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The_Lady_Snow 02-26-2010 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr. (Post 57778)
Today I was watching a Native American show on TV. I don't understand why the Indians would fight amongst themselves. That truely baffles me. And then they would take in "white men" as their own.

Can someone explain this to me? Was this true to life or just Hollywood?


I am not Native American, but I can say this..

Humans do that, we all fight amongst our own. Hell Andrew look around this site or any other site..

So I say human nature yes?

:ohm:

Liam 02-26-2010 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr. (Post 57778)
Today I was watching a Native American show on TV. I don't understand why the Indians would fight amongst themselves. That truely baffles me. And then they would take in "white men" as their own.

Can someone explain this to me? Was this true to life or just Hollywood?

Its not just Hollywood, Andrew, Native Americans fought Native Americans. They took prisoners and some were enslaved and others were adopted. Yes, some Native Americans had slaves. Why did they do it? I think Snowy nailed it, its human nature.

Andrew, Jr. 02-26-2010 03:38 PM


Snowy and Liam,

You both are right. I never thought of it that way before. But yes.




alex k 02-26-2010 03:46 PM

hoorah for human nature! Cos even when everyone else is against us and we should be banding together we will find a way to divide ourselves and eliminate the weakest

TIMBERWOLF 02-26-2010 04:04 PM

to my sister......Spirit Dancer
 
http://www.butchfemmedance.com/forum...ies/flower.gifWild and Freehttp://www.butchfemmedance.com/forum...ies/flower.gif
In my heart I am Indian,Wild and Free
But in this world,it was not meant to be.
Sun father,Moon Woman,Earth Mother,
Guiding me through my day
But somehow,In this world I loss my way
Great Spirit, far and wide,
Please come to me and be my guide,
take me as your daughter and you'll be proud of me
And then I shall become an Indian on the wind that's
Wild and Free
Where for me happiness shall always be.http://www.butchfemmedance.com/forum...ies/flower.gif

Author Unknown

TIMBERWOLF 02-26-2010 04:23 PM

Do not grieve. Misfortunes will happen to the wisest and best of men. Death will come, always out of season. It is the command of the Great Spirit, and all nations and people must obey. What is past and what cannot be prevented should not be grieved for ... Misfortunes do not flourish particularly in our lives - they grow everywhere.
Big Elk - Omaha Chief

Spirit Dancer 02-26-2010 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommi (Post 57442)

Today I needed this thank you my friend:)
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Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr. (Post 57778)
Today I was watching a Native American show on TV. I don't understand why the Indians would fight amongst themselves. That truely baffles me. And then they would take in "white men" as their own.
My family still fights amongst themselves Andrew, it's human nature and personalities they do clash.:)
Can someone explain this to me? Was this true to life or just Hollywood?

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Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 57781)
I am not Native American, but I can say this..

Humans do that, we all fight amongst our own. Hell Andrew look around this site or any other site..

So I say human nature yes?

:ohm:

Thank you:)
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Originally Posted by Liam (Post 57823)
Its not just Hollywood, Andrew, Native Americans fought Native Americans. They took prisoners and some were enslaved and others were adopted. Yes, some Native Americans had slaves. Why did they do it? I think Snowy nailed it, its human nature.

Liam glad to see you and thank you too.:)
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Originally Posted by TIMBERWOLF (Post 57865)
http://www.butchfemmedance.com/forum...ies/flower.gifWild and Freehttp://www.butchfemmedance.com/forum...ies/flower.gif
In my heart I am Indian,Wild and Free
But in this world,it was not meant to be.
Sun father,Moon Woman,Earth Mother,
Guiding me through my day
But somehow,In this world I loss my way
Great Spirit, far and wide,
Please come to me and be my guide,
take me as your daughter and you'll be proud of me
And then I shall become an Indian on the wind that's
Wild and Free
Where for me happiness shall always be.http://www.butchfemmedance.com/forum...ies/flower.gif

Author Unknown

Timber, this was quite beautiful, I thank you my friend and look forward to a sweat soon.:)
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Originally Posted by TIMBERWOLF (Post 57877)
Do not grieve. Misfortunes will happen to the wisest and best of men. Death will come, always out of season. It is the command of the Great Spirit, and all nations and people must obey. What is past and what cannot be prevented should not be grieved for ... Misfortunes do not flourish particularly in our lives - they grow everywhere.
Big Elk - Omaha Chief

Thanks for sharing this quote.

Spirit Dancer 02-26-2010 10:14 PM

"The Great Spirit is the one that's looking after us."
--Jimmy Jackson, OJIBWAY
The only place our minds can find peace is when our focus is on the Creator. Daily we need to ask the Creator to direct our thinking. When we look at our brothers and sisters, we need to see the Creator in them. When we look at the trees, plants and the animals, we need to realize the Creator is within us. Our attention needs to be on the Creator. When we work, we do it for the Creator. When we are troubled, we need to pray to the Creator. When we are happy and joyful, we need to realize we are feeling the presence of the Creator. Thinking God thoughts will produce peace.

Oh Great Mystery, let me focus on You today.

Spirit Dancer 02-26-2010 10:20 PM

late my friend, but the thought is there
 
My face is a mask I order to say nothing
About the fragile feelings hiding in my soul.



-Glenn Lazore (Mohawk)

violaine 02-27-2010 03:32 PM

meditative-
 
if you do not understand your friend under all conditions you will never understand him-

how narrow is the vision that exhalts the busyness of the ant above the singing of the grasshopper

sand and foam
kahlil gibran

TROOPER 02-27-2010 07:52 PM

Wakan Tanka, Great Mystery,
teach me how to trust my heart, my mind, my intuition,
my inner knowing, the senses of my body, the blessings of my spirit.
Teach me to trust these things so that I may enter my Sacred Space
and love beyond my fear, and thus Walk in Balance
with the passing of each glorious Sun.

~ Lakota Prayer ~

TROOPER 02-27-2010 08:18 PM

Peace and happiness
are available in every moment
Peace in every step
We shall walk hand in hand
There are no political solutions to spiritual problems
If the Creator put it there, it is in the right place.


~~The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears ~~

TROOPER 02-27-2010 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by violaine (Post 58364)
if you do not understand your friend under all conditions you will never understand him-

how narrow is the vision that exhalts the busyness of the ant above the singing of the grasshopper

sand and foam
kahlil gibran



Tell me and I'll forget
Show me, and I may not remember
Involve me, and I'll understand

~~Tribe Unknown~~

Spirit Dancer 02-28-2010 02:49 AM

"The Old Ones have always said that no matter who despises or ignores you, no matter who keeps you from entering their circles, it is right to pray for them because the are like us, too."

--Larry P. Aitken, CHIPPEWA

You don't know how an apple tastes until you taste it. You don't know what a fish tastes like until you eat it. You don't know how it is to be a woman unless you are one. You don't know what it means to have a baby until you have one. So it is with the natural laws. An example: the natural law of forgiveness says, if you hate someone, pray for the person to be blessed with happiness, joy and all the blessings of the Great Spirit. You will not know about this law unless you do it. The natural law says love others as you love yourself. If you hate yourself or feel guilt in some area of yourself, you will tend to judge and condemn your neighbor. You cannot give away what you don't have. You teach your children by your example, not by your words. The natural laws are written in our hearts.


Great Spirit, teach me how to look into my heart

Spirit Dancer 02-28-2010 04:07 PM

"Ultimately, nature will do the teaching."
--Tom Porter, MOHAWK
There are things man has control over, and there are things man does not have control over. No matter how smart we get, whether it be in technology or science, there are things we will never control. The Great Spirit carefully protected and hid the control over certain things in the Unseen World. There are forces in the Unseen World that make sure humans don't mess things up. The bottom line is, no matter what we do, nature will have the last say. Nature is the teacher, we are the students. May we honor and respect our teacher.

Great Spirit, today, help me to live in harmony with people, principles, and life.

Spirit Dancer 03-01-2010 08:14 AM

"The beginning is purification, that's the first step. And purification means purification of body and mind. You don't purify the body without cleansing the mind; that's the way it works."
--Rolling Thunder, CHEROKEE
If we have bad thoughts or poison in our minds, they will eventually show up in our bodies in the form of headaches, pains, and stomach problems. It works this way because we are interconnected. Our minds and our bodies are one system. So when we start to grow, or commit to the Red Road, we need to start cleaning up our thoughts and start showing respect for our bodies. We start purifying our minds by prayer and meditation, and we start cleansing our bodies by getting the right amount of sleep and developing good eating habits. Today, I'm going to observe my thoughts. Will my thoughts be clean today?

Great Spirit, let me focus on Your love today so my mind will be pure.

Spirit Dancer 03-01-2010 08:17 AM

Don't be afraid to cry. It will free your mind of sorrowful thoughts.
Native American Proverb

Spirit Dancer 03-01-2010 08:18 AM

Friendship between two persons depends upon the patience of one.
Native American Proverb

Liquefaction 03-01-2010 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TROOPER (Post 58539)
Tell me and I'll forget
Show me, and I may not remember
Involve me, and I'll understand

~~Tribe Unknown~~

This is so true for me!!! Thank you!

Liquefaction 03-01-2010 09:17 AM

I just want to tell all of you that I really enjoy this thread! There is a lot of wisdom in these words.

Some years ago(10+) I started to read about Native American Spirituality and went to see a shaman. It changed the way I saw the world, into a more positive/understanding light.

Thank you all for reminding me of the power of this knowledge!


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