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Sometimes it seems that way, but maybe that's because the media focus is mainly on the femme/femme dynamic. I sure hope butches are sticking around... |
In my opinion, the only thing that's dying are all of the rules that were used to define a Butch's life.
Makes me tired just thinking about it. Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting there's something wrong with the ideas I've listed nor am I suggesting that all Butches have felt the pressure to uphold a certain idea of what it means to be Butch. However, I have witnessed the torment in friends and a partner. Cheers to living the life that truly makes you happy!!!(f) Duchess |
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I am a Butch in a non-Femme area. I get double takes from women here all the time. They look at me thinking I am a guy. I am sure that if I encountered a Femme I would not know unless she flirted with me. Then again one is never really sure.
I had a woman come in to the store to pick out a watch and she kept asking me which one I liked. LOL She picked the one I said I liked and then told the cashier that I helped her pick out the watch. She had strong eye contact. I think she was just a straight woman liking my energy. Oh well, the life of a Butch. |
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Thank you for saying this. Sometimes it feels we are a dying breed when, in reality, we are just morphing into ourselves, not adhering to preconceived notions or expectations, and doing experimenting of our own. Defining oneself rather than being defined is very liberating and satisfying. Albeit, a bit confusing to some. |
We are truly not a dying breed
We come in different sizes, shapes, colors, but we are out there I may not want to work on cars anymore at my age, but I will work a garden and mow a lawn for a partner, of course, I may want something in return, like an ice cold beer or iced tea or bottled water. What I think is that with all the stereotyping, I'll use me, with my long hair, may or may not be seen as butch by some, others may embrace it. Seems for some reason some femmes can't see the butch and some butches cannot recognize the femme. Wolfy, who would enjoy someone that sees me as I am :) |
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My biggest bromance and advocate is you...my bestest brudder in the world. Thank you for such kind words about me as you know, I love you back. There is nothing in this world I would not do for you, short of killing anyone. Sitting here, missing my bestie :) |
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I have so many wonderful, amazing Butch friends that I adore, and I can assure you, they are NOT a dying breed!!! Butches have such a long, rich history, and are so important to the GLBT community, and I know I sure don't want to see that tossed by the wayside. I *hope* what's dying are the stereotypes and incorrect propaganda - that Butches all want to be FTM, and that all FTMs are ex-Butches... FTM and Butch are two different identities, and it makes me sad how much animosity there is between the two. So PLEASE, to all the Butches out there, don't feel like you aren't super important to this community, and don't feel unappreciated, because I KNOW I'm not the only one who loves and supports you!! (Plus Butches are hot)
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I hope not....I feel pretty alive!:vigil:
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Just my .02 worth on this topic. I previously posted a longer comment on this issue.
The words "dying" and "Butch" in the same sentence make me uncomfortable first of all. I love my Butch friends dearly. Lots of women are interested in Butch folks. Trust me on this, I hear it all the time. My experience is that there is no way to tell if a woman identifies as Femme, bi, lesbian..whatever and who knows if she is married, single, poly, looking..you know what? We over process this stuff. If a woman is making eye contact with you she is interested in something. Take a chance and talk to her. Reach out. It could be the best choice that you ever make. |
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I hear you on this part Sun. Everytime this thread is resurrected, my mind goes weird places like: ~who do we petition to have "butches" put on the endangered species lists? ~I see commercials.....similar to the ones where polar bears are trying to gingerly make their way across globally warmed pieces of thinning, fragile ice.....stranded butches searching for stable ground, roaming the world, in a seemingly endless solitary quest....... ~the creation of a non-profit Save A Butch Foundation where in exchange for a donation, you adopt a butch, get photos and letters to keep you informed on how your butch is alive, well and thriving. Also comes with address labels. ~maybe a butch gps system? We get chipped, they download the app, instant visibility and access! Hmm. Or instant stalkerism. I might need to rethink this one. ~"butches as a dying breed" is really the new Tea Party propaganda campaign to undermine gender variance for the benefit of white men with penises. This new campaign will run parallel with their current quest to remake women into barefoot, pregnant, dependent, subservient beings. Okay that was just a slanted reminder to get out and VOTE tomorrow. ~we dont have to worry about butches becoming a dying breed even if we are evolving. If there is ever a shortage, I'm sure ConAgra will find a way to make a large variety of shelf-stable, frozen, and refrigerated reconstituted/re-engineered butch. |
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I wonder what prompts this question?
I can't speak for anyone else, but I am certainly not dead, nor am I moving to change My ID. ~Elijah |
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This is a great thread topic. I had often wondered the same thing. For years I used to say that "there are only two butches in Connecticut and they're with each other". Not that there would be anything wrong with that but still...:(
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I agree with Elijah, we are still here! Tye
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Based on what I've read, 12% of the population is gay..maybe that's wrong, but based on that say half of that is lesbian and we're talking about 6% of population. How much of that percentage even ascribes to the butch/femme dynamic...? Even if you say half, that's 3%, half femme and half butch, so 1.5% of the population is butch...in America? How many of those butches live in Boise, Idaho?
*crickets* Not very many. Maybe the lesbian population is larger than that, but it seems to me that most women are looking for someone to join them and their man in a threeway. On this site we have lots of dreamy people, but in Boise I don't see butches looking for femmes for romance and commitment. |
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The techie in me reeally wants this app! and I'm a super polite stalker... :cheesy: |
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I want to speak to your comment on people looking for romance and a commitment. My experience is that the "right" person can be anywhere. You will hear me tell friends to stay open to meeting someone who they have a spark with and not to let location stand in the way. Sure, some people think that is just crazy but if someone is serious, and really wants to get to know you, they will move heaven and earth to do so. There are many people that have done just that. Some folks are not tied to location and can relocate to pursue a relationship if it seems like the right thing to do. Life is short and we do not always get the chance to meet someone wonderful in our backyard. Sometimes it requires moving 3,000 miles away and starting over. That is what risk is all about and in matters of romance and commitment, risk is a given. So please do not lose hope that someone is out there for you. The wonderful thing about this community is, as you say, there are dreamy people here who have already taken a risk just by being here and letting us see a little bit of who they are. The numbers are just numbers. You have a lot more than numbers all around you. |
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I dedicate this poem to the Butches that are most definitely here to stay.(f)
I Wrote A Good Omelet
I wrote a good omelet...and ate a hot poem... after loving you Buttoned my car...and drove my coat home...in the rain... after loving you I goed on red...and stopped on green...floating somewhere in between... being here and being there... after loving you I rolled my bed...turned down my hair...slightly confused but...I don't care... Laid out my teeth...and gargled my gown...then I stood ...and laid me down... To sleep... after loving you Written by Nikki Giovanni |
...also in response to Angeltoes' post (sorry I didn't notice this in time to include it in my last reply):
http://www.butchfemmeplanet.com/foru...10&postcount=1 Props to Kobi for that post there. |
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I am referring to: "Maybe the lesbian population is larger than that, but it seems to me that most women are looking for someone to join them and their man in a threeway". I am figuring you didn't mean lesbians were looking to join a straight couple in a three-way? In regards to the scarcity of butches, I think that we need to get more creative in finding each other, since they don't generally knock on your door ( unless you invite them over). Butches will never be a dying breed and neither will femmes; we are the other half of each other in this yin/yang dynamic that our souls need! |
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Hmmm. I suppose you want a special touch pad configuration femme finding device for the kayak stimulator too? Ok it still tickles me that I misread kayak simulator as kayak stimulator. :jester: I am heading out into the 66 mph wind gusts. Figuring I should be blown to Boise by 11:15 am est. Please have the coffee ready....cream and sugar. ;) |
I'm kind of torn on this topic.
On one hand, I am overjoyed and proud that so many self-identified butches are speaking up and saying "I'm here! I'm me! and I'm proud!" This is fantastic, encouraging, and all kinds of wonderful for a femme like me. On the other hand, I'm super bummed because, while I see that there are butches around, I don't see any around me geographically and have yet to find someone who identifies as butch/masculine that is interested in dating me. Maybe there are just other intersections going on that I don't know about, like age, body type, religion, etc. It's quite possible I'm just not anyone's cup of tea around here. No matter the reason for my own searching, I'm glad the thread is here and there's so much discussion going on around it. Not being able to see those we are looking for often leads to the question "are they gone?". It makes sense we'd go looking in the most likely place, then: A forum with butches. So now where do we look in our daily lives? |
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For me, I didn't claim the identity of Butch until I was 40 years old and that's mostly because of the idea that I didn't want to be labeled, and therefore, stereotyped. It wasn't until I attended Butch Voices in 2010 where I learned about some of our history and finally felt like there are others out there whom I could relate to that I proudly embraced the Butch identity.
Where I am in the US (the Pacific Northwest), it seems as thought the younger generation would rather define themselves as Genderqueer these days. I wonder, though, if they knew more about our history whether they would feel the same as I and claim that identity as part of themselves. Growing up, I didn't have any Butch role models so finding them later in life helped me find that part of me. Does that make sense? So, what I'm trying to get at is, perhaps there are Butches out there who just haven't come to yet claim their identity. At least that's what I'd like to believe rather then the think about us dying away. |
I was pretty darn happy to see several baby butches at the new coffee shop in the library by my house. One is half owner with her father, she is maybe 24or so. I don't believe that Butch is dying, I just think that the younger gen does not use that term much anymore. Kinda like the new 'Steampunk' dressing of the 00's, is actually the old New Wave dressing of the 80's . Same thing, different word.
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There are many women in that community that I would identify as Butch, but the term Butch is not what they are using to describe themselves. I would love to do a poll on personal identities and then cross reference to see how many are involved in other communities and whether that influences their personal identity. I know I am a huge geek, you don't have to tell me. |
I think it's a geographical issue that some of us in more rural areas don't see femmes or butches out and about. I think it's more that there are larger communities that we choose to live in like Montrose in Houston, or other areas that are gay friendly possibly. I live an hour outside of Dallas in a small East Tx town that you could say HEE HAW VILLE. Population is less than 2,000. I"m the only lesbian in my town, I've never seen any others, butch or femme. Everyone around here is straight , trust me, I've asked around town. I'm all alone in HEE HAW VILLE and would love to find community here. I don't venture out to Dallas, tooo much traffic to deal with and I don't hang in bars or clubs. I'd rather hang out with folks at home and play card games, watch football together, boardgames, bbq, etc. Lots more fun to me to actually hang out and chat with folks..... than sit around and drink in a bar, get drunk and try to dance which is not my thing. I'm more of a introvert I guess. LOL
Are butches a dying breed....I don't think so....This Butch is VERY MUCH STILL AROUND and KICKING. |
What a dreadful thought, this thread is freaking me out.
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Don't freak out!!! There's a few of them at the Winn Dixie right now....:cherry: |
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~ femmes & butch's aren't going anywhere ~ it's not nice to fool Mother Nature ~ :))))
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