No questions Thinker, just a bit confused as when I tried to report an offensive post in this particular thread, I got the following message:

PLEASE NOTE: We ***DO NOT*** moderate posts in the Red Zone unless it is a death threat, threats of bodily harm, something illegal, etc. If you are reporting a post that you find problematic, the entire purpose of The Red Zone is to give you the opportunity to address the post YOURSELF by engaging with the person who posted it.

Either way, my apologies. I'm sure there'll be lots more opportunities for me to speak to popcorn directly.

Words

I see. Good point. The message you see there shows up as a default whenever the "reporting" function is used.....just as a reminder to the member to see if the discussion is in the Red Zone.

This particular discussion is not in the RZ (but the message shows up anyway). I can certainly understand your confusion there and appreciate you explaining that.

Thanks again,
Thinker (moderator)

Pilot refuses flight to Muslims

Posted: May 08, 2011 3:14 PM PDT
Updated: May 08, 2011 3:15 PM PDT
CHARLOTTE, NC (WSOC/CNN) - Two Muslim leaders were removed from a plane after the pilot refused to fly with them on board.

It happened Friday on an Atlantic Southeast Airlines flight.

The two imams were headed to North Carolina for a conference on prejudice against Muslims when they were removed from the plane by TSA agents.

The pilot said passengers were uncomfortable with the two men, who were wearing traditional Muslim clothing.

Airport security screened again the two men and cleared them, but the pilot refused to let them back on.

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This is just bullshit! My hope is that this pilot is at least reprimanded by his employer- and I wouldn't blame these men for filing a law suit.

So, would it be OK for a pilot to refuse flying some queers, too? I tiink the passengers having the problem should have been removed and put on another flight, if anything. And it is bullshit they were scxreened for a second time.

http://www.kfvs12.com/story/14595636...ght-to-muslims

I wish I could say I was shocked by the postings and the language which is being used to describe human beings.

As many of you know, I work in Peace - Primarily with children around the world and gratefully in countries such as Pakistan -- The term *Paki* is beyond offensive.

I am not going to get into a political debate about why all of this is so very wrong. It makes me sad.

I leave you with this...
Art work by a child who might not be around to create her art for me this year - because we american's find it necessary (not all) to devalue lives and forget the faces. We think we are such a huge world, but really are very small.

Here is Peace - from the eyes of a child in Pakistan.

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/o...g?t=1305042437

This little child - maybe she can teach you something. Now, I am off to read the confederate flag subject -- this is MY community. I know we do not have to all get along and I know we all are different in so many beautiful ways. But to be proud to be hateful and disregard human beings... Is such a disappointment.

The face of the enemy!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B_2b6z6A4k...girl5_3868.jpg

[As many of you know, I work in Peace - Primarily with children around the world and gratefully in countries such as Pakistan -- The term *Paki* is beyond offensive.]


I personally thank you Julie for your contributions for peace. I hope the world will one day be a better place.
Maybe people are offended by the shortening of these nationalities ?:
Scot = from Scotland

Pole = from Poland

German = from Germany

Brit = from Britain

Aussie = from Australia

Finn = from Finland

Swede = from Sweden

All used without offence.

I think its because people associate the word Paki with racism, perhaps its time the word was reclaimed. The fault lies with those who use the word offensively in the first place not with those who use it without malice.

It's not YOUR word to' reclaim.

WTF is wrong witn people proclaiming what words they can and will claim usable???

DISLIKE!

You should go read wikipedia so that way you'll know it's a derogatory word, ffs stop using these racist slurs!

WWWS?
 

Pa**

Pa** may refer to:

Paki, California, former settlement in Butte County -

Pa**, a derogatory term for a person from South Asia, particularly Indians, Pakistanis-and Bangladeshis

Pākī (c. 1808–1855), a Hawaiian high chief during the reign of King Kamehameha III

This is both sad and hilarious all at once. Why? Because most of the words you wrote as "shortenings of nationalities" are the actually names for those nationalities.

For example: German = Germany...really? That is a shortening of the German nationality? So what is the original then, if not German? Germany is the name of the country, German is the name of the people. How the fuck is that a short form of anything?

Same with Finn and Swede. Nobody says "That guy is a Finnish" or "That guy is a Swedish." Finn and Swede are the nouns used to denote a citizen of Finland or Sweden or someone of Finnish or Swedish heritage...they are not just a shorter version of another word. "He is a Finn" vs. "He is Finnish" It's like "He is an Englishman" vs. "He is English." You don't say "He is an English."

Same thing for Pole and Scot: "He is a Pole" vs. "He is Polish." Nobody goes around saying "He is a Polish" or "He is a Scottish." Don't be ridiculous.

I would argue that Brit can be offensive depending on how it's used, especially in former British colonies where we might be referring to the British in a negative way. But overall, it's a word that has its stem from the British themselves, and not typically or always used to denote inferiority or negativity.

Same with Aussie.

However, if someone were to call me a "Frog" or a "Kraut," as a "white European" you better believe I'd be offended. Same if I heard someone call a Pole a "Polack," that would be just as offensive despite that Poles are white Europeans. Using any slur for ANY race or ANY ethnicity, yes including all ethnic Europeans, is disrespectful, offensive and shameful.

The word for citizens of Pakistan or people of Pakistani heritage is Pakistani and you can say "He is a Pakistani" just as well as "He is Pakistani" just the same as you could say "He is Greek" and "He is a Greek." There's no way to justify the use of that particular slur to refer directly to or address Pakistanis as not racist, no matter how much you might try.

For the life of me, I am not understanding why it is so difficult to "hear" that something is offensive to other people.

Just by virtue of how sensitive relations are these days between Arab countries and Muslims and the degree of racist attitudes and actions, I think it just a good idea to believe what POC are saying about this.

I agree. The comments about cutting off aid to this and/or other countries, made me wonder why we provide so much aid to countries who still condone execution for homosexuals ( among other human rights violations).

It wasn't that long ago that the list of countries represented at the UN who approved of execution was released. I recall being surprised that Haiti, a country who was at that time ( and is still currently) trying to rebuild from such a huge disaster much due to the aid coming from the USA and other countries, is among those countries on the UN list.

Here's that list:

http://www.whatthefolly.com/2010/11/...gender-people/

( scroll to bottom for 79 countries)... just for a source.

Sorry for the derail. I guess it just made me think that if we should cut aid... cut it to ALL tyrants.

After a very long day, I'm very drowsy, can't keep up with reading this rather interesting Debate..
I will "Explain" my vote very briefly, for tonight, and subscribe..
You'll have to brush off any misunderstanding until I'm wide awake...
So, that being said..
Like quite a few, maybe they did....maybe they didn't....I'm leaning towards highly suspicious but not quite sure [why else would they take so fucking long to shoot him?*besides profit!*]
Let's take this "Fabulously Powerful" country called the U.S., ok....
Bear with me...
Some [Warren Jeffs comes to mind]Fundamentalist Mormons, marrying their cousin-sister-aunties, and banishing the potential rival son-uncle-nephews...in Enclaves that most of us had no fucking clue...
Not terrorists, true....but, we had no clue....

another example, take a pick of Serial killers....
My favorite?
Zodiac....
Why? Fucker to this day has yet to be found, within our own country....
Smart cookie...

And of course, there's the very touchy part...
Illegal Immigrants, some acting out as "Mules", not all are south of the border...
Some violate Visas[work, student, etc...]
Some have dubious intentions, and some are simply trying to slide under the wire to live with their same-sex partner and 2 kids.
After all the U.S. forbids gay marriage and gay rights within Immigration....
Immigration idea being said,
Who knows if private rich Pakistani's paid of private easily bribed poor Soldiers to protect their "rich" enclave, so they can have....what they might've considered, the Honor to be Host to a man who leads a fanatic cause against what is perceived in some places the most powerful Bully worldwide.
I say this because Persian, Middle Eastern, and Arab hospitality is notoriously known, a Guest is usually treated as King, regardless of known or stranger, once immediate danger is written off.....
That Intelligence was leaked by a greedy guard, higher up Pakistani Gov. maybe? Ok, Thats plausable too.....
But you really can't expect Pakistan to be aware of every Minute detail going on in a country where if u even dare pass the Khyber Pass anonymously, and live to tell, you're fuckin' Blessed.
Even we have issues, and our immigration laws are slowly choking the statue of liberty.....

{btw, i thoroughly agree on the "paki" crap, i cringed with every time i read it...especially when someone treated it so casual...it's as if someone just shrugged off calling me a spic, or half-breed :badmood:}

g'night...
:tiredcomputer:

war is hell .. maybe the blame should be on those who hide behinde their wives and children as well..he had no right being there w. his family KNOWING that he is a wanted man .. he should have bucked up and lived alone .. also .. of course they knew he was there ..