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Ravenouss 08-29-2012 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 642449)


Tokenism comes to mind.


I find it vey offensive that when people of color attain a stage in life it is considered "tokenism," or "affirmative action," whether by the right or the left.

She is an incredibly accomplished woman and one might disagree with her politics, but darn it, she earned that spot on that podium!

Ravenouss 08-29-2012 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stephfromMIT (Post 642402)
Surprised a black, pro-choice, woman was allowed in the building, much less the podium!

This, however, is funny --

stephfromMIT 08-29-2012 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenouss (Post 642493)
This, however, is funny --

Why is it funny? Is me saying it offensive IYO?

Ravenouss 08-29-2012 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stephfromMIT (Post 642520)
Why is it funny? Is me saying it offensive IYO?

No, I sincerely thought it was a good non offensive joke!
Cheers!

Corkey 08-29-2012 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenouss (Post 642490)
I find it vey offensive that when people of color attain a stage in life it is considered "tokenism," or "affirmative action," whether by the right or the left.

She is an incredibly accomplished woman and one might disagree with her politics, but darn it, she earned that spot on that podium!

She earned her spot in history, or herstory which ever way you prefer, but she is being used by men who could care less about her or those who have the same melanin in their skin as she. It puts it in the area of tokenism.

Ravenouss 08-29-2012 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 642534)
She earned her spot in history, or herstory which ever way you prefer, but she is being used by men who could care less about her or those who have the same melanin in their skin as she. It puts it in the area of tokenism.

Corkey,
For me, to think of Condi Rice as someone that is being "used," would require that I believe her to be "naive." That is certainly the last qualifier that comes to mind when thinking of her.
Cheers

Corkey 08-29-2012 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenouss (Post 642547)
Corkey,
For me, to think of Condi Rice as someone that is being "used," would require that I believe her to be "naive." That is certainly the last qualifier that comes to mind when thinking of her.
Cheers

No, she absolutely know she's being used, that is what is so icky about it.

Ravenouss 08-29-2012 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 642549)
No, she absolutely know she's being used, that is what is so icky about it.

I wouldn't know that since I'm not inside her head, but who knows? You could be right!

I certainly have friends who think they can make a difference staying in places where they can make a difference than in a place where they are taken for granted.

Maybe I'm being influenced by Chris Matthew, whom I watched all night and despite him being a super liberal, he is still now drooling over her speech --- which by the way, was an electrifying one, particularly when compared with the dull, unspiring ones I heard tonight.

Kobi 08-29-2012 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravenouss (Post 642490)
I find it vey offensive that when people of color attain a stage in life it is considered "tokenism," or "affirmative action," whether by the right or the left.

She is an incredibly accomplished woman and one might disagree with her politics, but darn it, she earned that spot on that podium!


Im thinking you misunderstood my post. I find "tokenism" to be very offensive as well. Ms Rice is an accomplished woman, who happens to be a POC, and also pro choice. The GOP is anti women, anti choice, and anti POC ( see AJ's previous post). I was speaking to the irony involved, not the person.

firegal 08-29-2012 10:27 PM

...
 
Did you all hear ?...Ann romney say tonite her and Mitty were "a real marriage"

Corkey 08-29-2012 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenouss (Post 642557)
I wouldn't know that since I'm not inside her head, but who knows? You could be right!

I certainly have friends who think they can make a difference staying in places where they can make a difference than in a place where they are taken for granted.

Maybe I'm being influenced by Chris Matthew, whom I watched all night and despite him being a super liberal, he is still now drooling over her speech --- which by the way, was an electrifying one, particularly when compared with the dull, unspiring ones I heard tonight.

I have no reason to watch the grandiose make stupid statements on behalf of women. The party will be just fine without my watching them spew their pompousness on the rest of the nation. Chris isn't my favorite quasi liberal, so his sputtering over her speech is neither here nor there.
They do not inspire, but are quick to find fault where none exists.

Ravenouss 08-29-2012 10:33 PM

Thank you, Kobi.
 
Thanks for taking the time to clarify your point -- sorry if I sounded caustic.
Cheers

Ravenouss 08-29-2012 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 642564)
I have no reason to watch the grandiose make stupid statements on behalf of women. The party will be just fine without my watching them spew their pompousness on the rest of the nation. Chris isn't my favorite quasi liberal, so his sputtering over her speech is neither here nor there.
They do not inspire, but are quick to find fault where none exists.

I haven't had a TV for long... so I don't know who is out there. A friend had told me to watch Chris and Rachel on CSNBC (maybe she's too much of middle of the road if she thought Chis, a quasi-liberal, was a radical leftist commentator! lol

Ravenouss 08-29-2012 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by firegal (Post 642562)
Did you all hear ?...Ann romney say tonite her and Mitty were "a real marriage"

Maybe she was clarifying that she was the "real" wife instead of the other 18 he could have? lol

I take my real marriage over hers any day...

Corkey 08-29-2012 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenouss (Post 642568)
I haven't had a TV for long... so I don't know who is out there. A friend had told me to watch Chris and Rachel on CSNBC (maybe she's too much of middle of the road if she thought Chis, a quasi-liberal, was a radical leftist commentator! lol

Yea Rachel is much more even and balanced than Chris, but I do think Lawrence describes himself as a socialist.
Sometimes I want to smack the crap outta Chris but I know his heart is in the right place, even if his mouth engages before his brain.

homoe 08-30-2012 06:25 PM

One good thing about Paul Ryan...he's keeping fact checkers busy and employed:hangloose:

Corkey 08-30-2012 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by homoe (Post 643176)
One good thing about Paul Ryan...he's keeping fact checkers busy and employed:hangloose:

Sure wish he'd use them himself.

Kobi 08-30-2012 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by homoe (Post 643176)
One good thing about Paul Ryan...he's keeping fact checkers busy and employed:hangloose:


Does this mean he is making stuff up as he goes along?

Kobi 08-30-2012 07:12 PM

'Freedom is Fabulous’: Two Republican gay groups make waves in Tampa
 

TAMPA--An older gentleman in a sparkling cowboy suit and matching hat made out of sequins gazed at a pair of buff male go-go dancers wearing tight jeans and skimpy tank tops that read "Freedom Is Fabulous." That was the scene at a local gay bar called "The Honeypot" on Tuesday night. More than 800 Republican delegates along with members of the local Tampa gay community and reporters clustered to listen to the colorful conservative gay group GOProud make the case for electing Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.

GOProud often needles the older, more established gay conservative group, The Log Cabin Republicans, by emphasizing that GOProud is the "only" gay group to have endorsed Mitt Romney. The group hints that Log Cabin is the stodgy uncle figure in the very small world of gay conservative groups.


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/f...-election.html

Metro 08-30-2012 09:07 PM

Watching TV...
 
....I think my eyes just rolled right out of my head...

http://www.free-emoticons.co.uk/emot...olleye0008.gif

Semantics 08-30-2012 09:10 PM

Is anyone watching the RNC?

I'll never be able to watch The Outlaw Josey Wales again.

American exceptionalism- it's what's for dinner. :|

The_Lady_Snow 08-30-2012 09:12 PM

Right?!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Semantics (Post 643353)
Is anyone watching the RNC?

I'll never be able to watch The Outlaw Josey Wales again.

American exceptionalism- it's what's for dinner. :|



"Gran Torino" has now become a web of lies and deceit!

homoe 08-31-2012 08:28 PM

While there is no doubt about it, Clint is a marvel when it comes to acting and directing movies, comedy and public speaking tho, not so much!

Soon 08-31-2012 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Semantics (Post 643353)
Is anyone watching the RNC?

I'll never be able to watch The Outlaw Josey Wales again.

American exceptionalism- it's what's for dinner. :|

I cannot bear to watch it. I get anxiety just seeing the listing on the screen when going through the channel guide. :blink:

Soon 08-31-2012 09:43 PM

I know about the Eastwood/empty chair thingie b/c of Stewart and Colbert
 
from Gawker:
But by far the most amusing response to Eastwood's off-rocker one-man-show was from the President himself, who couldn't help but join in on the mirth-making with the following tweet:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17xn...g/original.jpg

Soon 09-01-2012 08:02 PM

Refuting the Lies--NYT
 
Facts Take a Beating in Acceptance Speeches

LeftWriteFemme 09-05-2012 08:06 AM

Country's 'Most Powerful Lesbian' Delivers Attack on Romney During DNC




http://www.advocate.com/politics/ele...-attack-romney

Metro 09-05-2012 08:10 PM

Watching TV...
 
.... hopeful and eyes looking F O R W A R D ! ! !

Sparkle 09-05-2012 08:22 PM

Alright Sandra Fluke!

Corkey 09-05-2012 09:37 PM

Math for Dummies. Right on Clinton!

Greyson 09-05-2012 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 648103)
Math for Dummies. Right on Clinton!

Yes, that was my favorite line tonight, "It's Arithmetic."

Martina 09-05-2012 09:46 PM

I was in the car and found myself nodding like a bobblehead to Clinton's speech.

princessbelle 09-05-2012 09:48 PM

Wasn't that just wonderful? They say President Clinton went 20 minutes over his prepared time line. We here in this house, were hanging on every word. He captivated the audience, it was apparent. What a wonderful speaker because he made sense, logic and seemed so candid. Taking time to really explain so many important points of this election.

Way to go!!! This is the best DNC ever!!!!!!

Toughy 09-05-2012 10:51 PM

I love me some Bill. I would vote for him again if he could run......

Something I noticed.....the Republicans did not ever really talk about their platform.......mmmm.....maybe because Romney doesn't even know it exists or what is in it.......

Both nights of the Democratic convention have been about their platform and what is in it. And about the "american dream'......I might puke if I hear that phrase again....but it is a great cliche when it's about (as Bill said) shared properity and shared responsibility. We are all in it together, not winner takes all.

The shock of the night for me was Christina Saralegui appearing....talk about your well known Telemundo/Univision star and a great counter to the Republicans always getting the Cuban vote......This convention has had a HUGE push at Latino/a voters and women.

I heard some pundit say this Convention was less than 50% white men for the first time ever......

BullDog 09-05-2012 10:52 PM

It's the Arithmetic, stupid.

The Republicans have cut taxes for the wealthy and raised defense spending since Reagan, which of course leads to big deficits. It truly is basic math. Why anyone thinks Republicans are better on economic issues astounds me. We have over 30 years of evidence that proves otherwise.

Clinton's speech was awesome, just exactly what Obama needed. No one in history can lay out policy like Clinton. He rebutted the Republicans on every issue and made the case that the economy is headed in the right direction under Obama.

Obama needs to have Clinton, Michelle Obama, Joe Biden, Julian Castro (sitting next to the First Lady tonight I noticed) and Deval Patrick out campaigning in the swing states after the convention.

I can't wait for the debates. I think Biden will take Ryan to school and Romney will just look stiff and awkward with no answers against Obama.

Martina 09-05-2012 11:07 PM

Watching the roll call just cause I like to see the process work. Even though it's canned and all, I do enjoy it. I was annoyed to see Ashley Judd though. I mean it's an illusion on my part that politicians aren't professional entertainers, but can we just PRETEND for a minute.

Metro 09-06-2012 08:07 PM

A Call to Vote for...
 
...."a future where NO ONE is forced to live in the shadow of intolerance."

—Joe Biden

Novelafemme 09-06-2012 08:10 PM

I can barely keep my eyeballs open, but I can't go to sleep without hearing President Obama's speech.

P.S. I may or may not have a big fat crush on First Lady Michelle.

Greyson 09-06-2012 09:36 PM

Honestly, I believe this is the most important presidential election in my lifetime. I know I am preaching to the choir here. Now is the time to make sure each and everyone of us votes and get our friends and family registared and to vote.

BullDog 09-06-2012 10:48 PM

I think President Obama (with great help from Clinton, Kerry and Biden) reminded everyone he is the President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief, and that is not a liability but a strength. He was able to paint his opponents as inexperienced and having no clear plans of their own of how to move forward. I think that was crucial.

I am really looking forward to the debates because I think Obama and Biden can shred them. I don't know if all of that will win the election for Obama and Biden, but it will be very interesting to watch.

The stakes really are very high, and I don't understand how anyone could be undecided at this point with just stark differences between the two candidates and parties.


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