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theoddz 01-23-2019 11:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly (Post 1238981)
Assume

I would assume it is very similar to the payment system for Medicare that Seniors are held hostage to without exception. By that I mean the $100 plus per month that comes out of my check that I never see. If I spend nothing else, I am eligible for a decent plan which is similar to an HMO...but my Kasey spends an ADDITIONAL $150 a month so that she can see anyone she wants, anywhere in the country.

I will again assume, that there would be reasonably priced healthcare for everyone else, with the federal government collecting all of our payments, and then paying the bills from the doctors and hospitals. In which case, in MY opinion, we are all screwed, because we have seen just how badly the government runs the VA.

Or, we could get lucky and they follow the current Canadian system.:tea:
Well, I have to rush in here and defend a little bit of the "concept" of the VA health care system that has demonstrated, over the years, some features of how a single payer system might work more efficiently and economically than some other models. I have to point out here that the VA, as a national healthcare system for Veterans, has consistently, over the years, been ranked at the top levels of Patient Satisfaction above any other healthcare system. Make no mistake, however, that it is not a perfect system, by any means, but overall, most Veterans have been very satisfied with the care they receive in the VA system.

The VA, as a system, has implemented some very efficient and cost conscious measures that have really been able to deliver good care, overall. One of the best ones is the nationwide VA CPRS (Computerized Patient Records System) system. By linking the VA healthcare system together, nationally, with this computerized records system, Veterans are able to access their health care through any VA facility, nationally, no matter where they go. Because their records are accessible, procedures (x-rays, tests, labs, etc.) don't need to be repeated by practitioners outside of the Veteran's "home" area, should they relocate or travel to other areas in the nation. You'd be surprised at how very expensive it is to repeat tests, procedures, consults to specialists, etc., it can be for large groups of system beneficiaries, when they don't have access to data that has already been gathered and documented. When providers can communicate with each other over securely transmitted/encrypted data lines, care is greatly improved and consistent!! When I worked for the VA Health Care System, I accessed remote data constantly in the performance of my job. I was able to bring up records, diagnostics, sleep studies and treatment plans for Veterans who originated from cities and towns clear across the nation from where I was in Las Vegas. This improved care and consistency and saved money for the system.

Another huge cost saving measure that the VA and military medical systems both use is the process of negotiation for large quantities of pharmaceuticals. I believe that Big Pharma could be reigned in by limiting what they can charge for medicines. What Big Pharma does to the American consumer/patient is nothing short of criminal!!

Like I said, the VA system is not perfect, but it has some elements in it that could, reasonably, be implemented into a national health care system that would really "pop"!!! I still maintain that, in order to truly deliver top notch patient care, in any system, we desperately need to get the profit incentive out of medicine and health care. It's unethical and just shameful that gross, obscene profits are and have been made on the backs of a sick humanity.

One last thing I'd like to put out here for contemplation is something that I heard a while ago, while discussing some of the economic issues of the healthcare system. It has to do with the inverse relationship of access vs. quality. In other words, when the system improves access to more population, quality goes down. In order for quality to improve, however, access must be restricted. Hmm....I've been rolling that concept around in my mind for several years now, and I've realized some truth to it. I'd like to put that thought out there for others to roll around in your minds, also.

Sorry to derail here, but I did have to step in and say that I believe that there are many elements of the VA system that could be implemented into a single payer system that could treat the American population, as a whole.

Back to your regularly scheduled program!! :bolt:

~Theo~ :bouquet:

MsTinkerbelly 01-23-2019 11:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theoddz (Post 1239025)
Well, I have to rush in here and defend a little bit of the "concept" of the VA health care system that has demonstrated, over the years, some features of how a single payer system might work more efficiently and economically than some other models. I have to point out here that the VA, as a national healthcare system for Veterans, has consistently, over the years, been ranked at the top levels of Patient Satisfaction above any other healthcare system. Make no mistake, however, that it is not a perfect system, by any means, but overall, most Veterans have been very satisfied with the care they receive in the VA system.

The VA, as a system, has implemented some very efficient and cost conscious measures that have really been able to deliver good care, overall. One of the best ones is the nationwide VA CPRS (Computerized Patient Records System) system. By linking the VA healthcare system together, nationally, with this computerized records system, Veterans are able to access their health care through any VA facility, nationally, no matter where they go. Because their records are accessible, procedures (x-rays, tests, labs, etc.) don't need to be repeated by practitioners outside of the Veteran's "home" area, should they relocate or travel to other areas in the nation. You'd be surprised at how very expensive it is to repeat tests, procedures, consults to specialists, etc., it can be for large groups of system beneficiaries, when they don't have access to data that has already been gathered and documented. When providers can communicate with each other over securely transmitted/encrypted data lines, care is greatly improved and consistent!! When I worked for the VA Health Care System, I accessed remote data constantly in the performance of my job. I was able to bring up records, diagnostics, sleep studies and treatment plans for Veterans who originated from cities and towns clear across the nation from where I was in Las Vegas. This improved care and consistency and saved money for the system.

Another huge cost saving measure that the VA and military medical systems both use is the process of negotiation for large quantities of pharmaceuticals. I believe that Big Pharma could be reigned in by limiting what they can charge for medicines. What Big Pharma does to the American consumer/patient is nothing short of criminal!!

Like I said, the VA system is not perfect, but it has some elements in it that could, reasonably, be implemented into a national health care system that would really "pop"!!! I still maintain that, in order to truly deliver top notch patient care, in any system, we desperately need to get the profit incentive out of medicine and health care. It's unethical and just shameful that gross, obscene profits are and have been made on the backs of a sick humanity.

One last thing I'd like to put out here for contemplation is something that I heard a while ago, while discussing some of the economic issues of the healthcare system. It has to do with the inverse relationship of access vs. quality. In other words, when the system improves access to more population, quality goes down. In order for quality to improve, however, access must be restricted. Hmm....I've been rolling that concept around in my mind for several years now, and I've realized some truth to it. I'd like to put that thought out there for others to roll around in your minds, also.

Sorry to derail here, but I did have to step in and say that I believe that there are many elements of the VA system that could be implemented into a single payer system that could treat the American population, as a whole.

Back to your regularly scheduled program!! :bolt:

~Theo~ :bouquet:
You bring up a lot of very valid points, thank you!

dark_crystal 01-26-2019 10:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theoddz (Post 1239025)
in order to truly deliver top notch patient care, in any system, we desperately need to get the profit incentive out of medicine and health care. It's unethical and just shameful that gross, obscene profits are and have been made on the backs of a sick humanity.

~Theo~ :bouquet:
I read a comment that says the fact that the US has for-profit justice, health care, education, and religion is truly screwed up and unlike any other developed country.

Socialism or no socialism, it should not take a genius to understand that the essentials of human life should be exempt from capitalism.

dark_crystal 01-26-2019 11:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dark_crystal (Post 1238469)
I am concerned about Russia. Whether or not people are currently feeling the anti-mainstream heat, Russia will make sure sentiments like these grow legs.

Chapo Traphouse stated multiple times that interest in the Russia investigation was a litmus test for who NOT to support among the Dem candidates.

It's like they are Russian Meddling deniers, despite extensive proof that the Russians used them last time.

This will make just make the left a better weapon.
Part of the reason the #NeverHillary situation last year was so terrifying to me was because it was as much IRL than online, in that i had 2 Sanders supporters close to me (both guys, one white/cishet) who hated Hillary Clinton so much that i thought they were about to stroke out over it. Ruining ever happy hour and dinner party and ranting 24/7 on facebook. And i couldn't mute them because i was going to see them.

Anyway, i feel like this lingering hatred is driving the tendency of outlets like Chapo Traphouse to mock and dismiss the Russia situation.

If Russia delivered the election to Trump, Clinton's loss was not because of how badly she sucked. It was not because the Democrats failed to nominate Bernie.

If Trump cheated, then Clinton didn't lose.

Clinton's loss validates the idea that the Democrats need to move further left. If she didn't lose, some of that validation shift back to the center.

We're not supposed to talk abut politics at work, but we have talked about the Russian meddling because it is relevant to our work.

I have colleagues who feel like what Russia did was no big deal.

If Russia changed votes by amplifying and promoting misinformation, they believe that's fair. Critical thinking is available to everyone, they say, and if people had used it, Russia's tricks wouldn't have worked.

I guess that's what Chapo Traphouse thinks, too.

But is critical thinking available to everyone? I don't feel that it is, and part of a librarian's job is to address that.

Martina 01-26-2019 08:01 PM
A lot of us on the left have a broader critique of mainstream Democrats than just our hatred of Clintons. Working people have been betrayed by corporatist Democrats, who contributed to our headlong rush into a society of extreme economic inequality. Without the challenge from the left, Democrats would still be singing their same old song.

There has not been any over correction. I was hearing that BS on NPR today. Today's left are espousing FDR brand policies. The world canted way to the right starting with Reagan. Sensible folk are pointing that out in order to create a more humane system.

I do care about defeating Trump, but I also care about the truth. The idea that the Democratic Party is too far to the left is a joke.

After Trump, these divisions will still be with us, and I am not going to pretend that the Dems have not massively betrayed this country for any single election, even 2020.

C0LLETTE 01-27-2019 08:56 AM
I love the debates in here and I read them avidly. I often read them over and over and over till I understand the point.

Would it be possible to have a rule that a writer not use any "double negatives", surely not use more than one, and just stick to simple declarative sentences.

I figure you'd save time and space and even a simpleton like me would understand what you are saying in half the time.

Just a thought.

dark_crystal 01-28-2019 05:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martina (Post 1239250)
A lot of us on the left have a broader critique of mainstream Democrats than just our hatred of Clintons. Working people have been betrayed by corporatist Democrats, who contributed to our headlong rush into a society of extreme economic inequality. Without the challenge from the left, Democrats would still be singing their same old song.

There has not been any over correction. I was hearing that BS on NPR today. Today's left are espousing FDR brand policies. The world canted way to the right starting with Reagan. Sensible folk are pointing that out in order to create a more humane system.

I do care about defeating Trump, but I also care about the truth. The idea that the Democratic Party is too far to the left is a joke.

After Trump, these divisions will still be with us, and I am not going to pretend that the Dems have not massively betrayed this country for any single election, even 2020.
I don't think the Democratic party is too far to the left, my post was narrowly focused on why certain media and librarian progressives dismiss the Russian meddling.

There are a lot of things on the table for 2020 that would not even be in the air if Clinton had won.

We would be looking at Obamacare-with-lipstick-on for health care, rather than having a primary field where you have to support some form of single-payer. We would not even be talking about 70% tax rates on the wealthy. We would not be talking about redistribution at all.

I think all critiques of the yuppie wing of the Democratic party are valid.

I think those critiques are weakened when people are so invested in them that they ignore crimes just because the existence of those crimes challenges the critique narrative. That is what i see happening on Chapo Traphouse.

It's like the "tankie" (Tankie = member of a communist group or a "fellow traveller" (sympathiser) who believes fully in the political system of the Soviet Union and defends/defended the actions of the Soviet Union) phenomenon: tankies are so committed to communism that they ignore or defend atrocities because the existence of Soviet history puts a question mark on communism's virtues.

Anyway i was listening to Chapo Traphouse again this morning and they were having a lot of fun with the arrest of Roger Stone, so maybe their position is more nuanced that it seemed when i first heard them discuss it.

Also i do not know if i can promise to write in short declarative sentences. Brevity has never been a strength of mine.

C0LLETTE 01-28-2019 10:03 AM
The word "short" was never mine. I asked for "simple" declarative and fewer double negatives which bog me down. lol.

There's the line that Einstein probably never really uttered: " If you can't explain it simply, you probably don't understand it ".

On the other hand, one Nobel winner probably did say" "If it was simple to explain, I wouldn't have won a Nobel prize for it ".

homoe 01-29-2019 11:21 AM
Howard Schultz, Please Don’t Run for President...........




Really, what qualifications do you have besides being a decent businessman???????

Martina 01-29-2019 05:49 PM
Seriously, wasn't that out of left field? I wish he'd run in the Republican primary.

CherylNYC 01-29-2019 09:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martina (Post 1239466)
Seriously, wasn't that out of left field? I wish he'd run in the Republican primary.
My thoughts, exactly. Besides that he's a criminal and a traitor, Trump has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that a political neophyte has no place occupying the most powerful office in the world. A person needs to have some ideas about how our political system does and doesn't work. There's no room to learn as you go.

dark_crystal 01-31-2019 08:10 AM
I thought this was an excellent article. I wish that last sentence could be shouted from every rooftop.

Bernie’s Likely 2020 Bid Could Transform the Political Landscape, by Norman Solomon, Truthout

The likely Bernie Sanders campaign for president offers a boost and a challenge to progressives. From the outset, the campaign’s strength would largely depend on how much synergy develops with social movements on the ground. Much more than the presidency is at stake. A powerful mix of grassroots activism and electoral work could transform the country’s political landscape.

<snip>

While conflicts between election-focused campaigns and issue-focused activism may be inevitable, there’s great potential to make such tensions creative rather than destructive. During this decade, the trajectories of progressive election campaigns and progressive organizing have become more intertwined.

<snip>

But relations between electoral campaigns and social movements are frequently difficult, and tensions are bound to develop. “Bringing the vibrancy and democracy of activist movement culture to a political campaign is necessary but complicated,” Tori Osborn, a longtime progressive organizer who eventually ran for political office, told me. “Activist protest culture is spontaneous, often angry and wildly uncontrollable. Campaigns have to be rigorously disciplined and controllable.”

<snip>

Routine media coverage about “a blue wave” has obscured the deeper opportunities for “a progressive wave” that could drastically extend the boundaries of public discussion and political power. The default position for mass media is to define electoral conflicts in partisan Democrat-vs.-Republican terms, but a key task for grassroots progressive leadership in election battles is to develop community-based power to replace corporate power.

Overall, a Sanders 2020 campaign could be a powerful catalyst for creating a new political culture that nurtures activism as a year-long, every-year way of life for millions of people across boundaries of race, class and region. For a future of democracy instead of oligarchy, that political culture has got to include and transcend electoral work.

<snip>

As progressives weigh involvement in the Sanders campaign and many other 2020 races, the Democratic Party should be approached much like we approach the government itself — an entity capable of inflicting great harm on a systemic basis, while also capable of mitigating systemic harm and doing profound good in response to social movements.

C0LLETTE 01-31-2019 10:30 AM
Any opinions on Marianne Williamson running?

homoe 01-31-2019 11:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by C0LLETTE (Post 1239569)
Any opinions on Marianne Williamson running?
I'll jump in COLLETTE, again like Schultz, really what are her qualifications?


I guess this time around I'm seeking someone who has political experience.

dark_crystal 01-31-2019 04:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by homoe (Post 1239570)
I'll jump in COLLETTE, again like Schultz, really what are her qualifications?


I guess this time around I'm seeking someone who has political experience.
HELLO?? She is Oprah's spiritual advisor what more do you need?

(just kidding)

Wikipedia says
  • She ran for congress in 2014
  • "She campaigned on a broad array of progressive issues, including: greater access to high-quality education and free college; child poverty; economic justice; climate change & renewable energy; campaign finance reform; universal health care; criminal justice reform; ending perpetual war and increasing investments in peacebuilding; women’s reproductive rights; and LGBTQ equality among others"
  • Williamson has been a public advocate in the arenas of racial justice and race relations. She is known for leading public apologies for slavery and has encouraged paying reparations for slavery. Williamson has also worked in support of reforming the criminal justice system.
  • Williamson advocates for an open border immigration policy, stating that as long as individuals are vetted, they should be allowed to move to the United States.

Anyway, she's toast lol

homoe 02-01-2019 07:52 AM
It's Official.........
 
..

Cory Booker jumped in this morning.....

homoe 02-02-2019 09:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by homoe (Post 1239436)
Howard Schultz, Please Don’t Run for President...........




Really, what qualifications do you have besides being a decent businessman???????
Schultz was faced by protesters here in his home town of Seattle, with signs that said "Grande Ego" & "Venti Mistake" in regards to his possible run for president,while promoting his new book.

Martina 02-02-2019 09:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by homoe (Post 1239634)
..

Cory Booker jumped in this morning.....
Yep. He's one I would not vote for should he get the nomination. Corporate shill.

homoe 02-02-2019 10:00 AM
Oprah is going to be between a rock and a hard place!

She & Gail are friends HUGE BUDS with Cory yet with Harris in the running who knows! She could even possibly back someone other than those two!

It's going to interesting.......

Martina 02-02-2019 05:58 PM
I don't think Gail can officially endorse a candidate. She's co-anchor of a news show, which will certainly be covering the election.

Martina 02-02-2019 06:01 PM
Booker is corrupt. Big picture corrupt. I have no idea if he's actually done anything illegal, but he owes some big corporate constituencies. I read that he has already been making the rounds looking for corporate support. There are better Democrats running.

Kätzchen 02-02-2019 09:30 PM
Interesting article tonight concerning tax platform ideas
 
Democrats' Tax Plans Reflects Profound Shift In Public Mood

by Matt Viser | The Washington Post (click on link above for article)



I found an article tonight, published about thirty minutes ago, and it features some of the platform ideas proposed by several Democratic Presidential contenders, concerning money/inequality/tax evasion etc.

I think what I found myself nodding in agreement to was an idea expressed by Senator Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio): Brown is stressing middle-class tax cuts and overhauling the tax code to punish companies that cut wages or ship jobs overseas. I can see how Brown's view about doing something like this would provide better oversight and transparency (if one could say that), by overhauling the tax code... like propose this idea of his as a part of a more wide reaching tax reform type House Bill.

But the tricky part of this idea Brown proposes is that how does one reign in corporate business with this type of tax reform because while it's a good idea to foster big business employers to remain located in the US and not dislocate workers who've been on the job (for years, most likely -- think Detroit-MI, Elkhart-IN, Pittsburg-PA, or even Daimler or shipping yards or iron workers or construction workers, etc), I think that lots of people living in the mid-west, or wherever big business employers are generally found, are the vanishing middle-class, if there's a middle class at all. Most of America can be understood to be a majority of citizens, who are widely recognized as "the working poor." (I am, I've never had a fabulous paying job, ever in my life).



I sometimes understand the topic concerning platform politics, but sometimes I get lost trying to understand.



The article covers ideas by Sen. Warren, Sen. Ocasio-Cortez, Sen. Booker, Sen. Guillibrand, Sen. Harris, Sen. Sanders, and a few other people who weigh in on certain platform ideas by the senators featured in the article.



Lots to think about, but I do think that reforming the tax code to hold plutocrats, cazillionaires, etc, accountable so that they invest in people, the economy, and keep business here in the US is a good idea. We've all read news accounts of those who have sheltered their profits/income streams/etc by not paying taxes or investing in their employees and the US economy in general. I'd like to see that change and for the ordinary person to be able to earn a decent living, and actually not have to fret and worry about when the next check comes, will there be anything left to buy food or pay the bills in timely ways (…..).



I don't know about anyone else, but if the SOTU address is aired this week, I am SOOOOOO looking forward to hearing the rebuttal given by Stacy Abrams.

dark_crystal 02-03-2019 10:29 AM
NBC News: Russia's propaganda machine discovers 2020 Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard, by Robert Windrem and Ben Popken, Feb. 2, 2019, 6:03 AM CST

The Russian propaganda machine that tried to influence the 2016 U.S. election is now promoting the presidential aspirations of a controversial Hawaii Democrat who earlier this month declared her intention to run for president in 2020.

An NBC News analysis of the main English-language news sites employed by Russia in its 2016 election meddling shows Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, who is set to make her formal announcement Saturday, has become a favorite of the sites Moscow used when it interfered in 2016.

Several experts who track websites and social media linked to the Kremlin have also seen what they believe may be the first stirrings of an upcoming Russian campaign of support for Gabbard.

Since Gabbard announced her intention to run on Jan. 11, there have been at least 20 Gabbard stories on three major Moscow-based English-language websites affiliated with or supportive of the Russian government: RT, the Russian-owned TV outlet; Sputnik News, a radio outlet; and Russia Insider

Gabbard was mentioned on the three sites about twice as often as two of the best known Democratic possibilities for 2020, Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders, each with 10 stories. Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren had fewer. In each case, the other contenders were treated more critically than Gabbard, with headlines like "'Don't Run': Vermont Paper Begs Bernie Sanders Not to Seek US Presidency in 2020" and "Sexist much? Biden blames 'conservative blonde woman' for shutdown, 'forgets' Ann Coulter's name."

<snip>

"Her promulgation of positions compatible with Russian geo strategic interests can help them mainstream such discussion in the [Democratic] party," said Alex Stamos, former chief security officer at Facebook and now an NBC News analyst. Gabbard, said Stamos, helps them with all their "lines of attack."

<snip>

Gabbard's most controversial position and the one where she's most in line with Russian interests is on Syria. She's accused the U.S. of pushing a policy of "regime change" wars and in January 2017, she met with Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad in Syria on what she called a "fact-finding mission."

RT began defending Gabbard as soon as she announced.

Russia-deniers on both right and left dismiss these concerns with "they're not doing anything we don't do" and that's true.

Information warfare has always existed and exists on all levels-- at work, in entertainment, in advertising, and in the official explanations of our own government on every topic.

Possibly the hysteria over information warfare is the MSM (note the source, NBC News)/centrist way of reviving Russia as an enemy now that terrorism is becoming less effective, so they can maintain the corporatist system, which is in itself yet some more information warfare.

"Beating Russia" as an agenda will be a lot cheaper than "saving the planet."

The problem i have with information warfare is it is so asymmetrical. It is the powerful against the weak on every level, and one side is not at all equipped for it.

Martina 02-03-2019 12:55 PM
I don't think she has a chance in the primaries. She has that history of anti-gay statements, and she has long been affiliated with what some deem to be a cult.

Edited to add: https://medium.com/@lalitamann/an-in...uru-e2650f0d09

CherylNYC 02-03-2019 06:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martina (Post 1239775)
I don't think she has a chance in the primaries. She has that history of anti-gay statements, and she has long been affiliated with what some deem to be a cult.

Edited to add: https://medium.com/@lalitamann/an-in...uru-e2650f0d09
That was pretty scary.

homoe 02-04-2019 06:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CherylNYC (Post 1239815)
That was pretty scary.


Ditto..............

homoe 02-05-2019 10:51 AM
Don't call him a Billionaire..................
 
...

Howard just wants to be referred to a "person of means"!

Perhaps he thinks that makes him more relate-able to the average working stiff?

C0LLETTE 02-05-2019 11:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by homoe (Post 1239932)
...

Howard just wants to be referred to a "person of means"!

Perhaps he thinks that makes him more relate-able to the average working stiff?
I don't think he's that dumb. I don't much admire him but I don't think he's trying to be the obverse of Trump and blow "poor".

Why does he have to be more relatable to the average working stiff? Far as I can remember, the only President (in the last 100 years or so )relatable to the average working stiff is Trump and he claims no simple means. Actually, seems like working stiffs like their Presidents to have 24K water taps and solid gold bidets...it's aspirational, i guess.

dark_crystal 02-05-2019 12:50 PM
Monmouth University Polling Institute: Dems Prefer Electability in 2020
(numbers below from poll as quoted by @ryanstruyk)

2020 numbers among whites by college education

Whites w/ a college degree:
Biden 22%
Harris 15%
Warren 13%
Sanders 12%

Whites w/o a college degree:
Biden 36%
Sanders 19%
Harris 10%
Warren 8%

2020 poll numbers by race

Whites:
Biden 30%
Sanders 16%
Harris 12%
Warren 10%

Nonwhites:
Biden 27%
Sanders 16%
O’Rourke 12%
Harris 9%

2020 poll numbers by gender

Men:
Biden 35%
Sanders 17%
Booker 7%
Warren 7%
Harris 5%
O’Rourke 5%

Women:
Biden 26%
Sanders 16%
Harris 14%
O’Rourke 8%
Warren 8%

2020 poll numbers by age

Over 50 years old:
Biden 38%
Harris 8%
Warren 7%
O’Rourke 7%
Sanders 5%
Booker 5%

Under 50 years old:
Sanders 27%
Biden 21%
Harris 13%
Warren 8%
O’Rourke 8%

This is depressing lol. But it is still early, right???

Martina 02-05-2019 05:39 PM
Look at those young folk. If they would only vote.

homoe 02-06-2019 10:11 AM
We'll know for sure Sunday......
 
But it sure looks like Amy Klobuchar is tossing her hat into the ring!

The announcement is planned in Boom Island Minneapolis.

Martina 02-09-2019 04:29 PM
Lots of publicity about how she treats her staff.

homoe 02-09-2019 09:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martina (Post 1240214)
Lots of publicity about how she treats her staff.
Yup, I've read that! But given the right circumstances, I think Trump would throw his own mother under the bus so there is that!

homoe 02-09-2019 09:48 PM
CNN..........
 
Sen. Elizabeth Warren officially launched her 2020 presidential campaign today at a rally in Lawrence, Massachusetts, using the backdrop of Everett Mills -- the site of a historic 1912 labor strike led by women and immigrants -- to issue a call to action against wealthy power brokers who "have been waging class warfare against hardworking people for decades."

Over 44 minutes in sub-freezing temperatures, Warren described a political elite "bought off" and "bullied" by corporate giants, and a middle class squeezed so tight it "can barely breathe."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/09/polit...tts/index.html

dark_crystal 02-10-2019 11:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dark_crystal (Post 1239766)
NBC News: Russia's propaganda machine discovers 2020 Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard, by Robert Windrem and Ben Popken, Feb. 2, 2019, 6:03 AM CST

The Russian propaganda machine that tried to influence the 2016 U.S. election is now promoting the presidential aspirations of a controversial Hawaii Democrat who earlier this month declared her intention to run for president in 2020.

An NBC News analysis of the main English-language news sites employed by Russia in its 2016 election meddling shows Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, who is set to make her formal announcement Saturday, has become a favorite of the sites Moscow used when it interfered in 2016.

Several experts who track websites and social media linked to the Kremlin have also seen what they believe may be the first stirrings of an upcoming Russian campaign of support for Gabbard.

<snip>

Gabbard's most controversial position and the one where she's most in line with Russian interests is on Syria. She's accused the U.S. of pushing a policy of "regime change" wars and in January 2017, she met with Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad in Syria on what she called a "fact-finding mission."

RT began defending Gabbard as soon as she announced.
My twitter account was followed this week by "Jennifer Adams @Jennife25259140 Mom,model,various other roles..., struggling human being, hoping for enlightenment"

Who is totally a Russian bot. Her account today only shows achievements in online games plus random tumblr reblogs, but when i scrolled through on the day she followed me, these were interspersed with a bunch of social justice tweets-- #metoo, #BLM, etc-- except every 7th or 8th tweet would be pro-Assad.

Weird and creepy.

i looked at accounts that follow her and a lot of them were nothing but game achievements, too. I think that's how they keep the accounts active when they don't have them doing anything else/build up their activity so they look less fake. The gaming tweets go back several years but the political tweets appear and disappear.

Now i am reverse searching their profile photos to see if they're stock or stolen. Also reporting reporting reporting, not that @jack will do anything.

Kätzchen 02-10-2019 12:15 PM
I came across a news press release, the other day, concerning Julian Castro, and how he talked about his plan to win Texas, Florida, Arizona, and Michigan, Pennsylvania (...).

For anyone who might be interested in learning more about JC and his political platform, you can read about it here (LINK).


Also, there's an CNN interview clip and article too, found here (LINK)

homoe 02-10-2019 01:30 PM
Another article on Amy, tho IF I was to vote for her I don't think I'd let her lack of tack sway me!


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b03afe8d674530

Martina 02-11-2019 10:16 AM
Well, between being a mainstream Dem and clearly being a jerk, she doesn't interest me much. Fortunately, we have a lot of candidates to choose from.

charley 02-14-2019 07:40 AM
Kamala Harris
 
Been watching the news, and apparently, Kamala Harris is leading over other candidates who are running for President in the "social media" arena... (I must say, I rather like her and every time, I have seen her face, she has brought up a smile on this face) :) and this is because of what I have seen while watching TV news - all due to her "authenticity"... In other words, she is the same person with everyone - being true to her self. Personally, this is one quality I respect above many other qualities, a person I might trust. However, having said this, I do not know how this will weigh in the selection process, especially considering how Trump won, being the most unauthentic person one could imagine. Apparently, for many Americans, popularity in the polls has more to do with "vested interests" rather than "authenticity".

Martina 02-14-2019 01:12 PM
I'm a fan of Kamala Harris, but she's a tough cookie. We need that. But I am not sure how much we know her. She's a lawyer who's career has been entirely in law enforcement. I support her. She is my second choice after Bernie. But I think she is super ambitious, super tough, and not someone I'd invite on a long walking tour. BUT, she stands for the right things, and that toughness is what we need, what we have needed. I vastly prefer Bernie, who truly inspires, but I'd be excited and hopeful if she got the nomination.


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