I was simply offering anothers opinion and point of view. I am not scared of Muslims. And thank you, as I see who I am dealing with as well.

Do you really think that the Center that is being built in New York is a a place where people are being recruited to fight and kill???


Really?

These points of view are spreading hate and lies about a people. It's blatantly obvious ffs it's a COMMUNITY CENTER not a military camp.

I don't believe for one second that you were playing Devil's Advocate.

I find it "gross" Lady Snow that you and some others have assumed from my postings on this thread as well as an article I shared not wrote myself is a
reflexion of what I am all about and what I believe. I may not be as popular as you are on this site but I have the same rights as a community member that you do. So assume away. I have not put words in your mouth or assumed or criticized you as you have me in this thread.

FeminineAllure,

I think that when a member posts an article--especially on such a contentious issue--that others may presume that the poster may concur with some of their statements? Also, when the link is provided without any statement of whether you agree or disagree--people will presume you abide by that article or at least find things interesting that you wish to share with the forum.

I post links/articles that reflect my ideology and so it isn't surprising that some may believe your opinions are reflected in the article you chose to post.

Are you saying that "my popularity" is keeping your from posting your thoughts and ideals about the Community Center?

:|

I am going to ask again...


Do you really think that the Center that is being built in New York is a a place where people are being recruited to fight and kill???


Really?



You should view this cause it's a good laugh and well ridiculous as the article you posted

It's NOT a MOSQUE! Do you subscribe to this guys viewpoint? I'm asking because I am genuinely interested.

Again, the Islamic Community Center is not a Mosque. Statistics from a not yet published study by a group with questionable ethics isn't fact. It is Islamophobia.

What is your opinion? You seem to be feeling attacked, but you are not really being clear on what it is you are saying.

"And no, I do not think IMO that a Proposed Mosque Near Ground Zero is appropriate. And I try not to be a hypocrite and live my life like a Christian."

The above in bold is a quote by you. I think that negates people assuming what your beliefs are. You've stated your opinion and then followed it up with a blog that concurs with you.

Of course you have a right to your opinion, nobody is saying that you do not. Everyone has the right to an opinion and when we state it on an open forum it's going to be discussed.

A lot of people have tried to discuss with you the FACTS around the Islamic Community Center (NOT A MOSQUE) and now you are saying it is about being popular.

I know you know that is not true.

If you are against the center then fine. You are against it. If others are for it then we are going to discuss.

There is no room to play victim.

This is a -gentle- reminder that this thread is NOT in the RED ZONE.

This is definitely a hard subject to discuss and we all have very personal feelings about it... So please keep your responses respectful.

Thanks
SassyLeo

"To continue the efforts to battle Sharia Law and the attempts of radical Muslims to use it to destroy our values and the gains of feminism....."

riiiiiiiiiiight, THIS nut is now suddenly a mouthpiece for feminism?? I'm so sure about that.

thanks for the link to this article. I feel... even dirtier now.

Seriously. It's pretty manipulative to try and couch this in "It's about the women!". I'm appalled.

Oh My Allah!
 

And you know, while we're at it, if you actually look at Ground Zero on a map (which I've had to do since I've never been to New York)... I'm lookin' there and ... oh RIGHT BESIDE WTC, is... St. Peter's Roman Catholic Church, St. Paul's Churchyard... even John Street United Methodist Church appears to be closer to Ground Zero.


Since this is a contest...It's 3 against 1. Christians win.

We could use curling rules? (closest rock to the centre wins?)

just a thought.

Re: SHARIA LAW. Suspect not too many here know what it is. In fact, real sharia law is closer to democracy and socialism than the democracy practiced in the USA and western European countries. Under sharia law, the entire society is protected (including non muslims). Everybody is "taxed" in a sense. Muslims pay a zakat (proportion of their incomes) that is significantly higher than what is required of non muslims living in an Islamic country (if they can afford it). They are paying for the protection of the Islamic military and basic community services, just as a resident alien living in the USA is paying taxes.
A woman's 'vote' was worth half that of a man (likewise a female witness to a crime) because it was presumed that the women were in the home giving birth and caring for children rather than dabbling in the affairs of the society.
Now, if you want to find something truly terrifying, read up on Talmudic Law....it's okay to have sexual intercourse with a gentile girl over 3 years and one day.....the life of a non Jew is worthless compared to that of a Jew. Talmudic and rabbinical law are the foundation of both modern Judaism and Christianity.
Rational people of any faith tent to take a critical look at the laws of their faith and practice what is feasible.
Again, I suggest that we recollect the Inquisition and the Crusades, and perhaps the Salem Witch burnings as a toss in, when we are claiming the Islam is a religion of atrocity.
Most Islamic conquest historically was by voluntary conversion. The Mongols mangled the Muslims and ultimately converted to Islam of their own accord. Christianity has spread by the sword.
Perahps a nice LGBT community center in the vicinity of Ground Zero would be appropriate at this point.

Feminine Alllure:
Could you please provide evidence for your statement that Islamic Centers (mosues or community centers or whatever you'd like to call them) don't honor sharia law? Sharia law is the basis of Islam. I'd really like to hear your sources.

That's akin to suggesting that Judaism generally tosses out all vestiges of Abrahamic law (talmudic law or rabbinical law) and only a few fanatical Jews attempt to abide by the law.

What's your source, please?

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/groun...he-real-issue/

paragraph four

mmmmm us vs them

This entire conversation is about us vs them. Let's re-frame the conversation. ..sometimes I like irony.......

My sisters and brothers of an Abrahamic sect (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) want to build the Cordoba House, a community center. It will serve all the people of the neighborhood, within an Islamic tradition. It is a couple of blocks from the WTC where Wahhabist terrorists, who were Saudi nationals, flew planes in to buildings. The Cordoba House has nothing to do with 9/11. It is about building an inclusive community in that neighborhood.

Notice I did not say those Islamics want to build a mosque at ground zero. That would be divisive. Notice I talked about community and taking care of each other in that little neighborhood. That is inclusive and changes the dialogue.