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WheatToast 09-05-2018 09:35 PM

Kavenaugh OMG
 
Has anyone been watching the confirmation hearings, where the GOP is attempting to affirm Brett Kavenaugh as the next Supreme Court justice?
I have never seen a more blatant attempt by Republicans to force their will on American citizens.
To save time, he is AGAINST everything most women, Democrats and sane people are FOR, and he's FOR issues that would outlaw a woman's right to have an abortion, things that would be bad for the environment, workers, the first amendment, sensible gun laws, and other issues that would allow Trump to further destabilize everything he touches, thinks about, or whatever else Putin tells him to do.
Perhaps his worst position would be to make it illegal to investigate, subpoena, impeach, indict or convict a president of anything while in office.

homoe 09-05-2018 11:22 PM

YES, I've been taping it tho mostly! I LOVED LOVED LOVED how Mazie Hirono handled him!

Of course even tho I extended the recording by an hour and a half it cut off right as Kamala Harris was starting to grill him!


I'm taping off of C-Span to avoid all the needless chatter by commentaries..

WheatToast 09-06-2018 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by homoe (Post 1224215)
YES, I've been taping it tho mostly! I LOVED LOVED LOVED how Mazie Hirono handled him!

Of course even tho I extended the recording by an hour and a half it cut off right as Kamala Harris was starting to grill him!


I'm taping off of C-Span to avoid all the needless chatter by commentaries..

Good idea--C-Span is easier to watch.
The latest is, Kavenaugh has referred to birth control pills as "abortion inducing drugs."
It's a stunning new revelation.:|

Lyte 09-06-2018 05:05 PM

I catch bits and pieces. I'd like to sit and watch it but can't. It'll just piss me off.

I wondered WTF was going with the interaction between Fred Guttenberg and Kavanaugh. Here's the deal...


Parkland dad Fred Guttenberg describes Kavanaugh interaction

Martina 09-06-2018 05:06 PM

I haven't been watching it, but I been getting all these "donate to me" emails from Kamala and Corey. Kavenaugh is going to be confirmed. The Dems are just posturing for 2020 or for the upcoming midterms. I am disgusted with them. Even so I'd vote for Kamala. Not Corey Booker though. He's owned by big Pharm. I'd vote third party first.

homoe 09-07-2018 07:11 PM

Wheat, didn't you just love it when he was grilled about filling out a two page form ...:lol2:

CherylNYC 09-08-2018 09:05 AM

Kamala Harris was impressive, as was Maize Hirono. I also thought Booker was legit and brave. I don't agree with everything he's done, (true of everyone in politics), but I think publicly releasing the confidential emails took courage and strong political will. Because of Booker's actions that hypocrite weasel, Grassley, can no longer make bogus national security claims about withholding Kavanaugh's records.

I'm in (political) love with Kamala this week. Damn, she's a tough prosecutor. Sadly, I agree with Martina. Despite how beautiful Kamala is in action, the Republicans are going to get their wish and Trump will have hired his own partisan judge.

CherylNYC 09-08-2018 09:25 AM

So, even though I'm a strong feminist and pro-choice advocate I don't think Kavanaugh's hostility towards women's autonomy is the most solid case against his appointment. Honoring settled law is an important concept, but the SCOTUS upheld anti-sodomy laws in 1986. That was 'settled law' for many years. Not that I'm equating the two, but I don't think a philosophy of rigid adherence to settled law is a good way to choose jurists because then we're mired in arguments about which settled laws we're inclined to keep.

Kavanaugh has perjured himself more than a few times. That's why the White House and the Senate Judiciary Committee have so zealously tried to keep his records secret. Kavanaugh is a fervent partisan who had no trouble promoting sordid conspiracy theories about Vince Foster's suicide, for instance. He has also sanctimoniously claimed that anyone who has ever committed perjury, (Bill Clinton), is unfit to serve. This article succinctly sums up the obvious:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...-hearings.html

WheatToast 09-08-2018 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CherylNYC (Post 1224452)
So, even though I'm a strong feminist and pro-choice advocate I don't think Kavanaugh's hostility towards women's autonomy is the most solid case against his appointment. Honoring settled law is an important concept, but the SCOTUS upheld anti-sodomy laws in 1986. That was 'settled law' for many years. Not that I'm equating the two, but I don't think a philosophy of rigid adherence to settled law is a good way to choose jurists because then we're mired in arguments about which settled laws we're inclined to keep.

Kavanaugh has perjured himself more than a few times. That's why the White House and the Senate Judiciary Committee have so zealously tried to keep his records secret. Kavanaugh is a fervent partisan who had no trouble promoting sordid conspiracy theories about Vince Foster's suicide, for instance. He has also sanctimoniously claimed that anyone who has ever committed perjury, (Bill Clinton), is unfit to serve. This article succinctly sums up the obvious:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...-hearings.html

Wow, Cheryl in NYC! I'm very impressed with the way you write! If you aren't an attorney, I'll bet you would have been a great one. Maybe a prosecutor in the Southern District of New York? They are fierce!

As for Kavenaugh, whenever I hear that someone may be of questionable character --on TV or even in person, I love to observe--okay, I mean obsessively scrutinize their behavior for telltale signs that confirm their shady reputations.
If anyone has a chance to see him again on TV, see if you notice that his smile seems genuine only for his fellow white, middle aged Republican pals, but otherwise you can tell he's a phony because his lips may be smiling, but his eyes look condescending, cold and malevolent.
When Kamala Harris started bearing down on him, he shot a look at her that could have melted paint off a car.
Clearly he does not appreciate assertive women, especially those of color.

A. Spectre 09-09-2018 07:26 AM

Yes, Kavanaugh did say that birth control pills were "abortion inducing drugs."

So, that begs the question as to why does he and his wife of 14 years only have two children? One may assume having marital sex for over 14 years with no birth control, they would have at least 5 or 6 children.

Senators Collins and Murkowski can stop this madness. I have been calling both offices multiple times a day. Please get involved and vote, OUR lives depends on it. This is not hyperbole!

homoe 09-24-2018 07:43 AM

Fasten your seat-belt there Brett, you're in for a bumpy ride this week...:hangloose:

WheatToast 09-24-2018 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. Spectre (Post 1224507)
Yes, Kavanaugh did say that birth control pills were "abortion inducing drugs."



Meanwhile, it seems Kavenaugh is a weenie-wagger, and women are coming out of the woodwork from his past saying what a perve he is.
Trump still backs him (naturally) but there are serious doubts this bastard will be appointed as the newest SCOTUS justice.
There's not enough time before the midterm elections for the GOP to try to cram the next loser down our throats, and the midterms may really turn the tables on these women-hating creeps.

Martina 09-25-2018 01:18 AM

I think Collins is going to support the nomination unless something totally scandalous gets announced Wednesday. Who knows? Anyway, Collins looks to me like she's already decided.

nhplowboi 09-25-2018 08:53 AM

I just typed Kavenaugh and liar onto the net and was disgusted by what I found. This man has NO credibility and I pray he is not confirmed. Oh and I would like to see him lose his current day job. Are we really paying him a 6 figure salary to adjudicate cases when he apparently has such a bad memory (ahem liar). Really Brett......you were a virgin for ALL those years?! Tell that to your mom but not an adult who has lived a reasonably normal life.

~ocean 09-25-2018 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by nhplowboi (Post 1226067)
I just typed Kavenaugh and liar onto the net and was disgusted by what I found. This man has NO credibility and I pray he is not confirmed. Oh and I would like to see him lose his current day job. Are we really paying him a 6 figure salary to adjudicate cases when he apparently has such a bad memory (ahem liar). Really Brett......you were a virgin for ALL those years?! Tell that to your mom but not an adult who has lived a reasonably normal life.

Kavenaugh = KKK just my impression of him

homoe 09-26-2018 07:09 PM

"squeal like a pig".......
 
...

I'm just wondering if the tables were turned, how many of the good ole white men on the Judicial Committee would step forward and admit to having been sexually assaulted as Ned Beatty's character was in Deliverance?

Perhaps walking a mile in one of these female's shoes would cure them not to be so quick to judge and dismiss!

FireSignFemme 09-26-2018 10:57 PM

I have no idea why anyone in dire straights, as mired in deep shit as Kavenaugh is, would think having Trump back and support him would be any kind of helpful at all. And his wife, wow. How seriously pathetic is that.


Martina 09-26-2018 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by homoe (Post 1226241)
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I'm just wondering if the tables were turned, how many of the good ole white men on the Judicial Committee would step forward and admit to having been sexually assaulted as Ned Beatty's character was in Deliverance?

Perhaps walking a mile in one of these female's shoes would cure them not to be so quick to judge and dismiss!

What the fuck?? You think sexual assault is funny? The heading of your post is squeal like a pig? Are you kidding me??? I know it's from the movie, but in this context, it's vile. Have you no common sense??

nhplowboi 09-27-2018 10:33 AM

Now we know Homoe is not like that! :) AND where are you…..the hearing is on and I want to rant? Get in here.....lol.

kittygrrl 09-27-2018 10:42 AM

i've always known homoe to be a gentlebutch. I also wish the men on this council could experience 1/10 what it feels like to be a victim of sexual assault. It is life numbing and i don't believe anyone can truly understand the trauma on a woman's mind & life unless personally experienced.

Esme nha Maire 09-27-2018 12:59 PM

I heard the testimony of the latest woman to step forward and accuse Kavenaugh on BBC Radio on the college minibus as I was on my way home today. That was not, IMHO, the voice or tale of a woman making things up or politically motivated. That, I believe, was the voice of a woman recounting events that actually happened, and a damned intelligent one at that.

I so hope that the USA somehow finds it within itself to reform its political system so that it no longer has the best government that money can buy* - because that so clearly is the reason why and how America is in the dire situation that it is in today. I find it rich that Trump referred to other nations as shitholes, considering he seems hellbent on turning the USA into a mediaeval shithole dictatorship as rapidly as he can.

* The UK's problem is that we have the second best government that money can buy. Sadly,our Tory party seem to be doing their best to try to be as awful as Trump. Luckily, they're not quite managing it.

Admin 09-27-2018 03:39 PM

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But also? Folks in this discussion need to make sure they are being respectful and reverent. This discussion centers around the very serious issue of sexual assault, of which *I* am a survivor as are WAY too many members of this site.

This thread has not been declared a "safe space" but I would hope on a site full of women, people of a female experience, and people who have lived as women that we realize the impact of the Kavanaugh hearing and what is might mean for all of us if this abusive shitpile is confirmed to the Supreme Court.

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BermieSwim 09-27-2018 04:16 PM

Did they just fire the only woman on their team in the middle of her job?

Also look at every woman's face in there today. That's what they should be showing on the news.

nhplowboi 09-27-2018 04:18 PM

Did they put vodka in Kavenaugh's water glass? HIs little tic of drinking, um water, is a hell of a tell about his nervousness.

~ocean 09-27-2018 09:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nhplowboi (Post 1226341)
Did they put vodka in Kavenaugh's water glass? HIs little tic of drinking, um water, is a hell of a tell about his nervousness.

I bet Dr. Ford not once even thought of the democratic and republican side of her experience. Personally I feel that if Kavanaugh was truly innocent he wouldn't have danced around the question if he would want an FBI investigation. He's not a judge he's a dancer and a dancer dance's ~ oops he fell lololol ** sniffs glass ** hmm vodka don't have a scent but this lime is potent.

Chad 09-28-2018 06:50 AM

Kavanaugh
 
I watched the entire hearing yesterday. I thought that Dr. Ford was trustworthy, articulate, and gave an honest account of her horrific experience.

I found Kavanagh to be aggressive, angry, and belligerent. Actually, that is exactly how his classmates described him drunk in his youth.
I will be very disappointed and even angry if he is placed on the Supreme Court.

Just my thoughts here.

Martina 09-28-2018 12:13 PM

Flake is voting yes in committee but the word is he's trying to trade that for a brief FBI investigation. That will probably change things. I read Collins' offices are swamped, but I also read that Republican white women in Maine are conflicted. Jeez. I still think he'll get the job, but this is a nail biter.

Martina 09-28-2018 12:42 PM

So Murkowski just said her vote is dependent on a one week delay for an FBI investigation. That's it. Flake and she can block the appointment. People must be talking to McConnell and the White House now to set this up. I wonder how Donald can try to make it sound like it's his idea to bring the fbi in.

Lyte 09-28-2018 01:30 PM

I watched the entire thing yesterday … her four hours and his... I don't know how long. What a complete cluster f*ck! I don't think I can watch anymore … pissess me off just too much!

There was a time when I could respect Republican views … positions on certain subjects. I didn't agree with most of the their views, but I could at least respect their earnest beliefs. Now?! F*ck... WTF is wrong with those people??? :seeingstars:

WheatToast 09-28-2018 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martina (Post 1226402)
Flake is voting yes in committee but the word is he's trying to trade that for a brief FBI investigation. That will probably change things. I read Collins' offices are swamped, but I also read that Republican white women in Maine are conflicted. Jeez. I still think he'll get the job, but this is a nail biter.

In my opinion, one week is all the FBI will need to totally discredit the beer drinkin' judge, because the FBI knows this Kavenaugh clown was chosen by Trump strictly because he's written about how he thinks no president should be investigated, impeached, indicted or anything while he's in office.
The FBI has enough axes to grind; they will happily expose Kavenaugh as a black out drunk who forgets his habit of raping (or attempting to rape) women while he's under the influence.
If you watched his rebuttal after Dr. Ford gave her testimony yesterday, you would have seen him come unglued, badger a female senator, and question male senators, as in, "No, I am not a problem drinker, ARE YOU? Well, are you?" He's a judge, and he pulls that kind of crap?
Just his rage issues alone should disqualify him.
The guy is so nuts, his antics took Trump off the front page, for once.
This morning Trump said if the Senate leaders wanted the FBI to get involved, he was fine with it.
Even Trump may realize this guy has no up-side.:blink:

WheatToast 09-28-2018 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martina (Post 1226404)
So Murkowski just said her vote is dependent on a one week delay for an FBI investigation. That's it. Flake and she can block the appointment. People must be talking to McConnell and the White House now to set this up. I wonder how Donald can try to make it sound like it's his idea to bring the fbi in.

Once the FBI confirms that the guy is a drunk and a big, fat liar, (as they are motivated to do) the GOP-led committee can still vote to confirm him if Trump scares them into it, but without Flake and Murkowski's vote they can't win. This is a lose/lose deal for the GOP, but these cheaters deserve to get knocked back after they stole a SCOTUS pick from Obama.
Their sanctimony only made them seem like even more arrogant cheaters. By the mid-terms, if everyone who needs to vote wakes up and does it...it'll be KABOOM for the reicht wing.:cowboy:

tantalizingfemme 09-28-2018 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WheatToast (Post 1226408)
In my opinion, one week is all the FBI will need to totally discredit the beer drinkin' judge, because the FBI knows this Kavenaugh clown was chosen by Trump strictly because he's written about how he thinks no president should be investigated, impeached, indicted or anything while he's in office.
The FBI has enough axes to grind; they will happily expose Kavenaugh as a black out drunk who forgets his habit of raping (or attempting to rape) women while he's under the influence.
If you watched his rebuttal after Dr. Ford gave her testimony yesterday, you would have seen him come unglued, badger a female senator, and question male senators, as in, "No, I am not a problem drinker, ARE YOU? Well, are you?" He's a judge, and he pulls that kind of crap?
Just his rage issues alone should disqualify him.
The guy is so nuts, his antics took Trump off the front page, for once.
This morning Trump said if the Senate leaders wanted the FBI to get involved, he was fine with it.
Even Trump may realize this guy has no up-side.:blink:

Even with all of this, I still think he will get voted in. Every day is a shit show, and I stopped asking myself when are certain people going to finally see it because it is beyond that at this point. There is an absolute blatant disregard of Trump's behavior, and Kavanaugh's behavior. They Don't Care. They want what they want because they want it.

I would so love to be wrong, but I will have to see it actually happen to believe it. So while I wait, I hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

Lyte 09-28-2018 04:45 PM

Rachel Mitchell?? Oh yeah! I didn't catch it immediately! I was... what just happened??? WTF are all the dude's talking now??? lol


I heard later it was right when she started asking him about a specific date in his printed schedule. Something about him meeting up with is other buddies … some of which Ford had named … possibly for a party? I didn't hear all that was stated. I was trying to watch and work at the same time. Shrug! :blink:



Quote:

Originally Posted by BermieSwim (Post 1226340)
Did they just fire the only woman on their team in the middle of her job?

Also look at every woman's face in there today. That's what they should be showing on the news.


WheatToast 09-28-2018 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tantalizingfemme (Post 1226415)
Even with all of this, I still think he will get voted in. Every day is a shit show, and I stopped asking myself when are certain people going to finally see it because it is beyond that at this point. There is an absolute blatant disregard of Trump's behavior, and Kavanaugh's behavior. They Don't Care. They want what they want because they want it.

I would so love to be wrong, but I will have to see it actually happen to believe it. So while I wait, I hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

You may be right, but IMO, with the entire staff of the FBI authorized to dig up dirt on Judge Brett Budweiser by acting director Rod Rosenstein, I suspect they will do whatever it takes to squeeze his buddy Mr. Judge into admitting that his book character, Bart O' Kavenaugh, the drunken car puker was modeled on Brett Kavenaugh. Not much of a leap, ey?
Though the Senate GOP are pretending that one week won't make a difference in getting this guy on the SCOTUS bench, they are leaving out the motivation the FBI will have in nailing this loser.
Add to that, Trump's sudden laissez-faire in "allowing" the FBI to start digging, tells me the guy is already under Trump's bus.
If Trump was willing to be this passive about the FBI checking into his get out of jail free judge, think of what Trump must already know about the guy. Trump suddenly finding someone distasteful is like making a maggot gag on something even worse than a maggot.
Something seems verrrry fishy about this latest twist.

Lyte 09-28-2018 04:58 PM

Oh, I'm sure not a one! It's hard enough for women to come forward when sexually assaulted. I think … I think... that the ridicule … the victim blaming … etc... etc... would be amplified if it happened to a man. Because, you know... what kind of real man... let's himself get assaulted?

I doubt most of them could even imagine, if only for a moment, just to empathize, being a victim of a sexual assault. It's utterly beyond their comprehension. Such things don't happen to real men!! SMH :|



Quote:

Originally Posted by homoe (Post 1226241)
...

I'm just wondering if the tables were turned, how many of the good ole white men on the Judicial Committee would step forward and admit to having been sexually assaulted as Ned Beatty's character was in Deliverance?

Perhaps walking a mile in one of these female's shoes would cure them not to be so quick to judge and dismiss!


Lyte 09-28-2018 05:07 PM

I watched the whole thing too. Kinda which I didn't … just ended up pissed the rest of the day.

RE: K's behavior.... very typical of someone who knows they're in the shit and has no relevant … logical … evidence … facts … whatever … to prove their innocence. So, instead they try to convince you of their innocence with the only thing they do have, emotion … anger ... indignation … hurt feelings... shock... dismay... back to a anger again... martyrdom … yadda … yadda … yadda… and they'll go through those emotions again and again and again … because they have nothing else.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 1226382)
I watched the entire hearing yesterday. I thought that Dr. Ford was trustworthy, articulate, and gave an honest account of her horrific experience.

I found Kavanagh to be aggressive, angry, and belligerent. Actually, that is exactly how his classmates described him drunk in his youth.
I will be very disappointed and even angry if he is placed on the Supreme Court.

Just my thoughts here.


nhplowboi 09-28-2018 06:41 PM

How dare a Federal Judge speak to U.S. Senators with such back talk and nasty tone! I am sure Judge Kavenaugh would NOT allow that in HIS courtroom. This man (and I use the term loosely) is not Justice material. Thank God Senator Flake is the Brakeman on this runaway train! Oh....and I am thankful for those two women who cornered Flake in that elevator! They brought a reasonable man to his senses.

Martina 09-28-2018 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WheatToast (Post 1226423)
You may be right, but IMO, with the entire staff of the FBI authorized to dig up dirt on Judge Brett Budweiser by acting director Rod Rosenstein, I suspect they will do whatever it takes

Rod Rosenstein is not acting director of anything. He is deputy attorney general. There is a director of the FBI, Christopher Wray. Rod Rosenstein will have nothing to do with this investigation.

tantalizingfemme 09-28-2018 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WheatToast (Post 1226423)
I suspect they will do whatever it takes to squeeze his buddy Mr. Judge into admitting that his book character, Bart O' Kavenaugh, the drunken car puker was modeled on Brett Kavenaugh. Not much of a leap, ey?
Though the Senate GOP are pretending that one week won't make a difference in getting this guy on the SCOTUS bench, they are leaving out the motivation the FBI will have in nailing this loser.

What is the motivation for nailing Kavanaugh? They are fact finders. That is their only job. They gather all facts and present it to Congress and then it is decided to hold a hearing or change their vote.

A hope is they find evidence that Kavanaugh lied during the hearings or in his background check forms, and then criminal investigation can be started. But relying on people who see Ford as a liar and a tool to thwart any effort to get Kavanaugh in, and who do not seem affected at all about anything that has been said about Kavanaugh, to suddenly have a change of heart? The absolute rabid responses that have been seen in response to Kavanaugh being questioned don't give me any trust that minds will be changed. As for Flake? Still don't trust him.

Listen, I would love to see Kavanaugh go down, but as I said earlier, I will believe it only when it happens.

A. Spectre 09-29-2018 07:31 AM

Let us who have lighter hearts and optimism today not rest on our laurels. Even if Mr. Crocodile tears is thrown out of the running (rest assured he will be offered a multi million job from the billionaire class) the next judges in the running (chosen by the Federalist Society, look them up and have nightmares) are equally anti-women, anti immigration, anti climate change, anti environment, anti protection of endangered species, anti lgbt rights, anti poverty......do I need to go on?

The SCOTUS will be 5-4, no matter how you cut it. The glimmer of hope is taking back both chambers and begin impeachment and have multiple investigations on ALL these hypocrites. Get thee cancer out the best we can. Detoothing IQ45 is a real possibility.

Let's let the good guys and gals get this country back on track! Kamala Harris for President 2020.


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