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Nat 03-04-2011 01:51 PM

*,\'(;-)/.?!:"...
 
Isn't it neat (or possibly horrifying) how punctuation rules and usage seem to be changing so rapidly over the last decade?

Anyway, this is the punctuation thread. :) And spaces are fine to discuss here too.

Mister Bent 03-04-2011 01:53 PM

...
 

Long live the ellipsis!

The_Lady_Snow 03-04-2011 01:58 PM

I thought maybe it was a pretend cussing thread.

%#*%£!

I'm terrible with punctuation I'm sorry:(

Martina 03-04-2011 03:17 PM

My housemate, a high school English teacher, does not use or teach the use of commas before coordinating conjunctions.

:eyebrow:

Deborah 03-04-2011 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by June (Post 294983)
Hi, my name is June and I am apostrophe challenged.

Hi June...we're glad you're here.

princessbelle 03-04-2011 04:13 PM

At my company, the computer system that we use doesn't allow for any punctuation except a period.

Nothing else at all. This has made me almost go postal a few times. Try writing down vital signs without a slash. We have to type 120 over 80. Stupid.

And forget trying to quote a patient. We have to say.... start quote blah blah blah end quote.

My company paid thousands of dollars for this program and if it were up to me they would get their & out of their () and FIX the freaking thing.

So, i miss using puntuation. This thread brings a tear to my eye.

Finally a place i can shout to the world.

I LOVE AND MISS YOU PUNCTUATION!!!!!!

Thank you for this wonderful thread. (f)

AtLast 03-04-2011 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 294985)
I thought maybe it was a pretend cussing thread.

%#*%£!

I'm terrible with punctuation I'm sorry:(

LOL..... I'm with you! And will always take poetic license with punctuation.

:|

daisygrrl 03-04-2011 06:32 PM

I love, love punctuation--especially the dash ;-) Oh, and a well placed semicolon makes me giddy. I know, I know: I'm a nerd :glasses:

Language is a living entity, so it only stands to reason that punctuation will fluctuate in its usage, too. I always remind my students that they should use punctuation as a tool to enhance clarity. Rules, which change all the time--be damned :koolaid: Writing can be fun, damn-it!

rlin 03-04-2011 06:34 PM

im with the mister bent... all anyone needs is the ellipsis... it gives you time to breathe when you read....possession is implied mostly anyway... the rest is just for looks...

hpychick 03-04-2011 06:40 PM

Pitter Patter
 
Oh, I do believe you've made my heart go pitter-patter! In the age of texting and emoticon-ing, it seems the art of true writing (and proper form) has been lost!

I can now die in peace, knowing that someone out there loves punctuation like I do!

<3

WolfyOne 03-04-2011 06:51 PM

*raises hand* I am bad with punctuation

Wow, I feel much better now that I got that out

Does this mean I'm going to have to start ending my sentences with a period?

If June is challenged by ', I just want to say with me, it's pure laziness

Mister Bent 03-04-2011 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlin (Post 295156)
im with the mister bent... all anyone needs is the ellipsis... it gives you time to breathe when you read....possession is implied mostly anyway... the rest is just for looks...


Sweet baby jesus in lucite, then you go and defile it!

The ellipsis is three (3) dots, not 4 (except when the ellipsis is used in place of omitted words at the end of a sentence, or the beginning of a sentence following another, where in both cases a period is also employed), not 5, not 17.

It is not comprised of commas, or any other string or combination of punctuation marks.

Some other liberties with ellipses I can tolerate (proper grammatical usage, even - see above), but do not alter the beauty of its simple form.

I beg of thee.


Mister Bent 03-04-2011 07:28 PM

Instigator.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by June (Post 295184)
I recently went through a spate of reading a lot of Gertrude Stein, who is infamous for her lack of commas and punctuation in general.

Even though I think she was kind of a fascinating wack job, I felt a certain kindred spirit-ness with her.

Spell check that, Mr. Bent.

Spirit-ness (c)


Well, some might spell it "whack" job. But this thread is about punctuation, Juney, so I will remain on seated hands with regard to the atrocities of spelling found within.

daisygrrl 03-04-2011 07:29 PM

Ya know, I think that people are just too worried about "being wrong" with punctuation (or grammar) because of the mean-ole-English-teacher stereotype (and lived experiences).

Laziness is one thing, but I think that even text-messaging is its own, valid language (just sayin').

BTW: I adore Stein.

girl_dee 03-04-2011 07:33 PM

I am sure nothing compares to the complete overuse of the punctuation mark.

I find this to be mostly true on forums like Facebook.

It just annoys the HELL out of me !!!!!! oh wait...

Diva 03-04-2011 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Bent (Post 295187)
Sweet baby jesus in lucite, then you go and defile it!

The ellipsis is three (3) dots, not 4 (except when the ellipsis is used in place of omitted words at the end of a sentence, or the beginning of a sentence following another, where in both cases a period is also employed), not 5, not 17.

It is not comprised of commas, or any other string or combination of punctuation marks.

Some other liberties with ellipses I can tolerate (proper grammatical usage, even - see above), but do not alter the beauty of its simple form.

I beg of thee.



While Your begging is moderately hot, I shall use as many ellipsesi (did that make You twitch, Mr. B?) as I wish........as using said dots is how I speak in real time....like a continuing thought.........that gets all stirred up on occasion.......... and I use that time.............to reorganize said thought(s) and continue spewing.

My grammar is sparkly.

daisygrrl 03-04-2011 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sassy_girl (Post 295200)
I am sure nothing compares to the complete overuse of the punctuation mark.

I find this to be mostly true on forums like Facebook.

It just annoys the HELL out of me !!!!!! oh wait...


I totally relate...the overuse of exclamation marks makes me feel like I need to step back :vigil:

Mister Bent 03-04-2011 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diva (Post 295202)
While Your begging is moderately hot, I shall use as many ellipsesi (did that make You twitch, Mr. B?) as I wish........as using said dots is how I speak in real time....like a continuing thought.........that gets all stirred up on occasion.......... and I use that time.............to reorganize said thought(s) and continue spewing.

My grammar is sparkly.

It's going to be like that is it? I refuse to believe you use dots in speech in real time. What you do is pause, which is not the intended use of ellipses. My goat will not be gotten, lady!

Martina 03-04-2011 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfyOne (Post 295168)
Does this mean I'm going to have to start ending my sentences with a period?

Yes. (note the period)

princessbelle 03-04-2011 07:46 PM

Have you ever talked like you write? Actually say the words "she said" or "question mark" at the end of a sentence when you ask a question?

It is sorta fun and it's not as easy as you'd think

Warning though... (counts three)

it may land you a slap especially if the someone you are talking is allowed to slap you and sometimes even when they are not.

Diva 03-04-2011 07:46 PM


Porcelain 03-04-2011 07:56 PM

William Shatner...

AtLast 03-04-2011 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sassy_girl (Post 295200)
I am sure nothing compares to the complete overuse of the punctuation mark.

I find this to be mostly true on forums like Facebook.

It just annoys the HELL out of me !!!!!! oh wait...

And here I thought we were friends.... damn! I'm totally heart broken.

Queerasfck 03-04-2011 09:09 PM

<(")...........

Diva 03-04-2011 09:23 PM

I'm so............confused! <~~~Sassy....please note only ONE exclamation mark. Thank You. :eyebat:




Mister Bent 03-04-2011 09:38 PM

My brother from another mother.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Porcelain (Post 295221)
William Shatner...


Who invokes the Shat?!

Ebon 03-04-2011 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by June (Post 294983)
Hi, my name is June and I am apostrophe challenged.

HI JUNE!!!!

I love this one ~.

Mister Bent 03-04-2011 10:13 PM

spell check alert
 

Because now I HAVE to -


"tilde"

Mister Bent 03-04-2011 10:22 PM

Phoenician spelling?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by June (Post 295328)
Are you mocking my Phonetic Spelling's?

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...n-alphabet.jpg

Ignoring the improper use of the apostrophe.


Diva 03-04-2011 10:27 PM

Right?
I mean.................why use a silly ol' -, when one can use a mini~rollercoaster!



Diva 03-04-2011 10:28 PM

Sometimes, I'll get a phonetic when I've been talking too long......


I blame Joon.



hpychick 03-04-2011 10:46 PM

This grammar, conjunction, punctuation chatter has me all a-twitter.

I swoon for the tilde! (Especially when spelled correctly.) And let us not forget the proper use of a semi-colon; you know, to connect two distinct sentences, or line up a notable series!

moxie 03-04-2011 10:51 PM

As long as we are talking about the tilde, I really like the umlaut and the cédille. But then again, I like my vowels and c's.

It's not for everyone.

Nat 03-05-2011 12:35 AM

I wish English would adopt the Spanish upside-down "?" and "!" to put at the beginning of questions and exclamations. Not only does it look cool, but you actually get a heads-up about the tone of the sentence at the beginning where it makes sense.

I used to think I knew the rules of punctuation, but my brain has gone out to pasture. Texting for 7 years and internetting for 15, and it really feels like there are no real rules at all anymore. Plus I read this book called "Eats Shoots and Leaves" which was a hilarious book on punctuation written by a British woman. British punctuation is different from American. Even though she explained the differences as she went along, I've never been right in the head again. That book is laugh-out-loud funny to me. I never thought I'd read a book on punctuation ever in my life, but it had me in fits.

How would you punctuate the following sentences?

I really love the word azure because its really pleasurable to say

if you know your abcs wont you come and sing with me

apostrophes can indicate possession a contraction or in some cases can be used before an s to pluralize an initialism and thats it

Where do you put the period in the following sentences?

She wished she could stop time (she always harbored secret yearnings for certain superpowers)

The word you are thinking of is "idiosyncratic"

And, how do you address letters these days?

I was taught:

"Dear So-and-so,"

but my partner's technical writing textbook says it should always be:

"Dear So-and-so:"

When did we switch to colons for addressing letters????

I just don't know anymore about any of it. It seems all loosey goosey. I think anarchy has triumphed in the world of English punctuation. It's kinda nice.

At work the other day, I got an email.

"I don't handle this type of request..."

and I really felt like the ... was short for "you _____"

I try to avoid this sort of use of ellipses because they make me paranoid when they are thrown my way.

I guess it's not just loosey goosey these days - I think punctuation's getting in a lot more with expressing emotion and personality and tone. Writing has never had to pull so much of the weight of social behavior before (as far as I know). <--I think think that's where the Brits put the period, but I'm not sure where American English puts it.

and here's a question:

Are emoticons a kind of punctuation?


oh - and about spaces:

Do you put one space or two between the end of one sentence and the beginning of another?

I was taught to put two, but the young ones have informed me that the rule is now one space and that the two-space rule was more tied to typewriters than computers. What say ye?

Turtle 03-05-2011 01:05 AM

OK Nat,
 
Quote:

I really love the word azure because its really pleasurable to say

I reall love the word azure because it's really pleasurable to say. ~ and that's as far as I go.

I love (most) punctuation........I just can't stand all the RULES!!! Fuck the rules!!! I love ~ and !!! and @, # $, % ,&&&, *** ^ < > ,,,??:{[}]; "='+_)(|\` and especially the two little dots and the little scoopy cuppy thing I can't make. Thanks Nat, I've never felt so appreciative of all the punctuation friends we have!!! I just want to run around kissing all of 'em!

G'night,
Turtle :glasses: Huh?! What happened!?
And (and I like beginning sentences with and), just like everything else in my life ~ I like to mix and match

Nat 03-05-2011 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtle (Post 295419)
I reall love the word azure because it's really pleasurable to say. ~ and that's as far as I go.

I love (most) punctuation........I just can't stand all the RULES!!! Fuck the rules!!! I love ~ and !!! and @, # $, % ,&&&, *** ^ < > ,,,??:{[}]; "='+_)(|\` and especially the two little dots and the little scoopy cuppy thing I can't make. Thanks Nat, I've never felt so appreciative of all the punctuation friends we have!!! I just want to run around kissing all of 'em!

G'night,
Turtle :glasses: Huh?! What happened!?
And (and I like beginning sentences with and), just like everything else in my life ~ I like to mix and match

:) using color as punctuation = awesome :)


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