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Arwen 11-12-2009 11:10 AM

Healthy Pets
 
Let's share things that keep our feathered, furred, finned, scaled and shelled friends healthy.

Got recipes?
Got questions?

I'm not a vet and I don't play one on TV either, but I am an animal lover. Let's talk about what keeps our companion animals healthy!

Arwen 11-12-2009 11:12 AM

CONFIRMED: Cat with H1N1
 
From Banfield's newsletter:

On Wednesday, Nov. 4, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) issued a statement confirming that a cat in Iowa tested positive for the 2009 H1N1 influenza virus. Iowa state officials confirmed that this is the first time a cat has been diagnosed with a strain of influenza.

The cat, which is recovering, is believed to have contracted the virus from a human in the household who had H1N1. There are no indications that the cat passed the virus on to any other Pets or to other people. Prior to this diagnosis, the 2009 H1N1 influenza virus had been found in humans, pigs, birds and ferrets. The virus was confirmed in two ferrets in Nebraska and one in Oregon. There have been no reports of infection in dogs.

As with humans, supportive care is the only treatment available for Pets with this virus. However, if your Pet has a fever, cough/sneeze and nasal discharge and someone in your household has had an influenza-like illness the week prior to the illness of your Pet, you should contact your local Banfield veterinarian.

So this really surprised me. I didn't realize H1N1 had been found in birds and ferrets either.

Arwen 11-12-2009 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackhammer (Post 3836)
Oh NO :(

I was just looking at our baby (Sister Amazing Gracie Fabulosa) the other day and wondering if this H1N1 crud could be passed to her.

Not good.

Right now it has not been found in dogs but I'd certainly be cautious.

Darth Denkay 11-12-2009 10:22 PM

Great thread! I imagine I'll be hanging out here quite a bit, figuring out what to do with 4 cats and a dog...

blackboot 11-12-2009 10:41 PM

I used to own a grooming salon and also sold product. I always cautioned dog owners about the choking danger of solid (not shredded and compressed) rawhide bones with the knots on each end. Those knots easily slide down a dogs' throat and can become lodged. A piece of rawhide can also cause intestinal blockage. I refused to sell these products in my shop. Another common danger is using a choke chain in place of a collar or leaving the choke on unattended.

Arwen 11-13-2009 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackboot (Post 4359)
I used to own a grooming salon and also sold product. I always cautioned dog owners about the choking danger of solid (not shredded and compressed) rawhide bones with the knots on each end. Those knots easily slide down a dogs' throat and can become lodged. A piece of rawhide can also cause intestinal blockage. I refused to sell these products in my shop. Another common danger is using a choke chain in place of a collar or leaving the choke on unattended.

Nod. Choke chains are dangerous. I also owned a grooming salon (I think we talked about this once) but I did not sell product.

One of my clients died from a cow hoof treat. Beautiful Husky.

Best bet with any big chewy treat is to watch your pet. I know it's an easy thing to give them a chew while you are gone, but the things that could happen are myriad. And many of them are fatal.

Hate to be a drag, but better that then losing your pet.

Rook 11-13-2009 01:06 AM

I never Ever gave my pets Rawhide treats....my family + companion always complained that i was being too severe, snobby....
I would tell them exactly why I refused and of course the inevitable "Ohhhh" followed....
I did give Natural treats...
Dried chicken breast treats specifically for my pooch...
Greenies....
Real bones...femurs, oxtails...and the occasional pizzle stick...
Of course for my ferrets, Cheweasels, n-bone, and a maximum 2 nuggets of Marshal treat or the all-meat treats, plus Ferret crack..or Ferretone....

When I found out Ferrets can get h1n1, I doubled my effort to sanitize and avoid snibbly people upTown....
my county has a few cases, and 1 infant fatality....

For other ferret owners that have Sickly ferrets or Older ferrets that can't eat solids well..

duk soup can be as basic as you want it to be
3 chicken Thighs/legs (about a lb)
about 1/2 cup of premium FERRET kibble
about 1 tbsp of Ferretone*or more..if they're stubborn*
half jar 1st stage baby food MEAT..{beef, chicken, turkey, lamb...your pick...i oftentimes did chicken, turkey or lamb]
Pedialyte (non-flavored) 2 tbsp


Pretty simple, boil the chicken and keep the broth, break the chicken up into small piece and put into a blender, add about 1/2 cup of the broth. Blend untill liquid. Add a bit of the broth to the kibble to allow it to soften up, then blend with a bit of broth, adding Pedialyte + baby food. Mix all the liquids together, add some ferretone and mix. You can add more broth if needed to make it liquidy..
The consistency is really up to the ailing/older ferrets ability to eat..try not to make it too soupy...
Gotta keep in mind, they will poop it, and it'll be incredibly "Ripe" if it's not balanced out...
like a baby eating baby food...
If there's leftover, pour them in ice cube tray, freeze, then heat up whenever needed, not too hot..just lukewarm...

Legendryder 11-13-2009 06:35 AM

Great thread. I have two dogs myself, one young, one old. My older furkid has started having problems eating hard food, so she started dropping weight a bit. I went to the store, bought cans of wet food and a tube of Nurtical, and she is back to normal. I do have to stick Bob in another room, as a chihuahua, he will eat any and everything. He is already a walking furry table as it is. So, he gets dry food, and the Queen gets wet food. All good.

Diavolo 11-13-2009 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arwen (Post 4418)
Nod. Choke chains are dangerous. I also owned a grooming salon (I think we talked about this once) but I did not sell product.

One of my clients died from a cow hoof treat. Beautiful Husky.

Best bet with any big chewy treat is to watch your pet. I know it's an easy thing to give them a chew while you are gone, but the things that could happen are myriad. And many of them are fatal.

Hate to be a drag, but better that then losing your pet.

And don't forget those weird little soft ball like things from China that my brother's dog swallowed. Lots of dogs have had to have surgery over those. I just had to pick up Doberman puke. :eek:

Legendryder 11-13-2009 11:42 AM

My dogs get milkbones. Only. If they feel like chewing, they have Kong balls and rubber toys for that.

Bit 11-13-2009 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arwen (Post 3815)
So this really surprised me. I didn't realize H1N1 had been found in birds and ferrets either.

They call it H1N1 because it is a mutant combination of Swine Flu and Bird Flu, so yes, birds can get it.

I didn't know about ferrets and cats getting it, though.

Thank you for the thread, Arwen!

Eddie 11-13-2009 12:14 PM

I'm looking at taking ownership of my friend's pet. She has to give her away (long story) and I would rather take the pet than her giving it to a random person. It's a miniature chocolate dapple dachshund. The great thing is that the pet knows me and she's house broken, crate trained and so on. The not so great thing is that I will no longer be able to pick up and leave for weekend getaways on a whim like I am able to now. I want the pet and have been thinking of having one for a long while now, but I know it is a huge responsibility for me and I know there's a lot to ponder over with this new addition to my home.

Arwen 11-13-2009 12:16 PM

My niece makes dog cookies. She shared some with the Del Valle dogs who LOVED them. Here is her recipe.

A*'s Dog Cookies

Preheat oven to 375F. Lightly grease cookie sheet.

Combine:
2 C flour
1 T baking powder
Set aside.

Slowly pour 1 Cup milk into 1 Cup Peanut Butter (Crunchy or Smooth – your dog’s choice). Mix until smooth

Pour wet ingredients into dry and stir until all ingredients are mixed together. Form into a ball and then knead on a LIGHTLY floured surface for a few minutes. Flatten (or roll) out to about ½ inch thickness and cut with cookie cutter (A* uses a tree shaped cookie cutter, but you can use whatever you have on hand).

Place on lightly greased baking sheet and bake for 20 minutes or until firm to the touch. Store in an airtight container

I think I might be inclined to use a different liquid for the mixing. I'll have to experiment.

Bit 11-13-2009 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arwen (Post 4657)
I think I might be inclined to use a different liquid for the mixing. I'll have to experiment.

Chicken broth!

Thank you for the recipe; I'll have to try these for Lady after I get my oven fixed.

Darth Denkay 11-14-2009 12:33 PM

Dental?
 
Hey Legend!

You may have already done this - if so ignore me - but have you had your furkid checked by a vet to see if she needs a dental? Gum disease and tooth problems will make them go off eating anything that's going to be painful. Just a thought.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendryder (Post 4465)
Great thread. I have two dogs myself, one young, one old. My older furkid has started having problems eating hard food, so she started dropping weight a bit. I went to the store, bought cans of wet food and a tube of Nurtical, and she is back to normal. I do have to stick Bob in another room, as a chihuahua, he will eat any and everything. He is already a walking furry table as it is. So, he gets dry food, and the Queen gets wet food. All good.


MsDemeanor 11-14-2009 01:33 PM

H1N1 in cats is not a surprise, as they can contract type-A influenza. They don't pass it to other cats, but they can get it from humans. Flu in ferrets is quite common; they are one of the animals that are used in flu testing.

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I always feed my dog the best possible dry food and treats that I could find. Most of his life he was on Natura products, first California Natural then, when it became available in my area, Innova. He got the occasional table scrap, but never enough to impact his diet. I kept him away from the vet and medications as much as possible, he had minimal shots and didn't take any of those expensive monthly pills that vets always recommend. He never had a flea or tick problem, so this decision didn't jeopardize his health in any way. He finally passed this week at the age of 18, so I figure that I must have been doing something right all those years.

Inuus 11-14-2009 03:47 PM

MsDemeanor Im sorry for your loss. Your pup lived a full life Im sure :)

This site has some great pet recipes if anyone is interested. I have tried making a couple myself...uumm for my dog Gouda of course although I will admit I tried them after they were baked. Hey I love Gouda too much to allow her to try something I wouldnt eat myself ;)

http://www.bullwrinkle.com/Assets/Recipes/Recipes.htm

Bit 11-14-2009 04:07 PM

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Hello Inuus, welcome!

MsDemeanor 11-15-2009 11:38 AM

Thank you for the kind words. It's kinda hard to be too sad, 18 years is twice what most folks get with their furbabies.

Dude 11-18-2009 10:49 AM

No sooner had we got home from Austin on sunday that our little chihuahua/shitzu two year old started having a seizure.
She has had about 5 in her lifetime now.
This one and the one previous (4 mnths ago) continued until we got her to emergency vet for a shot of valium.
We took her to our vet yesterday and are waiting on blood work to come back.

I thought it was worth a shot to see if anyone here has gone thru this with such
a young dog.

Arwen 11-18-2009 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude (Post 7796)
No sooner had we got home from Austin on sunday that our little chihuahua/shitzu two year old started having a seizure.
She has had about 5 in her lifetime now.
This one and the one previous (4 mnths ago) continued until we got her to emergency vet for a shot of valium.
We took her to our vet yesterday and are waiting on blood work to come back.

I thought it was worth a shot to see if anyone here has gone thru this with such
a young dog.


So sorry to hear about your baby's illness, Dude. That's scary.

I did know a few dogs (grooming clients and friends' dogs) that were epileptic at a young age. One of them was known to be a case of in-breeding (brother/sister combination.) The others we did not know about.

The triggers seemed to be overstimulation much like in children. When the dogs were stressed or tired, a seizure could happen.

One was a food allergy of all things. Dog reacted to carrots. :|

Deborah 11-18-2009 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude (Post 7796)
No sooner had we got home from Austin on sunday that our little chihuahua/shitzu two year old started having a seizure.
She has had about 5 in her lifetime now.
This one and the one previous (4 mnths ago) continued until we got her to emergency vet for a shot of valium.
We took her to our vet yesterday and are waiting on blood work to come back.

I thought it was worth a shot to see if anyone here has gone thru this with such
a young dog.

UPDATE; blood work back they are thinking she may have a Liver Shunt...going back for another enzime test Friday morning....anyone have experience with this? Scary stuff...

Arwen 11-18-2009 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaqueline (Post 8243)
UPDATE; blood work back they are thinking she may have a Liver Shunt...going back for another enzime test Friday morning....anyone have experience with this? Scary stuff...


Scary indeed. I believe a liver shunt is fixable via surgery. A very close friend is a vet in Denver. Hang in there. May I light a candle for your little dog?

Dude 11-19-2009 07:40 AM

shit...:confused:
she was back to her normal self yesterday only to have another seizure this am.
fortunately we had a rectal dose of valium to stop it quickly and gave her some honey
in case its low blood sugar too getting her all outta wack.

if this next test comes back bad he's referring us to a vet in Dallas for an mri
then surgery

jfreas 11-19-2009 07:46 AM

Grade your dog food!
 
This is an interesting link- Grade your dog food.

http://zenathepug.blogspot.com/2009/...food-rate.html

Arwen 11-19-2009 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude (Post 8544)
shit...:confused:
she was back to her normal self yesterday only to have another seizure this am.
fortunately we had a rectal dose of valium to stop it quickly and gave her some honey
in case its low blood sugar too getting her all outta wack.

if this next test comes back bad he's referring us to a vet in Dallas for an mri
then surgery

Dude, I'm so sorry to hear this. I will hope that the vets can get this all worked out for you all. It's so stressful to have a kid sick! Hug!

Sam 11-19-2009 09:20 AM

one of our neighbors has a american bulldog, most beautiful male i have ever seen. he started throwing up blood, they found pancreatic cancer.

stuff like that just blows my mind.

violaine 11-19-2009 11:13 AM

exotic pets
 
oxbow products for all life stages:

vitamin C chewable 50 mg tablet for guinea pigs = daily; pellets for young and/or nursing pigs [contain alfalfa], adult pig chow does not contain alfalfa [only timothy], variety of fresh hays [orchard, timothy, brome, botanical, et c.], hay cakes, and critical care for emergency feeding.

Rook 11-19-2009 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfreas (Post 8548)
This is an interesting link- Grade your dog food.

http://zenathepug.blogspot.com/2009/...food-rate.html

More proof that my brother feeds his pooch doggie Swill.....

Inuus 11-19-2009 08:33 PM

I'm sorry to hear this. My dog went thru chemo which damaged her liver. I learned alot about liver disease/problems via forums and groups. If you want any info I will be glad to pass on what I know about liver problems and refer you to the places I found

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaqueline (Post 8243)
UPDATE; blood work back they are thinking she may have a Liver Shunt...going back for another enzime test Friday morning....anyone have experience with this? Scary stuff...


Dude 11-20-2009 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arwen (Post 8322)
Hang in there. May I light a candle for your little dog?

thank you
and yes please ..:candle:

she's at the doctors getting blood work without food
then in two hours bloodwork with food

hoping to hell it's hypoglycemia and not liver shunt :ohm:

Dude 11-20-2009 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inuus (Post 8901)
I'm sorry to hear this. My dog went thru chemo which damaged her liver. I learned alot about liver disease/problems via forums and groups. If you want any info I will be glad to pass on what I know about liver problems and refer you to the places I found

yes please

how is your Gouda doing?

Arwen 11-20-2009 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude (Post 9107)
thank you
and yes please ..:candle:

she's at the doctors getting blood work without food
then in two hours bloodwork with food

hoping to hell it's hypoglycemia and not liver shunt :ohm:

What's her name? I apologize if you've said this, but I do not remember.

Dude 11-20-2009 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arwen (Post 9117)
What's her name? I apologize if you've said this, but I do not remember.

foster
fosterini for short:heartbeat:

Bit 11-20-2009 10:11 AM

:candle: :candle: :candle: Bright blessings to Gouda and Fosterini!! :candle: :candle: :candle:

Darth Denkay 11-22-2009 06:25 PM

Caring for dogs with seizures is never fun. My parents and I have a Great Dane who started having seizures when he was 3 months old. It took over a year to get him regulated in any way. First, he was growing so quickly that we could never get the dosage right. Secondly, when we seemed to have to dose right, he had horrible side effects to the meds, enough so that we considered putting him down. He was so weak in his back end that we felt his quality of life was really compromised. Our vet referred us to a study being conducted at the University of Tennessee Knoxville vet school on an experimental drug. That drug saved Moose's (our dog's life). It's a bit more expensive than the traditional drugs but a little with a little research we found a source that was very affordable.

I don't know if I specified that we did the whole round of tests when his seizures first began, and everything was within normal range, so he's your run-of-the-mill epileptic. Just very young for it to start.

Sounds as though in your pup's case there may be a physiological cause for the seizures, and one that can be corrected. Keep us posted.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude (Post 8544)
shit...:confused:
she was back to her normal self yesterday only to have another seizure this am.
fortunately we had a rectal dose of valium to stop it quickly and gave her some honey
in case its low blood sugar too getting her all outta wack.

if this next test comes back bad he's referring us to a vet in Dallas for an mri
then surgery


Dude 11-23-2009 12:44 PM

results from tests came back as probably not a liver shunt:dance2:

but he wants to try her out on potassium bromade to help control them

she finally has solid poop again (she got runs from the valium) and she is
playful and eating good.

Inuus 11-23-2009 05:04 PM

Im happy for you and the little one about the test results. I know what that feels like to be waiting thinking the worst. Keep us posted!

Darth Denkay 11-24-2009 03:33 PM

Hey, very good news about the liver!!!

As much as we hate anything to be wrong with our furbabies, epilepsy can usually be successfully managed. I worked as a vet tech for 10 years and remember quite a few patients who did really well - on meds of course. The reality is that your pup will probably have the occasional seizure, but not too often and not requiring valium to stop it.

Here's hoping your :dog: responds well to the meds!


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude (Post 10790)
results from tests came back as probably not a liver shunt:dance2:

but he wants to try her out on potassium bromade to help control them

she finally has solid poop again (she got runs from the valium) and she is
playful and eating good.



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