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Originally Posted by chefhottie25

I agree with what you say about not regarding yourself as a woman or a man. I identify as a boi. I am called hy and hym. However, I have no desire to transition...because I am not a man. I also don't identify as a butch of any sort. I feel uncomfortable posting in butch threads. I am not really sure what all this means in terms of my identity and gender. Whatever the confusion...it works for me. I am comfortable and happy being a boi.

I am finding more and more that younger people take this stance and actually are breaking down the binary in a whole new way. Every generation makes its distinctive mark. This is a good thing.

I don't think you are the only one that feels the discomfort in butch threads. Sometimes I think we need some branching out with our topic area zones. maybe we need a BOI ZONE? Are there other identifications like this that may not (I am only talking from my own feelings, have no idea about everyone else) be represented well within the identification zones we have?

Just a random thought as I do see a younger generation coming up that really does seem far less caught up with butch, femme, trans, intergendered.

Originally Posted by Liam

Could the distinction between the two, be that one identifies as a lesbian, and the other does not?

It is for me, but I have to think about those that use dyke instead. If there is anything I have learned about all of this from joining online B-F communities is that one identification just doesn't fit all. Thinking about Dapper's internalization and identification. And there are so many that really have combinations. I do view my sexuality as lesbian and am a masculine female attracted to femmes (although, a wide spectrum within femme identity- femme is really not a look to me- far deeper). Butch does fit for me in many ways, yet, is not my entire make-up. It actually is a small part of the person I am. The lesbian aspect is larger, but both are not defining for me overall.

Geez, then there is all the unfortunate negative stuff many have gone through from the old guard separatist lesbians that I have learned about from so many here that have been part of the B-F dynamic much longer. So, for some, identifying as lesbian is not what they want to do.