Here is the thing Rev...

It does not just happen in dating... Some folks throw their masculinity about like it's their job or someone assigned them to this.. Am I making sense? There are guys out there who will not be talked to by an assertive woman or a woman who holds power because they are to masculine to be talked to in that manner or my favorite they will cutesify you and give you a pet name so that they are comfy and can talk to you like a guy talks to a girl...

I don't think your woman is anything like Mrs Bunker cause well that woman put up with alot of shit from fucking Archie...

I don't think you are anywhere near an Archie and if you were, I see the Mrs wacking you with a shoe...

Do you guys have what seems like a traditional exchange when our, yes, but what I see is a guy, treating his woman right as they should, cause if I was a guy and my girl was giving me the allowance to dive into her sugary goodness, fuck yeah I would be all over the place making sure she was comfy and catered to..

That's just me though...

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i was told not to do that. To not report, but work it out here. That's what i was doing. Thanks for the mixed message.

Ah. I'm sorry.. I didn't mean to confuse things. While yes, we would like you to work it out but the reality is that sometimes something can't be worked out. That doesn't mean you shouldn't report things. If you feel you can't work it out (e.g., previous history, bad day, the sky went purple) then let us know.

That said, the reality is we won't address anything unless we know about it (this is a reality that we can't be everywhere at once). Reporting a post let's us know about an issue (which was all I was trying to point out). My apologies for the confusion.

Could that BE more transparent? You are trying to remove any political implications at ALL.

It feels DIFFERENT as a person with gender that includes feminine attributes to be silenced or told how she should BE Or behave in the world. It's not just personal. There is a political history that resonates in our BONES.

Telling me how to be a femme is not that different than the stuff i heard as a child -- how to act like a lady or how to be a good girl. The same implicit threats are usually involved too. No one will like you. You won't get attention. Blah blah.

i can't speak for Snow, but that's what her posts meant to me.

Ok, now I get what is going on. For some reason, I thought we were talking about dating/partnering relationships. I didn't realize we were speaking across the board throughout all types of relationships.

Yes, I see what you're saying now.


This All Makes Much More Sense Now,
Dylan

My father (a child of the Greatest Generation) was a sensitive man with strength. I saw my father cry many times on many occasions, but never considered this to be a feminine trait. My mother was equally strong and dished out the penalties. I would always wonder, as a child, why my friends would be more scared of punishment from their father. I thought it was strange because if you even considered looking at my mother wrong, she'd take your head off faster than a New York minute. My mother had, if I had to place a word on it, inner strength. She ran the household financially.

I considered my father to be a man's man of his generation in some ways and I guess anti-stereotypical in others as I grew and came to understand more of what I observed. I tried to emulate him more than my mother because I felt a gender kinship with him. Both of them define me. When I observe masculinity in men, I see many things. Some of which I have always had/felt and others that don't fit me at all.

I've always looked for both strength and sensitivity in a partner. The strength shown by my mother and the sensitivity by my father.

I think for me the issue I have when considering "traditional" anything is exactly what tradition am I looking at? I consider myself Retrosexual, in that I seek the best from past observations of "male" and choose to exemplify those rather than the influences I see that were negative in those eras.

I like using handkerchiefs. I like opening the door for my wife. I prefer being well dressed over slovenly when in a public setting ( dinner, etc). I would probably frequent a barber shop over a uni-sex salon if I were FTM/ Man. I like my shoes shined and take pride in that.

Many of the things that I view as being a "man's man" are from my grandfather or great grandfather's generation and not my dad's. From him, I learned that it was ok for a man to be sensitive and playful. ( That's about it though, as he was pretty irresponsible).

As a butch woman "metrosexual" doesn't really work for me, as it appears too effeminate ( for me). Tough guy doesn't really work ( unless I am in scene), Dumb Dad ( read: Tool Time) doesn't always work as I am a bit too enlightened for that. So, traditional is vague for me.

I do enjoy the Butch-femme dynamic over any other that i have seen employed, as it just seems to fit for me. Now... defining Butch and Femme takes on a whole nother debate! LOL!

Thanks for the thread miss always (f)

Fancy meeting you here!

Hey you! :threadjack:
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