And I disagree that it's a *most* people thing. I think more people than less have an assumed danger in their jobs. But we can agree to disagree.

I didn't know you work for the government...I thought you worked at a dentist's office.

Again, I don't know what you do for the government, but you're welcome to talk to Mahhh Woman about the (un)safety of her job. I'm sure her friend who was under 24hour police protection for months (I think it was months) would be willing to tell you about her experiences being followed, called on her personal phones, etc by known criminals.

Again, you're leaving out judges, district attorneys (more of Mahhh Woman's friends), court workers, etc.

I also don't know how long you were in construction, but I've seen some horrible accidents and even a man get run over by one of those big asphalt rollers. Only one of the accidents (a guy who accidently poured two buckets of hot tar all over his face...it was pretty horrible) was under the person's control. And when I set a man's leg on fire...it wasn't under his control.

We have probation and parole officers.

My point is, there is no assumed safety when dealing with other people. No one really knows when someone is going to snap. And if you're in a position that completely disrupts the lives of others, the chances of someone snapping go up.

Just as there's no assumed safety when driving your car. You never know what someone else is going to do. I mean, like you said, even at a pizza shop there's a bomb threat. And how many churches (they're 'supposed' to be safe) have been bombed?


Dylan

And I left out all of the places in which One has to walk through a metal detector before entering...which now includes schools in some areas.

If there's an assumption of safety, why are there metal detectors?


Dylan

Did he get a permit from the city to do that? :|

Boy, they have permits for everything these days, don't they!! :readfineprint:

You are absolutely right. I did put "we", my apologies. But are you really going to try and stick with your argument that people are not afraid of their government? If not by taxes, name one out of a billion other things that our government has us by the balls by.

Are you really going to deny the fear?

That being said, are you really going to deny that our government has us afraid which is contradictory to the foundation of the constitution? This country?

I really just want people to sit and think about that. Out of EVERYTHING we fight/disagree about, we should STILL not fear our government for any reason. Its unconscionable, and unconstitutional.

And don't forget that CPS can investigate and take your kids based on "reports" of abuse. Pics of your kids in the bath tub? Be careful who sees them as you might have a government agency on your doorstep asking about child pornography. Got a beef with your neighbor. Pray he or she doesn't go to the police and make up reports of terrorism, drugs, bombs etc on. Watch what you check out of the library too. Its all kept on record. And if you end up on the no fly list due to an error or you have the same name as someone on the list, well give it up, you're driving from now on. Imagine being an 18 year old high school senior who has sex with his 16 year old high school girlfriend. Oops. your're now on the sexual predator list for LIFE. It happens. Uhh don't want to get on the wrong side of the US government. My girlfriend is a naturalized citizen and worries that the Feds have her fingerprints on file for life. Had to be fingerprinted to get her citizenship. That's it, she's on the grid for life. She's in the database. She laughs about it but seriously they have them. It gives you pause. Oh and be careful what you write on this board, on any internet board, on an email because you put the wrong string of words together and bam......listen for that knock on the door. Or you say the wrong thing on the phone.......they're listening......Uhhh you have to be careful what you do, what you say, who you make friends with. Call me paranoid .....but I think there is a lot of truth to what I say. Oh and don't get me started on all the people who are innocent and end up in prison for years on end. And all the mismangement, fraud, corruption, bribery, incompetent workers, graft, nepotism, friends hiring friends at all level of government and in all government agencies.

Rufus

He most certainly did.

Five people in my house.

5 showers a day.

Aprox.25-30 flushes a day

15-20 loads of laundry a week..in a large washer.

My bill this month was 18 dollars.

Sewage was 23.

The kids are gonna have to start peeing in the yard.

:2cents:

Taxes are a necessary evil in a civilized society. When I was in Germany almost half of my income went to taxes. Of course there wasn't any tax on gas or consumables, but it felt like a lot, until I got hurt and the German Doctor fixed me and sent me on my way.

We all have to pay taxes. As I always say to people who don't want to pay taxes, great, stay off the highways, don't call a cop or a fireman, don't ask the Army to do anything on your behalf and don't take an airplane. Don't send your brats to the public schools and don't ask us to put anyone in jail for committing a crime that won't be investigated because there are no police. I could go on for a while on that one but I think my point is clear.

The wingnut faction who is trying to steal this country away with their don't tread on me bullshit is out of touch with the reality of an entity as large as this country. Do I want my tax money wasted? Absolutely not. Do I want a safety net in place for people who fall on hard times? Yes. Do I want to support someone who is capable of working for the rest of their life? No. Do I have a problem paying my fair share? Nope.

Personally, I want corporations out of government. I do not want BofA or anyone else contributing to the election of a Congressman. The Supreme Court came out with their worst decision of all time on that one. OK, Dred Scott was worse, but you get what I mean. I do not want banks bailed out by our government while families lose their homes. And if Good Lord willing I become one of the 2% who make over $250k a year, I'll pay my fair share. If I can't make my mortgage payment, I expect to lose my house under the terms of the contract I signed. If a CEO runs a company into the ground because like Jamie Dimon they thought the real estate market would never stop going up, they should lose their jobs and their houses. They should not get a pat on the back, a bucket of money and a bonus next year.

I understand that people are frustrated. It's a lack of education and the result of 8 years of an Asleep at the Wheel Presidency. Last month I had a guy blame Obama for him losing his house. Except they missed he first mortgage payment in July 2008. There is a disconnect.

We forget that Bush couldn't find oil in Texas, ran the Rangers into the ground and basically had a track record of fucking up a wet dream. It's not some drone following procedures at an IRS building that is the problem. It's the Congress that enacts laws that they haven't read that have amendments in them that benefit corporations and punish constituents. It's the lack of personal responsibility in this country which is a direct extension of the lack of corporate responsibility in this country. If everybody stepped up and said "I own this", say like Tiger did, we'd be in a better place.

As for the clown that bulldozed the house, he breached the mortgage when he did that and now he'll have nothing and still owe taxes and the mortgage. They will hound him until the end of time. Idiot. And he's probably the kind of guy who complains about attorneys. Like my brother the attorney says "if y'all would act right, I'd be out of work, but you don't."

:explode:

oh really? tell me what you are going to do when there is no food left in the stores because of some disaster and people are coming down your driveway, intent on killing you and your family for what you have left?

going to just invite them in for tea and cookies?

I guess we'll have to get a plane and fly it into a building and kill a bunch of people. Right?
That'll solve the problem.

As it has been with most of my life I sit on a fence with this. I'm between liberal hippy and conservative bitch most likely caught in a bureaucratic trap most of us are in. Sheeple (is that right?) is exactly what we are.

Our government is the worse terrorist of all. Our entire civilization has been erected from slaughtering and abusing natives and other people in the name of some fucked up system that's soul agenda is to control us. We can celebrate a fucked up LIE called history and support a system that has literally abused us but damn the one individual that reacts.

I don't agree with any act of violence but I can damn sure see why he did what he did. The thought, I am sure has crossed many a mind. He was just willing to trade his life for it. Not something many of us would consider. No, I don't think he was a coward. I think he snapped and just had enough.

lets keep facts straight. he did not kill a bunch of people. other then himself there is 1 dead, 1 injured

Dude. Seriously?

His intent was to do a lot more damage than he did. You can read his manifesto until the end of time. Murder and mayhem. I cannot believe that you and any one else for that matter is defending murder and mayhem. I'd recommend a reality check.

Obviously you didn't read the manifesto properly, never once did he mention mass killing, or going on a rampage. He targeted the institution, not the people.

Ohhhhhh.....ok. One dead is ok. Got it now.

You scare me!

I think he was willing to trade ALOT of people's lives for it. Do you seriously believe he thought he'd be the only one to die??? You gotta be kidding me.
That whole fucking building could've exploded.

I truly can not fathom you people and your rationale.

*shakes head*

He was an extremely intelligent person. Do you really think he thought no one would get hurt?? Come on!

if he was only targeting "the institution" he might have chosen a time like say, midnight, instead of midmorning on a workday.

just sayin'.

and i can barely read, let alone his "manifesto". but it doesn't matter what he wrote, it's what he did; if he wasn't targeting people he did a bad job of carrying out his mission.

Who knew that someday people would have their lives saved by traffic on MoPac?