GOT fans: Who Will Kill Cercei Lannister? Predictions?
 

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There's the green-eyes theory that Arya Stark will kill her since Melisandre prophesied she would kill folk with brown, blue and green eyes. With the Night King, she made her blue eyed kill, and I'm sure a number of folks she's killed have had brown eyes. So, that leaves green eyes, which Cercei has. And, of course, Cercei is at the top of Arya's kill list.

I think if Cercei weren't pregnant, it would be Jaime, kind of lovingly putting her down. But since she is pregnant, that makes it less likely. I also think that makes suicide less likely.

Perhaps she won't be killed although that seems so unlikely.

Thoughts, predictions?

Arya
 

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I didn't remember Melisandre's prediction... lol (thanks)....haha
The Long Night was so dark... had trouble seeing what was going on in the battle.

So, the prophecy of Melisandre was:

"I see a darkness in you,” she says. “And in that darkness, eyes starring back at me. Brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes. Eyes you’ll shut forever. We will meet again."

So Arya killed the Night King (blue eyes).

As per brown eyes: "The brown eyes may well refer to somebody who has already been killed, Walder Frey - who was murdered by Arya along with every male member of his house - had brown eyes, as did Meryn Trant."

But then again, it may refer to Jaime.

Now, there is another theory that Arya kills Jaime who has green eyes, and then uses his face to kill Cersei, as per the other prophecy by the Witch Maggy telling Cersei: "And when your tears have drowned you, the Valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you." Valonqar refers to the 'little brother'.

It would be perfect catharsis for Arya (using Jaime's face) to kill Cersei.

Reminds me of Dallas (as in who killed J.R.?)

Ooooooo. Well if it's little brother, then it could be Tyrion. Seems a bit excessive after he killed their father, but there is no love lost there. I can imagine her losing her mind and going after him and him defending himself.

This is interesting, bc i feel like Daenarys is going to die?

So maybe there will be a showdown between Cersei and Daenarys in which Cersie mortally wounds Daenarys but Daenarys still kills her on the way to bleeding out. Kind of like what Lady Mormont did with the giant.

Tyrion & Jaime
 

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Ooooohhhh, you may very well be right re: Tyrion

However, after the night battle, many of the allied soldiers were killed; so, I wondered how could they launch against Cersei, when their own troops were so decimated. Somehow, someone fairly trusted would have to get that close to Cersei and walk into her fortress without being stopped so as to do the dirty deed. Tyrion would have trouble doing that, since Cersei would have him killed on sight as he is so recognizable. But, Jaime wouldn't have any trouble getting into King's Landing. It may be that the allied forces ask Jaime to go back and kill Cersei, and he refuses... Cersei was born the first of the twins. Jaime was born shortly after his twin sister Cersei, while holding her foot. So, Jaime is a younger brother.

Like in Kill Bill, Arya is the only one with a kill list which she whispered to herself each night. I still think that it will be Arya who will be the one who actually avenges her father's death. She is THE ULTIMATE AVENGER. I really do like the theory about her killing Jaime, and then using his face to get to Cersei. It is like Ulysses tricking his way into Troy with the Trojan Horse. There just aren't that many classic myths in that kind of literature.

Apparently there has been some fan opposition to Arya having been the one to kill the Night King, as if she doesn't deserve it. Clearly the same group of emotionally stunted males who hated Catelyn Stark for being mean to Jon Snow. (I didn't love her either, but hate? Get a life.)

Lord. More eyeball horror courtesy of GOT.

That girl rocked though.

I really hope Dany doesn't die, btw. I want to see her and Jon Snow scooched together on the Iron Throne. Second choice is Tyrion although he has no real claim. Gendry does, but I'm not seeing it. Arya would make one scary ass Queen Consort though.

Re the original question, I am thinking Tyrion now, who also dies as a result of the fight with his sister.

I do think we're going to lose Tyrion. I don't think the fans could take losing both Dany AND Tyrion though, so I think she'll survive. And if she survives, she'll rule.

I think Tyrion will survive. In the books, there is a sense that he is the main character, in my reading. I think he will be the one we see walking off into the sunset in the last scene, possibly with wife Sansa. Maybe breaking the fourth wall or speaking in voiceover to provide a final frame around everything that has happened

I would not be surprised if Arya dies. She has made her life about vengeance and there would be no place for that spirit in the peacetime world that should be the end result of all this struggle.

Other survival predictions (since we're here)...

Survives:

• Tyrion
• Sansa
• Jon
• Bronn
• Sam

Dies:

• Dany
• Arya
• Jaime
• Cersei
• Brienne
• Bran
• Davos
• The Hound
• Varys

I could see leaving Dany and Jon alive to get married and leave the door open for another series where they are somehow unable to stop themselves from repeating the patterns of Jaime and Cersei, as that incestuous union seems to be the "original sin" of this story. That would fit the moral ambiguity that is the gimmick of these books.

That's true. She is his Aunt.

Why does Varys have to die? He so deserves a reward. He's been right a number of times when most of the characters get most things wrong. Plus he's worked so hard for a just Kingdom. If we end up with that, he ought to share in the outcome. I love him. I loved that exchange when he asked Tyrion why he makes eunich jokes when he is offended by dwarf jokes. So anachronistic, but so funny.

I just think it would be very on-brand for George R.R. Martin.

The thing that makes the series so addictive is that anybody can die. When they killed Sansa's puppy in episode two they sent the message that nobody is safe no matter how innocent or virtuous. I think only the barest handful of "good" characters will survive.

GRRM will only save minimum amount possible, just enough to still have a semi-catharsis at the end, which catharsis will nevertheless be heavily steeped in irony and martyrdom.

I love this thread! I can't be definitive on my Cersei prediction (mostly because I love the uncertainty of all possibilities) but I think it will be Jaime or The Mountain; I'm not ruling out Sansa though. Cersei's ordered Jaime to be killed if he returns and I don't know why Sansa would leave Winterfell to travel south but there has been much in this series I didn't see coming. What the hell is The Mountain now anyway, a zombie? I don't trust his blind allegiance to Cersei's safety.

I think Varys will live to see the final outcome, but I do think Jon will kill Daenarys when she flips into the justice-driven madness that I think is her fate. Will Jon survive? I can see him dying once he's fulfilled his purpose of being brought back to life by saving the kingdoms from Dany. If this were to happen, who would take the throne? I don't know! Tyrion? I don't see Gendry sitting there. Sansa? No idea how!

After the Battle of Winterfell, I question the GoT philosophy that any big name can die. Cersei must and I believe Daenarys will, but to wipe out the majority of the cast with just 3 episodes to go would be overwhelming unimaginable to me. That being said, I've read that there's an episode still to come that's even bigger than the one we just saw. I love this show!!

I heard that George RR Martin's wife threatened to divorce him if Arya dies.

There's got to be another throwdown between The Mountain and The Hound. Just has to be.

Good point. I expected more deaths from Battle of Winterfell, and i expected at least one of the "big eight" (Dany, Jon/Sansa/Arya/Bran, Jaime/Tyrion/Cersei) to die. They did not and this was off-brand IMO

Dany gotta live long enough to birth Jon's baby

Ohhhh, I hope I hope I hope you are wrong. I adore Arya. She's my favorite character and the one I feel has made the most growth throughout the series.


If that's true, I like that woman.

I have read all 5 of the A Song of Ice and Fire books that Martin has published so far and none of these plot twists sound even remotely familiar to me. Are they based on the next two books that are supposed to come out (which of course have been delayed by many years) or just stuff the tv producers are making up? I haven't seen the TV series at all but I'm just curious how much it is veering away from the books. Sorry if this is a derail to the thread. I'm just curious.

They used up all of the material in the novels at least two seasons ago. Since then they have been making stuff up, under the supervision and with the guidance of GRRM.

Theoretically the two upcoming books will follow the series instead of vice-versa. Although i think GRRM has reserved the right to diverge if he wants.

I hope Martin doesn't let a TV show dictate his books, lol! But thanks for the info Dark Crystal. I wish Martin wasn't so slow but I did like the first few books a lot better than the later ones.

Yeah, I'm disappointed in Jaime. And in Jon and Sansa and Varys and Bronn. Jon and Sansa both broke their words. And how stupid is Jon?

Also sorta sad to see Arya turn away from happiness in the expectation of dying. I did like the scene with her and the Hound.

Fucking hated to see one of the dragons go.

Sad episode.

Wow. Well, I guess the question now is who will kill Daenerys.

Goodbye, Jaime, Varys, The Hound.

I thought the episode was really well done.

There's only one more episode. They've got a lot to do. One cast member said last night's episode was the high point of the season. It was amazing in terms of its depiction of warfare. You could substitute bombs for dragonfire and imagine the horrors of Dresden or Beirut or Sarajevo. I am not sure I've ever seen anything like that on film.

Just re characters, the scene between Tyrion and Jaime was so touching. Loved it. The Clegane Bowl didn't disappoint.

I know people are upset about the boring end to Cercei. I didn't care when the time came. They had to go some way.

People are also upset about Danaerys' Mad Queen transition being so fast. Some folks feel turning her character at all was anti-feminist. But she represents the satrap kind of ruler. I didn't find it surprising that that was her default.

So, now who will kill her? It's setting us up to believe Arya. The white horse seemed kinda mystical.

If we are left with Jon or Sansa on the throne or some federation of houses not ruled by a king, I will be sad that Varys will not be there to see it.

I kinda agree with Danaerys that Tyrion needs to start questioning his judgement. Of course, he won't be her Hand. I assume he'll be on the run North to Sansa and whoever else will oppose Danaerys. Wonder if he and Sansa will end up together? I kind of doubt it.

I wonder if there is any more coming from Bran. If not, ????

Bye, Jaime. *Sniffle*

Poor Jon. Greek Tragedy kind of spot he's in.

Rambling speculation
 

i think Jaime came to king's landing to do exactly what he did-- comfort Cersei as she/they died. He knew he didn't have to kill her-- that someone was going to have to and all he had to do was let it happen. But, he did not like to think of her dying alone.

That was his sister and the mother of his children, who are all dead. His best friend from birth. He knew she was evil and she had to go but he could not stand her going through that alone.

Also, i think he knew he himself belonged to the past era, and should die when it did. He was the reason Robert became king, and Cersei's death represented the end of that reign, and he felt that dying alongside Cersei would be appropriate.

My prediction for next week is that the third dragon dies, and possibly Dany, and possibly Jon. Dany seems tainted, but we may be told that this is the dragon's fault. Maybe we'll find out that the dragons made the Targaryens crazy. Maybe the writers will set it up that by killing the dragon, Dany could be redeemed.

I don't think Jon will take the throne bc that would be boring and he is boring.

I think Tyrion could end up in charge, as i have said, bc i see him as the main character, and he has been the most consistently ethical and compassionate.

And isn't he kind of technically the King now? Him or Gendry are technically the king until Westeros formally surrenders to Dany, which isn't going to happen. If Gendry dies, the Lannisters are still the ruling family. If Tyrion takes up the Lannister banner against Dany, he represents a cleansed house which maybe deserves to rule?

OR Gendry, Jon, Tyrion, and Dany all die and Sansa takes the throne as a Lannister, by virtue of her marriage to Tyrion. That would be super ironic in a very appropriate way.

If i were writing i would bring the Night King back OR have the Lord of Light show up.

Because, like, shouldn't everyone be converting to Melisandre and Beric Dondarrion's religion? R'hllor, also known as the Lord of Light, the Heart of Fire, the God of Flame and Shadow, has done a LOT-- resurrecting Jon and Dondarrion, killing Renly, killing Shireen, resurrecting Catelyn.

He is the only deity besides Bran & co. that is manifesting real miracles where everyone sees them. He was fighting the Night King from way back. Sure, the Shireen thing was bad, but that was Melisandre failing to understand she was looking for Jon.

Should there be a showdown between R'hllor, the Night King, and the three-eyed raven? Catelyn is still out there, with Nymeria. Both of them need to show up next week, too.

There's a metaphysical storyline that needs to be wrapped up. This has to be about more than who sits a throne. There is a forces of evil vs forces of good situation and we don't know which one R'hllor is. A lot of what has happened is R'hllor's doing.

So maybe someone has to confront R'hllor. Obviously Bran, and who is R'hllor's remaining representative? His mom!!

What a mess
 

Well, looks like none of the main predictions of witches et al and other theories came true... who knew?

Quite the epic end to Cersei and Jaime, the Hound, and Varys, and King's Landing. (Shame about Varys, considering he was the only one who knew what Danaerys was really like.) Never liked Jaime - not since he pushed the kid out of the tower.

Danaerys destroys all. None of the remaining heroes will be happy about that - quite the wake-up shock for all of them. But, they all hitched their dreams on Danaerys' leadership; of course, sacrificing integrity for power. Gee, it's just like the real world (lol). Oh, well. Am quite speechless. At least, Arya survived. She was always my favourite, and there she goes - riding off into the ... on the white horse.

The only good reason to have Catelyn Stark back is to kill her again. Maybe Jon will though, poor guy, he has enough kin complications.

I'm trying to think if I care who's on the throne. I'm not sure I do as long as it's not Dany.

Sansa has been presented as a strong administrator who sees through treachery and faces the truth. I think the fact that she never fell for Dany's line makes her the front runner. Sansa is a rock compared to Jon and Tyrion.

I hope all that mystical shit doesn't happen cause I don't care about it. What makes a good ruler interests me. The Lord of Light . . . Yawn.

I was reminded yesterday that Catelyn Stark was not resurrected in the TV version? (The question mark is bc i have not confirmed this)

Yeah, she's kind of a classic portrayal of a mother you love to hate. And that's on GRRM. He created some amazing female characters, but there is sexism there as well. That said, I really disliked Catelyn. Not as much as internet boys, but she is good as the over intense joyless but ineffective mother. So long suffering and grit your teeth angry. And of course she fucks up. The mother who fails to protect. She was designed to be hated. Hard not to even when you realize that.

Dany could survive tomorrow night by announcing her pregnancy