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Kobi 01-21-2017 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by C0LLETTE (Post 1124106)
Kobi,

Not to offend you or even infuriate you,but where does the fact that; "...In the last 10 years we have seen astronomical increases in domestic violence and women killed by their husbands and boyfriends. We have seen the highest rates of rape and sexual assault, the fewest cases being prosecuted..." come from?

I'd simply like to know more about that statement and its source, specifically.


Google it. Educate yourself. Learn the reality. Knowledge is a wonderful thing.

*Anya* 01-21-2017 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cin (Post 1124101)
White, otherwise unoppressed, women got the vote. Women of color waited decades.

Feminism without considering intersectionality only focuses on problems which occur for white, straight, upper/middle class, binary conforming women.

Problems unique to lower class women, lesbians, women of color, non binary persons, etc., aren't addressed or even considered without a commitment to intersectionality and the distinct issues inherent there.

In order to at least give a nod to the topic of this thread, it makes me smile to see how important I think intersectionality is to feminism.

Ratified on August 18, 1920, the 19th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution granted American women the right to vote—a right known as woman suffrage. At the time the U.S. was founded, its female citizens did not share all of the same rights as men, including the right to vote.

19th Amendment - Women's History - HISTORY.com

The struggle for the vote did not end with the ratification of the Nineteenth Amendment. In some Southern states, African American women were unable to freely exercise their right to vote up until the 1960s.

African-American woman suffrage movement - Wikipedia

The Voting Rights Act, signed into law by President Lyndon Johnson (1908-73) on August 6, 1965, aimed to overcome legal barriers at the state and local levels that prevented African Americans from exercising their right to vote under the 15th Amendment (1870) to the Constitution of the United States.

Voting Rights Act - Black History - HISTORY.com

C0LLETTE 01-21-2017 01:57 PM

Kobi,

Perhaps you believe that women need to hit rock bottom, that living under Trump will open our eyes, that this is the tonic that will start the cure and stop the political placebos dead in their tracks, and that "Whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"

Well here's a bit I just read about that Nietzchean bumper sticker:

"...Nietzsche used a similar line in Ecce Homo (written 1888, published 1908), the last book he wrote before going completely insane. In the chapter entitled “Why I Am So Wise,” he wrote that a person who has “turned out well” could be recognized by certain attributes, such as a knack for exploiting bad accidents to his advantage. Regarding such a man, Nietzsche said: “What does not kill him makes him stronger.” (“Was ihn nicht umbringt, macht ihn stärker.”)

Today, English translations and variations of Nietzsche’s maxim are often used for ironic effect. But they are also frequently used in a positive way, to express optimism and determination in the face of adversity.

Many people might be surprised to learn that Nietzsche’s original German line was used as a motto for Hitler’s Nazi youth camps."

Charlene Dargay Apr 12, 2016

Problem is, "rock bottom" is littered by the bodies of the slaughtered, the defeated, those who would never rise again.

JDeere 01-21-2017 01:59 PM

Another thing that made me smile was actually getting to do something my way, for a change.

C0LLETTE 01-21-2017 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 1124110)

Google it. Educate yourself. Learn the reality. Knowledge is a wonderful thing.

I did google it.... it isn't on ANY site I could find including the BJS. Perhaps you could give me a hint where you found it.

MsTinkerbelly 01-21-2017 02:16 PM

I smiled all through the women's rally today...tomorrow I may be in bed, but today I smiled. :)

C0LLETTE 01-21-2017 02:17 PM

I'm beginning to understand why you smiled at Trump's inauguration: like Trump you belong to the "insult and dismiss" school of discourse and when you are caught spouting bullshit, you become even more insulting and dismissive.

Well ok. So here's some "ad hominem" in return: Stick to watching baby eagles. They don't talk back.

Glenn 01-21-2017 02:18 PM

ALL- Native Americans weren't registered as citizens until 1924. And All Native Americans were not allowed to vote until 1982? In some western states they are STILL being denied the right to vote!-

cinnamongrrl 01-21-2017 02:26 PM

I'm smiling on the inside. I'm grateful to have a strong community to learn from. Lets remember the love.

:)

Cin 01-21-2017 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 1124109)

Wrong.

All women got the right to vote under the 19th amendment passed in 1920.

Black men got the right to vote under the 15th amendment passed in 1870.

Seriously folks, learn some history.

The example I used about women's suffrage was not to say women didn't get the right to vote in 1920. The point I was trying to make is that without a focus on the places where oppression intersects you have the 19th amendment, that gives women the right to vote butting up against state laws and a variety of practices that effectively disenfranchised black women in the South, (black men too) and it took the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960's to effect some change, as Anya pointed out. And as Glenn pointed out Native Americans were not citizens and denied the right to vote for another 4 years. My whole point centers on the problems inherent in a feminism that is focused on the general problems which occur for all women and ignores problems unique to lower class women, lesbians, women of color, non binary persons, etc. A feminism over focused on white, straight, upper/middle class, binary conforming women is a feminism that leaves too many women behind. In other words I do not agree with your statement that intersectional feminism dilutes and derails the very meaning and essence of feminism. I believe just the opposite.

BullDog 01-21-2017 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BullDog (Post 1123999)
Well Kobi that is one of the most bizarre posts I have ever read. Yeah let's advance feminism by voting in a man who brags of sexual assault, goes into a teen beauty pageant to ogle naked teenage girls, is working to take away the Violence of Women's Act, repeal Roe v. Wade and really I could go on for days and days and days with more. Unreal.



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Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 1124107)

SMH. Once again we seem to have a reading comprehension problem.

What you are reacting to is a deliberate distortion of what was said. And you are taking your own distortion as fact and running with it.

The media has taught you well.

Im sorry your candidate lost. She lost for a reason. The democratic party lost for a reason. You lost because you werent listening and still insist on not listening.

Feel free to spend the next 4 years spinning your wheels and immersed in anger and hatred.

Enough.


One of your pet phrases is we have a "reading comprehension problem." Everything I said in my post is true about Trump and has nothing to do with reading. There is tape of him bragging about sexual assault, it is a fact that he was in a room with teen beauty pageant contests when they were in a state of undress, he has taken steps towards getting rid of the Violence Against Women Act, he supports repealing Roe v. Wade. These are all facts.


At our rally today in Albuquerque today, one of the speakers spoke about feminism that is not intersectional and inclusive is nothing but white supremacy. I agree 100%.

Enough is right. Enough of your bullshit. I'm not wasting any more time on your attention-seeking, trollish, hateful self.

candy_coated_bitch 01-21-2017 05:48 PM

Holding hands with my butch while watching live footage of the march on Washington.

Kenna 01-21-2017 07:33 PM

Today did...for several reasons

Gemme 01-21-2017 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 1124073)

Sorry to see that reading comprehension doesnt seem to be your forte.

Everything you said has been addressed. Read it again.

Women are still slaves to a patriarchial system and will continue to be so until they wake up and smell the coffee. What we have gotten are carefully dispensed crumbs to quell the masses which, in the end, serve the patriarchy and keep women oppressed. Simple concept which is manifested in very complex ways every single freakin day.

Enough of the nonsense.



Wow.

I know we're not supposed to be shitty to other members of the site, but bravo to YOU.

Someone's bucking for a first place ribbon in asshattery.

I'm thinking...even with my poor comprehension skills and whatnot...that you just might get it.

:blink:

Gemme 01-21-2017 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by candy_coated_bitch (Post 1124140)
Holding hands with my butch while watching live footage of the march on Washington.

My coworker and I looked at many of the marches going on around the country and internationally and I was very proud. That definitely made me smile.

LeftWriteFemme 01-21-2017 11:03 PM

I finished writing my 8th century historic fiction!
I began writing it on 6/7/2012 9:14 AM and completed it 1/21/2017 8:02 PM
I am very excited!
52,216 words, my longest book so far
....I think this is book 38 or 39



.

nycfem 01-21-2017 11:27 PM

Kobi in your criticism of Obama as not being feminist you wrote:

"Obama threatened to withhold federal educational dollars from all school systems if they did not allow transgendered students to have bathroom choices until title ix. The transgendered population compromises what....2% of the population?"

Isn't demanding that ALL women and girls (whether cis or trans) have a safe space to use the restroom feminist? Since when is it okay to dismiss some women's safety because they are in the minority? Sisterhood to me means leaving no sister behind.

C0LLETTE 01-21-2017 11:46 PM

I may be mistaken, and I'll admit that up front, but the point for most Radical Feminists is that Transwomen are not women and never can be and therefore not "sisters" and their inclusion is part of the intersectional feminism that radical feminists abhor.

If I'm wrong, I'll just write this off as a bad guess.

nycfem 01-21-2017 11:55 PM

There are radical feminists and then there are TERFs, TRANS-EXCLUSIONARY radical feminists. I would hope that Kobi is not speaking from a point of view that excludes the support of equal rights for women who are transgender. We have femmes on this site who are of a trans background, and we welcome them and expect others to welcome them. Anti-trans rhetoric is not welcome on this site towards femmes, butches, or FTMs.

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Originally Posted by C0LLETTE (Post 1124196)
I may be mistaken, and I'll admit that up front, but the point for most Radical Feminists is that Transwomen are not women and never can be and therefore not "sisters" and their inclusion is part of the intersectional feminism that radical feminists abhor.

If I'm wrong, I'll just write this off as a bad guess.


theoddz 01-23-2017 03:19 PM

Kobi, I have often loved your posts, sometimes because the ideas you present make me look at a larger picture, or a different view than I may have otherwise considered. I wanted to say something here, though, that I am not, in any way, trying to antagonize or bait. I am honestly trying to understand your actions (specifically, voting for Trump), because this is really confusing me.


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Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 1124047)
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Hard to discuss feminism when women refuse to see, recognize or even know when misogyny is slapping them in their face.Even more detrimental when women support politicians, male or female, who have no qualms of victimizing them even more.

Actions speak louder than words.


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If you believe that it is truly "even more detrimental", as a woman and feminist, to support people who would only further victimize you more, then why, on G-d's little green acre, would you, as a woman and avowed feminist, support and vote for a known abuser/oppressor (Trump)?? Especially when you know he is going to make things far worse for you and your sisters. Your words don't jive with your actions. Is there some other reason, which you are not saying, as to why you voted for Trump??

Really, it would seem that your claim of being such a staunch and engaged feminist, is in direct and obvious conflict with the act of voting for and supporting someone with such an egregious history of disrespecting women and making vile comments, such as "grabbing them by the p*ssy", etc. Can you honestly see other staunch feminists voting for and/or supporting Donald Trump?? For what plausible reason could this ever happen?? In whose universe?? Are you really a feminist?? I want to understand. That's all I'm trying to get at, here.

I don't think I'm the only confused member here. :blink:

~Theo~ :bouquet:

Gráinne 01-23-2017 03:47 PM

And here I go stepping in cautiously, with a question. I know many women are protesting Trump; I get it. But what about Bill Clinton, who did unspeakable things in the Oval Office? The alternative to Trump and his Jupiter-size ego was the enabling wife of that philanderer. I can't see why any feminist would want him anywhere close to the White House again (and he would have been in there somehow).

BullDog 01-23-2017 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gráinne (Post 1124463)
And here I go stepping in cautiously, with a question. I know many women are protesting Trump; I get it. But what about Bill Clinton, who did unspeakable things in the Oval Office? The alternative to Trump and his Jupiter-size ego was the enabling wife of that philanderer. I can't see why any feminist would want him anywhere close to the White House again (and he would have been in there somehow).


I don't blame Melania Trump for Donald Trump's treatment of women and I don't blame Hillary Clinton for Bill Clinton's either. And I think referring to Hillary Clinton as an enabling wife is really sexist. She was candidate for President of the United States and one of the most qualified to ever run for that office. She's not just somebody's wife whose husband was going to be around if she was elected president of our country.

BullDog 01-23-2017 04:04 PM

I'm still smiling over the solidarity that we all showed at the events on Saturday.

Gemme 01-23-2017 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gráinne (Post 1124463)
And here I go stepping in cautiously, with a question. I know many women are protesting Trump; I get it. But what about Bill Clinton, who did unspeakable things in the Oval Office? The alternative to Trump and his Jupiter-size ego was the enabling wife of that philanderer. I can't see why any feminist would want him anywhere close to the White House again (and he would have been in there somehow).

The main difference is that Bill Clinton's philandering was consensual and that he did not condone violence against women and he certainly did not brag about it.

That doesn't make it right, but it is different.


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Originally Posted by BullDog (Post 1124464)
I don't blame Melania Trump for Donald Trump's treatment of women and I don't blame Hillary Clinton for Bill Clinton's either. And I think referring to Hillary Clinton as an enabling wife is really sexist. She was candidate for President of the United States and one of the most qualified to ever run for that office. She's not just somebody's wife whose husband was going to be around if she was elected president of our country.

I agree with your description of Hillary Clinton, and that makes me smile because I also believe that she was the most qualified person for the job, but I do feel that she knew about his dalliances. Of course, they are HIS dalliances and the fact that he did what he did should not reflect on her but her behavior afterwards does. I think a lot of folks remembered that. Unfortunately, very strong women have always had a steeper hill to climb than even a weak man.

Gemme 01-23-2017 07:05 PM

Being fully thread compliant, I smiled with my coworker today, listening to Abraham's one liners from The Walking Dead. I laughed too because his character was funny as Hell.

JDeere 01-23-2017 07:14 PM

Work, yes work made me smile.

gotoseagrl 01-23-2017 07:52 PM

Puppy eyes that fight sleep.

candy_coated_bitch 01-23-2017 08:07 PM

Veering off the road for a giant soft pretzel.

cinnamongrrl 01-23-2017 08:13 PM

A hug from my boss.

She needed me to bail her out of a job she was over her head on. She gave me a nice monetary tip for my troubles.

I was sincerely happy just for the hug <3

Gemme 01-24-2017 09:26 AM

It's a sad day but it's also a day off and I shall appreciate it accordingly. I've made plans and they make me happy and so I smiled.

candy_coated_bitch 01-24-2017 01:14 PM

My butch rescuing my car from the ice and snow even though I know she really didn't want to. My hero.

cinnamongrrl 01-24-2017 05:26 PM

A new and exciting hiking spot

And the office manager called while I was on the mountain top to offer me a change in my schedule which I'm happy for :)

easygoingfemme 01-24-2017 06:38 PM

I was able to get housing for a woman who really needed it and it felt good to see her relief settling in after some really hard times.

An email from a friend whose daughter donated her hair to a children's cancer/wig making foundation in my name. They got a certificate in the mail today confirming the receipt of her hair and they sent me a copy of it. It had my name and her daughters name on there together. She's only 8 years old. It was really sweet.

homoe 01-24-2017 08:04 PM

reading Chad's posts..............

~SweetCheeks~ 01-24-2017 08:04 PM

The 3 mile hike my Aunt and I took today. Setting up an interview for this weekend.

Chad 01-24-2017 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by homoe (Post 1124664)
reading Chad's posts..............

Haha! I am glad that my silliness makes you smile. That makes me smile too. Thanks buddy.

:cowboy:

A. Spectre 01-25-2017 08:12 AM

Women are knitting sweaters for elephants to keep them cozy. <3


Cozy winter garments, made with love, are a bit like hugs that you can wear. And these lucky elephants clearly couldn't be happier to feel that warm embrace from people who took the time to care.

http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp...ephants-14.jpg

A cold snap is underway across northern India, home to the Wildlife SOS Elephant Conservation and Care Center, and everyone is feeling the chill.

Fortunately, the sanctuary's pachyderm residents, each of whom was rescued from a sad life of exploitation and abuse, aren't having to face the freezing temperatures unprotected.

As it turns out, a group of big-hearted local villagers have been knitting giant sweaters to keep the elephants warm.

http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp...lephants-8.jpg

Creating custom-knit clothing for the largest land mammals on earth is no quick and easy task — but the volunteers did it with a smile. Wildlife SOS cofounder Kartick Satyanarayan told The Dodo that it took about four weeks for them to make each one.

Still, the knitters didn't skimp on adding colorful flair to the elephants' new duds.


http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp...lephants-6.jpg

FireSignFemme 01-25-2017 09:04 AM

"Women are knitting sweaters for elephants to keep them cozy. Cozy winter garments, made with love, are a bit like hugs that you can wear. And these lucky elephants clearly couldn't be happier to feel that warm embrace from people who took the time to care."

Sometimes posts and shares are so heartwarming it just makes you want to to thank the person who took the time to post and share them twice, so thanks :)

Orema 01-25-2017 09:25 AM

Governor Jerry Brown's State of the State Address
 
Governor Jerry Brown's State of the State Address put a smile on my face this morning.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/2...america-hurts/

:bow:

dark_crystal 01-25-2017 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Gemme (Post 1124494)
The main difference is that Bill Clinton's philandering was consensual and that he did not condone violence against women and he certainly did not brag about it.

That doesn't make it right, but it is different.
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Also Bill faced consequences.

It was too late in his career to hurt him (he had already been elected twice), and impeachment failed, but he was held accountable.

Trump was not held accountable and was ultimately rewarded for what he did.

Electing someone AFTER they brag about it is different than electing the spouse of someone who was caught and put on trial and then publicly apologized.

Sorry for the derail

Here's what made me smile today:

Badlands National Park Twitter account goes rogue, starts tweeting scientific facts


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