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nycfem 07-03-2011 10:41 AM

Atheist support, discussion, and information sharing thread
 
NYC has a large, active, diverse Atheist group called NYCA. I receive their newsletter and event information and have attended one of their meetings. Sometimes I want to share and discuss some of the content with other atheists and thought of starting a thread for those who also define as Atheist (me), Agnostic, or even questioning/open.

To be clear, this thread is not related to NYCA. That's just what brought it to mind. This thread is exactly what I wrote as the title: Atheist support, discussion, and information sharing thread.

Here is next weekend's event by NYCA for anyone local to NYC:


Sunday, July 10, 2011, 12:00 PM

SELECTED BY: KENNETH BRONSTEIN
PRESS BOX
932 SECOND AVE. (49/50) NEW YORK, NY (map)

REAR ROOM
SELECTED BY: KENNETH BRONSTEIN

SPEAKER: JAMILA BEY

SUBJECT: Why People of Color Resist The Atheist Movement

Jamila brings more than 15 years experience reporting, editing and producing for radio stations in Pittsburgh, Washington, DC, and around the nation. After serving a decade at National Public Radio as a producer and editor, Jamila is currently a freelance journalist, and she’s working on a book about Atheism in African-American Culture. A lifelong contrarian, Jamila spent much of her parochial schooling in the principal’s office explaining why she was thrown out of religion class.

COST: Brunch is $20, which includes a selection of Buffet entrees and salad, one soft drink, coffee, tax and tip. We encourage going back for seconds on the delicious Eggs Benedict.

tapu 07-03-2011 04:42 PM

Wish I could be there. The topic sounds very interesting.



As for the thread, I'm in.


-tap

Dominique 07-03-2011 04:49 PM

J Bey is from Pittsburgh, can't be a bad thing.

just saying:byebye:

Jar 07-03-2011 05:12 PM

wow. I won't bash it but I think athesists are so out of tune with the universe. Just sayin

atomiczombie 07-03-2011 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jar (Post 371280)
wow. I won't bash it but I think athesists are so out of tune with the universe. Just sayin

Um, this isn't a very nice thing to say. I am not an atheist but I would never say something so rude. Really Jar, was this necessary?

ButchBowWow 07-03-2011 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jar (Post 371280)
wow. I won't bash it but I think athesists are so out of tune with the universe. Just sayin

Really?

Then why reply at all?

Just sayin....

Dominique 07-03-2011 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ButchBowWow (Post 371288)
Really?

Then why reply at all?

Just sayin....


Thank you! I was trying to find a way to not be snarky.....but every thread has to have one.

The_Lady_Snow 07-03-2011 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jar (Post 371280)
wow. I won't bash it but I think athesists are so out of tune with the universe. Just sayin


Funny that's kind of how I feel about people who believe in all those magical lies in the Bible..

Have you read Revelations?? Acid trip!!!

It's hard not to believe your intent was not to bash something when you come in ans say


"I won't bash it but"

It's pretty obvious when you start out like that your intent is to dump on a thread that really holds no interest for you, it's rather shitty to do.

tapu 07-03-2011 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jar (Post 371280)
wow. I won't bash it but I think athesists are so out of tune with the universe. Just sayin

"So out of tune with the universe." Wow, what would you say if you were bashing us?

I have to tell you my own secret prejudice though: I think atheists are more intelligent, and braver, than those who can't bear to look at reality. Not to bash you. Jar.

hpychick 07-03-2011 05:27 PM

It takes a LOT of faith to be an Atheist.

We are all going our own direction on our own path at our own speed.

IMO tolerance and respect for differing beliefs is needed here.

Please note: In My Opinion

atomiczombie 07-03-2011 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tapu (Post 371301)
I have to tell you my own secret prejudice though: I think atheists are more intelligent, and braver, than those who can't bear to look at reality.

I support atheist's right to believe what they believe. I don't think believers in God/ess, higher power, etc nor atheists have exclusive rights to "reality", however. And, no I am not strictly speaking a Christian, and I am not a bible thumper. I don't have an all-or-nothing, black or white way of seeing the world. You see reality differently than I do tapu. Does that mean you think I am less intelligent and brave than you? I don't make those assumptions about you based on your atheism. I am not asking this to be snarky or insincere. I would really like to know.

Respectfully,

Drew

The_Lady_Snow 07-03-2011 05:39 PM

Can you take that convo into private Drew and respect this space? I mean really why is it people who don't follow the Christian Doctrine can't have a thread to talk about it? It's pretty shittty to bring up your religious views when it is clearly not that kind of thread.

tapu 07-03-2011 05:41 PM

Naw, you're good. I was just wanting to come at the Jar. It was more tongue-in-cheek, which doesn't always work on the internet.

I'm sorry. I know many very intelligent and brave people who live deeply in their faith. I've had professors of The Bible as Literature who are Jesuit priests. They were intelligent and brave. My best gay-boy friend became a monk. I'm still mad at him--he's selfish!!--but I know he is smart and brave.

So anyway, I spouted off. :blush:

Chancie 07-03-2011 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jar (Post 371280)
wow. I won't bash it but I think athesists are so out of tune with the universe. Just sayin

Quote:

Originally Posted by tapu (Post 371301)
"So out of tune with the universe." Wow, what would you say if you were bashing us?

I have to tell you my own secret prejudice though: I think atheists are more intelligent, and braver, than those who can't bear to look at reality. Not to bash you. Jar.

Neither post contributes to this thread.

hpychick 07-03-2011 05:43 PM

WWJD
 

ButchBowWow 07-03-2011 05:46 PM

I consider myself to be a non-practicing Pagan leaning strongly towards Atheism.

That being said, I do not go into Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc. threads to discuss why I am not (insert religion here) or to tell them that I think they are out of tune with the universe.

ButchBowWow 07-03-2011 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hpychick (Post 371317)

Let it be? :)

atomiczombie 07-03-2011 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 371310)
Can you take that convo into private Drew and respect this space? I mean really why is it people who don't follow the Christian Doctrine can't have a thread to talk about it? It's pretty shittty to bring up your religious views when it is clearly not that kind of thread.

This really isn't about my religious views. I rarely if ever discuss those details on this site, to be honest, and I just said in my previous post here that I don't follow the Christian doctrine. And I am addressing a comment about how someone believes that one group of people are less intelligent and brave than another. I am not in any way shape or form bashing atheism, and I said that. I am addressing one particular thing that was said that I found pretty icky against a group of people I belong to.

Respectfully Ms Snow, I have seen you do this in threads on various topics where you see something that you find personally offensive. Just because this is a support thread for atheists, that doesn't mean it is ok for anyone to use this thread to say something unkind and mean about non-atheists. And yes, I fully acknowledge that atheists are often treated horribly by deists, and I think that is horrible. However, two wrongs don't make a right either.

atomiczombie 07-03-2011 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tapu (Post 371313)
Naw, you're good. I was just wanting to come at the Jar. It was more tongue-in-cheek, which doesn't always work on the internet.

I'm sorry. I know many very intelligent and brave people who live deeply in their faith. I've had professors of The Bible as Literature who are Jesuit priests. They were intelligent and brave. My best gay-boy friend became a monk. I'm still mad at him--he's selfish!!--but I know he is smart and brave.

So anyway, I spouted off. :blush:

Thanks tapu. :)

tapu 07-03-2011 05:59 PM

SO ANYWAY! Jar's gone; tapu's apologized; Lady Snow and AtomicZom are at a draw.

Thank you, NYCBBW for the thread!

The_Lady_Snow 07-03-2011 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atomiczombie (Post 371336)
This really isn't about my religious views. I rarely if ever discuss those details on this site, to be honest, and I just said in my previous post here that I don't follow the Christian doctrine. And I am addressing a comment about how someone believes that one group of people are less intelligent and brave than another. I am not in any way shape or form bashing atheism, and I said that. I am addressing one particular thing that was said that I found pretty icky against a group of people I belong to.

Respectfully Ms Snow, I have seen you do this in threads on various topics where you see something that you find personally offensive. Just because this is a support thread for atheists, that doesn't mean it is ok for anyone to use this thread to say something unkind and mean about non-atheists. And yes, I fully acknowledge that atheists are often treated horribly by deists, and I think that is horrible. However, two wrongs don't make a right either.


I know I just did it in this very thread Drew I asked Jar not to come in and say something shitty, nor do I agree with with Tapu said, and now here we are in Ms Jennifer's thread talking about what I did in the past or what you want done or how off the wall the people who don't follow a doctrine are. I'm no saint Drew but also I just don't get why folks gotta come in here and be jerky about something or topics or what I've done in the past when it has NOTHING to do with the OP's intent. Like here. WE could address my transgressions in private instead of taking up more space in here. Cause frankly I don't believe I ever go into a thread and take a shit just cause I don't believe in something or have different beliefs unless it's an ism Drew and if you feel that is me being disrespectful I don't. ME going into a thread and calling an ism out or shitty behaviours is NOTHING like what has been said by Jar or Tapu just sayin' Drew.

tapu 07-03-2011 06:02 PM

yikes
..............

Jar 07-03-2011 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atomiczombie (Post 371283)
Um, this isn't a very nice thing to say. I am not an atheist but I would never say something so rude. Really Jar, was this necessary?

I didn't mean it to be rude. I just mean that anyone that doesn't think there's more is out of tune. Just my opinion

The_Lady_Snow 07-03-2011 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jar (Post 371374)
I didn't mean it to be rude. I just mean that anyone that doesn't think there's more is out of tune. Just my opinion

Can you clarify what this means? What makes you think that people don't think there is more?

Jar 07-03-2011 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 371300)
Funny that's kind of how I feel about peobut"ple who believe in all those magical lies in the Bible..

Have you read Revelations?? Acid trip!!!

It's hard not to believe your intent was not to bash something when you come in ans say


"I won't bash it

It's pretty obvious when you start out like that your intent is to dump on a thread that really holds no interest for you, it's rather shitty to do.

I NEVER said that I believe in the bible because it was written by men who had thier own agendas.

The_Lady_Snow 07-03-2011 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jar (Post 371384)
I NEVER said that I believe in the bible because it was written by men who had thier own agendas.


I never said you Jar believed in the bible. I was stating what I thought about the Bibles stories, not what Jar believes about the Bible stories.

Jar 07-03-2011 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 371383)
Can you clarify what this means? What makes you think that people don't think there is more?

I'm just saying that if people don't think there's more than this life, then they're outa touch with the universe.

atomiczombie 07-03-2011 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 371345)
I know I just did it in this very thread Drew I asked Jar not to come in and say something shitty, nor do I agree with with Tapu said, and now here we are in Ms Jennifer's thread talking about what I did in the past or what you want done or how off the wall the people who don't follow a doctrine are. I'm no saint Drew but also I just don't get why folks gotta come in here and be jerky about something or topics or what I've done in the past when it has NOTHING to do with the OP's intent. Like here. WE could address my transgressions in private instead of taking up more space in here. Cause frankly I don't believe I ever go into a thread and take a shit just cause I don't believe in something or have different beliefs unless it's an ism Drew and if you feel that is me being disrespectful I don't. ME going into a thread and calling an ism out or shitty behaviours is NOTHING like what has been said by Jar or Tapu just sayin' Drew.

Mkay I will respond in a pm.

tapu 07-03-2011 06:25 PM

Oh, good, Jar. We're glad you're back to offer that clarification.




Others, this to me, seems like a classic troll situation. Does anyone know this poster? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but it seems obvious that it's not a sincere effort, if you will.

Jar 07-03-2011 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tapu (Post 371394)
Oh, good, Jar. We're glad you're back to offer that clarification.

Others, this to me, seems like a classic troll situation. Does anyone know this poster? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but it seems obvious that it's not a sincere effort, if you will.

I have been on b-f.com and this site for years. You can ask most anybody here tofu

amiyesiam 07-03-2011 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jar (Post 371280)
wow. I won't bash it but I think athesists are so out of tune with the universe. Just sayin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jar (Post 371390)
I'm just saying that if people don't think there's more than this life, then they're outa touch with the universe.

Really?
can you please back this up with facts, figures, proofs, etc?
can you please explain exactly why athesists are out of touch?
and out of touch with what in the universe?

and
why would you feel a need to come in this thread to express this OPINION?
and
then say you were not trying to be rude?
perhaps thoughtless would be a better word


if there is a hell
I plan on and assume I will be there
next to a lot of people who didn't think they would be in the same hand basket as me

weatherboi 07-03-2011 06:38 PM

anyway....

I am an atheist. I am certain there is more out there but it doesn't come in the form of deities. I think the science world is so untapped and what we know today about infinite space is just the tip of the iceberg. THAT is my more!!!

WolfyOne 07-03-2011 06:38 PM

Religion or your belief in any form is always an interesting topic

I came here to read more on Atheists and find slamming others instead
As a person that likes to learn what others get out of their religion or belief, I'd appreciate it if someone would make some posts regarding the topic

I don't know much about Atheists other than they don't believe in God
I'll be back at another time to read more from the OP and other posters

tapu 07-03-2011 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jar (Post 371412)
I have been on b-f.com and this site for years. You can ask most anybody here tofu


And well-respected, I'm sure. Please, hold forth.

The_Lady_Snow 07-03-2011 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tapu (Post 371394)
Oh, good, Jar. We're glad you're back to offer that clarification.




Others, this to me, seems like a classic troll situation. Does anyone know this poster? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but it seems obvious that it's not a sincere effort, if you will.

No Jar is not a troll...

weatherboi 07-03-2011 06:47 PM

I also believe man created god not the other way around.

Jar 07-03-2011 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 371432)
No Jar is not a troll...

thank you LadySnow. I just have different beliefs as we all do

amiyesiam 07-03-2011 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfyOne (Post 371423)
Religion or your belief in any form is always an interesting topic

I came here to read more on Atheists and find slamming others instead
As a person that likes to learn what others get out of their religion or belief, I'd appreciate it if someone would make some posts regarding the topic

I don't know much about Atheists other than they don't believe in God
I'll be back at another time to read more from the OP and other posters

Hi Wolfy
like everyone else, atheists have feelings and don't like to have others say things that imply they are out of tune with things in life. Hence the negativity.
Personally I have spent to much time in my life defending others rights to believe as they chose to not comment on this.

What do atheists, agnostics, pagans, spiritualists, humanists, etc believe? As with any belief, what is believed varies from person to person.

Personally I am a lapsed Catholic, a nonbelieving one though. I am quiet comfortable not knowing. I am clueless about what happens after life and don't at my age feel a need to know. I find that the older I get the less need I have to have any type of religious belief. I understand that it won't change anything, at all, about how I live my life.
I have ethics and values, arrived at by rational thought and kindness. The most basic of these values will be found in the basics of ANY religious belief.
Then again, most of them could change based upon extreme situations.

I believe that the planet is "alive" in the sense that all its systems work together and it changes, evolves and grows.
I believe that it is wise to work in harmony with the planet and with each other.
I believe most people are basically good (psycopaths/sociopaths being the true exception)
I believe most people want the same basic things, acceptance, love, to live and grow, raise a family if they chose, and to find some semblance of happiness.
I believe there are many paths to truth. BY this I mean, if you need a god to tell you not to kill or you will go to hell ok, I can figure out that if I get to kill someone, then the next person gets to kill someone, and someone may decide to kill me, so it is probably not a good thing to kill.
however god can forgive the breaking of the thou shall not kill command, freeing believers from guilt. I have no such system in place. If I kill without extreme justification (like that person is going to kill me) then I will live with the guilt of my actions the rest of my life.

enough for now


The_Lady_Snow 07-03-2011 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jar (Post 371457)
thank you LadySnow. I just have different beliefs as we all do


You hit the nail on the head there Jar, we do have different beliefs, the term non believer annoys the hell out of me because frankly it's insulting and it insinuates that somehow atheists or agnostics or any one else other than those who believe in some Diety have no belief system. It's different than say the whole God created stuff in 7 days story.

I hope that Ms Jennifer's thread can continue to educate and give support to folks who have different thoughts, beliefs and ideals.

Thanks for coming back in and continuing to dialogue with everyone Jar:)

Corkey 07-03-2011 07:21 PM

I really have issues with anyone telling me I'm doing it wrong. I don't need the christian god to have high standards and values, I don't appreciate christians telling me that there is only one way to be, to think to feel and to believe, or not as the case may be. I do think that we all come to this life naked and empty needing to be clothed and educated. How we got here isn't as important as how I live my life authentically.
I will not force my belief system on anyone and I wont stand by while Atheists are told they are doing it wrong. I live by my tag line, it doesn't mean anyone else has to.


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