are you really going to try and speculate on a dead man's final decisions? What gives you that right? Speculate all you want..."Why didn't he go to the other building, why not at another time, why why why"...it will never be answered.

Change has become the big bad boogie man of this country. No one wants to accept the events taking place by this government against its own citizens, this would mean change.

But no no, don't do anything about it. Sit back with your chair and your screen, and your Mcdonalds and your car and your job. It can't touch you! No no. Change is not in your vocabulary. You'll sit there while your job is being outsourced, your family..starving, as long as the government gives you the scraps from their spoils, your happy. Mhm.

When......WHEN is America going to wake up. WHAT WILL IT TAKE! I'm ashamed to be a citizen of this country. I'll say it. But when the shit hits the fan, and you finally all say "oh.................", i'm going to laugh. I'm going to laugh at you like I have never laughed before in my life. Call it cynical, thats ok. I think it will be to hard to control the laughter swelling up inside of me when you all realized that you over looked the worst travesties happening to you. And you just sit there. Just sit there and take it like the good puppet you are.


Let the "your wrong" and the "I still pay my taxes and have my job,car,money" bs kick in. I'm ready for it. Bring it on fools.

(Disclaimer : By "you", I mean every.....last.....one of you.)

*EDIT*
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/...ovt/index.html
^ Wanna hop on the band wagon on this one? Or............

~Bo 02-21-2010 09:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashlea? (Post 54869)
What is the logic here really?
For all of you "quick-draw" insulter's, let me first point out my stance on this subject, AGAIN, as to avoid the onslaught of poo about to be flung my way.

I think the way this went about is being gravely misunderstood, as well as the motives and or reasoning behind this event.

*Prepares*

2 deaths (including pilot), 1 injury. Where is your uproar about murders happening all.......the.......time. Where is your defensive stance and pseudo-intellect thrashing when others are innocently killed? Nothing? No?

I don't hear you prancing around about the wife and 2 kids murdered with an axe by the husband. Is that not worthy of your rage? Where is it?

Where is your rage while people are being murdered by our own government, admittedly! Gitmo? Where! Where is your rage!

This man killed someone, that death is significant no matter the circumstance. But with the slew of evidence surrounding this case, is it not reasonable to think this intelligent man was not out on a killing spree, but rather made a series of bad decisions. No where is there evidence of him WANTING to kill people, no mention of it at all. Targeting the institution, yes, people, where? Are you really going to try and speculate on a dead man's final decisions? What gives you that right? Speculate all you want..."Why didn't he go to the other building, why not at another time, why why why"...it will never be answered.

Change has become the big bad boogie man of this country. No one wants to accept the events taking place by this government against its own citizens, this would mean change.

But no no, don't do anything about it. Sit back with your chair and your screen, and your Mcdonalds and your car and your job. It can't touch you! No no. Change is not in your vocabulary. You'll sit there while your job is being outsourced, your family..starving, as long as the government gives you the scraps from their spoils, your happy. Mhm.

When......WHEN is America going to wake up. WHAT WILL IT TAKE! I'm ashamed to be a citizen of this country. I'll say it. But when the shit hits the fan, and you finally all say "oh.................", i'm going to laugh. I'm going to laugh at you like I have never laughed before in my life. Call it cynical, thats ok. I think it will be to hard to control the laughter swelling up inside of me when you all realized that you over looked the worst travesties happening to you. And you just sit there. Just sit there and take it like the good puppet you are.


Let the "your wrong" and the "I still pay my taxes and have my job,car,money" bs kick in. I'm ready for it. Bring it on fools.

(Disclaimer : By "you", I mean every.....last.....one of you.)



First I must say that I did NOT mean to "thank" this post. I only hit the wrong key and there's no way to delete my "thanks". :seconddoh:


I hear what you are saying about all those other issues.....wife and kids murdered.....etc...etc.....

BUT......this thread is not about those issues, is it? It's about the ass who flew his plane into the building in Austin, TX.
If you start a thread about the wars, Gitmo, etc......maybe we would say the same things there.

And I'm sure there already are threads around here about the wars. This just isn't it. So in this thread I'm only going to rant about this one particular fucktard.

SuperFemme 02-21-2010 09:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashlea? (Post 54869)
What is the logic here really?
For all of you "quick-draw" insulter's, let me first point out my stance on this subject, AGAIN, as to avoid the onslaught of poo about to be flung my way.

I think the way this went about is being gravely misunderstood, as well as the motives and or reasoning behind this event.

*Prepares*

2 deaths (including pilot), 1 injury. Where is your uproar about murders happening all.......the.......time. Where is your defensive stance and pseudo-intellect thrashing when others are innocently killed? Nothing? No?

I don't hear you prancing around about the wife and 2 kids murdered with an axe by the husband. Is that not worthy of your rage? Where is it?

Where is your rage while people are being murdered by our own government, admittedly! Gitmo? Where! Where is your rage!

This man killed someone, that death is significant no matter the circumstance. But with the slew of evidence surrounding this case, is it not reasonable to think this intelligent man was not out on a killing spree, but rather made a series of bad decisions. No where is there evidence of him WANTING to kill people, no mention of it at all. Targeting the institution, yes, people, where? Are you really going to try and speculate on a dead man's final decisions? What gives you that right? Speculate all you want..."Why didn't he go to the other building, why not at another time, why why why"...it will never be answered.

Change has become the big bad boogie man of this country. No one wants to accept the events taking place by this government against its own citizens, this would mean change.

But no no, don't do anything about it. Sit back with your chair and your screen, and your Mcdonalds and your car and your job. It can't touch you! No no. Change is not in your vocabulary. You'll sit there while your job is being outsourced, your family..starving, as long as the government gives you the scraps from their spoils, your happy. Mhm.

When......WHEN is America going to wake up. WHAT WILL IT TAKE! I'm ashamed to be a citizen of this country. I'll say it. But when the shit hits the fan, and you finally all say "oh.................", i'm going to laugh. I'm going to laugh at you like I have never laughed before in my life. Call it cynical, thats ok. I think it will be to hard to control the laughter swelling up inside of me when you all realized that you over looked the worst travesties happening to you. And you just sit there. Just sit there and take it like the good puppet you are.


Let the "your wrong" and the "I still pay my taxes and have my job,car,money" bs kick in. I'm ready for it. Bring it on fools.

(Disclaimer : By "you", I mean every.....last.....one of you.)
Dear Judgey McJudgerson,

How dare you? This site is full of caring, loving and compassionate people.
Coming into a thread that is about a particular incident and finger pointing at everyone telling them they don't care about violence against women? Preposterous. Simply preposterous.

Logical line of thinking: If you fly a plane into a building where human beings work during work hours implies the intention of hurting not just the institution, but the people working in it.

Saying you will laugh at each and every one of us? A bit narcissistic.

You have no idea of the hearts of the humans here. Right here on this site.

Please kindly put your finger back in you McNugget box and quit pointing it.

Thank you,

Appalled

~Bo 02-21-2010 09:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperFemme (Post 54879)
Dear Judgey McJudgerson,

How dare you? This site is full of caring, loving and compassionate people.
Coming into a thread that is about a particular incident and finger pointing at everyone telling them they don't care about violence against women? Preposterous. Simply preposterous.

Logical line of thinking: If you fly a plane into a building where human beings work during work hours implies the intention of hurting not just the institution, but the people working in it.

Saying you will laugh at each and every one of us? A bit narcissistic.

You have no idea of the hearts of the humans here. Right here on this site.

Please kindly put your finger back in you McNugget box and quit pointing it.

Thank you,

Appalled




Have I mentioned lately that I love you??? :awww:

Ashlea? 02-21-2010 10:02 PM
Let me itemize your idiocy here for a quick second.

1: There is a link under where it says "Thanks" next to my last post. It should say "Remove thanks" right underneath it. If not, it could be because you already posted and the forum will not let you remove it, but i'm pretty sure it should still be there.

2:Etc etc? Way to sympathize.

3: Maybe we should. Or remove the blinders. Your so stuck on the fact that this guy went into a building, rather than see the supposed motive behind this act? Why is it so hard for you to look at the reasoning behind this. How can you be so obtuse.

If you come back with some "innocent people" remark, I'm going to slap you with the same thing I just posted.

~Bo 02-21-2010 10:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashlea? (Post 54869)
What is the logic here really?
For all of you "quick-draw" insulter's, let me first point out my stance on this subject, AGAIN, as to avoid the onslaught of poo about to be flung my way.

I think the way this went about is being gravely misunderstood, as well as the motives and or reasoning behind this event.

*Prepares*

2 deaths (including pilot), 1 injury. Where is your uproar about murders happening all.......the.......time. Where is your defensive stance and pseudo-intellect thrashing when others are innocently killed? Nothing? No?

I don't hear you prancing around about the wife and 2 kids murdered with an axe by the husband. Is that not worthy of your rage? Where is it?

Where is your rage while people are being murdered by our own government, admittedly! Gitmo? Where! Where is your rage!

This man killed someone, that death is significant no matter the circumstance. But with the slew of evidence surrounding this case, is it not reasonable to think this intelligent man was not out on a killing spree, but rather made a series of bad decisions. No where is there evidence of him WANTING to kill people, no mention of it at all. Targeting the institution, yes, people, where? Are you really going to try and speculate on a dead man's final decisions? What gives you that right? Speculate all you want..."Why didn't he go to the other building, why not at another time, why why why"...it will never be answered.

Change has become the big bad boogie man of this country. No one wants to accept the events taking place by this government against its own citizens, this would mean change.

But no no, don't do anything about it. Sit back with your chair and your screen, and your Mcdonalds and your car and your job. It can't touch you! No no. Change is not in your vocabulary. You'll sit there while your job is being outsourced, your family..starving, as long as the government gives you the scraps from their spoils, your happy. Mhm.

When......WHEN is America going to wake up. WHAT WILL IT TAKE! I'm ashamed to be a citizen of this country. I'll say it. But when the shit hits the fan, and you finally all say "oh.................", i'm going to laugh. I'm going to laugh at you like I have never laughed before in my life. Call it cynical, thats ok. I think it will be to hard to control the laughter swelling up inside of me when you all realized that you over looked the worst travesties happening to you. And you just sit there. Just sit there and take it like the good puppet you are.


Let the "your wrong" and the "I still pay my taxes and have my job,car,money" bs kick in. I'm ready for it. Bring it on fools.

(Disclaimer : By "you", I mean every.....last.....one of you.)

*EDIT*
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/...ovt/index.html
^ Wanna hop on the band wagon on this one? Or............



And btw......be REAL careful who you call "fools". :explode:

blush 02-21-2010 10:02 PM
Well, since the title of the thread is "Small Plane Crashes in Austin" and not "How Outraged Are You By Everything In The World," I stuck to the topic.

The fact that these atrocities happen and continue to happen daily by our government is well-known. I'm simply addressing this man's actions. Because I'm calling out his bullshit doesn't mean I condone(or am unaware of) atrocities our government commits. Who posts like that anyway?

It certainly doesn't give him a pass on what he did. And flying a plane into a building is intent/evidence to kill a lot of people.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashlea? (Post 54869)
What is the logic here really?
For all of you "quick-draw" insulter's, let me first point out my stance on this subject, AGAIN, as to avoid the onslaught of poo about to be flung my way.

I think the way this went about is being gravely misunderstood, as well as the motives and or reasoning behind this event.

*Prepares*

2 deaths (including pilot), 1 injury. Where is your uproar about murders happening all.......the.......time. Where is your defensive stance and pseudo-intellect thrashing when others are innocently killed? Nothing? No?

I don't hear you prancing around about the wife and 2 kids murdered with an axe by the husband. Is that not worthy of your rage? Where is it?

Where is your rage while people are being murdered by our own government, admittedly! Gitmo? Where! Where is your rage!

This man killed someone, that death is significant no matter the circumstance. But with the slew of evidence surrounding this case, is it not reasonable to think this intelligent man was not out on a killing spree, but rather made a series of bad decisions. No where is there evidence of him WANTING to kill people, no mention of it at all. Targeting the institution, yes, people, where? Are you really going to try and speculate on a dead man's final decisions? What gives you that right? Speculate all you want..."Why didn't he go to the other building, why not at another time, why why why"...it will never be answered.

Change has become the big bad boogie man of this country. No one wants to accept the events taking place by this government against its own citizens, this would mean change.

But no no, don't do anything about it. Sit back with your chair and your screen, and your Mcdonalds and your car and your job. It can't touch you! No no. Change is not in your vocabulary. You'll sit there while your job is being outsourced, your family..starving, as long as the government gives you the scraps from their spoils, your happy. Mhm.

When......WHEN is America going to wake up. WHAT WILL IT TAKE! I'm ashamed to be a citizen of this country. I'll say it. But when the shit hits the fan, and you finally all say "oh.................", i'm going to laugh. I'm going to laugh at you like I have never laughed before in my life. Call it cynical, thats ok. I think it will be to hard to control the laughter swelling up inside of me when you all realized that you over looked the worst travesties happening to you. And you just sit there. Just sit there and take it like the good puppet you are.


Let the "your wrong" and the "I still pay my taxes and have my job,car,money" bs kick in. I'm ready for it. Bring it on fools.

(Disclaimer : By "you", I mean every.....last.....one of you.)

Admin 02-21-2010 10:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashlea? (Post 54869)
What is the logic here really?
For all of you "quick-draw" insulter's, let me first point out my stance on this subject, AGAIN, as to avoid the onslaught of poo about to be flung my way.

I think the way this went about is being gravely misunderstood, as well as the motives and or reasoning behind this event.

*Prepares*

2 deaths (including pilot), 1 injury. Where is your uproar about murders happening all.......the.......time. Where is your defensive stance and pseudo-intellect thrashing when others are innocently killed? Nothing? No?

I don't hear you prancing around about the wife and 2 kids murdered with an axe by the husband. Is that not worthy of your rage? Where is it?

Where is your rage while people are being murdered by our own government, admittedly! Gitmo? Where! Where is your rage!

This man killed someone, that death is significant no matter the circumstance. But with the slew of evidence surrounding this case, is it not reasonable to think this intelligent man was not out on a killing spree, but rather made a series of bad decisions. No where is there evidence of him WANTING to kill people, no mention of it at all. Targeting the institution, yes, people, where? Are you really going to try and speculate on a dead man's final decisions? What gives you that right? Speculate all you want..."Why didn't he go to the other building, why not at another time, why why why"...it will never be answered.

Change has become the big bad boogie man of this country. No one wants to accept the events taking place by this government against its own citizens, this would mean change.

But no no, don't do anything about it. Sit back with your chair and your screen, and your Mcdonalds and your car and your job. It can't touch you! No no. Change is not in your vocabulary. You'll sit there while your job is being outsourced, your family..starving, as long as the government gives you the scraps from their spoils, your happy. Mhm.

When......WHEN is America going to wake up. WHAT WILL IT TAKE! I'm ashamed to be a citizen of this country. I'll say it. But when the shit hits the fan, and you finally all say "oh.................", i'm going to laugh. I'm going to laugh at you like I have never laughed before in my life. Call it cynical, thats ok. I think it will be to hard to control the laughter swelling up inside of me when you all realized that you over looked the worst travesties happening to you. And you just sit there. Just sit there and take it like the good puppet you are.


Let the "your wrong" and the "I still pay my taxes and have my job,car,money" bs kick in. I'm ready for it. Bring it on fools.

(Disclaimer : By "you", I mean every.....last.....one of you.)

*EDIT*
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/...ovt/index.html
^ Wanna hop on the band wagon on this one? Or............

Ashlea?,

Your post has been reported for rude name-calling. Resorting to "Bring it on fools" is ugly, judgmental, and uncalled for. You need to communicate your anger without name-calling or kindly step back from the thread.

Thanks,
Admin

Corkey 02-21-2010 10:05 PM
No where is their evidence of him WANTING to kill people, no mention of it at all. Targeting the institution, yes, people, where?

M.. Pardon me, but the last time I knew, this engineer fueled a plane with fuel, and with expressed intent to fly said plane into a building. Last I knew fuel is flammable and highly volatile. Now you want to say there is no evidence of him Wanting to kill people, what the hell else am I to think when a psychotic gets into a plane and flies into a building full of people?For pete sake take a breath and use your grey matter.

~Bo 02-21-2010 10:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashlea? (Post 54884)
Let me itemize your idiocy here for a quick second.

1: There is a link under where it says "Thanks" next to my last post. It should say "Remove thanks" right underneath it. If not, it could be because you already posted and the forum will not let you remove it, but i'm pretty sure it should still be there.

2:Etc etc? Way to sympathize.

3: Maybe we should. Or remove the blinders. Your so stuck on the fact that this guy went into a building, rather than see the supposed motive behind this act? Why is it so hard for you to look at the reasoning behind this. How can you be so obtuse.

If you come back with some "innocent people" remark, I'm going to slap you with the same thing I just posted.



Hey...are you calling me an idiot?? Your remarks are uncalled for and rude! And reported.

Ashlea? 02-21-2010 10:08 PM
[quote]
Dear Judgey McJudgerson,

How dare you? This site is full of caring, loving and compassionate people.
Coming into a thread that is about a particular incident and finger pointing at everyone telling them they don't care about violence against women?[quote]

Just because I happened to dredge up a woman being killed, does not mean the incident was geared towards violence against women, but violence against humanity, mmkay thanks.

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Logical line of thinking: If you fly a plane into a building where human beings work during work hours implies the intention of hurting not just the institution, but the people working in it.
Logical line of whateverwhatever : People don't just up and fly into buildings. Something sets them off. What might that be? Hm... I'm sure the fact that he is an incredibly intelligent person will not register with you.He's a psychopath right? Right.

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Saying you will laugh at each and every one of us? A bit narcissistic.
Bit funny.


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Please kindly put your finger back in you McNugget box and quit pointing it.
*Puts down buyersguide* mhmhm you can have them instead. Not my cup of tea..

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Thank you,
Your welcome.

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Appalled
Me too.

Ashlea? 02-21-2010 10:11 PM
As I pointed out, I'm laughing...Laughing hysterically. Report away. And ban if you feel necessary, won't ruin my night. I hardly think I have used language that is overly offensive. Since when is "fool" the worst of an insult arsenal.

But its whatev. Do what you must.

Hudson 02-21-2010 10:12 PM
[quote=Ashlea?;54895]
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Just because I happened to dredge up a woman being killed, does not mean the incident was geared towards violence against women, but violence against humanity, mmkay thanks.



Logical line of whateverwhatever : People don't just up and fly into buildings. Something sets them off. What might that be? Hm... I'm sure the fact that he is an incredibly intelligent person will not register with you.He's a psychopath right? Right.


Bit funny.



*Puts down buyersguide* mhmhm you can have them instead. Not my cup of tea..


Your welcome.


Me too.

It's "you're". The contraction for ''you are'' is "you're".

You're welcome.

Lady Jewel 02-21-2010 10:15 PM
Great job of going into someones lovely home and taking a big nasty dump right in the middle of their new living room. And then blaming them for your doing it.




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Originally Posted by Ashlea? (Post 54897)
As I pointed out, I'm laughing...Laughing hysterically. Report away. And ban if you feel necessary, won't ruin my night. I hardly think I have used language that is overly offensive. Since when is "fool" the worst of an insult arsenal.

But its whatev. Do what you must.

Kimbo 02-21-2010 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashlea? (Post 54897)
Well I was hoping to finally find an intellegent gay community. WOO was I wrong. Ban hamma, awayyyyyYyyyyy.
Wow...you are about as offensive as they come.

I think intelligence is with those who have the capacity to understand that any form of violence, whether it be directed at a child, a woman or a government, is unacceptable.

~Bo 02-21-2010 10:15 PM
[quote=Ashlea?;54895][quote]
Dear Judgey McJudgerson,

How dare you? This site is full of caring, loving and compassionate people.
Coming into a thread that is about a particular incident and finger pointing at everyone telling them they don't care about violence against women?
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Just because I happened to dredge up a woman being killed, does not mean the incident was geared towards violence against women, but violence against humanity, mmkay thanks.



Logical line of whateverwhatever : People don't just up and fly into buildings. Something sets them off. What might that be? Hm... I'm sure the fact that he is an incredibly intelligent person will not register with you.He's a psychopath right? Right.


Bit funny.



*Puts down buyersguide* mhmhm you can have them instead. Not my cup of tea..


Your welcome.


Me too.



We have ALL read why he did it. But that still doesn't make it right.
It sounds like you are trying to tell us that because he had his reasons, it makes it ok.

Admin 02-21-2010 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashlea? (Post 54897)
Well I was hoping to finally find an intellegent gay community. WOO was I wrong. Ban hamma, awayyyyyYyyyyy.
Ashlea?,

You have indeed found an intelligent gay community. One that expects communication without juvenile name-calling.

You are now on a 3-week time-out. (ending March 14)

I hope that you will take some time to consider communicating in a more effective manner. I will also remind you that there are many other folks in this community besides yourself and that we value clear, concise, thoughtful communication - not vomiting up negativity on a screen.

Thanks,
Admin

Goofy 02-21-2010 11:13 PM
The local news just did a piece on the aftermath of this event. It said that the powers that be are now looking into tighter restrictions at municipal type airports and for private planes.

yeah...way to stick it to the IRS huh?

Toughy 02-21-2010 11:44 PM
dammitt............I was not paying attention..........I missed a *popcorn* opportunity......
:toypony:

AtLast 02-21-2010 11:55 PM
I am so glad that I wasn’t reading and posting in this thread during the time some of the timed-out posting occurred. Since this happened, I have had a personal jolt come back that would have probably caused me to go off in a way that would get me permanently kicked outta here! I already was holding back with some of the posts.

I was very freaked-out when I heard about this. One reason was because we have quite a few members living in Austin and I do know some work in government offices. Secondly, the woman I was with for 21 years worked for the same agency in 1995 in which the head of the agency was killed by the Unabomber. As I was driving home from my office on the day that he had sent one of his packages to this office, I experienced fear and panic like I never have. The news on the radio was sketchy at best and I couldn’t reach her due to the chaos going on in that office. She was out in the field at the time of the incident and was OK, but I had no way of really knowing this.

I dated a woman from NY for a time and developed a close friendship with her that was in the Twin Towers on 9/11. And on that day I was once again awaiting news from relatives living in Pennsylvania near the site of the plane that was hijacked and went down. When I worked for a publicly funded AIDS foundation in the mid-1980’s, we were evacuated due to bomb threats more than a few times.

This stuff un-nerves me. I know it does for a lot of people. I also know that we in the US have no idea of what it is like to live with these kinds of threat every single day of our lives. Although, what about those that live in US cities in which drive-by shootings occur almost weekly? There are other examples.

So, even when I can understand some of the mistrust of government entities and even have some of my own reservations about government actions, the insensitivity of some of the posts truly amaze and appall me. Why people think that they can spew this stuff without regard for others that might have had similar experiences or live where these actions are part of their everyday life, boggles my sensibilities.

I bet that for every incident such as this, there are many people here that have had some kind of incident happen to them that evokes the very same feelings of panic, terror and pain. My experiences are not unique. Why posters would not consider this just plain makes me angry and I find this behavior to be the height of narcissistic thinking and personal entitlement.

~Bo 02-22-2010 04:51 AM
I agree completely. And as soon as I heard a plane flew into a building I instantly had a sick feeling in my stomach. Deja vu all over again? :(

wolfwalker 02-23-2010 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ~Bo (Post 53821)
Yeah....how bout my question of if you think what he did was ok because he was mad at the gov't?
He was attacking the govt. which screwed him over something fierce. he set the house on fire so the IRS would not get anything out of it. do you think the govt. gives a shit about his wife and child? they were taking the house period.

they do it often. pay your pound of flesh or lose everything you own and end up homeless. payment plan? after slapping on their punishment fees. they proceed to take everything you own. thats their payment plan.

i think what he did was what he saw as the only thing left to do after watching them take everything he had.

remember the boston tea party?

Rufusboi 02-23-2010 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by wolfwalker (Post 55708)
He was attacking the govt. which screwed him over something fierce. he set the house on fire so the IRS would not get anything out of it. do you think the govt. gives a shit about his wife and child? they were taking the house period.

they do it often. pay your pound of flesh or lose everything you own and end up homeless. payment plan? after slapping on their punishment fees. they proceed to take everything you own. thats their payment plan.

i think what he did was what he saw as the only thing left to do after watching them take everything he had.

remember the boston tea party?


From what I've been reading though it doesn't sound like it was a one time thing with this guy. He has had IRS problems for 20 years. Some of it had to be of his own doing. He is not blameless. I don't see him as a victim of the IRS. He sees himself as this helpless victim and that's where I have a problem with him. Then he turns around and victimizes innocent people. But this whole victim mentality really irks me. It isn't any secret what the IRS does if you screw around with taxes. Its not that hard to keep records. Its not that hard to hire someone to do your taxes for you. Its not that hard to pay your taxes (well it is painful writing that check every quarter). But you get my meaning. I'm not supporting the IRS or making any comments about tax laws, taxing, tax rates, fairness and so on etc. And I know people get fed up paying taxes and seeing how the money is wasted by the government. I'm talking about this guy and his lack of personal responsibility.

Rufus

Linus 02-23-2010 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by wolfwalker (Post 55708)
He was attacking the govt. which screwed him over something fierce. he set the house on fire so the IRS would not get anything out of it.
If he set his house on fire as a statement to the gov't, why did he do it with his wife and kid inside (who, from what I remember reading, barely managed to get out)?

And, I could be mistaken but his estate is still responsible for the taxes. This means his wife will likely be left with the bill at the end of all this.

I don't think he took the best way out. He took the way that was the most selfish and self-serving. If he wanted to be courageous, why not stand up and find legal issue with them or pay the taxes, sell everything and live off the grid where they can't go after him for his taxes.

I got dinged last year by Canada (who's tax service is no less friendly than the US's) and paid what I owed, well aware of the interest I'd have to incur for any late fees. I've been audited (scary but I made it through). Part of being a member of society and a community is paying into the communal pot every year for the services that are provided, many that aren't so obvious. We whine about taxes but we would and do whine when services get cut. Those things cost money and in a country the size of the US, it ain't a cheap process.

Do gov't make mistakes? Yes.

Can I address those with a gov't official? Yes.

Is it worth killing myself or others over? No.

The US, to me, feels like it's at an all-time high in the midst of a "I want, I want, I want" society. And if we don't get what we want, we whine, cry, rant and generally behave like spoiled toddlers. I don't see this getting easier nor do I see events like this, unfortunately, being the only incident. I think we'll see others for a while yet as the overall market still settles.

wolfwalker 02-23-2010 09:01 AM
we have come to a pass here.

his wife put out a statement. she is quite fine and did not barely escape. His oldest child, put out a statement calling her dad a hero. good enough for me.

you are going to think as you wish. so am i. but if ever you have a run in with a govt. agency and would like to review this let me know.

meanwhile i have life issues to deal with.

be well

Linus 02-23-2010 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by wolfwalker (Post 55743)
we have come to a pass here.

his wife put out a statement. she is quite fine and did not barely escape. His oldest child, put out a statement calling her dad a hero. good enough for me.

you are going to think as you wish. so am i. but if ever you have a run in with a govt. agency and would like to review this let me know.

meanwhile i have life issues to deal with.

be well
I suspect you won't return but for those curious:

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Suicide Pilot's Daughter 'Sorry' for Her Father

Joe Stack's Daughter Samantha Bell Agrees With Victim's Son: Vernon Hunter Was the Hero

By LEE FERRAN

Feb. 23, 2010 —

The daughter of the man who killed a government worker in a suicide plane attack last week said today she felt sorry for her father.
"His actions at the end were extremely horrific and I'm deeply sorry for my father," Samantha Bell said of Joe Stack, who perished in the crash into IRS offices in Austin, Texas.



Bell also recanted her earlier characterization of her father as a hero.
"His last actions, the suicide, the catastrophe that caused injuries and death, that was wrong," Bell told "Good Morning America" in a telephone interview that aired Monday. "But if nobody comes out and speaks up on behalf of injustice, then nothing will ever be accomplished. But I do not agree with his last action with what he did. But I do agree about the government."



When asked if she considered her father a "hero," Bell, 38, said, "Yes, because now maybe people will listen."



Bell later called "Good Morning America" to retract her statement and say unequivocally that her father was "not a hero" in an interview that aired today.



She said the only hero involved in the attack was its victim, Vietnam veteran Vernon Hunter.



"I don't want to hurt anybody," Bell said. "We are mourning for Vernon Hunter."



Before crashing a small airplane into Internal Revenue Services offices in Austin, Texas, last week, Stack posted a lengthy, rambling suicide note online that railed against the government, the IRS and taxes specifically as part of a "totalitarian regime."



Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner toured the destruction of the Austin IRS building Monday.

"We just spent an hour with the men and women who work in that building, listening to them talk about their colleague who died, what an inspirational leader he was, we listened to the stories they told about evacuating this building in three minutes, all the lives they saved by working together," Geithner told reporters Monday.

Victim's Son: Stack is No Hero

Ken Hunter, son of Vernon Hunter, who was killed in the attack, refuted Bell's earlier statement on Monday, saying Stack's not the hero in this situation, but his father is.

"How can you call someone a hero who after he burns down his house, gets into his plane ... and drives it into the building to kill people?" Hunter told "Good Morning America." "My dad Vernon did two tours of duty in Vietnam. My dad's a hero."

Bell said Monday there were "zero signs" that her father harbored such strong anti-government sentiments.

"He may have been somewhat frustrated, but he was a very quiet man," she said. "The father I knew was a loving, caring, devoted man who cherished every moment with me and my three children, his grandchildren. ... This man who did this was not my father.
"He must've kept this bottled up all these years."

Vernon Hunter was also a grandfather and to Vernon's son, Stack's actions will not change anything.

"The only difference he made was he took away from my family and murdered a 20-year U.S. Army vet," Ken Hunter said.

To Hunter's family, Bell offered her "deepest condolences."

"I lost my father, but I feel guilty to be mourning my father because I know other people have been affected and a wonderful man has died because of my father's actions. And I need to pay my respects and mourn for the man and his family," she said.

Joe Stack's Daughter: Torched Home Was 'Part of Government'

Before attacking the IRS offices, Stack burned down his wife's home. While many debated Stack's motives for the arson, Bell said it was likely all part of his anti-government rampage.

"As we pay taxes, we pay taxes on our home as well, and my belief is that the house was part of the government," she said. "He wanted to get rid of what was left."

Bell, who lives in Norway and criticized the American system as "very faulty," said that she hopes "everything" will change in light of her father's attack.

"But Rome was not built in one day. But one small step at a time. One step at a time," she said.

Since, she repeatedly said that her father should have chosen a non-violent means of protest.

"If he had actually just stood up to the government, [using] freedom of speech and did all he could besides doing what he did -- flying his airplane into a building and burning his house -- I think that would've been more effective," she said. "He stood up to the system. But at the same time, he loved his family. We are at a great loss."

Copyright © 2010 ABC News Internet Ventures
Bolding in the article mine.

Dude 02-23-2010 10:41 AM
I picked this article because it seems to be the only one calling this
deranged egomaniac a murderer.

The real victim in this thing called reality is Vernon Hunter.

I am unsure if the amount he owed here is correct ( I'm sure more will be revealed)
$4000 - $6000 owed to the IRS is what the victims son is saying here.
small change to most plane owners ( I imagine)

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/02...xas-irs-crash/

~Bo 02-23-2010 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfwalker (Post 55708)
He was attacking the govt. which screwed him over something fierce. he set the house on fire so the IRS would not get anything out of it. do you think the govt. gives a shit about his wife and child? they were taking the house period.

they do it often. pay your pound of flesh or lose everything you own and end up homeless. payment plan? after slapping on their punishment fees. they proceed to take everything you own. thats their payment plan.

i think what he did was what he saw as the only thing left to do after watching them take everything he had.

remember the boston tea party?



He attacked the gov't by aiming his plane at a building full of people????????? How is that attacking the govt. Really bad aim?
He attacked innocent people. Period.

This guy graduated from high school near where I live. People around here who knew him say he was extremely intelligent.
So don't be telling me that he didn't know EXACTLY what he was doing and who he would be killing.

Rufusboi 02-23-2010 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Linus (Post 55724)
I

The US, to me, feels like it's at an all-time high in the midst of a "I want, I want, I want" society. And if we don't get what we want, we whine, cry, rant and generally behave like spoiled toddlers. I don't see this getting easier nor do I see events like this, unfortunately, being the only incident. I think we'll see others for a while yet as the overall market still settles.
The "I deserve" mentality.


Rufus

Diavolo 02-23-2010 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Linus (Post 55724)
The US, to me, feels like it's at an all-time high in the midst of a "I want, I want, I want" society. And if we don't get what we want, we whine, cry, rant and generally behave like spoiled toddlers. I don't see this getting easier nor do I see events like this, unfortunately, being the only incident. I think we'll see others for a while yet as the overall market still settles.
It is Linus. We learned to behave badly under the Reagan Administration and have not unlearned those bad behaviors. The 80's were the me-me-me generation and we haven't grown a bit since then. We're a country of spoiled petulant children. We don't care about a thing beyond ourselves. We're mean spirited, warring and selfish. It's embarrassing.

Toughy 02-23-2010 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Diavolo (Post 56106)
It is Linus. We learned to behave badly under the Reagan Administration and have not unlearned those bad behaviors. The 80's were the me-me-me generation and we haven't grown a bit since then. We're a country of spoiled petulant children. We don't care about a thing beyond ourselves. We're mean spirited, warring and selfish. It's embarrassing.
I would say (instead of 'we') that 'some of us' are spoiled petulant children. Otherwise I agree with what you say.


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