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Spirit Dancer 02-18-2010 12:19 PM

Small Plane Crashes in Austin Tx
 
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/tex...ex.html?hpt=T1







NEW: Witness says she saw people hanging from windows, crying for help
NEW: "Criminal or terrorist activity" not indicated, Homeland Security spokesman says
A small plane crashed into a building in the Texas capital, an FAA official says
Firefighters, equipped with a ladder truck, are presently trying to fight the blaze
(CNN) -- The latest news as it comes in to CNN from the scene of the crash of a small plane in Austin, Texas. (All times are ET, one hour ahead of local Austin time.)

12:49 p.m.: The Internal Revenue Service in Dallas, Texas, told CNN that the building is a federal IRS outsourced building. It said 199 of its employees work there. The IRS said it thinks all employees are accounted for, but they are checking.

12:42 p.m.: The pilot of the plane had set his house on fire beforehand, stole the plane and crashed it intentionally, a federal official told CNN.

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12:40 p.m.: Federal officials said two F-16 fighter jets were launched as a precaution after the crash, though terrorist intent was not indicated.

The FAA reported that the plane that crashed was a Cirrus SR 22 similar to this one.12:32 p.m.: Preliminary information indicates that the plane was a Cirrus SR 22, the FAA said. A Cirrus SR22 is a single-engine four-seat aircraft.

12:32 p.m.: The FAA said the plane departed Georgetown Municipal Airport, north of Austin, about 9:40 a.m., and that the pilot did not file a flight plan.

12:18 p.m.: Witnesses described an infernal scene that shook nearby buildings and sent fire and smoke bellowing into the sky. "I just saw smoke and flames," said CNN iReporter Mike Ernest. "I could not believe what I was seeing. It was just smoke and flames everywhere."


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12:11 p.m.: Harry Evans of the Austin Fire Department said firefighters found "heavy fire destruction in and around the second floor ... lots of heat, lots of smoke, lots of fire."

12:05 p.m.: Two people were transported from the crash site to University Medical Center Brackenridge, said hospital spokeswoman Matilda Sanchez. She could not provide additional information. University Medical Center Brackenridge is the only Level 1 trauma center for adults in Austin.

12:03 p.m.: Cynthia Reed, who works in the building next to the one hit, told CNN she saw people who apparently were trapped. "They were hanging out the windows, screaming for help," she said.

12:02 p.m.: "At this time we have no reason to believe there is a nexus to criminal or terrorist activity," said Matt Chandler, spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security. "We are in the process of coordinating with state officials and other federal partners to gather more information and at this time we will defer additional questions to local officials and the FAA."

11:44 a.m.: Firefighters used two ladder trucks and other equipment to hose down the blaze at the building, which police said was located in the 9400 block of Research Boulevard. Traffic on Southbound U.S. 183, which is adjacent to the crash site, started to snarl as black smoke poured out of the seven-story building.

11:36 a.m.: A small airplane crashed into a building in Austin, Texas, Thursday morning, according to Lynn Lundsford of the Federal Aviation Administration.

Andrew, Jr. 02-18-2010 12:25 PM

I just saw this on the news. Oh how sad that person, the pilot must have felt, to do this. My hat is off to the firefighters for putting out the fire, and the hot spots.

Diva 02-18-2010 12:53 PM

I'm watching the news right now.....

Fire is still going on.
The guy they think did this had a beef with the IRS (and they are housed in this building; and have approx 199 employees).
Also, earlier today, neighbors rescued this guy's wife and daughter from their burning house.

Last night, Mr. Steck evidently went balistic because he was having severe IRS issues, and Mrs. Steck took the daughter to a hotel, came back this morning and then the house caught fire.

Mr. Steck is the registered owner of the plane which crashed into the bldg, according to the FAA.

The IRS offices in question are the ones someone might visit when one is trying to work out tax problems with the IRS.

Plane was ~ according to witnesses ~ going full throttle when it hit the bldg. with about 92 gallons of fuel on board, hence the fireball.

There are 2 in the bldg taken to hospitals and 1 unaccounted for, which is a wonderment to me that there aren't MORE as it was at the beginning of the work day when the building would have been heavily occupied.

That's all I have for now.....


Diva 02-18-2010 01:12 PM

Evidently, there is a huge rant (manifesto~6 pages long) on Facebook about tax code, his (Joe Stack) treatment by attorneys and CPAs. It's rambling, the reporter is saying.

www.kxan.com

They have it on their website. This is our NBC Austin affiliate.

Wow.....it was signed: Joe Stack (1956-2010) 02/18/2010

That was eerie.


Diva 02-18-2010 01:23 PM

There is video from Kain Shinn on Facebook.....don't know if it's on the KXAN.com site.....

Diva 02-18-2010 01:24 PM

I should be a reporter....I love this chit. <smiling>

Spirit Dancer 02-18-2010 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diva (Post 52436)
I should be a reporter....I love this chit. <smiling>

Divalicious reporting live from Austin:happyjump:

Daywalker 02-18-2010 01:26 PM

I think his website with the letter is on this page too:


www.embeddedart.com


:|

:daywalker:

WolfyOne 02-18-2010 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daywalker (Post 52440)
I think his website with the letter is on this page too:


www.embeddedart.com


:|

:daywalker:


I was to late Day. They took the site offline because the FBI said so.

Diva 02-18-2010 01:52 PM

Yeah....just reported here that the FBI has taken it down, and instructed the TV station to take it down, as well.

Diavolo 02-18-2010 01:56 PM

I feel terrible for all the families who were affected by this guy's actions.

Not to veer this off course, but why when a white guy does it it's a crime but if he had been of a different ethnicity they would be calling it terrorism? It's terrorism, plain and simple. Home grown domestic terrorism. I call bullshit.

Daywalker 02-18-2010 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfyOne (Post 52463)
I was to late Day. They took the site offline because the FBI said so.


Well, I still had the tab open, and copy n pasted it into a document.
:glasses:
Anyone care to have it placed in here?
:|

:daywalker:

Canela 02-18-2010 02:44 PM

I agree, that is entirely a terroristic act...and all because he had problems with his taxes? Please.

My hunny was so worried...hys sister works with the IRS and thankfully, it was another site where her office is, not this particular one.

I am saddened to know that an american man would do such a thing...we have been conditioned to expect that from others not homegrown in the US, but this is almost as heinous as that Nichols guy in Oklahoma. Thankfully, there weren't as many casualities although even one is too many.

I too, missed the page (site) but I am watching the TXCN news in Austin while I work...

dreadgeek 02-18-2010 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daywalker (Post 52476)
Well, I still had the tab open, and copy n pasted it into a document.
:glasses:
Anyone care to have it placed in here?
:|

:daywalker:

It would be interesting to see.

Aj

Canela 02-18-2010 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daywalker (Post 52476)
Well, I still had the tab open, and copy n pasted it into a document.
:glasses:
Anyone care to have it placed in here?
:|

:daywalker:

I would like to see it, yes.

Linus 02-18-2010 02:49 PM

Uh.. guys... I wouldn't recommend posting it here. I don't think Jack and Medusa want the FBI visiting the site. I only suggest this as a caution.

Daywalker 02-18-2010 02:52 PM

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****Edited by Admin****

Sorry folks, removed for legal reasons.

Thanks.

Daywalker 02-18-2010 02:53 PM

[FONT=Arial][COLOR=Black][B]Part Two:


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****Edited by Admin****

Sorry folks, removed for legal reasons.

Thanks.

I'mOneToo 02-18-2010 02:58 PM

*closes eyes tightly*

Diva 02-18-2010 03:08 PM

Clearly this was not a terroist activity......not because of the ethnic ID of the pilot, but because he was clearly not stable.

No matter what...it's still 'bullshit'.....

I'mOneToo 02-18-2010 03:22 PM

I keep writing this and then deleting it. But I gotta say, after all...

I think the ethnicity of the perpetrator is not an issue.

Tim McVeigh was an American, and a terrorist.

I think I have been trained (by American media especially) to think of terrorism as being acts perpetrated by 'foreigners'.

Websters defines terrorism as:

"the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes."

This probably qualifies. And it is, bullshit. He could have written his letters and website and crawled in a hole and blown himself up with a grenade. But he chose to take as many as possible with him.

p.s. not picking on anyone's thoughts of the ethnicity of 'usual' terrorists.

dreadgeek 02-18-2010 03:51 PM

At present the full text is available at Huffington Post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0...39.html?page=2

I would argue that had this man been brown skinned and named Hassan, holding every other variable constant including his suicide note, this would be played in the media as a terrorist attack (even though, strictly speaking, it is not in that although he had political grievances, his act was not meant to influence the political process).

Cheers
Aj

Rufusboi 02-18-2010 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diva (Post 52421)
Evidently, there is a huge rant (manifesto~6 pages long) on Facebook about tax code, his (Joe Stack) treatment by attorneys and CPAs. It's rambling, the reporter is saying.

www.kxan.com

They have it on their website. This is our NBC Austin affiliate.

Wow.....it was signed: Joe Stack (1956-2010) 02/18/2010

That was eerie.




Why can't people get it though their heads....pay your taxes. You cannot out run or out smart the IRS. That's why we have the saying...death and taxes! It just annoys me that people bring this on themselves and then blame everyone else and victimize innocent people. Its just another person who can't take responsibility for their own choices.

Rufus

Greyson 02-18-2010 04:00 PM

I have mixed feelings regarding the concerns of posting the manifesto of Richard Andrew Stack. I suspect there is a file on many of us here somewhere in the Belly of the Beast, aka Government.

Are you are a person that may have participated in "radical social change" in the past 30 years or so? I bet your name can be found somewhere and you are held suspect. Did you ever attend a peaceful meeting about anything do with the human rights of being LGBTQI?

I am not an anarchist but I do not delude myself in believing if we play by the rules the FBI or any other government entity will not view me or others like me with a modicum of distrust and suspicion. Why? Because we dare to live differently and not hang our heads in shame about it.

I do not condone what this guy did. It is flat out wrong to take the lives of other living beings. However, I am bemused that the FBI is removing Stack's rant from public review.

Rufusboi 02-18-2010 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by June (Post 52549)
I concur. But I'm waiting for the Admins to chime in on this. If the FBI took it down and then made the TV Station take it down. I'm not comfortable drawing the wrong kind of attention to this site. I think if you want to post it on your own blog, then you make your own personal decision to expose yourself to whatever. </end Mod Thoughts>

Tim McVeigh = Terrorist. </end June's opinion>



I hear what you are saying, June. But my first thought was that it is a shame we are afraid of out own government.

Rufus

Linus 02-18-2010 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyson (Post 52559)


I do not condone what this guy did. It is flat out wrong to take the lives of other living beings. However, I am bemused that the FBI is removing Stack's rant from public review.


Actually, that's normal. It's considered evidence in an ongoing investigation. Until the investigation is closed and everything verified, they will likely clamp down on publication of stuff (it also is for protection of his family as well).

Linus 02-18-2010 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufusboi (Post 52561)
I hear what you are saying, June. But my first thought was that it is a shame we are afraid of out own government.

Rufus

If the gov't came to you with a warrant and said that you had to remove it, is it being afraid or being respectful of the law? I suspect that NBC got that (and I wouldn't be surprised if Huff gets it too).

Greyson 02-18-2010 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linus (Post 52563)
Actually, that's normal. It's considered evidence in an ongoing investigation. Until the investigation is closed and everything verified, they will likely clamp down on publication of stuff (it also is for protection of his family as well).

Linus, yes, it is considered to be "normal" procedure but I do not believe that every action an entity of authority takes is necessary. Please do not take my post as a offense about you or your analysis. I have a great deal of respect for your ability.

Linus 02-18-2010 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyson (Post 52571)
Linus, yes, it is considered to be "normal" procedure but I do not believe that every action an entity of authority takes is necessary. Please do not take my post as a offense about you or your analysis. I have a great deal of respect for your ability.

Oh no. I wouldn't take offense to a valid opinion or point of view. It is valid. When one looks at it, he's dead. It's not like they can prosecute him and there's nothing -- really -- in the note that might potentially do something bad or harm.

:)

Diva 02-18-2010 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufusboi (Post 52557)
Why can't people get it though their heads....pay your taxes. You cannot out run or out smart the IRS. That's why we have the saying...death and taxes! It just annoys me that people bring this on themselves and then blame everyone else and victimize innocent people. Its just another person who can't take responsibility for their own choices.

Rufus



Indeed. And the sad thing is, his wife and daughter are left to deal with this mess he has created.

Diva 02-18-2010 04:33 PM

There was a brief statement made by our [not so] illustrious governor.....and maybe I didn't hear correctly, but it ALmost sounded as though he WANTED it to be a terrorist......he was making statements that blew things out of proportion SO much, I wanted to scream "Go listen to your news, man!".



:|

Linus 02-18-2010 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diva (Post 52585)
There was a brief statement made by our [not so] illustrious governor.....and maybe I didn't hear correctly, but it ALmost sounded as though he WANTED it to be a terrorist......he was making statements that blew things out of proportion SO much, I wanted to scream "Go listen to your news, man!".



:|

It's interesting because I didn't want it to be one.

I think, however, your Governor wants a reason to point fingers and be able to enforce that "I told you so.."

Diva 02-18-2010 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linus (Post 52590)
It's interesting because I didn't want it to be one.

I think, however, your Governor wants a reason to point fingers and be able to enforce that "I told you so.."



Exactly. .............

Canela 02-18-2010 04:46 PM

The entire thing is a tragedy.
Innocent lives have been lost.
I am saddened by all this.

SuperFemme 02-18-2010 04:50 PM

It is my understanding that he burned down his own home before heading to the airport. Probably had a tax lien on it. What a tragedy.

Diva 02-18-2010 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFemme (Post 52603)
It is my understanding that he burned down his own home before heading to the airport. Probably had a tax lien on it. What a tragedy.



This is true..

~Bo 02-18-2010 06:03 PM

I think he was the only one killed. No one else has died but the fucktard. Yay!

AtLast 02-18-2010 06:16 PM

OK, someone please tell me that none of our Austin members were hurt in this? Actually, I don't want anyone hurt, but, Bo's fucktard statement makes a lot of sense to me.... so tired of these kinds of stories.

AtLast 02-18-2010 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyson (Post 52559)
I have mixed feelings regarding the concerns of posting the manifesto of Richard Andrew Stack. I suspect there is a file on many of us here somewhere in the Belly of the Beast, aka Government.

Are you are a person that may have participated in "radical social change" in the past 30 years or so? I bet your name can be found somewhere and you are held suspect. Did you ever attend a peaceful meeting about anything do with the human rights of being LGBTQI?

I am not an anarchist but I do not delude myself in believing if we play by the rules the FBI or any other government entity will not view me or others like me with a modicum of distrust and suspicion. Why? Because we dare to live differently and not hang our heads in shame about it.

I do not condone what this guy did. It is flat out wrong to take the lives of other living beings. However, I am bemused that the FBI is removing Stack's rant from public review.

Reminds me of knowing I have more than one FBI file.... The third was started due to my seeing a woman divorcing a man that was being considered for a Special Agent post! I wondered who the hell those people lurking around were..... The second was after being arrested in an anti-Vietnam War protest. The first was for attendance at a Chavez rally. LOL.. what is really funny is that I got to read the files because of my partner's husband getting that FBI job!!!


Yup, one can end up having a file in quite a few instances. No, I don't condone this man's actions at all.


Remember Tricky Dicky? :nixon:


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