Ratified on August 18, 1920, the 19th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution granted American women the right to vote—a right known as woman suffrage. At the time the U.S. was founded, its female citizens did not share all of the same rights as men, including the right to vote.

19th Amendment - Women's History - HISTORY.com

The struggle for the vote did not end with the ratification of the Nineteenth Amendment. In some Southern states, African American women were unable to freely exercise their right to vote up until the 1960s.

African-American woman suffrage movement - Wikipedia

The Voting Rights Act, signed into law by President Lyndon Johnson (1908-73) on August 6, 1965, aimed to overcome legal barriers at the state and local levels that prevented African Americans from exercising their right to vote under the 15th Amendment (1870) to the Constitution of the United States.

Voting Rights Act - Black History - HISTORY.com

Kobi,

Perhaps you believe that women need to hit rock bottom, that living under Trump will open our eyes, that this is the tonic that will start the cure and stop the political placebos dead in their tracks, and that "Whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"

Well here's a bit I just read about that Nietzchean bumper sticker:

"...Nietzsche used a similar line in Ecce Homo (written 1888, published 1908), the last book he wrote before going completely insane. In the chapter entitled “Why I Am So Wise,” he wrote that a person who has “turned out well” could be recognized by certain attributes, such as a knack for exploiting bad accidents to his advantage. Regarding such a man, Nietzsche said: “What does not kill him makes him stronger.” (“Was ihn nicht umbringt, macht ihn stärker.”)

Today, English translations and variations of Nietzsche’s maxim are often used for ironic effect. But they are also frequently used in a positive way, to express optimism and determination in the face of adversity.

Many people might be surprised to learn that Nietzsche’s original German line was used as a motto for Hitler’s Nazi youth camps."

Charlene Dargay Apr 12, 2016

Problem is, "rock bottom" is littered by the bodies of the slaughtered, the defeated, those who would never rise again.

Another thing that made me smile was actually getting to do something my way, for a change.

I did google it.... it isn't on ANY site I could find including the BJS. Perhaps you could give me a hint where you found it.

I smiled all through the women's rally today...tomorrow I may be in bed, but today I smiled. :)

I'm beginning to understand why you smiled at Trump's inauguration: like Trump you belong to the "insult and dismiss" school of discourse and when you are caught spouting bullshit, you become even more insulting and dismissive.

Well ok. So here's some "ad hominem" in return: Stick to watching baby eagles. They don't talk back.

ALL- Native Americans weren't registered as citizens until 1924. And All Native Americans were not allowed to vote until 1982? In some western states they are STILL being denied the right to vote!-

I'm smiling on the inside. I'm grateful to have a strong community to learn from. Lets remember the love.

:)

The example I used about women's suffrage was not to say women didn't get the right to vote in 1920. The point I was trying to make is that without a focus on the places where oppression intersects you have the 19th amendment, that gives women the right to vote butting up against state laws and a variety of practices that effectively disenfranchised black women in the South, (black men too) and it took the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960's to effect some change, as Anya pointed out. And as Glenn pointed out Native Americans were not citizens and denied the right to vote for another 4 years. My whole point centers on the problems inherent in a feminism that is focused on the general problems which occur for all women and ignores problems unique to lower class women, lesbians, women of color, non binary persons, etc. A feminism over focused on white, straight, upper/middle class, binary conforming women is a feminism that leaves too many women behind. In other words I do not agree with your statement that intersectional feminism dilutes and derails the very meaning and essence of feminism. I believe just the opposite.

One of your pet phrases is we have a "reading comprehension problem." Everything I said in my post is true about Trump and has nothing to do with reading. There is tape of him bragging about sexual assault, it is a fact that he was in a room with teen beauty pageant contests when they were in a state of undress, he has taken steps towards getting rid of the Violence Against Women Act, he supports repealing Roe v. Wade. These are all facts.


At our rally today in Albuquerque today, one of the speakers spoke about feminism that is not intersectional and inclusive is nothing but white supremacy. I agree 100%.

Enough is right. Enough of your bullshit. I'm not wasting any more time on your attention-seeking, trollish, hateful self.

Holding hands with my butch while watching live footage of the march on Washington.

Today did...for several reasons

I finished writing my 8th century historic fiction!
I began writing it on 6/7/2012 9:14 AM and completed it 1/21/2017 8:02 PM
I am very excited!
52,216 words, my longest book so far
....I think this is book 38 or 39



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Kobi in your criticism of Obama as not being feminist you wrote:

"Obama threatened to withhold federal educational dollars from all school systems if they did not allow transgendered students to have bathroom choices until title ix. The transgendered population compromises what....2% of the population?"

Isn't demanding that ALL women and girls (whether cis or trans) have a safe space to use the restroom feminist? Since when is it okay to dismiss some women's safety because they are in the minority? Sisterhood to me means leaving no sister behind.

I may be mistaken, and I'll admit that up front, but the point for most Radical Feminists is that Transwomen are not women and never can be and therefore not "sisters" and their inclusion is part of the intersectional feminism that radical feminists abhor.

If I'm wrong, I'll just write this off as a bad guess.

There are radical feminists and then there are TERFs, TRANS-EXCLUSIONARY radical feminists. I would hope that Kobi is not speaking from a point of view that excludes the support of equal rights for women who are transgender. We have femmes on this site who are of a trans background, and we welcome them and expect others to welcome them. Anti-trans rhetoric is not welcome on this site towards femmes, butches, or FTMs.

Kobi, I have often loved your posts, sometimes because the ideas you present make me look at a larger picture, or a different view than I may have otherwise considered. I wanted to say something here, though, that I am not, in any way, trying to antagonize or bait. I am honestly trying to understand your actions (specifically, voting for Trump), because this is really confusing me.


If you believe that it is truly "even more detrimental", as a woman and feminist, to support people who would only further victimize you more, then why, on G-d's little green acre, would you, as a woman and avowed feminist, support and vote for a known abuser/oppressor (Trump)?? Especially when you know he is going to make things far worse for you and your sisters. Your words don't jive with your actions. Is there some other reason, which you are not saying, as to why you voted for Trump??

Really, it would seem that your claim of being such a staunch and engaged feminist, is in direct and obvious conflict with the act of voting for and supporting someone with such an egregious history of disrespecting women and making vile comments, such as "grabbing them by the p*ssy", etc. Can you honestly see other staunch feminists voting for and/or supporting Donald Trump?? For what plausible reason could this ever happen?? In whose universe?? Are you really a feminist?? I want to understand. That's all I'm trying to get at, here.

I don't think I'm the only confused member here. :blink:

~Theo~ :bouquet: