i agree and i woke up wondering how all/any women (the ones here posting now) side-stepped the female-indoctrination in our society.

*and i had pretty "liberal" parents/was raised in southern california. i knew my 'place' and what was expected of me as *female*. also, i think people may *know* now the difference but it's one thing to learn some theory (as an adult), quite another thing to have experienced a pretty average childhood where you watched some tv, attended school (not home-schooled), went to a few friends' houses, had some religion or not--the media (even if you never watched TV) exposes you to society's expectations.

I know what you are talking about here, SuperFemme.

I was trying to explain to a friend who is a lesbian about my new boyfriend (a few years back) and what trans meant.

She exclaimed, "What? You mean they are a SHIM?!"

It was kinda devastating...and, even after I explained to her how that word is a slur, she never really apologized or tried to get it.

We don't talk anymore.

I would agree that the sacred mother as practiced by the God of Abraham monotheists is very harmful to girls and women. You must remember the sacred mother is a bastardization of the Goddess. The patriarchy's religion, in order to destroy the matriarchy's religion, stole my Sacred Mother and turned Her into a tool of the patriarchy.......mary, mother of jesus....

Human beings of any culture have every right and should vehemently stop the practice of mutilating girl's genitalia. Actually we have an OBLIGATION to stop this.

We also have an OBLIGATION to stop the sexual exploitation of children.....especially girls. The media in Western culture bears the greatest responsibility and obligation to do this.
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as to breeder........

I have always used it to denote those with children....that includes straight folk and queer folk. Sometimes it certainly has a 'dig' kind of quality to it. Sometimes it's just shorthand for those whose lives do revolve around children.

There is a huge difference between those of us whose lives do not revolve around children and those of us whose lives revolve around children.

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I do hear what is being said about slinging that word in a hateful way towards someone else. It is entirely inappropriate.

I don't think it's a good thing to sling any word at any human being with hate/meanness/derision behind that word.

I do have say as one who believes in 'question authority', this idea that I need to go read a thread about unacceptable words, so I know how to 'properly speak my mind' smacks of all kinds of censorship.

The numbers of words in any language that can be said with harm are unimaginable. We must be careful how we censor language. Censoring language can be a very slippery slope when it comes to offensive.

Hell my shrink thought is was offensive for me to call myself crazy...........laughin........she asked me not to do that because it offended her............laughin....you can just imagine how that conversation ended.

well some people are going to get it and some people aren't.

Toughy, nobody told anybody to go read a thread about unacceptable words, so you know how to 'properly speak your mind'.

What I did do was start a thread about hurtful language.

In the same vein of do unto others as you would do unto yourself....I am saying that the term breeders hurts me. I am not telling you not to use that word. I am not censoring it. I am telling you why it hurts me.

The choice to use it is yours.

My choice to address you as "She" is not censorship. It is mutual respect. Because that is how I roll, and that is how what you asked.

[QUOTE=Toughy;128860]I would agree that the sacred mother as practiced by the God of Abraham monotheists is very harmful to girls and women. You must remember the sacred mother is a bastardization of the Goddess. The patriarchy's religion, in order to destroy the matriarchy's religion, stole my Sacred Mother and turned Her into a tool of the patriarchy.......mary, mother of jesus....


Mary Mother Of Jesus is a very real and beautiful *Goddess* who has appeared to many many witnesses throughout time. She has performed many documented mind-blowing miracles, and is also known as The Holy Mother, The Queen of Peace, Queen Of Heaven, etc.

Just to be clear, "breeding" and one's life revolving around children are hardly synonymous. In fact, I think you just utilized a more repugnant use for the term.

In context, you equate the ability to get pregnant with actual parenting, which
1.) invalidates the parenting of non-birth children.
2.) makes the assumption that getting pregnant means choosing also to actively parent.

Neither is logical and I want to think that none of this is what you actually meant. Such is the way of language.

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Originally Posted by popcorninthesofa Mary Mother Of Jesus is a very real and beautiful *Goddess* who has appeared to thousands of witnesses throughout time as The Holy Mother, and The Queen of Peace.

Wow. Really?

This is just me ~ but coming from many years as an educator, I believe people call other people names in an attempt to make the recipients feel "less than", because the name~caller feels less than.....and in order to make themselves feel elevated somehow, or they're ignorant and/or just flat-out scared, they use the slurs....and this is true for any group of people, I feel.

There's a lot of insecurity out there.

And maybe ~ in regards to this particular thread ~ just MAYbe there is some deep-down desire to have a child. Just a SWAG there....

Just my 2 cents....

I'm using your post, Toughy, because it was the latest one about this subject. It's interesting to me that we stand united (myself included) about genital mutilation in girls, but we don't seem to be as horrified by foreskin removal in boy infants?

I vote genital mutilation thread because I would LOVE to see a discussion on this.

They don't. I've asked.:blink:

I agree. This isn't the place for this convo.

I wonder if I invoke Linus, if he will do his magic and create a new thread?

Goof tells me we have to watch "Monk" now. :glasses:

Female Genital Mutilation and Male Circumsion is not analogous--both in intent, cultural justifications, the physical procedure or the consequences. I am not proposing that male circumcision is without its issues or is immune from criticism. I just don't believe that the two procedures can be fairly compared.

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FGM involves the cutting off of entire portions of the female anatomy. For boys, the removal of the foreskin is more about removing an “extra” piece of skin than removing a center of pleasure. Removing the clitoris, which occurs in many FGM rituals, is done to help ensure that girls do not derive any pleasure from their sexuality, thus encouraging them to remain pure. The male equivalent of FGM would be the removal of the tip of the penis up to and including the removal of the penis and scrotum.

ETA: I am not cool with the description of the *extra piece of skin" portion of the description; however, a clitoridectomy (and other parts that can be cut during FGM--the labia--as well as sewn up--vagina) just does not equate to the act of removing the foreskin of males.

i could attest to the same being true for un-circumcised females. i have the carpal tunnel syndrome to prove it.

My comment wasn't to compare the two as a hierarchy. Obviously, the female version is worse. Both are forms of mutilations, though. If we get another thread going, I hope you'll come in and continue this discussion.

Genital Mutilation Thread here! :)