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Merlin 05-08-2011 04:40 PM

"straight" women and Butches.
 
What is the fascination ?

T-Rex 05-08-2011 04:44 PM

Hi, Merlin -- Welcome to the Planet!

I maintain that if a straight woman gets with a Queer ID'd person, they aren't straight anymore. There has to be mutual desire for that to even happen.

:)

Merlin 05-08-2011 04:45 PM

Is it easier for them to go for a butch,because visually they can maybe have the best of both worlds ?

Male looks,female anatomy ?

T-Rex 05-08-2011 04:53 PM

I am more immediately sexually attracted to masculine folks, however, over the years, I have developed a greater appreciation for feminine people as well.

Desire is Desire. I have seen it go all ways, feminine women who desire other feminine women, masculine folks attracted to other masculine folks. Lots of different combinations are possible.

I think it is too simple to say "So they can have it both ways". There has to be something there to desire. How they dress, act, communicate, personality.

I remember the first time I saw a masculine woman back when I was about 18, I didn't know what she was, but I knew I was attracted to her, and I was dating men at the time.

Soon 05-08-2011 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 335275)
Is it easier for them to go for a butch,because visually they can maybe have the best of both worlds ?

Male looks,female anatomy ?

For me: Female masculinity is hot.

It's not about the *best of both worlds*--it is about being aware of one's desires--and that goes both ways for butches as well as the femmes...and all people, no?

Merlin 05-08-2011 04:58 PM

June (loving the name) I know love takes all shapes and forms,what I wonder is for a straight or supposedly straight woman is a butch a way to explore their sexuality with someone who visually looks male so as not to give the game away ..

T-Rex 05-08-2011 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 335285)
June (loving the name) I know love takes all shapes and forms,what I wonder is for a straight or supposedly straight woman is a butch a way to explore their sexuality with someone who visually looks male so as not to give the game away ..

I don't know. Go ask a straight woman. ;)

Merlin 05-08-2011 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by June (Post 335287)
I don't know. Go ask a straight woman. ;)

Am seeing one .. Although I think I have blurred her straight lines out :sunglass:

Soon 05-08-2011 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 335285)
June (loving the name) I know love takes all shapes and forms,what I wonder is for a straight or supposedly straight woman is a butch a way to explore their sexuality with someone who visually looks male so as not to give the game away ..

I don't know about that....giving "the game away"?....When I dated butches, it was quite obvious we were both women regardless of how they identified.

If anything, we were more noticeable and immediately considered lesbian/queer by the general public.

Merlin 05-08-2011 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow (Post 335289)
I don't know about that....giving "the game away"?....When I dated butches, it was quite obvious we were both women regardless of how they identified.

If anything, we were more noticeable and immediately considered lesbian/queer by the general public.


What about if she passes and is perceived to be male ?

T-Rex 05-08-2011 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 335288)
Am seeing one .. Although I think I have blurred her straight lines out :sunglass:

And what does she say about her desire for you? See my first post in this thread.

Soon 05-08-2011 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 335290)
What about if she passes and is perceived to be male ?

never happened

Merlin 05-08-2011 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow (Post 335295)
never happened

Is that because you date Butches who don't pass ?

Soon 05-08-2011 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow (Post 335289)
I don't know about that....giving "the game away"?....When I dated butches, it was quite obvious we were both women regardless of how they identified.

If anything, we were more noticeable and immediately considered lesbian/queer by the general public.

Addendum: I should have written, it was obvious we were both "female born" as some did not ID as women.

Thinker 05-08-2011 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 335270)
What is the fascination ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by June (Post 335287)
I don't know. Go ask a straight woman. ;)

I'm with June......except I'd say you would have to ask each individual straight woman what her specific interest and/or fascination and/or attraction is.

There's no possible way for anyone here (or anywhere) to provide a definitive answer to that question. Anything anyone offers is purely and merely speculation.

*shrug*

The_Lady_Snow 05-08-2011 05:09 PM

It could be "straight" is The only label she knows to identify with, sexual curiosity could be what she is free to do. Heteronorm is what is continually shoved in our faces vía media, religion, culturally. Then again I'm one to believe we're all sexually fluid until sexual standards are fed to us.

Quintease 05-08-2011 05:13 PM

I realise this is a bit off topic, but I've seen women go completely gaga over my bf when they find out he's trans ? What is it that they are looking for I wonder, how do they imagine he'd be different to any other guy?

I've never been butch but I have attracted a fair amount of straight women in my youth, so I'm not so weirded out by the straight girl/butch thing. I figure it's the woman-thing that attracts them, rather than any particular ID, just like some women like feminine men and some like masculine, so what you like tends to cross genders. I don't think it's necessarily a 'queer' attraction however, as straight doesn't mean narrow. If they were all porn would be the same, all kink would be the same and they'd all wear the same kind of underwear ... oh wait!

Quintease 05-08-2011 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 335290)
What about if she passes and is perceived to be male ?

Actually I did know one lesbian who frequently passed and so pulled many a very surprised and intrigued straight woman.

Merlin 05-08-2011 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Quintease (Post 335304)
Actually I did know one lesbian who frequently passed and so pulled many a very surprised and intrigued straight woman.


Me I am an honourable butch,I couldn't take advantage of an unknowing straight woman.

All my ex's have previously been straight and knew the score with me, I guess an unscrupulous butch could take advantage of a straight woman's vulnerabilities ??

T-Rex 05-08-2011 05:20 PM

I have said this before, but I think it bears repeating! I really appreciate the influx of different ideas about desire and gender that we get from folks across the pond on this (mostly) US centric site.

I hope people will take into consideration where other folks are coming from (geographically) before getting worked up about different usages of language than what we have gotten used to.

Things do seem to be more fluid, and I find it refreshing. I belong to a primarily UK group on FB and it has really opened my eyes a lot in good ways.


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