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It does not have to be a licensed person...they just take a 1 day seminar about rules and regulations. My friend gets 24 hours a week of help with feeding, dressing, bathing...they don't monitor how the hours are broken down, so someone could come in and clean, do laundry, cook a weeks worth of meals for the freezer, etc... IHSS is the agency, check your listing for the number in your area. Good luck! |
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My partner is permanently disabled due to type 2 diabetes, a foot deformity and torn ligaments in her lower legs from a work accident. She uses a cane, walker or wheelchair depending on the length of excursion. She gets SSD and her disability retirement pension. It was a huge adjustment for us especially her as we were both active... dancing fishing coffee nights running a dinner group running a brunch etc. we cut back.
I HAVE to have me time. Even if it's going to the store to get groceries or pharmacy.... it helps me recharge. It's otherwise challenging. The hardest part was learning how to dress her wounds in her feet. I'm not a nurse but she ran out of nurse visits and Medicare won't pay for any more. I'm squeamish around blood. Her feet are more stable now but her treatment caused a foot deformity that makes it painful to walk. I'm so glad to see this space is here. Anyone have any tips on devices that magnify syringe markings? Right now I draw her insulin everyday and I know it's important she can do it herself. |
my mom is having a bad day. I try to put it out of my mind, but its hard.
Having distractions is good. Honestly I cannot even believe she is still alive. |
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Well my mom says she is feeling a little better.
Honestly I cringe waiting to get that reply in the mornings. |
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My mom's birthday is next week. I cannot wait to spoil her.
She is doing great with her new knee. I just need to tidy up her yard a bit. Also, I will clean her house while I am there. |
i picked up groceries for mom yesterday she seemed in good spirits :)
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COPD and a guilt complex
it seems like most of us are looking after our mothers. .........
Mine told me yesterday she was not well and could not get out of bed the entire day. Said she had fever and couldn't breathe well.. but not bad enough to go to the hospital. I was so worried i didn't sleep all night. First thing this morning I texted her... there is always this sinking feeling waiting for her response. She did reply that she was feeling a little better. Great i thought. .. but again she says she is just not well. Well a little while later she sent at text to me, that was obviously for one of her posse buddies at the home.. "Yes, i texted you earlier,,, i am better, I'm going downstairs".... I said well thats great mom! Have a nice time with your friends.. She says " I am still sick i just think the fresh air will help me" She will NOT give me anything positive, ever. She wants me to think she is miserable and on death's door. WHY???? |
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My mom's neighbor is back saying that he will buy mom's house. I hope that he fallows through this time because I need to have mom here with me.
I have great hope that this deal will go through. :praying: |
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Mom is coming for the weekend and we are going to a party at our relatives' house. I said okay I will smoke some ribs. She said good but what are you cooking for Easter dinner?
Easter! I forgot all about it. Looks like I will spend the weekend cooking, grilling, and smoking food. :cowboy: |
Chad that's great that you have that relationship with your mom.
Since i moved away my mom really likes to lay a guilt trip on me, and she is laying it on real thick. Much of my family is coming here (Goddess help me, we are a rowdy bunch) and she isn't. i can't help that. She is going to try everything she can to ruin it for me, so unfortunately i have to limit my communication with her, which makes me sad. she knows i am so happy here. Each quick hello ends up with her dumping on me, and my feeling like total crap for not being there. This goes back so far, and its so deep. i cannot imagine doing this to my kids. |
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My situation is very stressful because of my work load and business travel. My mother and I get along okay for short periods of time but eventually get on each other's nerves. I am the only one left in my family so it is my responsibility to take care of her and help to enrich her life. I respect her and honor her because she is my mother. It is not easy but it is necessary |
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We went through role reversal when i was a kid. i moved out at 17 because of my parents. She finally left my monster of a father after he terrorized us since she met him. (WHY did she wait so long!, she could have saved us!) She was not much better anyway,.Well, she came to stay with me, and pretty much never left. To get her out of the house ( i had a family and she was always just *there* , just sitting on the couch.. ) i have bought a total of two properties and renovated a house for her. While i had friends and family helping me get the place fixed up for her, she would not come around. Then she never moved in it, and reunited with my father! That lasted about a week, and i could not let her back. Each time i have tried, she is not happy. She wants to be IN my house with me, and i just cant handle it. i cashed in a CD once and paid off her car, so she could afford rent somewhere, that did not work. She is overbearing and makes jabs constantly. i have had so many *talks* with her. When i meet someone she hates them right off the bat. The last time, in New Orleans i bought a house with an apartment in the back. It took me 3 months to get her to stay in the apartment, because she wanted to be IN my house that was 3 feet away. She thinks i should be fine with this. NOW She keeps saying i kicked her out. Threw her out. At one point she stayed with my sister for a little while. She stayed between us both. After THREE years my sister asked her to move her things out. My mom says she threw her out. i have also taken her on family vacations to Disneyworld several times, the mountains, you name it. i loved having my mom close, but it came at a price. i just cant pay it anymore. Each time i went to go off with my friends, she told me off right before i left. My life was about how miserable my mom was. i had enough. i found an assisted living facility close by, and thats where she went. She loves it there although she would never admit it to me. i moved across the country again, and when i talk to her i tell her about how happy i am, her only response is *when can i come out there with you* Its a very very tough relationship. i have two parents, yet i have no parents. just once i would like to be able to *go home to my momma* but it has never ever been the case, and i am not going to keep giving up my life hoping she may have one moment of happiness. Its not going to happen. |
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Gosh please accept my apology for my rant. My mom is giving me a really hard time right now, and, i think when i read about you & your mom having your *normal* plans etc. it totally triggered me. It happens now and then. This is not how its supposed to be. i definitely did not mean to go on like that ! Whew that was quite a spew of emotion. i am glad this space is here, believe me, i love my mom. i remind myself that she is doing the best she can. I am doing the best i can. its an extremely difficult relationship to manage (which i why i am the only one left to handle her) and i don't feel i have done a good job. Totally my stuff. This adulting sure is a LOT of work! |
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I am grateful for this thread too. We can all help each other. We are not alone and that feels good. Chad |
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i think for some parents its not a big deal, they respect your privacy. My mom has no boundaries. If i could do it again........i don't even know. |
Well my mom hasn't spoken to me since Easter.
She said she was going to stay home all day and cry. My aunt and my sister took her out for the day and she had a good time. But she still is punishing me. i am going to try again to reach out to her. |
thank you to the person who sent me the message about not contacting my mom. i REALLY appreciate the insight.
Well she contacted me this morning. She sent me a photo of some newsletter she got from the facility where she lives. It was something crazy about HUD being discontinued and her losing her housing benefits. and her comment was "i am going to be living under a bridge" i responded that i am sorry but thats not going to happen. Nothing i could do to make her stop going off.. so i just left the conversation. This is weighing on me big time. |
Thanks to all the folks who sent me messages. i know i am not alone and it sure feels good.
i feel like the worst daughter ever.. she's my MOM i am told. i know who she is. She has never acted like one. Yes (thank you) i feel like an orphan. i haven't had *parents* in forever. i don't know if my father is dead or alive, but if he is dead, i won't shed a tear. |
well, i tried to fix things by calling my mom on FaceTime this morning. i started off real positive and cheerful. That did not last long.
She became hysterically angry at me. She was crying and saying some pretty ugly things. i definitely have lost my good daughter card. i also realized yesterday, that when things with my mom get flared up, i slide into old self destructive patterns. its a cycle. |
I know this is a derail but I must say this: with all kindness and respect, people that do not have severely toxic parents do not understand.
I know each situation is different but all abusive and toxic parents are the same in the way that they destroy your soul. I have had to deal with a seriously dysfunctional and damaging mother (and father, too) for my whole life. People have said to me: "But she is your mother". Yes, she is. Very sadly, she is. They have said: "You are going to feel bad when she dies if you don't even try". Yes and I have felt badly my entire life. My last little, tiny kernel of hope for a real, loving mother; will die with her. I spent 5 years in therapy, starting at age 21, because I did not want to abuse/hurt/harm my own children if I did not learn how to be different than my mother. I would sit in therapy and cry my heart out, asking repeatedly, "But why doesn't she love me?" My therapist, like a broken record, would say, "Because she can't". It took me the whole 5 years to get to the point of acceptance of this simple fact and to believe that I would be a different mother with my children than the one I was born to. And I was. I tried multiple times to connect with her (and my father) over the years, but either her damaging criticism of me or the repeated litany of all of the grudges she carried and never let go, would be repeated, no matter what I tried to talk about or how I attempted to get the conversation on a positive track: "You never practiced the piano. We got you lessons and you just wouldn't do it. The boys play beautifully now because they practiced." This was always said to guests when they would walk in the house: "They all had lessons but only the boys stuck with it. Anya quit". I would always feel ashamed and embarrassed as though a I had done something terribly wrong. "Your grades could have been much better , you do have a brain, you just never used it. Note- I got C's, D's and F's in high school due to being so beaten down mentally and physically. In college-I had an almost a straight A average. I got an award in nursing school for being the best student- what did mom and dad say: "See, we knew you could do it. We just never understood why you never even tried". The last time I was at my parents, probably 6 years ago, before dad broke his hip and they moved into assisted living; my father gave me all of my report cards from second grade through 12th. They also had an IQ test I don't recall ever taking. Their point? To show me how poorly I did in school and to show me how smart I was so they could again dive into my underachievement history. To what end? To what purpose? My perspective on that is that by making me the focus of all of their anger (frequently at each other) they never had to think about themselves as long as I was the punching bag (literally and metaphorically). Somehow, the worse I felt, the more self-righteous they felt. They would feel better when I felt worse. I gathered everything up that day, said I have to go now and walked out. After that, they stopped talking to me again and I said: enough. I honor all of you for being good sons, daughters, spouses, lovers and caring for parents and loved ones the way that you do. I read this thread even though it makes me sad. I wish that I had parents (now just my mom. Dad died last August. I was not allowed to go to the funeral) that I could help. It just is not the way that it is. I want to close by saying that my youngest daughter told me yesterday that she and her boyfriend just got approved for a house in LA. She said to me: "Mom it has a downstairs apartment. We got it so that when you get to where you need help, you can come live with us". I still cry with happiness to even write it. Some parents are so toxic, it is best to avoid them like the plague that they are. Of course, frequently it was not my healthy choice to avoid them. My coming out in 1978 earned me a 15- year no-talking ban. It actually was the beginning of putting together the crumbs of insight that I had learned in therapy. Those 15 years were a blessing, in retrospect. |
I totally hear both Dee and Anya. :rrose:
I agree with Dee that it's a cycle. I agree with Anya's therapists' assessment that her mother couldn't understand because she can't /couldn't. And, for me, because the two scenarios above which are persistent and present in both Dee and Anya's situational experiences, is exactly the reason why I *had* to break ties with my family, years ago. I went 10 years enforcing a no contact code between myself and my parents and siblings because of the cyclic nature of toxic relational ties between members of my family. I too have spent lots of time in therapy, during my ten year break from my family: Only to discover that for my own sanity, and safety and peace of mind, that the toxic controlling behaviors of my parents and siblings was something I did *not* have to be a participant in. The behaviors of my parents and siblings are still present in their lives, still to this day. It's why I literally moved myself physically away from where I grew up. I can visit with my mother by phone....but it's not peachy, all the time. When it gets to be too much work for me to navigate between any of us, I distance myself from them. It's about the only "signal" they cognizantly understand (if ever), due to the ten years I enforced a zero contact situation between myself and them. I'm actually worried that my mother is perilously close to having a massive stroke, which would upend the cozy, unhealthy reliance my siblings enjoy with my mother. Even lately, when I encourage my mother with steps she could take to look out for herself, rather than my remaining siblings, it's like she can't hear me or is so deeply entangled in the vicious cycle that it scares her to take steps to end her role in my family's unhealthy scenarios. Anyway.... I just wanted to share about my own family dilemmas because it's imperative that I remain vigilant in safe guarding myself when engaging with members of my family. And too, to express thar my heart goes out to Anya and Dee and anyone else who is dealing with ongoing family issues. |
Hey girl_dee
I've been reading your posts and just want you to know I hear what you are saying. The emotional wear and tear of this is exhausting, especially over time. I don't know how long you have been at it but I'm only two years on, also long distance for self preservation, though for different reasons. My mother has fairly early dementia, zero short term memory, and it's tough in very weird ways. We got along fine when I was in my twenties, then she disappeared for 25+ years (my father didn't like us talking) and then out of the blue my father had a massive stroke and since then she has needed everything. She won't do anything to help herself except complain. Daily. The nurse I have hired for her and to manage the caregivers told me that he thinks she has "weaponized passivity" down to a science. I chronicled the whole mess for the first year in this thread but since then I've realized that it.just.won't.stop. Until she dies. I never had kids or siblings so I never had to develop the inexhaustible well of patience required to do this. All that to say I understand the dread for the daily call, the self harming cycles, the rollercoaster of "what now?", and the just plain old have to keep doing this. I am glad you are posting, it's nice (?) to hear how you are dealing with things, it's easy to get isolated. |
Self-care - Self-Protection = Self-Trust and Self-Love
Anya, Katzchen, girl_dee...as you know
I don't usually share my personal story, but I feel compelled to share with you a small part of my early story, and a bit of my now life. I too am a survivor of severe emotional, physical abuse at the hands of a step-mother. Somehow I found the strength at 6yo to show one of my paternal aunts my legs, arms, and back...my aunt took me out of that place that very day. My paternal aunt was what Alice Miller calls an "enlightened witness", that is she protected me without question, and loved me until her death in 2004. She loved classical music and played it always at home. Classical music = love for me. More cycles came in my life until I left home at 16 and never returned. "No Contact" was imperative for my well-being and until this day I count as my family only my sisters, brothers, nieces, nephews and their children. My paternal aunt died awhile ago as I've mentioned but I know I'll see her again. I want the ten commandments to begin with Honor thy Children. Today, and for the last 3 decades one of my callings has been as psychotherapist and yes, I "walk" with people through the pain and darkness of their early, and not so early abuse by personality disordered parents, families, partners, and friends. This is not a "plug" for me, but an example of how I pass on my own healing. My own therapy/healing from abuse has been long, and has continued throughout years in practice. Anya, when you said and I quote, "I spent 5 years in therapy, starting at age 21, because I did not want to abuse/hurt/harm my own children if I did not learn how to be different than my mother.", it brought tears of joy to my heart, kudos for being a good mother, a safe and loving mother. Katzchen, kudos to you as well for doing the hard work it takes to heal and having the strength of going no contact with your family. girl_dee, I've learned to honor only those that honor me no matter who they are...there are many survivors on this site and others who have healed from abuse from parental figures. You are not alone, and you are not crazy, or bad. The characteristics that I have found in the people I work with and myself are inner strength, courage, and resilience off the charts. Without these characteristics we wouldn't still be here, and another factor that is a spiritual one. I'll stop here and say that Self-care - Self-protection = Self-Trust and Self-Love. with much respect, and fondly, Greco |
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how about when you see other mothers and daughters having a normal relationship?
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girl_dee, that is painful beyond words, yes.
In healing from abuse from a maternal/paternal figure I will share with you that seeing loving parents would trigger deep grieving for me. Therapy with a therapist who had healed, and was knowledgeable was what I did to feel this grieving and heal. And I found in this process that I have my ideal mother, and ideal father within myself. And that I could love myself the way I wanted my mother and father to love me. It takes take time, find a caring, knowledgeable therapist and be tender, gentle with yourself. fondly, Greco Quote:
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I had to compartmentalize very well when I was younger between my relationship with my mother and my relationship with my abuser. Maybe too well. It's a light switch for me. You won't respect me and my boundaries? You push me repeatedly? Fine. I'm done. I don't expect anyone else to do that but it's how I've had to be. I've had to cut people out or they would drag me down into their misery quicksand. It was survival. Quote:
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i met with my fam today to talk about my mom.
Someone suggested that i have a talk with her, to let her know that if every single communication is her dumping on me and coming at me with daggers, i will have to stop communicating That probably should have happened long ago rather than me trying to *fix* her every single time, which never works and results in some really dark stuff for me. |
a month later and my mom has decided to move from the living facility where she is to go near her sister, 50 miles away, who lives in the middle of nowhere. There are no hospitals near and she won't know where anything is. She has told her sister that we have all just left her. So she needs to be *saved*. i know my aunt knows better, but whatever. i know this is the biggest mistake ever, and i am struggling to check out. How do you check out when its your mother???? |
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What is "it"? In a nutshell, I try to use the Serenity Prayer when it comes to my mother and until my dad died last August, with him, too. I can not make my mother be different. I do not have the power to make her a kind and loving person. I can not get her to be happy that she has me for a daughter. She is 89 now so there won't be some miracle intervention happening for her. My mom is who she is and who she will always be. My father was the same. Then, he died. The difference is that I have come to a place of acceptance with both of them. It still makes me sad. I wish that things had been different for all of us. I have always felt like an orphan and when I was a kid, I did used to pray that something would happen to them so I could be adopted by a loving family like some of my friends had. It didn't and we get the parents that we get. You can't change your mom. You know in your heart that you have done the very best that you can. You truly have to believe that there is not one more magic thing that you could try. If you don't really believe it, you will feel guilt and feel torn that somehow this or other choices that she makes, are your fault. Guilt is not productive and it can eat you up. I have read your posts about your mom. You know that you can't change her. We really do not have power over anyone else's bad decisions or choices. Even when we love them. (((Femme hug))) |
Anya (((( thank you ))))))
at this point, i don't want to change her. i just want the power to be in a place where i don't feel hurt anymore. My sister who has NEVER had to deal with my mom, has to now. i am not one bit sorry that i am not there. She is going to pack up my mom, and deal with the red tape of HUD, the movers, the utilities, the bank, the doctors, the everything. She texted me all day yesterday and said "this is all your fault for moving away" ... then added a "lol" Like mother like daughter. i just don't want to have anything to do with this anymore. AND i am going on a kinky weekend trip, and my mother will be here visiting and staying with me, when i get back. :praying: |
my mom is going home after her 4 days with me. it is so hard as this is my sacred space and her negative energy is in my space.
Yesterday, her last day, she was completely miserable and difficult. Guilt trip on overload. This is how she wants to spend the little time we have together. She reminded me at least 4.5 million times that i moved and left her. How no one cares about her. She is moving in a week and can't pay the movers. She is almost 80 and still chasing contentment. Maybe its because i came home to her being in my sacred space after 5 days of kink and fun and feel more powerful... i cannot let her ruin my mood. Maybe its because i am finally realizing that she is just going to be miserable no matter what i do, but she just isn't getting to me. At least i don't think so. okay maybe a little. One more hour and i drop her off with the family to take her home. SO bittersweet, |
First thank you for all of the notes and support. i appreciate it. i appreciate this space as well.
Yesterday my mom moved. Turns out she isn't so helpless after all. She is now living in the middle of no where but close to her sister. i hope this works out, because i can't bail her out this time. She will be great during the honeymoon period. This is her pattern. For 50 years she moves every couple of years. Never happy with where she is. She is REALLY angry with me. She said she just gave up on me "wanting her to be close to me". She really expected me to move her out here with me. She is SO bitter. She doesn't want to hear how happy i am, she just resents it. We had a talk in the car last weekend. She feels i have done something TO her by living my own life. i noticed that during our talk, everything came back to her being a victim somehow, because everyone is living their lives. i was not even able to tell her what a great time i had in California, it just makes her more angry. i am so frustrated! Now my aunt is "her person". The one who is doing for her, catering to her, is her only "one' and the rest of us are traitors. My mother has always had someone close to her to spoil her, then when it wears off she moves on and they are become the devil. i do believe she has run out of options, and this is all she can get. She has hated this sister of hers forever, now she is her best friend. i gave her some money for the move. Its the only thing i could think of to do. i think its just a reflex to try to get her approval somehow. Her words cut yesterday, but i am getting numb to it, i think.My reaction wasn't as bad as it has been. i just want to be able to love her without resentment and anger. i don't remember what she is like without all of that. |
Ms Dee
Let by start by saying thank you for this thread. I responded when you first posted and prayed that it would be years before it ever fell to me to be a caregiver. It was but not long enough. I have always been afraid that it would be my father I would have to care for and it turns out it is my mother. I came home when she got sick and thought I would be here a week or two that is now going on 2.5 months. My job lets me work from home however I am being told I am not doing my job. When I ask what am I not doing I am told you are not here. :| I see this as a quilt trip from work because now my coworkers r atully having to do their jobs. I found a job in Atlanta, found an apartment and moved in. The day before I was suppose to start my mom had a break down and I postponed starting for a week. The night before I was to start I was leaving her house to go to my apartment and I thought I was going to have to take her to the hospital. It was bad. I took her to my apartment. We stayed there 2 nights and she couldn't handle it. So I commute 1.5 to 2 hours one way. I work the job from Dallas when I get home at night and on weekends. I am stressed to the max. I ask for time for myself and she acts like a 2 yr old. She refuses to let my brothers stay here unless I am here. I have found out why and I agree. I know I need time for me and have asked for it. NOw getting my brothers, and or mother to comply is the issue. My brothers will be here for the 4th of July next weekend and I am hoping to have some time to myself. I will update after the weekend. I am afraid that as much time as my mom requires will ruin my relationship. My gf understands what I am going thru she went thru it with her mom. I just wonder how it can survive when we cant have any alone time. She lets us stay here but every waking moment all 3 of us are together. By time its bed time we are so sleepy all we can do is sleep. How do you tell your parent NO, how do you get them to hear you need time also and not just time to and from work? I want to thank everyone for allowing me the space to say what I need to say and for any and all suggestions |
Teddybear...
I was hoping to hear about how things are going. It seems we have the same.mom. After this round i have really checked out. I just cant keep putting myself out there. I hope you can do the same. Its so painful but allowing anyone to hurt you like this is just not acceptable. |
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