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J. Mason 08-18-2011 07:47 PM

Dating women with children, any thoughts?
 
Anyone else out there that date women with children, teens or adult kids? Do their children accept you or have there been any problems? I ask due to finding myself possibly wanting to be with a woman who has kids, I am just asking for stories or experiences from others as opinions. :glasses:

Corkey 08-18-2011 07:59 PM

On a site where there are women with kids your bound to bump into dating women with children. Her priorities are going to be her children, so keep that in mind and don't try to be their parent, you aren't. If and when she feels like your safe enough to be around her kids she'll let you know, but don't push it. That has been my experience with dating women with children.

Hope things work out for you, and welcome to the Planet.

J. Mason 08-18-2011 08:02 PM

Ty for the welcome!!! and Thanks for posting I wasn't expecting a post so fast lol!

Corkey 08-18-2011 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401125)
Ty for the welcome!!! and Thanks for posting I wasn't expecting a post so fast lol!

Welcome to the age of speed of communication LOL

Julie 08-18-2011 08:12 PM

As a woman who has children and who has dated/loved while raising children... (though mine are now 20, 21 & 22).

Just remember this - and hopefully she lives by this rule.

The kids come first. The kids always have to come first.
Depending on the ages of the kids -- Sex can be quite the challenge. So can dating. I can remember many a date or long weekend being cancelled due to illness, etc. You just have to always remain patient, loving and supportive.

And for god sake (experience) don't ever try and buy the kids (presents, etc) - They might LOVE it, but they will not respect you.

Good luck and take it slow. Kids are a wonderful wonderful gift -- but they can also be a challenge.

Julie

The_Lady_Snow 08-18-2011 08:16 PM

If you have a sports car, be prepared for handprints on the windows...
 
You are going to have to ask yourself how much you like kids, and if you don't like kids, then please don't date a woman with kids...

If you like them...

Be patient, be kind, know that a woman should and will always place her children first no matter what and if she doesn't you may wanna rethink that person.

Kids need to feel safe so don't be pushy, don't try to buy mom via the kids and most of all be ready for a roller coaster ride, kids are a like one of the most twisty, windy, up and down ride you have ever experienced but worth the wait in line..

Good luck!!!

J. Mason 08-18-2011 08:19 PM

Oh yeah no presents thats a given and respect is earned even by kids correct?

Julie 08-18-2011 08:27 PM

I always taught my kids this.
Actually, I felt it was important to keep them safe from predators.

RESPECT is a two way street. You do NOT have to respect someone because they are an adult. Even ADULTS need to earn your respect and you need to earn theirs. Of course, being polite is a different story.

Kids really are not puppies. They are complex little creatures with emotions and attachments. Sounds like a puppy -- except, you cannot leave them with just the water bowl filled. They require care and nurturing.

And please... If you are looking for the romantic idea of instant family - don't. There is nothing romantic about children. While they are gifts in our lives, they are never to be taken lightly.

Daywalker 08-18-2011 08:30 PM

I've had partners with youngenz before.

I had the fortune of being accepted by these awesome kids.
:hangloose:

To co-parent thru potty training, teachers meetings, and yes...even
fighting for full custody (we won!); those opportunities and experiences
can never be replaced and I feel fortunate to have been
able to be a part of their lives.

The hardest part is when the relationship ends.

Needless to say one of my Exes used the child as a pawn in attempt to
reconcile. That was a no-no, and it only hurts the child. I have not seen
her child in years now, which is sad. My other Ex never pulled that game,
and I have seen how beautiful her daughter grew up to be.

Anyway, if you are willing to be selfless and dedicate time and patience
with the children that is great. Do not...ever feel jealousy over the Mom's
love for the children. It is a different love that no one else can get in front of.
Nor should they.

:coffee:

Wishing you well in your endeavors.

:daywalker:

J. Mason 08-18-2011 08:33 PM

Thanks to all who have posted so far, I look forward to seeing more posts on this subject.

OS Butch 08-18-2011 08:42 PM

As a parent of a now 21 yo, When she was younger, I never introduced mine to anyone I dated immediately. If I were dating today, I would not hesitate to introduce my date to her....she actually probably has a better incite to me than I do myself. For me, I would see a red flag if a person of interest to me wanted to introduce me to her child/ren.
There are many things to consider, especially because kids come 1st, if they don't....Again, Red Flag for me.
Ageist as it sounds, at 54, I would not consider dating anyone with a pre-teen. That brings many things into play that I don't think I have the capacity to handle.....co-parenting would be a biggie in my book.
Lots to consider...especially if you have no experience with kids. It can be done, it is just different than dating with no children.

OSB

lillith 08-18-2011 08:45 PM

I have been on both sides of this coin. I have an ex who demanded that I send my son to boarding school. Needless to say, within 20 seconds of that comment, she was gone. I have dated someone who liked hanging out with my kid more than me. I have also dated someone with kids. She had amazing kids, but she was not on the safe side to date. I think there are a lot of factors to consider, but I think it is wise to watch how she interacts with her child(ren). If she does not place them first, then I can safely say, she will never put you first at any point. If she is too protective, then the relationship will not blossom. It is a fine balance; everyone needs to be able to juggle while remaining as flexible as possible. There are certainly going to be challenging moments, but remember, they are just moments; they will pass. Also remember, there is nothing on earth like the love of a child. So be sincere, honest, respectable, trustworthy, and kind. You will get back all this and more from the mother and the child(ren).

Glenn 08-18-2011 08:59 PM

My wife had a beautiful 2 year old daughter when I met her. I still don't know which one I love more, or loves me more:) Of course you can get babysitters to go out and be alone like we did. But most of the time, our dates consisted of going on trips together,thezoo, museums, home movies and board games,trick or treating, teaching them stuff you learned, school things like sports/concerts, parent-teacher meetings, circuses, kids birthday parties, friends sleeping over, movies, eating out, malls, etc.

J. Mason 08-18-2011 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by popcorninthesofa (Post 401178)
My wife had a beautiful 2 year old daughter when I met her. I still don't know which one I love more:) Of course you can get babysitters to go out and be alone like we did. But most of the time, my dates consisted of going on trips together,thezoo, museums, home movies and board games,trick or treating, teaching them stuff you learned, school things like sports/concerts, parent-teacher meetings, circuses, kids birthday parties, friends sleeping over, movies.etc.you get the picture?

Oh yes I do. I have dated women with small children before it didn't work out too well due to the kid's father being in the picture. This particular woman I speak of now has 15 year old twin boys and I have never been up to par on what to do with teenagers.

The_Lady_Snow 08-18-2011 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401179)
Oh yes I do. I have dated women with small children before it didn't work out too well due to the kid's father being in the picture. This particular woman I speak of now has 15 year old twin boys and I have never been up to par on what to do with teenagers.



Funny thing with kids is they come with another set of family besides the mother and the mother's side... That's something that is between them, you're not to speak ugly of other said parent in front of child for that is speaking ill of them. Teen agers aren't a picnic, they are one boundary setting after another, remember being one? They are going to push... It's part of their journey it's up to the parental units to set clear boundaries and lines of respect amongst the family unit..... You are coming into their family and have to remember they are going to let you in or not.

Good Luck and be patient..

J. Mason 08-18-2011 09:12 PM

Yup lots of patience and if I do go meet her she already told me I am meeting them. Just no clue on how to mingle with them and what they like to do except eat LOL.

Oh lawd me as a teenger, now that's another story in itself.

moxie 08-18-2011 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401183)
Yup lots of patience and if I do go meet her she already told me I am meeting them. Just no clue on how to mingle with them and what they like to do except eat LOL.

Oh lawd me as a teenger, now that's another story in itself.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, and please tell me if I am incorrect, but it sounds like the first time you meet her you will be meeting the kids too. Is this correct?

The_Lady_Snow 08-18-2011 09:19 PM

TO SOON FOR DAT!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by puregrrl (Post 401188)
Maybe I am reading too much into it, and please tell me if I am incorrect, but it sounds like the first time you meet her you will be meeting the kids too. Is this correct?




J. Mason 08-18-2011 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puregrrl (Post 401188)
Maybe I am reading too much into it, and please tell me if I am incorrect, but it sounds like the first time you meet her you will be meeting the kids too. Is this correct?

Yes you are correct. I think she has spoken to the boys about me in good context and I have never given her any reason to not trust me. Ohhh and this is someone who is NOT on this site, just to clear things up.

dixie 08-18-2011 09:21 PM

I have a teenage son. I am very picky about who he meets. I most definitely would not introduce him to someone the first time I was meeting them myself. Perhaps I am over-protective. Usually I have to be seriously dating the person before introductions are made to any member of my family, for that matter. I figure that I need to know the person well and have a relationship (or intention of one) before I will take the risk of my son getting involved and possibly attached.

The_Lady_Snow 08-18-2011 09:23 PM

[QUOTE=J. Mason;401197]Yes you are correct. I think she has spoken to the boys about me in good context and I have never given her any reason to not trust me. Ohhh and this is someone who is NOT on this site, just to clear things up.[/QUt


I would think you would want to hang out with Mom first without the kids being involved, you don't even know if you can hang with this relationship why expose the kids? If you aren't gonna stick around for a long time there is no sense in meeting the kids until some kind of relationship or friendship is built and has some steady foundation. I could be wrong though...:|

J. Mason 08-18-2011 09:26 PM

Oh of course I do wanna spend time with the mom without the boys thats a given.

moxie 08-18-2011 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401197)
Yes you are correct. I think she has spoken to the boys about me in good context and I have never given her any reason to not trust me. Ohhh and this is someone who is NOT on this site, just to clear things up.

I can tell you from personal experience of being the child of a single mother who dated a lot and men were introduced quickly and often it was VERY confusing and hurt a lot when the relationship didn't go anywhere. Children are very resilient but at the same time, it is not fair to bring people into their lives that may not be there for the long haul. Kids don't understand the complexities.

J. Mason 08-18-2011 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puregrrl (Post 401203)
I can tell you from personal experience of being the child of a single mother who dated a lot and men were introduced quickly and often it was VERY confusing and hurt a lot when the relationship didn't go anywhere. Children are very resilient but at the same time, it is not fair to bring people into their lives that may not be there for the long haul. Kids don't understand the complexities.

Wow I didn't think about it like that, which makes me wonder why she doesn't mind me meeting the boys right off.

dixie 08-18-2011 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401197)
Yes you are correct. I think she has spoken to the boys about me in good context and I have never given her any reason to not trust me. Ohhh and this is someone who is NOT on this site, just to clear things up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 401199)

I would think you would want to hang out with Mom first without the kids being involved, you don't even know if you can hang with this relationship why expose the kids? If you aren't gonna stick around for a long time there is no sense in meeting the kids until some kind of relationship or friendship is built and has some steady foundation. I could be wrong though...:|

I have to agree with Snow. There's never a guarantee how things will go in a first meeting, even if things seem perfect beforehand. I don't understand why someone would want to expose their children right off the bat to someone who may not (hopefully may) be a presence in their lives. Also, perhaps it's just me, but I think especially first meetings should be focused on the two individuals. Y'all need time together and alone to talk and get to know one another in person. With children present it will be harder to accomplish this and may give a false sense of things, if you will.

The_Lady_Snow 08-18-2011 09:30 PM

That's all I have to say about this subject tonight
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401202)
Oh of course I do wanna spend time with the mom without the boys thats a given.


Maybe until you and her have some form of solid relationship or friendship, the kids should be kept out. It's only fair to them. Just a suggestion:)

Corkey 08-18-2011 09:33 PM

I'm kind of wondering if perhaps she isn't as comfortable and is bringing the teenagers with for emotional back up. Which if the case would send up a red flag for me. Not that I know her or you but it's kind of well, weird.

J. Mason 08-18-2011 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 401207)
Maybe until you and her have some form of solid relationship or friendship, the kids should be kept out. It's only fair to them. Just a suggestion:)

I appreciate that, I made this thread for alot of open suggestions and opinions on the whole topic, I am glad to see positive posts.

RadiantYearning 08-18-2011 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401179)
Oh yes I do. I have dated women with small children before it didn't work out too well due to the kid's father being in the picture. This particular woman I speak of now has 15 year old twin boys and I have never been up to par on what to do with teenagers.

I have three children ... they are 18, 15 and 5. I'm incredibly open with my children and I don't hide my affection for my partners from them because I refuse to give them a reason to ever feel ashamed of who their mother is or who I love. It kills me when people, especially parents, cry and complain about acceptance when they themselves aren't even proud enough of who they are to share all of their lives with their kids. I understand special circumstances and I don't pretend to always be right or understand every situation ... I only know that very often it's the parents themselves who plant the seeds of shame in their own kids.

That being said, kids, especially teenagers, can sniff out a phony faster than a bloodhound!! Everyone who said don't try to buy the kids couldn't have been more dead on. Sure, the kids will enjoy whatever it is you spoil them with but they will absolutely see right through you and the best you can hope for then will be polite manipulation. My best advice is to be genuine and take the time to get to know the kids. Spend time with them and let them know that you sincerely accept them as part of the package. Respect is indeed a two way street, especially with teenagers who are quickly approaching young adulthood. Respect that these boys are their mother's first priority in the world regardless of their age and know that the way you treat their mom will directly impact your relationship with them and thus your relationship with her! Also know that if you attempt to compete with them, you will lose so don't try ... there are so many different ways to love, strive to make the love between the two of you special while accepting that the love between a mother and her children is always paramount.

Tcountry 08-18-2011 11:47 PM

$.02 from T
 
Dating 101: :blink:
  • How long have you been talking and what are the current intentions?If you have been talking for a long time and the delay in the first meeting is because of distance...
    If intentions are long term
    If you have actually had a phone convo with the kids
  • What is the event schedule for this first meeting?Are you meeting mother and kids for dinner and then getting "us time" with just the mother?
  • How old are the kids and how out/open is the mother?The kids are teenagers, the mom could be very open with them. They could be, like Radiant indicated, the BS meters...lol
    Younger kids attach easier and faster (or the ones I have met)
    How close is mom to the kids father? How close are the kids?
  • What is the mother's thought process as to your meeting the kids, and what would you be introduced as?Why is she wanting you to meet them first meeting?
    Will you be her "friend", someone she wants to date, etc etc...?

    AND these are just the questions I can think of at the moment.
    A lot of it has to do with the mother and her intentions and actions/feelings...not only about you but about dating and about her kids.
    I have been in a relationship where the father lived in the same town and we all celebrated major holidays together...
    I have talked to one lady and during one of the first phone convos talked to her teenage daughter(by daughter's request)...

    It is all relivant and every family is as different as every individual person here...I would advise you to keep communication honest and clear before during and after first meeting.

    IF you have any doubts or hesitations...please voice them BEFORE you ever meet the kids.

    All the living together, and parenting, and stuff like that advise would come later...lol

    That is all I have for now.... *tip hat* good luck!


always2late 08-19-2011 12:21 AM

After reading the posts, as a mom, I'd like to add my two cents. From what was written, it seems that you will be meeting the kids the first time the two of you meet. No disrespect towards you or your date, but I don't think that's such a good idea. I've never let my son meet anyone I've dated on our first date, and especially not the first time I've ever met in person. Again, this is not meant to be disrespectful, but you never REALLY know someone until you spend some actual face-time with them. I just think a first meeting is way too soon to involve the kids.

Mtn 08-19-2011 01:50 AM

I was blessed with three beautiful children out of relationships, all when they were about 5, they remain MINE to this day, (Laura RIP), They were always first, and responded to the love they felt all around. As I have gotten older and been with women with adult children, they have become mine as well, and I cherish those relationships. I have always understood my place, and respected their relationships with their Mom. Syl has a 15 and 18 yr old, and we are developing relationships. Some days are good and some days are not,lol. Be real, be PRESENT, respect everyone, and understand that no matter how old they are they will call crying and YOUR needs will not matter a hooot. Best of luck!

jelli 08-19-2011 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401179)
Oh yes I do. I have dated women with small children before it didn't work out too well due to the kid's father being in the picture. This particular woman I speak of now has 15 year old twin boys and I have never been up to par on what to do with teenagers.

The father being in the picture is not always a bad situation. Just sayin'.

J. Mason 08-19-2011 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jelli (Post 401337)
The father being in the picture is not always a bad situation. Just sayin'.

no it's not but when he says negative things about you to the kids there is a problem, IMO

jelli 08-19-2011 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401338)
no it's not but when he says negative things about you to the kids there is a problem, IMO


I am just stating the father doesn't automatically equal a bad situation. It's more effective for all concerned to judge it on a case by case basis.

J. Mason 08-19-2011 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jelli (Post 401339)

I am just stating the father doesn't automatically equal a bad situation. It's more effective for all concerned to judge it on a case by case basis.

True, I didn't mean for my post to come across as seeming like a bad situation.

jelli 08-19-2011 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadiantYearning (Post 401215)
I have three children ... they are 18, 15 and 5. I'm incredibly open with my children and I don't hide my affection for my partners from them because I refuse to give them a reason to ever feel ashamed of who their mother is or who I love. It kills me when people, especially parents, cry and complain about acceptance when they themselves aren't even proud enough of who they are to share all of their lives with their kids. I understand special circumstances and I don't pretend to always be right or understand every situation ... I only know that very often it's the parents themselves who plant the seeds of shame in their own kids.

That being said, kids, especially teenagers, can sniff out a phony faster than a bloodhound!! Everyone who said don't try to buy the kids couldn't have been more dead on. Sure, the kids will enjoy whatever it is you spoil them with but they will absolutely see right through you and the best you can hope for then will be polite manipulation. My best advice is to be genuine and take the time to get to know the kids. Spend time with them and let them know that you sincerely accept them as part of the package. Respect is indeed a two way street, especially with teenagers who are quickly approaching young adulthood. Respect that these boys are their mother's first priority in the world regardless of their age and know that the way you treat their mom will directly impact your relationship with them and thus your relationship with her! Also know that if you attempt to compete with them, you will lose so don't try ... there are so many different ways to love, strive to make the love between the two of you special while accepting that the love between a mother and her children is always paramount.


The statement about the kids being like bloodhounds... If that were true than why do we have all the issues with breakups, dating, etc?

jelli 08-19-2011 05:04 AM

I am a mother of 5, yes 5. I met my partner, Cruel, 9 years ago. Cruel had no children and was pretty sure would not date someone that had children. Boy, did I *show* her....lol Cruel knew of my kids right away, but did not meet them for a couple months. We dated, we got to know one another as best we could, but I am not sure one can ever prepare themselves enough - only as best as possible.

Cruel and I had talks about parenting skill, issues we might face that possibly could cause conflict, boundaries, money, education, employment, etc.

We found situations periodically that caused conflict or caused us to examine what was behind the way we were feeling/thinking/acting. We sought out counseling at one point and it was such a turning point. This didn't have so much to do with the issues at hand, but more in the way we were communicating ourselves.

We have had to deal with a father that was constantly surfacing in a neg. light and the feelings that brought about for our kids and in turn us.

One thing we agree that we never discussed was the age of the kids when we started our relationship and how their development(in many areas) and level of maturity may also play a role in how they accept/deny a relationship or the incoming partner.

I have the utmost respect and admiration for the task my Cruel took on and the growth that has taken place over the years. We are better individuals because of each other and because of that fact we are a better couple and better parenting unit.

I am a firm believer in getting to know the person face to face and taking your time to do so. When and if the time is right then meet the kids. Get to know the kids slowly and in doing so experience how the parent is with their child(ren). Perhaps you won't like how they interact with one another. Perhaps it will bring up some issues from your own childhood/past. Prepare yourself for the fact the parent could like you, but the kids not so much.

Then what???

No matter what you two adults choose to do please remember the kids are impacted by everything. Of course they are resilient beings, but sometimes they are unnecessarily involved in situations or decisions that could've been put off until a more appropriate time or avoided altogether.

LaneyDoll 08-19-2011 07:38 AM

As someone with kids, I have a few thoughts as they relate to me and my children...
*rather than gifts, my kids would prefer time/attention, but only if it is shared in a genuine manner; but if you must present a gift, make it one that shows you put some thought and effort into it. Do NOT buy any gift that adds to my expenses. A puppy is cute & all but I have to pay a pet deposit of $400 if you show up with one.
*ALL ages of kids have their good & bad times; my 13 year old is probably easier to be around than my 7 year old b/c my oldest can sit and have an intelligent conversation with you while my 7 year old won't have much to talk about beyond 7 year old things
*my kids come first-period. But my situation is different. My kids go to their dad's place on "his weekends" and they go visit my mom on "my weekends." So, I actually have a decent amount of alone/adult time.
*I do not expect someone to be a surrogate parent. My children have a mother and a father and both are present in the kids lives. Anyone else should be a friend, role model, confidant etc. Not that they are less important, they just have a different place in the kids lives.
*I struggle with how soon someone meets my kids. A friend once advised that I let people meet the kids early on, to establish that my kids ARE part of my life. But, on the other hand, I am pretty protective. Anyone who meets my kids early on is introduced as "my friend."

Families are well worth the investment in time/effort. But not everyone is made to date a family. I have dated women in the past who just could not handle it and things ended. And I respect them for having gotten out when they did, rather than everyone be miserable.


:sparklyheart:

LaneyDoll 08-19-2011 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 401338)
no it's not but when he says negative things about you to the kids there is a problem, IMO

Seems to me that the problem here is with the father, not the kids. Your s/o needs to address this issue-both with the father & the children. She may not be able to change the father's attitude but maybe she can use it in a lesson to the kids of "how people sometimes are hurt or angry and they say mean, untrue things about other people." The main thing is to not sink to that level & say mean things in return. Kids are not pawns.


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